Kobe's so underrated...

[stalkerforlife]

The NBA and Stern hated him.

Conspired against him.

Didn't want an accused rapist as the face of the league

Stopped trades.

Allowed him to be played physically even when they outlawed defense for everyone else.

Hacked nearly every possession.

Backed fake good guys in an attempt to make him disappear.

Defense outlawed against Wade and then Bran. (Two fakes that are actually pieces of shit)

Word from top instructed to let Bran travel, stiff arm, and shoulder spear.

Conspired to give Bran and others super teams to overcome their losing play.

Dumbed down the league for stupid box score fans.

Tried to make Kobe look selfish when he's a top 5 play maker of all time. (Real play making means less assists 99% of the time)

Kobe, MJ, Kareem, and Hakeem are the greatest post players of all time, which is where real elite play making derives from. (Curry only exception and of course less assists)

Kobe was so great that he still ended up top 3 all time.

[RRR3]

Delusional.

[Vino24]

Kobe scored 81pts in a game I have him over MJ

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kobe is "underrated" because of box-score fanatics. They're the majority now...and only use numbers.

Before Lebron? Fans would use stats to back their arguments. Not denying that. Now its oversaturated with "x/y/z >>> z/y/z". No point in debating if people confuse basketball with baseball.

Kobe had both STATS and the eye test. The latter was GOAT tier though.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe is "underrated" because of box-score fanatics. They're the majority now...and only use numbers.

Before Lebron? Fans would use stats to back their arguments. Not denying that. Now its oversaturated with "x/y/z >>> z/y/z". No point in debating if people confuse basketball with baseball.

Kobe had both STATS and the eye test. The latter was GOAT tier though.

MJ and Kobe are the two GOATS based on eye test.

Unmatched complete skill sets.

Had to overcome not being the most gifted in terms of size.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe scored 81pts in a game I have him over MJ

Bransvestites are now trying to get on our good side.

But being sneaky won't work.

Just like sneaky box scores won't work.

We have an elite understanding of basketball.

[HoopologyPhD]

:cletus:

[Vino24]

Bransvestites are now trying to get on our good side.

But being sneaky won't work.

Just like sneaky box scores won't work.

We have an elite understanding of basketball.
Kobe took what MJ did and perfected it

[superduper]

He's underrated because people fear him.

This has been confirmed first hand by NBA players countless times, most recently by Al Horford.

[G0ATbe]

Nah we've just seen too many come since him that are clearly better or at least on par. And then lebron just completely overshadowed him and thats why kobe stans target him particularly

[sdot_thadon]

Kobe is "underrated" because of box-score fanatics. They're the majority now...and only use numbers.

Before Lebron? Fans would use stats to back their arguments. Not denying that. Now its oversaturated with "x/y/z >>> z/y/z". No point in debating if people confuse basketball with baseball.

Kobe had both STATS and the eye test. The latter was GOAT tier though.
I sorta disagree here. I agree in the sense that yes the rise of analytics hurt bean's standing a ton. Why? Because he was the only ATG level player these metrics just didn't agree with. If there were several other greats that bear out similar less than expected advanced stat totals then it would make a bunch of sense. He's sorta on an island in that respect unfortunately.

And long before lebron had a single Mvp let alone a chip, Mj stans bludgeoned Kobe stans with stats. Why? Because when it came to the eye test Kobe looked worthy, even more worthy than Mj to some. So the easiest way to combat that truth was the fact that Kobe was statistically inferior to Mj in almost every regard. Mj stans were the flag bearers of statistical arguments. And i say this not just from an observation standpoint but also as an active participant in those debates.

[FKAri]

How can a man who dedicated his life to the noble pursuit of pushing a sphere through a ring be underrated?

[PickernRoller]

The NBA and Stern hated him.

Conspired against him.

Didn't want an accused rapist as the face of the league

Stopped trades.

Allowed him to be played physically even when they outlawed defense for everyone else.

Hacked nearly every possession.

Backed fake good guys in an attempt to make him disappear.

Defense outlawed against Wade and then Bran. (Two fakes that are actually pieces of shit)

Word from top instructed to let Bran travel, stiff arm, and shoulder spear.

Conspired to give Bran and others super teams to overcome their losing play.

Dumbed down the league for stupid box score fans.

Tried to make Kobe look selfish when he's a top 5 play maker of all time. (Real play making means less assists 99% of the time)

Kobe, MJ, Kareem, and Hakeem are the greatest post players of all time, which is where real elite play making derives from. (Curry only exception and of course less assists)

Kobe was so great that he still ended up top 3 all time.

So much truth.... STOP IT!!!

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[Mr Feeny]

He's the single most overrated athlete in any sport, by a distance. The Lebron comparisons make me laugh.

[NBAGOAT]

Kobe

[stalkerforlife]

So much truth.... STOP IT!!!

https://i.gifer.com/2LaA.gif

:rockon:

[SpaceJam]

Gifted 3 rings dude to the dominance of Shaq
Gifted a Finals MVP over Pau
Gifted honorary all-star appearances from the fans
Gifted his single MVP, when it should have gone to CP3
Gifted All Defense selections off name alone

I'm really trying to figure out how the NBA/Stern/Media hated and were against him?

[ILLsmak]

He's the single most overrated athlete in any sport, by a distance. The Lebron comparisons make me laugh.

Kobe is underrated as as scorer. He's rated about right near the bottom half of top ten or if u hatn alil outside.

Kobe had great bball iq. He got it. He had a lot of skills, but he had some ego disorder. I didn't get to see wilt but I don't think wilt was a hi iq bball player. I think wilt thought his stats were the best way to win. Kobe knows the best way to win and often, in his prime, would do wild shit that there was no reason to do.

But he gets a lot of hate. He didn't have bad stats at all. His percentages weren't as good as some others. Peak wade was a hell of a bball player but he Def wasn't the scoring monster kobe was. Kobe is on the short list of greatest scorers ever. But he purposely made bad decisions. He was a headcase let's be real. But he was still damn good.

-Smak

[AussieSteve]

Gifted 3 rings dude to the dominance of Shaq
Gifted a Finals MVP over Pau
Gifted honorary all-star appearances from the fans
Gifted his single MVP, when it should have gone to CP3
Gifted All Defense selections off name alone

I'm really trying to figure out how the NBA/Stern/Media hated and were against him?

There's not much that you could argue with here.

If Kobe was dealt the same cards a nd given the same treatment as most ATGs, he'd likely have 2 rings, 1 FMVP and 0 MVPs.

[NASH = BEST]

I feel like Kobe was somewhat under appreciated by the league in his prime and his career is somewhat underrated now. But I don

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=NASH = BEST]I feel like Kobe was somewhat under appreciated by the league in his prime and his career is somewhat underrated now. But I don

[plowking]

Kobe is "underrated" because of box-score fanatics. They're the majority now...and only use numbers.

Before Lebron? Fans would use stats to back their arguments. Not denying that. Now its oversaturated with "x/y/z >>> z/y/z". No point in debating if people confuse basketball with baseball.

Kobe had both STATS and the eye test. The latter was GOAT tier though.

Exactly why people think Westbrook and Harden are better than Kobe...

Oh wait.

He just isn't as good as he is made out to be. Your skewed view of basketball due to your personal biases doesn't change that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Exactly why people think Westbrook and Harden are better than Kobe...

Oh wait.

Except, there are people who think Harden is better than Kobe.

You couldn't pick a worse example.


He just isn't as good as he is made out to be. Your skewed view of basketball due to your personal biases doesn't change that.

Skewed view of basketball? I said that box-score types underrate Kobe. You can keep denying it, but take it up with reality.

[MaxPlayer]

Of course stans of the guy who missed the most shots ever would say that stats don

[Kiddlovesnets]

Kobe is not underrated, he

[superduper]

Kobe haters are some of the most cringe haters out there especially Feeny

[SouBeachTalents]

Except, there are people who think Harden is better than Kobe.

You couldn't pick a worse example.
Only trolls think that bruh :oldlol: But peak for peak players like Wade, Curry, Durant & Kawhi being on the same level as him? That has legitimacy

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Only trolls think that bruh :oldlol: But peak for peak players like Wade, Curry, Durant & Kawhi being on the same level as him? That has legitimacy

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1793824&start=140

Check that discussion out.

There's a number of "REAL" posters who have Harden > Kobe.

They're outta their fukking minds. But that's what they think.

[EllEffEll]

Yet he rode the bench for his first 2 seasons cause he wasn't good enough to start.


:durantunimpressed:

He rode the bench for the first two years because they didn't want to toss an 18 year old to the wolves if they didn't have to (and with Eddie Jones already doing a great job, they didn't have to do that). It was planned that way by Jerry West from the beginning.

[ImKobe]

Except, there are people who think Harden is better than Kobe.

You couldn't pick a worse example.



It's actually a good example.

Westbrook and Harden are two statistical gods who have broken some records that stood for a long time, yet they aren't seriously viewed as all-time greats and they come up short in big Playoff moments time and time again.

The box-score is why so many greats from past eras get underrated and it's obvious why it happens. If you weren't old enough to follow the league during Kobe's prime, it's easy to just google his stats and then compare those across eras while not taking rule changes into account.

Players today are more concerned with their stats than playing the right way in order for their team to win, it's obviously not true for everyone but WB gets criticzed for that a lot and fans/media are kind of over his record-breaking streak, just as they didn't really care about Harden's 30-pt streak.

[Mr Feeny]

To recap, Kobe fans insist that statistics and advanced metrics don't matter simply because all of them place their hero lower on the all time scale than they would.

The same remonstrations come from Kobe stans who want to argue that Kobe 》 Lebron but can't do so. And therefore resort to "bbbut butt ppg, apg, rpg, spg, bpg, efficiency, PER, VORP, BPM. They is all stats. They dont count Kobe is underrated:( "

:oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

No one is saying he was a bad player. Kobe was great and is rated just fine at 12.

[LAmbruh]

no shame in being ranked 12th


keep your head up Kobrick stains, his ranking will only depreciate as more players surpass

[Turbo Slayer]

Chillax.

[CAstill]

He's 2nd best player of all time and the only player that was willing to accept the challenge of the Jordan blueprint. Which is literally the reason why he is 2nd. No one else had enough balls.

[Kiddlovesnets]

He's 2nd best player of all time and the only player that was willing to accept the challenge of the Jordan blueprint. Which is literally the reason why he is 2nd. No one else had enough balls.

Kobe is the second best SG, but only the 12th best all time.

[Mr Feeny]

He's 2nd best player of all time and the only player that was willing to accept the challenge of the Jordan blueprint. Which is literally the reason why he is 2nd. No one else had enough balls.

:lol He is about 12th-5th all time. Lebron, Duncan, and Shaq who all played with/against him are all a few tiers higher.

[ImKobe]

:lol He is about 12th-5th all time. Lebron, Duncan, and Shaq who all played with/against him are all a few tiers higher.

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.

[stalkerforlife]

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.

Another one.

[Mr Feeny]

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.

Jerry west said that Lebron had surpassed Kobe as an all time player by 2009. Lebron hadn't even won his first MVP during the 2009 season. Nevermind his 3 titles as undisputed number 1 option or his 4 mvps (quadruple Kobe's).
All of the players you mentioned have more rings as lead dogs than Kobe and all are ranked tiers higher in almost every all time list?:(

[sdot_thadon]

few tiers higher? Shaq without Kobe made 2 Finals and won 1 role player ring, got swept in the other with two all-stars on his team. Went from Wade to Nash to Lebron to the Boston Big 3 and only had 1 Finals appearance with 1 role player ring to show for it.

Kobe was also 4 - 1 against Duncan last decade in Playoff series, you can cry Shaq but we all saw 2008 WCF.

Lebron came up short against teams Kobe beat in the Playoffs and went on national TV to say that Kobe was better than him during his athletic peak in 2009.
Umm, what role player ring did Shaq win? I'm fairly certain he won 3 as the man and one as a sidekick. Which happens to be the prime reason Kobe is ranked where he is, Shaq's rings as the man = kobe rings as a sidekick. All these years of making Kobe's 5 rings the focus of his worth and legacy only backfired in retirement because it's now the 1st thing picked apart in his placing among the greats.


Kobe has only 2 rings as the man.

[Wally450]

Of his 5 rings, he was the best player for 1 of them. :lol