Robert Horry "Michael Jordan feared Hakeem"

[Manny98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9TItcESf1Y

Hakeem has a winning record against MJ as well, lol at these retards acting like Jordan would have beaten Keem if he didn't retire

MJ was to shook to even face Hakeem :roll:

[LAmbruh]

#notmygoat

[TheMan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9TItcESf1Y

Hakeem has a winning record against MJ as well, lol at these retards acting like Jordan would have beaten Keem if he didn't retire

MJ was to shook to even face Hakeem :roll:
Meh, that's Horry talking shit, let's ask Hakeem himself, he says MJ is the GOAT and a "far far superior player to LeBron James..." Even goes on to say comparing LeBron to MJ is an unfair comparison to James :roll:

https://youtu.be/8xj0zNOV1nw

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[TheMan]

Mind you, Hakeem isn't just saying MJ > LeBron, in his opinion, it's not even close :roll:

Thanks Manny98, thought about posting Hakeem's opinion on MJ > LeBron but didn't do it after MJ throttled James ass on the latest ISH GOAT list poll, thought it would just be overkill at that point :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Meh, that's Horry talking shit, let's ask Hakeem himself, he says MJ is the GOAT and a "far far superior player to LeBron James..." Even goes on to say comparing LeBron to MJ is an unfair comparison to James :roll:

https://youtu.be/8xj0zNOV1nw

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You can play the quote game going either way.




"There should be no doubt or label of fluke on our championships," said Hakeem Olajuwon. "As for Michael Jordan, a lot of people don't know and never looked up our matchups with Chicago during that time. If you check the records, you'll see that we beat them on a consistent basis when Michael was playing and winning his first three championships.

"(Vernon) Maxwell guarded Michael and gave him problems. In '95, we would have had Mario Elie on him. They didn't have anyone who could contain me. Chicago was never a problem for us. We always looked forward to playing them. A lot of people don't realize that."

The Rockets, in fact, had a 5-1 record vs. Jordan and the Bulls from 1991 through 1993, the span of Chicago's first "three-peat."

After a loss on his home floor at Chicago Stadium in 1993, Jordan said, "We have no answer for the big guy. It's a good thing they won't ever make it to the (NBA) Finals, because I don't think we could beat them."



94 would have been nice to see because we still had Grant so there was toughness inside. 95? No Grant or Rodman(not that Rodman helped Drob when Hakeem owned him)?

95 would have been tough.

[305Baller]

Mind you, Hakeem isn't just saying MJ > LeBron, in his opinion, it's not even close :roll:

Thanks Manny98, thought about posting Hakeem's opinion on MJ > LeBron but didn't do it after MJ throttled James ass on the latest ISH GOAT list poll, thought it would just be overkill at that point :lol

Why does Manny have LeBone all up in his mouth all the time?

[TheMan]

#notmygoat
He's not your GOAT Simon, but he's Hakeem's...and I would take his opinion over yours any and every time :cheers:

[Manny98]

LeBron,LeBron,LeBron :mad: :mad:
Didn't even mention LeBron in my OP and your all hot & bothered :roll:

2 easy, LeBron has you shook just as Hakeem had your idol shook :hammertime:

[TheMan]

You can play the quote game going either way.







94 would have been nice to see because we still had Grant so there was toughness inside. 95? No Grant or Rodman(not that Rodman helped Drob when Hakeem owned him)?

95 would have been tough.
Hakeem is a GOAT, I respect him (not James colluding ass though), no shame in losing to another GOAT in Hakeem and I also agree that Hakeem led Rockkets would probably be one of the toughest matchups for the Bulls but unfortunately they never made it to the Finals in any of the 6 times the Bulls did so we will never know for sure...

All I know is that Hakeem considers MJ a FAR FAR SUPERIOR player to James :confusedshrug:

[Manny98]

The Rockets, in fact, had a 5-1 record vs. Jordan and the Bulls from 1991 through 1993, the span of Chicago's first "three-peat."

After a loss on his home floor at Chicago Stadium in 1993, Jordan said, "We have no answer for the big guy. It's a good thing they won't ever make it to the (NBA) Finals, because I don't think we could beat them."
Straight from the horses mouth :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

Didn't even mention LeBron in my OP and your all hot & bothered :roll:

2 easy, LeBron has you shook just as Hakeem had your idol shook :hammertime:
You have an agenda, I could read you like a book...

Let me then go ahead and post about the time Terry called LeBron a bitch in the 2011 Finals and pretend I have no agenda :rolleyes:

[And1AllDay]

hold up mike had a losing record against hakeem, isiah thomas and larry bird

#notmygoat

[TheMan]

hold up mike had a losing record against hakeem, isiah thomas and larry bird

#notmygoat
LeBron had a losing record vs TimmyD and yet you idiots place him above Duncan :confusedshrug:

#noonesgoat

[And1AllDay]

LeBron had a losing record vs TimmyD and yet you idiots place him above him :confusedshrug:

#noonesgoat

fine so the goat list is

timmy d
bran
hakeem
isiah
bird
mike

anythine else :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Manny98]

You have an agenda, I could read you like a book...

Let me then go ahead and post about the time Terry called LeBron a bitch in the 2011 Finals and pretend I have no agenda :rolleyes:
Go ahead because it's not true

Jordan being scared of Hakeem on the other hand...

After a loss on his home floor at Chicago Stadium in 1993, Jordan said, "We have no answer for the big guy. It's a good thing they won't ever make it to the (NBA) Finals, because I don't think we could beat them."

[Da_Realist]

MJ always torched Vernon Maxwell. Where did that myth come from?

Much respect to Hakeem. The greatest big man I had the pleasure of watching during his prime years.

1993 is the year that wasn't. That could have been the greatest Finals but Houston couldn't get past the Sonics.

[And1AllDay]

Go ahead because it's not true

Jordan being scared of Hakeem on the other hand...


manny bomb

kaboom

theman get wrekt in each thread he enters :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMan]

fine so the goat list is

timmy d
bran
hakeem
isiah
bird
mike

anythine else :oldlol: :oldlol:
I have no problem if that's YOUR GOAT list :confusedshrug:

You do you, Simon :cheers:

[RRR3]

TheMan whenever someone doesn’t worship MJ enough for his liking:

https://media.giphy.com/media/1kHJykRxK9ZdK/giphy.gif

[TheMan]

manny bomb

kaboom

theman get wrekt in each thread he enters :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
Manny98 is one of the worst posters here, that you think he wreks anyone speaks volumes of how much of an idiot you are :roll:

[And1AllDay]

I have no problem if that's YOUR GOAT list :confusedshrug:

You do you, Simon :cheers:

um tranny avy lover that was your logic

[And1AllDay]

Manny98 is one of the worst posters here, that you think he wreks anyone speaks volumes of how much of an idiot you are :roll:

manny has been owning you for a while now bruh how do you not see it

go back to off topic forum you dont know shit about basketball thanks

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]TheMan whenever someone doesn

[And1AllDay]

Not at all, the OP posted about MJ being scared of Hakeem, all I did was post a video of Hakeem calling MJ the GOAT and a far far superior player to James...

Take it up with Hakeem if you have a problem with that you tranny loving fggot :lol

you callin someone else a tranny lover with that tranny avatar? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

Michael Jordan might have lost to Hakeem

LeBron James actually lost to Dwight Howard

Yikes

[RRR3]

https://media.giphy.com/media/1kHJykRxK9ZdK/giphy.gif
:oldlol:

[TheMan]

manny has been owning you for a while now bruh how do you not see it

go back to off topic forum you dont know shit about basketball thanks
Lol, he isn't owning anyone you clown, just because a total ignoramus like you says it, don't make it true. Manny98 is a joke around here, no one but dopes like you think he's owning anyone. Manny98 picked Kyle Korver with his 5th pick in the ISH NBA ALL TIME DRAFT THREAD

Let that sink in, dipshit :roll:

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[Manny98]

MJ always torched Vernon Maxwell. Where did that myth come from?

Much respect to Hakeem. The greatest big man I had the pleasure of watching during his prime years.

1993 is the year that wasn't. That could have been the greatest Finals but Houston couldn't get past the Sonics.
And Jordan couldn't get past the Magic in 95

The whole world was anticipating Jordan and Hakeem finally meeting on the biggest stage

And MJ let us down :(

https://i.postimg.cc/wvgV0WD9/the-steal-o.gif

[TheMan]

you callin someone else a tranny lover with that tranny avatar? :oldlol: :oldlol:
You're a virgin, can't fault you to know the difference between a tranny and a real female...

I still believe in you champ :cheers:

[Da_Realist]

Michael Jordan might have lost to Hakeem

LeBron James actually lost to Dwight Howard

Yikes

Had MJ lost, he damn sure wouldn't have left Chicago to start over someplace else like a certain someone. Dude was a true competitor and would have loved the challenge.

Chicago was always a better team in the playoffs than in the regular season. Cleveland dusted them all 6 games in 89 but lost in the playoffs. Detroit always dusted them in the RS but had to fight tooth and nail for the W in the playoffs. Beating Chicago 5-1 over a span of 3 years (just 2 games per year) doesn't say a lot when Houston was probably more pumped to play the champs than Chicago was to play them.

I do think Houston would have posed a monstrous threat, though.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6379603&postcount=58

[ArbitraryWater]

:lebronamazed:


but but but MJ was a killer and the runaway GOAT!


Such a facade, this man

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm actually disgusted with how fake and overblown his whole untouchableness is



how his fans feel no shame, I dont know

[RRR3]

You're a virgin, can't fault you to know the difference between a tranny and a real female...

I still believe in you champ :cheers:
Underage women don’t count, son.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13800806&postcount=25

God damn, someone alert the feds. Your daughters aren’t safe with TheMan around.

[Phoenix]

Hakeem in 95 would have at worst equaled MJ's 'greatness' in a hypothetical finals matchup. It would have come down to the role players in that series.

Dream was a top 10 GOAT. No right thinking fan should blink an eye at the idea that the Rockets could have beaten the Bulls in 95, especially with the chasm between the frontcourts. You also had Drexler in the backcourt who, although MJ wins that matchup, would have made him accountable on the defensive end.

[Manny98]

Hakeem in 95 would have at worst equaled MJ's 'greatness' in a hypothetical finals matchup. It would have come down to the role players in that series.

Dream was a top 10 GOAT. No right thinking fan should blink an eye at the idea that the Rockets could have beaten the Bulls in 95, especially with the chasm between the frontcourts. You also had Drexler in the backcourt who, although MJ wins that matchup, would have made him accountable on the defensive end.
Your boy couldn't even get past Orlando in 95 :oldlol:

Hakeem was waiting for MJ and he didn't show up

[Phoenix]

Your boy couldn't even get past Orlando in 95 :oldlol:

Hakeem was waiting for MJ and he didn't show up

I said hypothetically. In other words, if the Bulls had gotten to the finals. It's amazing how you go day to day here and can't muster one semi-intelligent comment.

[LAmbruh]

you know it's only a matter of time before Phoenix and Lost Cause pop up to defend their nostalgia

:yaohappy:

[Manny98]

I said hypothetically. In other words, if the Bulls had gotten to the finals. It's amazing how you go day to day here and can't muster one semi-intelligent comment.
But... They didn't :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/wvgV0WD9/the-steal-o.gif

[lakers_forever]

Olajuwon is an all time great, but a little overrated when people call him greatest center ever (he was no Kareem or Wilt) or something crazy like he was 20 time better than Duncan (like Horry said recently). Horry is a little bit delusional. He think he was better than he was. He even said he would lock Pippen up. :oldlol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZpVlMVYr-A

5-1 in the regular season don't me much to me. Jordan in the playoffs was a different beast. He would murder Ellie and Maxwell in the finals. The Bulls would beat the Rockets in 94 and probably in 95 as well. I think the Rockets title run in 95 as lower seed had much to do with their confidence as defending champions, which they would not have been if Jordan had played in 94.

[Phoenix]

And this is where you see the stupidity of people like Lamebruh. They're so pre-programmed in their stupidity, that he can't see that I was actually favoring the Rockets in 95. This:

"No right thinking fan should blink an eye at the idea that the Rockets could have beaten the Bulls in 95, especially with the chasm between the frontcourts."

Is hardly a defense of MJ. I'm quite clearly inferring that the Rockets quite likely/possibly win in 95. Nowhere in there do I say MJ wins that matchup, because I've never argued him as infallible. But, when you allow a bunch of inbreeds to run amok, this is the level of discourse.

[Phoenix]

But... They didn't :roll:

https://i.postimg.cc/wvgV0WD9/the-steal-o.gif

Just one semi-intelligent post. Think you can muster up the energy one of these decades? Or are we simply witnessing intellectual retardation with you?

[NBAGOAT]

97 rockets vs bulls would’ve been interesting imo. I favor the bulls but the rockets would’ve been the most talented team the bulls faced even though they were past their prime. Underperformed vs Utah however, oh well

[Vino24]

Hakeem :applause:

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Underage women don

[RRR3]

Damn right son, you OTOH, ain't no Mama's sons safe with RRR3 around. :oldlol:
Based on what? Something stalker pulled out of his ass?

Meanwhile, we have actual evidence of you being attracted to little girls :biggums:

[Stringer Bell]

And this is where you see the stupidity of people like Lamebruh. They're so pre-programmed in their stupidity, that he can't see that I was actually favoring the Rockets in 95. This:

"No right thinking fan should blink an eye at the idea that the Rockets could have beaten the Bulls in 95, especially with the chasm between the frontcourts."

Is hardly a defense of MJ. I'm quite clearly inferring that the Rockets quite likely/possibly win in 95. Nowhere in there do I say MJ wins that matchup, because I've never argued him as infallible. But, when you allow a bunch of inbreeds to run amok, this is the level of discourse.

Oh, the 95

[GimmeThat]

he didn't fear him, it's a subject which he's noted correlation yet not identified causation

similar to praising other players without contributing to their success sounding like crushed

[Akeem34TheDream]

Well it was logical for him to fear.

[Norcaliblunt]

Rockets shouldn

[sportjames23]

MJ always torched Vernon Maxwell. Where did that myth come from?

Much respect to Hakeem. The greatest big man I had the pleasure of watching during his prime years.

1993 is the year that wasn't. That could have been the greatest Finals but Houston couldn't get past the Sonics.


And the Rockets were lucky the Sonics melted down in 94 and 95, especially 94. They owned Hakeem's Rockets in the playoffs. I believe 97 was the only time the Rockets got past Seattle and that went 7 games.

As for the topic at hand, Horry can talk all that shit he wants, be we all know the regular season don't mean shit. The Knicks beat the Bulls in the regular season in 1993 and the Bulls beat them in 6 games in the ECF. The Jazz swept the regular season matchup with Chicago in 1998 and we all know what happened in the Finals.

And that 5-1 shit? How convenient that you ****nuggets ignore how the Bulls went 5-1 vs the Rockets from 1996 to 1998.

[Gileraracer]

#notmygoat

Your GOAT got humilated by the likes of JJ Barea, Jason Terry and Nate Robinson :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Your GOAT got humilated by the likes of JJ Barea, Jason Terry and Nate Robinson :lol

the 1st never happened (but im not surprised you like flopping)
the second one was humiliated himself in the dunk of the year, no idea what you speak of
the 3rd is rs


nice one

[Stringer Bell]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Rockets shouldn

[TheMan]

the 1st never happened (but im not surprised you like flopping)
the second one was humiliated himself in the dunk of the year, no idea what you speak of
the 3rd is rs


nice one
Terry was posterized, that's true but that wasn't the dunk of the year :roll: A 6'8" guy dunking on a midget isn't impressive, I prefer watching wings dunk on bigmen, those are impressive dunks bruh

[Haymaker]

Vernon Maxwell? Yes, he was a hard-nosed defender but he was no Gary Payton. Rockets would've taken the Bulls to 7 games but no way they win, especially in 1994.

[Da_Realist]

Hakeem Olajuwon on Michael Jordan:

Most superstars, if they match up against each other at the same position, neutralize each other. When you put together your game plan you figure that unless someone has an outstanding night, this is a stand-off, the game will be won by the other teammates. But Michael Jordan isn't neutralized. He's different. Michael Jordan dominates superstars.

If he were an animal in the jungle Michael Jordan could lie out on the biggest rock and no one would disturb him, no one would attack him. He wouldn't have to watch his back. All the other animals would wait fearfully; they'd be scared even while he slept. he would stalk prey and take down anything he wanted. Afterward he would prowl around, full, quiet, peaceful, his tail swinging. In the NBA, Michael Jordan walks around the jungle freely.

My Life and Basketball (https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0316094277/ref=dbs_a_def_rwt_bibl_vppi_i0), Pg 204 (December 1995)

[Da_Realist]

Olajuwon and MJ both have a healthy amount of respect for each other.

[Phoenix]

Bulls win in 94 with MJ. You had a still prime Jordan, Scottie at his peak, Horace Grant and BJ coming into their primes, with substantial bench upgrades in Kukoc, Kerr , Wennington with Cartwright, Perdue, Paxson hanging around as the old guard. The Rockers barely beat the Knicks with Ewing getting outplayed by Dream and Starks fukking up in game 7. The Bulls offense would be exponentially better on top of great defense. 95 without Grant leaves the frontline thin, combined with the strain of going for a 5-peat are the likely biggest factors in Chicago not beating the Rockets assuming they even get to the finals. Even if MJ never left and had a greater degree of familiarity with his teammates, the Magic still provide a formidable obstacle should they still end up playing them.

[dankok8]

Assuming MJ never retired...

If they faced in 1994, I feel Bulls would have won. Hakeem didn't have much help actually and carried that team. Bulls with a stacked roster would have been too much to overcome. Then again, going for four straight isn't easy. Rockets would definitely be hungrier. Bulls in 7.

In 1995 though, I'd take the Rockets in 6. And that's of course assuming Bulls even make it that far. They lost fair and square to the Magic in the 2nd round and MJ did play. It's not so much Rockets were better in 1995 (though they had Drexler they lost Thorpe) but Bulls were worse in 1995.

[Mr Feeny]

Assuming MJ never retired...

If they faced in 1994, I feel Bulls would have won. Hakeem didn't have much help actually and carried that team. Bulls with a stacked roster would have been too much to overcome. Then again, going for four straight isn't easy. Rockets would definitely be hungrier. Bulls in 7.

In 1995 though, I'd take the Rockets in 6. And that's of course assuming Bulls even make it that far. They lost fair and square to the Magic in the 2nd round and MJ did play. It's not so much Rockets were better in 1995 (though they had Drexler they lost Thorpe) but Bulls were worse in 1995.

But the 1995 Bulls were worse in large part because Jordan wasn't in basketball shape. They still came close to beating the Magic. The other obvious factor is that Grant was gone and they hadn't replaced him yet.

Who knows whether a Jordan with a full training camp and season under his belt would have been enough to flip the result. I believe that it would have been the case but we could just as easily say that fatigue would have played a role after so many consecutive trips to the finals.

[Mr Feeny]

Bulls win in 94 with MJ. You had a still prime Jordan, Scottie at his peak, Horace Grant and BJ coming into their primes, with substantial bench upgrades in Kukoc, Kerr , Wennington with Cartwright, Perdue, Paxson hanging around as the old guard. The Rockers barely beat the Knicks with Ewing getting outplayed by Dream and Starks fukking up in game 7. The Bulls offense would be exponentially better on top of great defense. 95 without Grant leaves the frontline thin, combined with the strain of going for a 5-peat are the likely biggest factors in Chicago not beating the Rockets assuming they even get to the finals. Even if MJ never left and had a greater degree of familiarity with his teammates, the Magic still provide a formidable obstacle should they still end up playing them.

Pretty much agree with all of this. Chicago might have still lost in 95 even had Jordan not retired. I'm on the fence with that one.

[Da_Realist]

Had the Rockets either beat the Bulls or pushed them to 7 games, the Bulls would have returned intact. Fully ready to avenge their loss or prove the win was no fluke. That would have been the challenge MJ needed to stay in the league.

[dankok8]

But the 1995 Bulls were worse in large part because Jordan wasn't in basketball shape. They still came close to beating the Magic. The other obvious factor is that Grant was gone and they hadn't replaced him yet.

Who knows whether a Jordan with a full training camp and season under his belt would have been enough to flip the result. I believe that it would have been the case but we could just as easily say that fatigue would have played a role after so many consecutive trips to the finals.

MJ wasn't in such bad shape. He put up 55 at MSG a few games after coming back and averaged 30+ in the playoffs. No Grant was a big factor though and I was assuming identical rosters. I don't see the 1995 Bulls winning a title against the Rockets.

[Norcaliblunt]

Phoenix should have wrapped it up in 5. Barkley’s missed FTs, and that Wesley Person shot that was about an inch of 2 off.


Exactly!!! Nobody ever brings up the fact that Barkley choked that series away in game 5 with his missed FT’s. The Suns who were missing Danny Manning due to knee injury were on the verge of closing out this 95 Rockets team in 5 games. I have hard time believing Phil Jackson, Michael Jordan, and the Bulls choke against Houston.

[Elosha]

But the 1995 Bulls were worse in large part because Jordan wasn't in basketball shape. They still came close to beating the Magic. The other obvious factor is that Grant was gone and they hadn't replaced him yet.

Who knows whether a Jordan with a full training camp and season under his belt would have been enough to flip the result. I believe that it would have been the case but we could just as easily say that fatigue would have played a role after so many consecutive trips to the finals.

This is true. People look at Jordan's overall stats and think, he was just as good in 95 after coming out of retirement. But he wasn't. His wind was not as good, his ballhandling and finishing ability slightly off, his shot was flatter, and he was -- for the only time in his entire career -- tentative in the clutch. His reflexes and his endurance had trained for baseball for two years, and he was no spring chicken coming back out of retirement at 33. And he really had not enough time to adjust to his new teammates such as Kukoc, and vice versa. The Bulls were very good with Jordan but not great. And of course losing Horace plus having to play against him was a double blow in the ECF semifinals.

You can see how all of this affected him in the playoffs. It wasn't just Jordan getting the ball stolen by Nick Anderson in game 1 when the Bulls should have/could have won (and Jordan played not very well the entire game), it was the follow up possession, where Jordan not only didn't take the open mid-range shot to win, he passed to Pippen and threw it behind him for another turnover. It wasn't a bad play, Pippen was open, but Jordan' pass was way off which is something that rarely occurred when Jordan was sharp and at full skill level. Also Jordan had a pretty clean look at the gw shot himself, which is something he'd rarely pass up normally.

Although Jordan had some great games in game 2, 4 and 5, he still made crucial mistakes in game 6 that probably cost the Bulls the game. His numbers were quite good in game 6, but in the last minutes of the game, with the Bulls winning but Orlando pressing, Jordan missed I believe two easy finger roll lay up attempts after beating his man in the post These were shots he'd normally make 9/10 times. And he drove twice in the last minutes of the game and turned the ball over basically unforced from his own bad ball handling.

You could just tell watching him that it was starting to come together but it wasn't all there yet. It's like he would play very well in stretches but you could still see glitches in his game that would show up at the worst possible time.

But Jordan got it basically all back in the off season. He put in massive work, the Bulls also got Rodman, and the rest is history.

I'm on the fence about the Rockets. I can't imagine the strain of 4 peating and 5 peating, the physical and emotional grind are staggering. Still, if Jordan doesn't retire in 94, I think the Bulls likely take the 94 Rockets in 6 or 7, depending on who had home court. Honestly, I think the Bulls probably take it in 6, they were so much more experienced than the Rockets, who just barely beat the Knicks. NY was very tough but Jordan beat them every time. I think over the course of 7 games, they would have worn Houston down. Give the Bulls about 6/10 odds to win.

In 95, assuming Grant left, it would be ... difficult. Exhaustion, lack of interior strength, new players. Even with Jordan, there's no absolute guarantee they get past Orlando, or the Knicks or Indiana. Still, I'd put money on Jordan. Against Houston in the Finals? Really tough, I'll say 50/50. Gun to my head, I might go with Houston. They would be so hungry for a title if the Bulls beat them in 94, and would be playing out of their minds. MJ would definitely outplay Drexler, but Maxwell and Drexler would make him work. Without Grant, they'd struggle mightily with Hakeem. He dominated Grant when they played, but Grant could at least make him work for his points. Without Grant, Bulls would have an extremely tough time.

[Norcaliblunt]

95 Rockets are getting severely overrated here. They were a like a team of destiny going up against teams who epically choked. The Bulls were the one team from that era that had the “never underestimate the heart of a champion” pedigree to not choke against this mediocre Rockets team.

94 would have been closer IMO.

[guy]

Bulls win in 94 with MJ. You had a still prime Jordan, Scottie at his peak, Horace Grant and BJ coming into their primes, with substantial bench upgrades in Kukoc, Kerr , Wennington with Cartwright, Perdue, Paxson hanging around as the old guard. The Rockers barely beat the Knicks with Ewing getting outplayed by Dream and Starks fukking up in game 7. The Bulls offense would be exponentially better on top of great defense. 95 without Grant leaves the frontline thin, combined with the strain of going for a 5-peat are the likely biggest factors in Chicago not beating the Rockets assuming they even get to the finals. Even if MJ never left and had a greater degree of familiarity with his teammates, the Magic still provide a formidable obstacle should they still end up playing them.

The thing with 95 is if Jordan never retired and is playing, that means the Bulls are still trying to compete for titles, which means they would

[Norcaliblunt]

And people forget maxwell wasn

[Phoenix]

The thing with 95 is if Jordan never retired and is playing, that means the Bulls are still trying to compete for titles, which means they would’ve done everything they could to keep Grant or find a suitable replacement instead of trying to play Kukoc at PF.

A lot of people don’t realize this, but the Bulls were pretty much ready to tear it down after 94. They almost traded Pippen for Kemp and Pippen continued to be unhappy throughout that season. That was not a team trying to win a title or a team that was trying to prove anything anymore like they did in 94. So if Jordan never retired, it’s not like that would be the same exact roster. They would’ve had all the similar pieces they had during the championship years, and if that’s the case I find it hard to see the Rockets ever beating them.

My scenario is based on the premise that Grant leaves even if MJ stays( IIRC he wasn't particularly happy by the end of his time with Chicago but I stand to be corrected), and Rodman kind of fell into their lap in 95 after wearing out his welcome in San Antonio. So the question is..what available power forward 'of consequence' fills that void in 95? It's a different conversation if the team is still intact by 95, but I'm still thinking they're some vulnerabilities just because of how gruelling a 5peat attempt would have been especially in that era. I mean, Golden State broke down at the end of their run this year in a far less physical playing environment even with modern medicine/training advantages.

[guy]

My scenario is based on the premise that Grant leaves even if MJ stays( IIRC he wasn't particularly happy by the end of his time with Chicago but I stand to be corrected), and Rodman kind of fell into their lap in 95 after wearing out his welcome in San Antonio. So the question is..what available power forward 'of consequence' fills that void in 95? It's a different conversation if the team is still intact by 95, but I'm still thinking they're some vulnerabilities just because of how gruelling a 5peat attempt would have been especially in that era. I mean, Golden State broke down at the end of their run this year in a far less physical playing environment even with modern medicine/training advantages.

True about Grant, but he was a role player and not really that irreplaceable. I

[ralph_i_el]

You can play the quote game going either way.







94 would have been nice to see because we still had Grant so there was toughness inside. 95? No Grant or Rodman(not that Rodman helped Drob when Hakeem owned him)?

95 would have been tough.


So Hakeem thinks MJ is the GOAT, but because nobody on the Bulls could matchup with him, he wasn't afraid of them as a team. Sounds about right

[Hey Yo]

But the 1995 Bulls were worse in large part because Jordan wasn't in basketball shape. They still came close to beating the Magic. The other obvious factor is that Grant was gone and they hadn't replaced him yet.

Who knows whether a Jordan with a full training camp and season under his belt would have been enough to flip the result. I believe that it would have been the case but we could just as easily say that fatigue would have played a role after so many consecutive trips to the finals.
Don't be ignorant.

No way in hell he comes back if he didn't think he was in basketball shape.

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=guy]True about Grant, but he was a role player and not really that irreplaceable. I

[Spurs m8]

Feared a guy who could only do something when MJ was out of the league.

Sure

[Mr Feeny]

MJ wasn't in such bad shape. He put up 55 at MSG a few games after coming back and averaged 30+ in the playoffs. No Grant was a big factor though and I was assuming identical rosters. I don't see the 1995 Bulls winning a title against the Rockets.

This can't be a serious post. You're not really arguing that Jordan was in great shape because he went off in one game while shooting 41% (lowest ever as a Bull) for the season, and openly struggling with his stamina.

A guy just came into a sport, with no training camp, played 17 games and then went directly into the playoffs. He was nowhere near game shape. We saw what happened when he did have time to get into shape, though.

[Facepalm]

Feared a guy who could only do something when MJ was out of the league.

Sure
All this time I thought he just hated Harden, but this guy's hate for the Rockets actually goes back decades :oldlol:

It makes so much sense now.


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[Spurs m8]

All this time I thought he just hated Harden, but this guy's hate for the Rockets actually goes back decades :oldlol:

It makes so much sense now.


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Truth hurt you, boy?

[Facepalm]

Truth hurt you, boy?




After a loss on his home floor at Chicago Stadium in 1993, Jordan said, "We have no answer for the big guy. It's a good thing they won't ever make it to the (NBA) Finals, because I don't think we could beat them."

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[RRR3]

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Very non alpha response by MJ. How will TheMan spin this one?

[TheMan]

Very non alpha response by MJ. How will TheMan spin this one?
MJ respected the hell outta the Dream :confusedshrug:

And Hakeem considers Mike the GOAT, says he's far superior to James (his words).

Would've been nice to have seen a Rockets Bulls Finals...everyone keys in on the fact that the Rockets went 5-1 vs the Bulls in the RS from 91-93 but totally ignore the fact that the Bulls went 5-1 against the Rockets from 96 to 98 during the second threepeat :confusedshrug:

[TheBranStan]

2ball avoiding this thread like the plague :eek:

[Manny98]

Look at these Jordansexuals 1* my thread :roll:

[paksat]

Your boy couldn't even get past Orlando in 95 :oldlol:

Hakeem was waiting for MJ and he didn't show up


your boy couldn't even get 4 titles :roll:

[guy]

This thread is silly and no one ducked anyone, but between Jordan and Hakeem, how is it Jordan that ducked Hakeem? He gave him 6 opportunities to meet him in the finals?? The argument would be that Hakeem waited for Jordan to leave the league and then didn

[paksat]

[QUOTE=guy]This thread is silly and no one ducked anyone, but between Jordan and Hakeem, how is it Jordan that ducked Hakeem? He gave him 6 opportunities to meet him in the finals?? The argument would be that Hakeem waited for Jordan to leave the league and then didn

[Phoenix]

This thread is silly and no one ducked anyone, but between Jordan and Hakeem, how is it Jordan that ducked Hakeem? He gave him 6 opportunities to meet him in the finals?? The argument would be that Hakeem waited for Jordan to leave the league and then didn’t want to face him when Jordan came back. Of course I don’t actually believe that but if anyone was ducking anyone, how was it Jordan :oldlol: ?

To suggest that MJ was ducking Hakeem in 94 infers that he somehow knew Hakeem was getting to the finals that year lol. You'd assume the 94 finals favorites from the West would have been Phoenix again, after that Houston was no more a lock to break through than a team like the Sonics. The trolls overlook that Seattle beat Houston both before they won the title in 93, and ended their reign in 96( via a sweep).

And to top it off, MJ returns in 95 AFTER Hakeem won the title and was considered the best in the league. If he was ducking him he wouldn't returned at all, or at least not when the Rockets were the defending champions. :facepalm

[TheMan]

This thread is silly and no one ducked anyone, but between Jordan and Hakeem, how is it Jordan that ducked Hakeem? He gave him 6 opportunities to meet him in the finals?? The argument would be that Hakeem waited for Jordan to leave the league and then didn’t want to face him when Jordan came back. Of course I don’t actually believe that but if anyone was ducking anyone, how was it Jordan :oldlol: ?
And no one is talking about how MJ kind of backhanded dissed the Rockets when he said and I'm paraphrasing, that they just have no answer for the big guy but thankfully they'll never make the Finals because he doesn't believe they could beat them...:lol Obviously Mike was wrong when Hakeem led them to two straight Finals but no one else notices that slight? lol

[sdot_thadon]

To suggest that MJ was ducking Hakeem in 94 infers that he somehow knew Hakeem was getting to the finals that year lol. You'd assume the 94 finals favorites from the West would have been Phoenix again, after that Houston was no more a lock to break through than a team like the Sonics. The trolls overlook that Seattle beat Houston both before they won the title in 93, and ended their reign in 96( via a sweep).

And to top it off, MJ returns in 95 AFTER Hakeem won the title and was considered the best in the league. If he was ducking him he wouldn't returned at all, or at least not when the Rockets were the defending champions. :facepalm
Truth.

I can add the west had a high level of parity as far as teams not being exactly great but having several teams that were pretty good. Phoenix, Utah, Houston, San Antonio and Seattle were battling each other for MJ's whole era basically. (not so much phoenix after Barkley left for Houston obviously) Seattle just had our number for the most part, I imagine if we'd have faced them in 94 or 95 we might not be champs. But that doesn't mean the 94 or 95 team wouldn't have given Chicago trouble, in this city we feel pretty confident we'd have beat them both years.

[LostCause]

To suggest that MJ was ducking Hakeem in 94 infers that he somehow knew Hakeem was getting to the finals that year lol. You'd assume the 94 finals favorites from the West would have been Phoenix again, after that Houston was no more a lock to break through than a team like the Sonics. The trolls overlook that Seattle beat Houston both before they won the title in 93, and ended their reign in 96( via a sweep).

And to top it off, MJ returns in 95 AFTER Hakeem won the title and was considered the best in the league. If he was ducking him he wouldn't returned at all, or at least not when the Rockets were the defending champions. :facepalm

This is called using logic. You're asking too much here

Jordan feared facing Hakeem so he became omniscient and could presuxt Hakeem would win the next season so he retired. He feared him so much he came back to a barely .500 Bulls team that lost Grant the year after Hakeem won MVP, DPOY and the Championship.
Ducked him!

:roll:

[Phoenix]

This is called using logic. You're asking too much here

Jordan feared facing Hakeem so he became omniscient and could presuxt Hakeem would win the next season so he retired. He feared him so much he came back to a barely .500 Bulls team that lost Grant the year after Hakeem won MVP, DPOY and the Championship.
Ducked him!

:roll:

Now you're getting it. And to top it off, MJ decided to come back for the 95-96 season because he had advance knowledge that Houston would get swept in the second round, so it was safe to return. It all checks out. :oldlol:

[Da_Realist]

This is called using logic. You're asking too much here.

That's because this place has become an echo chamber for stupidity and conspiracy theories.

[Phoenix]

Truth.

I can add the west had a high level of parity as far as teams not being exactly great but having several teams that were pretty good. Phoenix, Utah, Houston, San Antonio and Seattle were battling each other for MJ's whole era basically. (not so much phoenix after Barkley left for Houston obviously) Seattle just had our number for the most part, I imagine if we'd have faced them in 94 or 95 we might not be champs. But that doesn't mean the 94 or 95 team wouldn't have given Chicago trouble, in this city we feel pretty confident we'd have beat them both years.

Exactly. Those teams for the most part were separated by a few ball bounces here and there. Houston beats Phoenix, who beat Seattle, who beat....Houston.

[3ball]

Didn't Hakeem say he himself was scared of mj?

That MJ was the lion of the jungle or something and couldn't be touched

He also said that MJ is "far" superior to lebron.. his words, not mine (although I'm looked at as crazy for thinking lebron isn't close)

Btw, i have about 4-5 gifs showing mj dunking over Hakeem and Hakeem scared to jump and literally cowering away

[egokiller]

Meh, that's Horry talking shit, let's ask Hakeem himself, he says MJ is the GOAT and a "far far superior player to LeBron James..." Even goes on to say comparing LeBron to MJ is an unfair comparison to James :roll:

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You destroyed that McD loving Pinoy just 3 posts in. :roll:

[Manny98]

you know it's only a matter of time before Phoenix and Lost Cause pop up to defend their nostalgia

:yaohappy:
^ got the entire Jordan fam coming to defend their god in this thread :roll:

[Phoenix]

^ got the entire Jordan fam coming to defend their god in this thread :roll:

With you and Lamebruh offering your usual retarded and easily debunked bullshit. So basically, just another day at the office( or for you, some boat out in the pacific).

[Manny98]

Go ahead because it's not true

Jordan being scared of Hakeem on the other hand...

After a loss on his home floor at Chicago Stadium in 1993, Jordan said, "We have no answer for the big guy. It's a good thing they won't ever make it to the (NBA) Finals, because I don't think we could beat them."
That quote from MJ proves Jordan was shook at the thought of playing Keem in the finals :roll:

You didn't debunk anything old guy

[Soundwave]

Game recoginizes game.

That said I don't think the Rockets as a team would beat the Bulls even if Hakeem got his.

They barely beat the Knicks, needing a hilariously bad game 7 from John Starks to seal the deal and then took advantage of an inexperienced, mentally weak Orlando team that fell apart on themselves.

[Elosha]

Game recoginizes game.

That said I don't think the Rockets as a team would beat the Bulls even if Hakeem got his.

They barely beat the Knicks, needing a hilariously bad game 7 from John Starks to seal the deal and then took advantage of an inexperienced, mentally weak Orlando team that fell apart on themselves.

Goof points. I'm on the fence about the Bulls chances in 95, but do believe they would have beaten them in 94, with Jordan.

People look at Jordan's overall stats and think, he was just as good in 95 after coming out of retirement. But he wasn't. His wind was not as good, his ballhandling and finishing ability slightly off, his shot was flatter, and he was -- for the only time in his entire career -- tentative in the clutch. His reflexes and his endurance had trained for baseball for two years, and he was no spring chicken coming back out of retirement at 33. And he really had not enough time to adjust to his new teammates such as Kukoc, and vice versa. The Bulls were very good with Jordan but not great. And of course losing Horace plus having to play against him was a double blow in the ECF semifinals.

You can see how all of this affected him in the playoffs. It wasn't just Jordan getting the ball stolen by Nick Anderson in game 1 when the Bulls should have/could have won (and Jordan played not very well the entire game), it was the follow up possession, where Jordan not only didn't take the open mid-range shot to win, he passed to Pippen and threw it behind him for another turnover. It wasn't a bad play, Pippen was open, but Jordan' pass was way off which is something that rarely occurred when Jordan was sharp and at full skill level. Also Jordan had a pretty clean look at the gw shot himself, which is something he'd rarely pass up normally.

Although Jordan had some great games in game 2, 4 and 5, he still made crucial mistakes in game 6 that probably cost the Bulls the game. His numbers were quite good in game 6, but in the last minutes of the game, with the Bulls winning but Orlando pressing, Jordan missed I believe two easy finger roll lay up attempts after beating his man in the post These were shots he'd normally make 9/10 times. And he drove twice in the last minutes of the game and turned the ball over basically unforced from his own bad ball handling.

You could just tell watching him that it was starting to come together but it wasn't all there yet. It's like he would play very well in stretches but you could still see glitches in his game that would show up at the worst possible time.

But Jordan got it basically all back in the off season. He put in massive work, the Bulls also got Rodman, and the rest is history.

I'm on the fence about the Rockets. I can't imagine the strain of 4 peating and 5 peating, the physical and emotional grind are staggering. Still, if Jordan doesn't retire in 94, I think the Bulls likely take the 94 Rockets in 6 or 7, depending on who had home court. Honestly, I think the Bulls probably take it in 6, they were so much more experienced than the Rockets, who just barely beat the Knicks. NY was very tough but Jordan beat them every time. I think over the course of 7 games, they would have worn Houston down. I give the Bulls about 6/10 odds to win.

In 95, assuming Grant left, it would be ... difficult. Exhaustion, lack of interior strength, new players. Even with Jordan, there's no absolute guarantee they get past Orlando, or the Knicks or Indiana. Still, I'd put money on Jordan. Against Houston in the Finals? Really tough, I'll say 50/50. Gun to my head, I might go with Houston. They would be so hungry for a title if the Bulls beat them in 94, and would be playing out of their minds. MJ would definitely outplay Drexler, but Maxwell and Drexler would make him work. Without Grant, they'd struggle mightily with Hakeem. He dominated Grant when they played, but Grant could at least make him work for his points. Without Grant, Bulls would have an extremely tough time

[And1AllDay]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9TItcESf1Y

Hakeem has a winning record against MJ as well, lol at these retards acting like Jordan would have beaten Keem if he didn't retire

MJ was to shook to even face Hakeem :roll:

Ouch :oldlol:

[tontoz]

Bulls had stiffs at center. Houston was a bad matchup for them. Jordan was just acknowledging reality.

If i remember right the Lakers were the only easy Finals win the Bulls ever had, and Worthy was hurt. Pretty sure all the rest went 6 games. They werent steamrolling the West.

Houston would have been a tough series for sure.

[Manny98]

After a loss on his home floor at Chicago Stadium in 1993, Jordan said, "We have no answer for the big guy. It's a good thing they won't ever make it to the (NBA) Finals, because I don't think we could beat them."
Honestly might be the most beta quote I have ever heard from a ATG

Imagine being that relieved that you didn't have to face Hakeem in the finals :facepalm

#notmygoat

[Rico2016]

Honestly might be the most beta quote I have ever heard from a ATG

Imagine being that relieved that you didn't have to face Hakeem in the finals :facepalm

#notmygoat

Pathetic for sure. MJ was truly shook by Isiah, Larry, and Akeem

[Bronbron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9TItcESf1Y

Hakeem has a winning record against MJ as well, lol at these retards acting like Jordan would have beaten Keem if he didn't retire

MJ was to shook to even face Hakeem :roll:
What's the point dude? Hakeem was a great center. Great centers are tough to beat. As a Lebron fan you should know this from all the losses he took against good big men. He took his share of losses from Duncan, Wallace, kg and even Howard. None of them with the exception of maybe Duncan were as good as Hakeem so I'm really not sure what your agenda is here.

[Manny98]

What's the point dude? Hakeem was a great center. Great centers are tough to beat. As a Lebron fan you should know this from all the losses he took against good big men. He took his share of losses from Duncan, Wallace, kg and even Howard. None of them with the exception of maybe Duncan were as good as Hakeem so I'm really not sure what your agenda is here.
Except that LeBron beat Duncan and KG whilst MJ couldn't beat Hakeem (1-5 from 91-93)

Also LeBron never came out and said thathe was relieved not to face anyone in the finals

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dollar Tree Will Smith playing up to the cameras.

Jordan waited for Hakeem from 1991-93. And came back in 1995.

"Feared" :oldlol: Houston and Chicago would've been a damn good finals tho. No argument there.

[egokiller]

Mind you, Hakeem isn't just saying MJ > LeBron, in his opinion, it's not even close :roll:

Thanks Manny98, thought about posting Hakeem's opinion on MJ > LeBron but didn't do it after MJ throttled James ass on the latest ISH GOAT list poll, thought it would just be overkill at that point :lol

Manny slipped up on one of his alts and had Lebron at 11 and MJ at 1. Take what he says on his manny account and other alts for what it is, troll accounts.:lol

[ImKobe]

Bulls had stiffs at center. Houston was a bad matchup for them. Jordan was just acknowledging reality.

If i remember right the Lakers were the only easy Finals win the Bulls ever had, and Worthy was hurt. Pretty sure all the rest went 6 games. They werent steamrolling the West.

Houston would have been a tough series for sure.

A tough series indeed. Too bad Grant left the Bulls in '94 or else we would have had a Finals for the ages in '95.

[Rico2016]

Manny slipped up on one of his alts and had Lebron at 11 and MJ at 1. Take what he says on his manny account and other alts for what it is, troll accounts.:lol

False I never said that

[rmt]

The true test might be the answer to the question: would I trade my career for X's? I would guess that every player would trade for MJ's and MJ would trade for no one's.

[Bronbron23]

Except that LeBron beat Duncan and KG whilst MJ couldn't beat Hakeem (1-5 from 91-93)

Also LeBron never came out and said thathe was relieved not to face anyone in the finals
Reg season don't mean anything though so the 1-5 is irrelevant.

And LeBron maybe never said he feared anyone in those exact words but he did say something similar about the warriors band he all but said that about kawhi with his body language the time he was on the line and kawhi checked in. And that's against a guy who he was actually going up against. Mj didn't fear Hakeem himself. He just knew his centers had no chance against him and it would be a tough matchup for the bulls as a team.

What Bron did on the foul line was way worse tbh but neither is that big of a deal really.

[Smoke117]

Bulls had stiffs at center. Houston was a bad matchup for them. Jordan was just acknowledging reality.

If i remember right the Lakers were the only easy Finals win the Bulls ever had, and Worthy was hurt. Pretty sure all the rest went 6 games. They werent steamrolling the West.

Houston would have been a tough series for sure.

Not sure it would have really mattered. David Robinson was one of the best defensive players in the world in 95 and Hakeem ate him up in that series. You, frankly, just let Dream get his while you shut down everyone else. He can only do so much...especially when he has to be fed the ball. Pippen could made it a real hard time to get a pass into Hakeem with his help defense. It would also be a good idea to put him on Kenny Smith in general. In 94 the Bulls beat the Rockets. They were 1-1, but the loss doesn't even matter since that win the Rockets got was when Pippen was injured. In the Bulls win he had 25pts 12rebs 6assist 2stl 1blk on 57%fg.

[houston]

man rockets didn't have enough wing scoring to compete with the Bulls.

[Rico2016]

man rockets didn't have enough wing scoring to compete with the Bulls.

Jordan was scared.

[RealSkipBayless]

Jordan was scared.
Pretty much. :confusedshrug:

[72-10]

Hakeem usually gave MJ trouble in the paint no argument there

As for the game, I think any incarnation of the Bulls would still probably win because the Rockets relied too much on just Hakeem. Cassell was a great jump shooter, but he didn't really have that shot down pat that first year, 1993-94. So, Bulls could just let Hakeem get his, which he'll do regardless of who's in the paint for the Bulls, I mean he put Shaq on wheels in '95, and shut down the other players. Meanwhile, the Bulls had too much offensive firepower and defensive clampdowns between Jordan, Pippen, Armstrong and Grant, even if Grant leaves after '93.

Armstrong and Paxson compliment MJ for scoring from the wing and they could pop the three with Pip running the point-forward. I mean mid-90s Bulls is one of the best jump shooting teams of all time. Houston doesn't really have the defensive answer for the triangle.

[AirBonner]

MJ himself said something to the tune of