Should the right to vote be pushed back to 25?

[Shogon]

Human brains don't finish cooking until they're 25.

I would argue that even at 25 you still aren't an adult and you still know jack shit about life, but at least your brain has fully formed.

At 18... lmao...

Can you imagine if all of our lawmakers were 18? What if the president was 18? So why are they allowed to vote?

Hell, to be a congressman you need to be at least 25... to be president, 35... so if we acknowledge that our leaders need at least SOME life experience, why the **** are people at 18 years old allowed to vote and thus have a say in how we govern our country?

18 year olds know precisely jack and shit about life. NOTHING.

[fiddy]

It wont change anything, when the whole system is rigged and masked as a bi-partisan polite dictatorship.

[Objectivity]

Sure, young people tend to be more naive and ignorant, this could help.

This is not the long term solution tho, there should be some kind of test to determine whether you

[Celtics 1825]

Not 25 wtf. If you're able to serve for your country at 18 you should be able to vote at that age as well.

[tpols]

25 min, 65 max.

[Celtics 1825]

25 min, 65 max.
Now I do agree that there should be a maximum voting age. I think 65 is too young but somewhere in the 80s would be good. Senile ass 99 year olds shouldn't be allowed to have a say in who's gonna run the country when there's a good chance they won't even survive that person's term.

[Shogon]

Not 25 wtf. If you're able to serve for your country at 18 you should be able to vote at that age as well.

You shouldn't be able to serve at 18 either.

There's no way you're emotionally capable of fully realizing the ramifications of your choice at 18.

[iamgine]

Not 25 wtf. If you're able to serve for your country at 18 you should be able to vote at that age as well.
I never understood the "if this then that" argument.

What does one has to do with the other?

[stalkerforlife]

Should a minimum IQ be forced?

Admittedly, I wouldn't be able to vote if that's the case.

[Long Duck Dong]

Should a minimum IQ be forced?

Admittedly, I wouldn't be able to vote if that's the case.

Self deprecating humor is the best :oldlol:

But this wouldn't bother me at all. Income, education and/or IQ minimums would be great. Dems would never go for it though. Obama won 2/3 of the high school dropout vote against Romney, I suspect the Dems have an even bigger share of that now. But even that's not enough for them these days, they want the criminal and non-citizen votes too.

[Rolando]

I don't think they should change the age.

I just wish more people would take politics seriously enough to follow along throughout the years.

For instance, look at who's out front of the pack in the race for the Democratic nomination: Joe frikken Biden. It just goes to show you that most people simply go by name recognition. Issues are not that much of a factor. Political history of a candidate is not much of a factor.

You can also look at Trump as well: The most famous candidate of the Republicans.

Follow politics for long enough and you become an intelligent voter, no matter what your party affiliation. That's what we need.

[Prometheus]

Well, going by your own stated feelings on the issue, who we vote for is worth ****all, so long as our money supply continues to be controlled by a private bank who lends us all of our money.

So it really doesn't matter. Might as well drop the age to three, or raise it to forty-five.

[Shogon]

Well, going by your own stated feelings on the issue, who we vote for is worth ****all, so long as our money supply continues to be controlled by a private bank who lends us all of our money.

So it really doesn't matter. Might as well drop the age to three, or raise it to forty-five.

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He's on to us! RUN!

[Prometheus]

Really though, don't you think other things matter in spite of the overarching f*ckery? Tax cuts, healthcare reform, war declarations, etc.?

[Shogon]

You want some truth?

Bitcoin is going to eventually usurp governments and end empirical wars.

In the short term, yeah, our votes don't matter.

Until the Federal Reserve is overthrown along with the global Jewish banking cartel, humanity will not be free.

[Objectivity]

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He's on to us! RUN!

Oh, look!!

Nazi conspiracy theorist, how original :applause:

[MrFonzworth]

No, it's fine where it is.

[ILLsmak]

You want some truth?

Bitcoin is going to eventually usurp governments and end empirical wars.

In the short term, yeah, our votes don't matter.

Until the Federal Reserve is overthrown along with the global Jewish banking cartel, humanity will not be free.

the flaw of bitcoin is that it's a lot easier to drop a power grid than it is to cut off resources to everything else... like gold etc. That's kind of a limitation, so like when shit goes down I don't think people are gonna be counting on bit coin. They're gonna be counting on shit that has tangible value. Money might still... but it might not. Def not bitcoin.

I'm disappointed by this hot prophecy. If you're gonna say some wild shit say some wild shit.

-Smak

[Shogon]

the flaw of bitcoin is that it's a lot easier to drop a power grid than it is to cut off resources to everything else... like gold etc. That's kind of a limitation, so like when shit goes down I don't think people are gonna be counting on bit coin. They're gonna be counting on shit that has tangible value. Money might still... but it might not. Def not bitcoin.

I'm disappointed by this hot prophecy. If you're gonna say some wild shit say some wild shit.

-Smak

Bitcoin can still be transacted with over radio waves and satellites.

But I digress... if we have a complete power failure, currency will be the least of our worries. lol...

If we had a complete power failure, you think people are going to be worried about gold and other forms of currency besides Bitcoin?

No, in an instance like that... you're talking about widespread chaos if the power outage were to last any significant period of time.

[Shogon]

https://www.powermag.com/expect-death-if-pulse-event-hits-power-grid/

[QUOTE]Expert: 90% of U.S. Population Could Die if a Pulse Event Hits the Power Grid

When a large electromagnetic pulse (EMP) or geomagnetic disturbance (GMD) event occurs

[Prometheus]

The devastation would be so disproportionately bad in crowded cities.

Just imagine NYC. lol

[Shogon]

Yep, cities would basically be the last place in the entire world you would want to be. Basically any town with a population over a couple of hundred would be bad... especially somewhere like NYC, as you said... LA... Atlanta... Chicago... DC... lots and lots and lots of death in the streets.

You'd have a better shot out in the forest or raiding someone's farm or trying to befriend someone on a farm.

Own a gun... you still likely won't have enough ammo... own some knives, get some survival books and supplies...


I don't think it's probable that any of this shit happens, but it's always an interesting thought experiment.

[ScalsFan21]

This is Roganism on steroids, Sho...

[Shogon]

This is Roganism on steroids, Sho...

Explain further... I don't understand. Straying from the main topic? Lulz.

[Kblaze8855]

If we

[Prometheus]

Just the thought of it makes me want to take wilderness survival classes.

I know a few guys who got REALLY into that shit a few years ago. My dude could wander off into the forest with nothing but a knife and be straight.

Tracking animals, building fire, building shelters, knowing what flora is safe to eat, etc.

Basic skills of survival that we are so detached from. We're hardly even human anymore.

[Shogon]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]If we

[ScalsFan21]

Explain further... I don't understand. Straying from the main topic? Lulz.

Just seems like this is something Joe would propose during one of his million prefrontal cortex rants. But my point is, doesn't it make the most sense to draw a line at a particular age and say "here, this is when you're legally allowed to make certain decisions". Is there any real justification for delineating between sex, alcohol, tobacco, voting, joining the military etc. all having different ages?

I know a lot of people beat off to states' rights to the point of parody, but if you're an adult, you're an adult, and that should be it no matter where you are in the country.

I understand different parts of the grain grow at different speeds and have different functions, so this will always be a debate. But the idea of RAISING the voting age and deadening interest in politics among young people for LONGER periods of time? F that.

[tpols]

https://www.powermag.com/expect-death-if-pulse-event-hits-power-grid/



talking science with a GOP senator.

:roll:

whats next mate?

[Shogon]

talking science with a GOP senator.

:roll:

whats next mate?

Well I mean if you actually read anything and weren't just an obnoxiously presumptive ignorant asshole, you'd have noticed that the person answering the questions was the former head of the CIA.

[Prometheus]

True story. Are there really classes on this type of stuff? I will take some if that's true.

Absolutely. I'm sure you could find them in Florida, easily. I have never taken any so I wouldn't know how to direct you to the best companies, but I know there are packages for all different levels of immersion. Single day, weekend, 7-day, and more.

[bigkingsfan]

You think older people research for everyone on the ballot? Nope, they're only voting for the president, randomly choosing the candidates or voting for their political party.

[warriorfan]

It should. I don

[Shogon]

Well I mean if you actually read anything and weren't just an obnoxiously presumptive ignorant asshole, you'd have noticed that the person answering the questions was the former head of the CIA.

What? No apology tpols? No rebuttal? I didn’t think so.

How about next time you take a long walk off a short pier you ignorant piece of dog shit. Die in a meat grinder, you stupid and ignorant ****.

[tpols]

You think citing the cia means anything? (crooks)

A republican senator's "death panel" fear mongering like we haven't heard it before..?

Yourself in hysterics over it... You're a sheep mate.

[Norcaliblunt]

Intelligent people don

[ItsMillerTime]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Indifferent assholes don

[DaHeezy]

I agree mainly due to the fact young adults make irrational choices based on social politics as opposed to actual politics

My sister is 23 and still believes in voting Liberal souly because she feels she socially accepts equality. And most of her generation thinks the same way. Therefore voting Liberal is the way to go (political party in Canada). She doesn't even know, as do most young adults that the NDP party swing further to the left.

This is why that idiot Trudeau is in power. He's the poster boy for social leftist movement. Of course I'm speaking solely for Canada.

[sammichoffate]

Fixed this for youhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

[ILLsmak]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]It should. I don

[RidonKs]

I agree. The brain isn't developed until later.

But the voting age isn't just miraculously identical to the age of public school graduation. At a certain age, you finish being raised by the community and graduate to adulthood and citizenship.

Are you willing to fork over the resources to allow young men and women to complete their development under the care and supervision of society, aka the state, aka the public mandate and demand for a reasonably level playing field?

The current policy answer to that question is called "free college".

Alternatively, we could abolish public education altogether.

[GimmeThat]

wouldn't make sense to push the the voting age back if voting for someone younger than you is an option

[Cleverness]

If an 18 year-old can vote, then why are 23 year-old college students still considered "dependents", and their college costs depend on their parents/legal guardians? :confusedshrug:

Voting age should be raised, and/or most certainly not lowered (again). Eighteen year olds are young, naive, and their brains aren't fully developed.

[Cleverness]

I agree. The brain isn't developed until later.

But the voting age isn't just miraculously identical to the age of public school graduation. At a certain age, you finish being raised by the community and graduate to adulthood and citizenship.

Are you willing to fork over the resources to allow young men and women to complete their development under the care and supervision of society, aka the state, aka the public mandate and demand for a reasonably level playing field?

The current policy answer to that question is called "free college".

Alternatively, we could abolish public education altogether.

I don't want to get too off-topic, but we're already forking over $trillions to allow young men and women to 'complete their development' in safe spaces and indoctrination programs.

I posted this earlier, but Shogun's thread was deleted:


In addition to Pell Grants, the fed gov't gives 17 and 18 year olds the decision to borrow tens of thousands of dollars from taxpayers to study whatever they want

Fed gov't lending to teenagers = massive student debt

Terrible Pell Grant limitations = many students are getting screwed and now parents are transferring guardianship of 17 year olds to poorer relative for Pell grant eligibility (yes, this is happening)

18 year olds aren't interested in classroom learning as much as they are interested in getting away from their parents and avoiding a real job. Pell Grant + student loans via federal government/taxpayers make this possible.

[^^ That is how an 18 year-old thinks. That is how an 18 year-old votes.]

Our children have no wisdom. They have no real life experience. They don't understand how difficult it is to pay off $10k debt, let alone $100k debt. Stop allowing them to borrow $130k to study art history. No, I don't have anything against art history itself. I am, however, against "borrowing" $130k from taxpayers to study art history with no real plan to pay it back.

[bladefd]

I don't want to get too off-topic, but we're already forking over $trillions to allow young men and women to 'complete their development' in safe spaces and indoctrination programs.

I posted this earlier, but Shogun's thread was deleted:

I agree with the quoted article. This is why I am against all public colleges being tuition free. I am afraid of the ramifications if millions of high schoolers decide to take up on it with a major like art or history or psychology just to get away from home. They will be coming out driving up debt for the country and never be able to pay it back through taxes so you get very low return on investment as society. Certainly not to the level of a STEM major but not everyone will choose STEM major. Millions of art/history/psych majors will hit the market, working at McDonald's or be unemployed..

[Norcaliblunt]

I agree with the quoted article. This is why I am against all public colleges being tuition free. I am afraid of the ramifications if millions of high schoolers decide to take up on it with a major like art or history or psychology just to get away from home. They will be coming out driving up debt for the country and never be able to pay it back through taxes so you get very low return on investment as society. Certainly not to the level of a STEM major but not everyone will choose STEM major. Millions of art/history/psych majors will hit the market, working at McDonald's or be unemployed..

High school doesn’t teach you a trade or prep you for the service workforce. Because of that we have the people you speak of who take up psych, art, and history majors kinda clueless to what they actually want to do or really need in life. If high school could do its job and get kids out there working, hustling, busting their ass making money I’d say hey we don’t need the free college for everybody stuff. But it’s not. So you might as well have art, psych, history educated unemployed people and McDonalds employees. It’s better than just basic sorry ass high school diploma GED unemployed peeps and burger clippers. I’d rather be able to chop it up with the dude at Jack in the Box about the art history tip than not. Na did a

[bladefd]

High school doesn’t teach you a trade or prep you for the service workforce. Because of that we have the people you speak of who take up psych, art, and history majors kinda clueless to what they actually want to do or really need in life. If high school could do its job and get kids out there working, hustling, busting their ass making money I’d say hey we don’t need the free college for everybody stuff. But it’s not. So you might as well have art, psych, history educated unemployed people and McDonalds employees. It’s better than just basic sorry ass high school diploma GED unemployed peeps and burger clippers. I’d rather be able to chop it up with the dude at Jack in the Box about the art history tip than not. Na did a

What about return on investment? You shell out $60k per student for a major that doesn't pay back for what you put in. You end up with unemployed or McDonald's. They will still end up on medicaid or food stamps. Is it worth the obscene costs to drive up debt just so you can discuss history for 2 minutes? That HS grad can still work at McDonalds, doing the same stuff as the art major.

I mean sure, a bachelor of arts in history or psychology is not completely worthless. You can go to grad school and expand on it. This FBI agent gave a presentation in my college class years ago. He was an art history major or some crap as undergrad. Few years later, he went to grad school for some law enforcement degree (criminal justice I think it was) and ended up as an FBI agent defending the country. Unfortunately, stories like those are far and few.

I thought the solution would be to pick and choose which majors society should pay tuition for. Like "art: no", "CS: yes", "engineering: yes", "psychology: no", "IT: yes", "turf management: no".. But who the hell determines that? Students change majors often -- I changed my major twice. I began with astrophysics, switched to CS then IT. What if I had decided to switch to art? Do I get thrown out of college or tuition funds pulled? How do you even determine that - on what basis? It's an idea that completely falls apart once you put some thought into it. So I don't have the right solution for it. I don't think free tuition as a blanket statement is the answer though.

[Cleverness]

I agree with the quoted article. This is why I am against all public colleges being tuition free.

What quoted article? I was quoting myself :D