How does LeBron have like 6 peaks?

[SpaceJam2]

2009
2012
2013
2016
2018

How tf does this even make sense?

How would he do against the CP3 Clippers (98 Jazz) in the Finals?

[pegasus]

I like how you spell "losses".

[SpaceJam2]

I like how you spell "losses".


2012
2013
2016

Are..wins or...?

[superduper]

6 peaks and 6 finals losses.

It all aligns :eek:

[TheMan]

6 peaks and 6 finals losses.

It all aligns :eek:
:oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

6 peaks and 6 finals losses.

It all aligns :eek:

How would he do against the CP3 Clippers (98 Jazz) in the Finals?

[MJ(Mean John)]

2009
2012
2013
2016
2018

How tf does this even make sense?

How would he do against the CP3 Clippers (98 Jazz) in the Finals?


LOL Wut? One word amigo:


Steroids.

[Phoenix]

How would he do against the CP3 Clippers (98 Jazz) in the Finals?

How did he do against JJ Barea? There's your answer.

[sammichoffate]

6 peaks and 6 finals losses.

It all aligns :eek::oldlol:

[Manny98]

Entering his 7th peak next season :bowdown: :bowdown:

[ImKobe]

2016 and 2018 definitely aren't peaks, he was a shell of his former self defensively and nowhere near as athletic, OP obviously is clouded by stats in the era where a 6-3 point guard (WB in 2017) averaged more points, rebounds & assists than Lebron ever has in any of his Regular Seasons.

In reality, Lebron's peak was 09-13. All his Playoff numbers from 15-18 are inflated.

[Spurs m8]

No one believes this hahahah

[bullettooth]

6 peaks and 6 finals losses.

It all aligns :eek:

The number 6 is going to haunt LeBron for life.

[TheMan]

The number 6 is going to haunt LeBron for life.
Yup, MJ 6/6

LeBron 6 Finals losses...

Maybe he needs to lose a 7th Finals sometime in the future...or 8, or 9 :lol

[And1AllDay]

in mikes peak he left the bulls at 57 wins and they went ahead and won 55 the next year so yeah

so much for that weak peak

mike fraudon :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

in mikes peak he left the bulls at 57 wins and they went ahead and won 55 the next year so yeah

so much for that weak peak

mike fraudon :oldlol:

:eek:

[scuzzy]

He's went through 3 primes for sure

07-10

11-13

14-17

All have a legitimate cases for GOAT stretches of basketball, ever


Depending how he bounces back from his injury and cocktail of anabolics/gh this summer, he could be entering his 4th prime this year

[NBAGOAT]

16s defense is still underrated

[RRR3]

16s defense is still underrated
God mode on defense in the finals. Offense too of course.

[NBAGOAT]

God mode on defense in the finals. Offense too of course.

Yea people assume post 13 was when lecoast kicked in and that’s mostly true but 16 is an exception and I’m even talking regular season. flaw compared to 17 or 18 was his jumper being broken for first half of the year and still wasn’t as good in the playoffs as it was in 17 and 18 but I think defense is enough to make up for that and some

Granted they were from trolls but I remember posts about how lebrons primary defender fg% was as good if not better than kawhi, the dpoy. Was 2nd in drpm among small forwards after kawhi. Rim protection pops out hard on tape during playoffs at least.

[BigKobeFan]

He also has a widows peak

[superduper]

The number 6 is going to haunt LeBron for life.

He tried to own it and assert his dominance by making it his Miami number...

....nah bub :oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

the story line as to why he went to Miami the first place

less trips to the free throw line while playing at a pace only few elite athletes can keep up with

[Gileraracer]

Damn a guy with that many peaks and 2 suerstar teams must have a winning finals record easily right? :eek:

[sportjames23]

Better question, how does Lebron have 6 Finals losses?

[LAmbruh]

Better question, how does Lebron have 6 Finals losses?
jesus James, if you're going to steal jokes within 10 posts, can we at least credit SuperGoober?


f*cking rat bitch, stick to emoji's :oldlol:

[Gileraracer]

6 peaks for 3 rings? :eek:

He'll need another 6 peaks to match MJ :lol

[sportjames23]

jesus James, if you're going to steal jokes within 10 posts, can we at least credit SuperGoober?


f*cking rat bitch, stick to emoji's :oldlol:


I didn't even look at the rest of this thread. If someone already made that joke, it shows that great minds do indeed think alike. Now sit your simple triggered ass down, son.

[Mr Feeny]

16s defense is still underrated

I don't know how you can even make this claim with a straight face. Most people think he was average defensively during that finals because....he was. He was a shell of his former defensive self by 2016.

[NBAGOAT]

I don't know how you can even make this claim with a straight face. Most people think he was average defensively during that finals because....he was. He was a shell of his former defensive self by 2016.

yea it's not the most popular opinion but there's quite a bit of evidence. I think casuals were impressed with his blocks however. Keep in mind i'm talking 16 specifically. 15,17, and 18 and yea lebron is average

[Phoenix]

How does OP have 60 alts?

[Nikola_]

in mikes peak he left the bulls at 57 wins and they went ahead and won 55 the next year so yeah

so much for that weak peak

mike fraudon :oldlol:

why did 93 bulls go on and win 10 games less than 92 bulls?
why were 95 bulls 34-31 prior to jordan returning?

[Mr Feeny]

yea it's not the most popular opinion but there's quite a bit of evidence. I think casuals were impressed with his blocks however. Keep in mind i'm talking 16 specifically. 15,17, and 18 and yea lebron is average

That could be the case. I was comparing him to prime Lebron since the thread is about 'peaks'. He obviously was never going to be the 2009-2013 Lebron (especially 2012-2013 when he was at his highest level ever).

Having said that, it's not crazy to have 2016 stand out when its bookended by (for his standards) poor defensive seasons. In the 2017 finals, whoever was matched up on Lebron offensively shot 56.3% to Lebron's 51.5%fg. That isn't just mediocre; it's putrid. If your best player plays defense like that, you're not going to have a prayer of winning the series. So in my opinion, those years in question were much worse than average. They were really poor. Which means that any average season defensively is going to stand out in comparison.

[NBAGOAT]

That could be the case. I was comparing him to prime Lebron since the thread is about 'peaks'. He obviously was never going to be the 2009-2013 Lebron (especially 2012-2013 when he was at his highest level ever).

Having said that, it's not crazy to have 2016 stand out when its bookended by (for his standards) poor defensive seasons. In the 2017 finals, whoever was matched up on Lebron offensively shot 56.3% to Lebron's 51.5%fg. That isn't just mediocre; it's putrid. If your best player plays defense like that, you're not going to have a prayer of winning the series. So in my opinion, those years in question were much worse than average. They were really poor. Which means that any average season defensively is going to stand out in comparison.

lebron still wasnt that much below average however even outside 16 besides maybe 18. His strength has always been help defense over man so a fg% stat isnt the best measure.

His 16 fg% stats are crazy however far above average.

LeBron:

Overall: 37.4 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 44.7%, -7.3%
Threes: 32.1 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 34.6%, -2.6%
Twos: 40.8 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 49.0%, -8.2%
<6ft: 48.6 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 59.9%, -11.3%

LeBron In the playoffs was ridiculous:

Overall: 31.9 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 45.9%, -14.0%
Threes: 24.1 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 36.7%, -12. 6%
Twos: 36.6 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 50.5%, -13.9%
<6ft: 37.9 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 61.3%, -23.5%

LeBron In the finals was utterly ridiculous:

Overall: 31.6 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 47.9%, -16.3%
Threes: 29.0 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 39.6%, -10.6%
Twos: 33.3 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 53.6%, -20.3%
<6ft: 38.5 DFG%, opponents usually shoot 63.6%, -25.1%

according to this post https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1467290 but I believe similar stuff was posted here too comparing him to kawhi at least.

[Mr Feeny]

I literally just showed you that he was letting his direct matchup shoot 56.3% in the 2017 finals. If that's average, then the standard by which he is measured must be low. Because that is deplorable.

[NBAGOAT]

I literally just showed you that he was letting his direct matchup shoot 56.3% in the 2017 finals. If that's average, then the standard by which he is measured must be low. Because that is deplorable.

his man defense was bad, defense isnt just man defense and no i'm not saying his help defense was good in the finals either but when I said he was average, I was talking about the season as a whole. also matters what the guy he's guarding usually shoots. Letting a guy shoot 56% is less of an indictment when you consider he shot 54% during the rs lol.

[Mr Feeny]

his man defense was bad, defense isnt just man defense and no i'm not saying his help defense was good in the finals either but when I said he was average, I was talking about the season as a whole. also matters what the guy he's guarding usually shoots. Letting a guy shoot 56% is less of an indictment when you consider he shot 54% during the rs lol.

Yeah but that's comparing apples to oranges, isnt it? We have to use his fg% in the finals for that comparison. And I believe he shot 51%. So a -5%fg negative. But I agree. Man to man defense isn't everything.

Although, you have to agree that he's not been the same at team defense since 2014. He doesnt rotate. He hardly closes out he hardly boxes out. So if his man to man defense drops off, it isn't a good sign.

[ImKobe]

Yeah but that's comparing apples to oranges, isnt it? We have to use his fg% in the finals for that comparison. And I believe he shot 51%. So a -5%fg negative. But I agree. Man to man defense isn't everything.

Although, you have to agree that he's not been the same at team defense since 2014. He doesnt rotate. He hardly closes out he hardly boxes out. So if his man to man defense drops off, it isn't a good sign.

Nothing but the truth. His help defense has been terrible since 2016 but people only remember the highlight plays that get shown on social media. Most defensive stats aren't that accurate but you can just tell his defense has fallen off with how bad all his teams have been on that end since the 2016 Finals and a lot of it has to do with him not rotating, he can play some good defense in the first half but you can tell he just doesn't have it late in games.

Lakers last season were respectable on defense until Lonzo got injured and then they were just giving up 120+ like every game when Lebron entered "Playoff mode".

[NBAGOAT]

Yeah but that's comparing apples to oranges, isnt it? We have to use his fg% in the finals for that comparison. And I believe he shot 51%. So a -5%fg negative. But I agree. Man to man defense isn't everything.

Although, you have to agree that he's not been the same at team defense since 2014. He doesnt rotate. He hardly closes out he hardly boxes out. So if his man to man defense drops off, it isn't a good sign.

sure 09-13 is his defensive prime. my point specifically was about 16 however and his help activity spiked that year with a lot of potential reasons. As ImKobe says below, he qualifies by saying since the 2016 finals etc. it is admittedly a weird little return to form for a year.

i'm guessing you mean fg% when guarded by other guys and yea that would be better but does have some sample size issues but tbf all of these finals stats do. your numbers sound reasonable but do you have a link showing what warriors shot vs different defenders?

[Mr Feeny]

sure 09-13 is his defensive prime. my point specifically was about 16 however and his help activity spiked that year with a lot of potential reasons. As ImKobe says below, he qualifies by saying since the 2016 finals etc. it is admittedly a weird little return to form for a year.

i'm guessing you mean fg% when guarded by other guys and yea that would be better but does have some sample size issues but tbf all of these finals stats do. your numbers sound reasonable but do you have a link showing what warriors shot vs different defenders?

I see what you're saying. Ofcourse it's a small sample size as it's only 5 games and, even then, defensive metrics have lots of issues but no play is pure isolation these days. With all the switches, it's impossible to isolate and quantify someone's defensive performance.

I just used the NBA stats for the 2017 finals. You could look up the different players and see the net fg%fg for each but that might be time consuming. Maybe someone who is better at using these websites and their stats search engine can help find a better way to get around it.