When people say Jordan was best ever...

[DoctorP]

do they mean best individual talent? Like a Wilt Chamberlain or LeBron?

Or do they mean greatest champion like a Bill Russell?

Cuz Russell won the most...

[305Baller]

a combo of both. and the closing/clutch skills

plus 6 finals mvps in the modern age

[Vino24]

a combo of both. and the closing/clutch skills

plus 6 finals mvps in the modern age
So master of none? Got it

[LAmbruh]

So master of none? Got it
ouch :lol

[bison]

Michael Jordan is on the level of Michael Jackson. The greatest to ever do it—by consensus

[305Baller]

master of scoring

master of finals mvps

master of unlocking

[3ball]

do they mean best individual talent? Like a Wilt Chamberlain or LeBron?

Or do they mean greatest champion like a Bill Russell?

Cuz Russell won the most...
"Air" Jordan's talent was arguably goat; he was a 6'6" Westbrook, so his talent was unusual, but just in a smaller package than lebron

MJ is the goat combo leaper - the only guy that was goat-level off 1 or 2 legs - he could jog up to the FT line and double-pump off 1 leg, and was one of the goat 2-foot dunkers we've ever seen

[superduper]

The greatest #1 option winner of the modern era.

It's really not that hard to understand.

[3ball]

do they mean best individual talent? Like a Wilt Chamberlain or LeBron?

Or do they mean greatest champion like a Bill Russell?

Cuz Russell won the most..

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team offense and spacing was impossible back when there was no 3-point line, so a 1-way defender like Russell could dominate and win the most.

But once 3-pointer basketball began in 1980, team offense improved drastically, so the goat offensive and 2-way player won the most rings as "tha man" and became the goat (6 rings is the most in 3-pointer basketball)

[Mr Feeny]

do they mean best individual talent? Like a Wilt Chamberlain or LeBron?

Or do they mean greatest champion like a Bill Russell?

Cuz Russell won the most...

I think the reason Russell doesn't get the acclaim some think he should, is that those titles were in the nascent stages of basketball. Everything post-merger , rightly or wrongly, seemed to be viewed in a different lens.

[Stephonit]

Bill Russell dominating for 11 years seems totally unbelievable that people buy the reason that the league was totally different back then. That kind of dominance is something you might expect to see only in a small regional college league.

[Nikola_]

Bill Russell dominating for 11 years seems totally unbelievable that people buy the reason that the league was totally different back then. That kind of dominance is something you might expect to see only in a small regional college league.

its similar to pre Open era of tennis.

[HylianNightmare]

Then they know what they are talking about

[elementally morale]

Probably because we saw him play basketball.

[Spurs m8]

a combo of both. and the closing/clutch skills

plus 6 finals mvps in the modern age

Exactly.

[LostCause]

As far as individual talent, no one has yet surpassed Jordan there. LeBron is great in his own right, but he's still catching up to Jordan there (Which he said himself AFTER winning his 2016). I don't think you all realize just how many records and accomplishments Jordan still holds over Bron.

Wilt of course would technically be the most dominant if we go by records but he didn't combine that with winning. Jordan did, almost the best of both worlds sort of thing

Hence GOAT

[soots]

Still subjective.

Robert Horry is a better clutch player.

Id bet wilt is a better one on one player.

Id bet Russel is a better defender.

and id bet LBJ is a better solo-carrier on a team of numnuts. (neither could win, but LBJ can get you farther)

Hes not untouchable imo

[GimmeThat]

if that's your objective truth, you most likely watch the game of basketball simply having your eyes glued to where the ball goes