Who has the most MVP snubs?

[NBAGOAT]

Expect some troll answers but hoping for some legit ones too. Give me 2 answers.

1. Only including years where it was an obvious mvp snub in your opinion from voter fatigue or something else

2. Including years where the guy in question has a good argument but so does the guy who won and/or someone else

[brooks_thompson]

For part 2, the obvious answer is Harden with 3 ('15, '17, '19). I couldn't fault anyone who chose him in those years.

[LoneyROY7]

1. Harden

2. Harden

[NBAGOAT]

For part 2, the obvious answer is Harden with 3 ('15, '17, '19). I couldn't fault anyone who chose him in those years.

well i dont mean just current players either. Harden's a great answer however that I kind of overlooked.

[brooks_thompson]

For part 1, I honestly can't think of many straightforward snubs. The guy who won always had a case. But yes, Derrick Rose's MVP over Lebron or Dwight (I forget who had the better year) will always be rickety due to the obvious Lebron fatigue factor.

[NBAGOAT]

like i was even considering mj for part 2. Has good arguments for 90, 93, 97; maybe one of those years he feels like he should be a clear favorite.

[brooks_thompson]

well i dont mean just current players either. Harden's a great answer however that I kind of overlooked.

Sure, but I didn't start watching til '93 and didn't start keeping up with it seriously til 95-96, and even then, I was a biased 10-year-old. I don't feel like I have the authority to drag up anything earlier and make those judgements...just didn't/haven't seen enough.

People always talk about the Robinson over Hakeem one though, since Hakeem destroyed him in the playoffs. So there's another I guess. But I don't know if any case can truly fall into category 1.

[SouBeachTalents]

I honestly can't think of an example that applies for the first one. I don't remember an obvious or clear cut candidate not winning the award

For the 2nd one, Shaq & Harden come to mind

[NBAGOAT]

I honestly can't think of an example that applies for the first one. I don't remember an obvious or clear cut candidate not winning the award

For the 2nd one, Shaq & Harden come to mind

i dont either but i'm looking for some subjectivity here. Like a kobe fan who thinks he definitely should've won it in 06.

[GimmeThat]

intellectually you're seeking an answer to "if you really enjoy what it is that you do, is it really considered working?"

[LAmbruh]

Is this a joke? :oldlol:


Easily Lebron


16 seasons and only 4 MVPs? :roll:


He's been dragging dumpster rosters DEEP in the post season before he could legally buy booze :hammerhead:


only being held back last yr to season ending injury

[Bawkish]

like i was even considering mj for part 2. Has good arguments for 90, 93, 97; maybe one of those years he feels like he should be a clear favorite.

probably Barkley in 90 over Magic

or Hakeem in 95 over DRob (deserved to win back to back)

[BigShotBob]

1) Closest would be Iverson over Shaq as far as I can tell. I think it was a big surprise at the time,

2) Malone robbed Jordan, and Barkley robbed Jordan.

[superduper]

1) King James

2) King James

[AussieSteve]

1990 Barkley is the most obvious one. The wrong person was given the award that year. Speaking nothing about who desreved the award, because you could argue that maguc, barkley or Jordan were each deserving, it was wrong because it was influenced by biased voters who rigged the deck to ensure that Magic won and Barkley didn't, by leaving Barkley off their ballot.

I mean how do you get 38 first place votes, yet come 2nd to someone who got 27 first place votes?

[SpaceJam]

It's a joke Shaq only has one

[pegasus]

For part 1, I honestly can't think of many straightforward snubs. The guy who won always had a case. But yes, Derrick Rose's MVP over Lebron or Dwight (I forget who had the better year) will always be rickety due to the obvious Lebron fatigue factor.
BS. Even Lebron said himself that Rose was the MVP, and you know how egotistical he is. That was the year Lebron was getting stuffed at the end of every close game. He missed like 11 last second shots, lay-ups, got blocked, etc. in a row. And in the meantime Rose was taking over in almost every fourth quarter of close games. Only Dirk could have had a case over him, but he missed too many games.

[Mr Feeny]

1990 Barkley is the most obvious one. The wrong person was given the award that year. Speaking nothing about who desreved the award, because you could argue that maguc, barkley or Jordan were each deserving, it was wrong because it was influenced by biased voters who rigged the deck to ensure that Magic won and Barkley didn't, by leaving Barkley off their ballot.

I mean how do you get 38 first place votes, yet come 2nd to someone who got 27 first place votes?

Yeah I agree. I also had Jordan over Magic that year, but it is what it is.

[thefatmiral]

Kawhi 16-17. That was the year warriors took him out.

[DaHeezy]

Jason Kidd had a couple years where he was robbed. Steve Nash level production

[Stringer Bell]

probably Barkley in 90 over Magic

or Hakeem in 95 over DRob (deserved to win back to back)

Robinson had a great regular season too though. Houston struggled during the regular season so that probably lost Hakeem votes.

The MVP voting was dominated by centers

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1995.html

Or the year before, when Hakeem did win and Robinson finished second
https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_1994.html

[Elosha]

like i was even considering mj for part 2. Has good arguments for 90, 93, 97; maybe one of those years he feels like he should be a clear favorite.

Jordan for MVP is quite arguable for 1989 as well. Magic was great, but Jordan had his best statistical year, arguably. But the Bulls only won 47 in regular season, which is likely why he lost. Still, the Bulls were far better than their record indicated, beating the Cav and Knicks and losing a hard fought ECF series to Detroit in 6. Given the fact that Detroit swept LA, it's fairly reasonable to think the Bulls could have won that series.

[Overdrive]

It's a joke Shaq only has one

2005 was a snub and '99 maybe. 2001 AI was too obvious storywise.



Jason Kidd had a couple years where he was robbed. Steve Nash level production

2002, but Duncan was legit.

[90sgoat]

It's a joke Shaq only has one

Perennial loser who got swept by this guy twice:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/21/68/482168aee720e600f58d15b719bf25aa.jpg

[guy]

Well I personally think the MVP should always just be the best player in the league, provided they play 70+ games in the season minus a few exceptions (Steph in '16 for example). So with that said, Jordan should've won in 89, 90, 93 and 97 as well.

But based on how the MVP is usually voted on, there's not a lot of snubs. Only ones I can think of are:

Barkley in 90
Jordan in 97
Harden in 17

[Manny98]

LeBron in

2008
2011
2018

Also got snubbed for DPOY in 2012 & 2013

[AussieSteve]

Surprised no one has brought up 2008.

CP3 should have won that year over Kobe. It was a case of guy who'd been great for a long time getting votes over a young up and coming great, even though the young guy had the better and more deserving season.

Notice that, even with all the kobetards on here, no one has claimed that kobe was snubbed any years. He literally has a 15-20 all time resume. In 20 years, wasn't once deserving of the most valuable player award.

[NBAGOAT]

Surprised no one has brought up 2008.

CP3 should have won that year over Kobe. It was a case of guy who'd been great for a long time getting votes over a young up and coming great, even though the young guy had the better and more deserving season.

Notice that, even with all the kobetards on here, no one has claimed that kobe was snubbed any years. He literally has a 15-20 all time resume. In 20 years, wasn't once deserving of the most valuable player award.

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[sammichoffate]

Kobe and Shaq should have more.

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron

2011, 2015, 2017, 2018

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe and Shaq should have more.

gawd dammit do you ever grow up?

How tf should Kobe have more??

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron

2011, 2015, 2017, 2018

Lebron literally has no argument in any of those seasons.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe and Shaq should have more.

Which seasons in particular do you think he got snubbed? We'll go through them one by one and see which player in the NBA at that time had the best case.

Just list the seasons in which you think Kobe should have been the MVP. List 2008 as well because we'll be discussing that.

[SpaceJam]

Perennial loser who got swept by this guy twice:

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/48/21/68/482168aee720e600f58d15b719bf25aa.jpg

Than why does MJ get awards for being swept by this guy

https://www.sikids.com/sites/default/files/sikids/pages/images/cms/imce/users/thewiz/2014/01/rick-carlisle-celtics.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

Lebron literally has no argument in any of those seasons.

literally bro

[Manny98]

Lebron literally has no argument in any of those seasons.
LeBron definitely deserved it over Frauden in 2018

https://i.postimg.cc/sD1t6nYZ/Ddc-H2ty-V0-AAkio-T.jpg

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron definitely deserved it over Frauden in 2018

https://i.postimg.cc/sD1t6nYZ/Ddc-H2ty-V0-AAkio-T.jpg

Yeah, cumulative totals are proof. For sure.

Stick to your Lebron hating alt, kid.

[Manny98]

LeBron carried a far bigger load than Harden, he willed his team into the playoffs by himself

Harden has zero argument over LeBron in 2018

[Mr Feeny]

LeBron carried a far bigger load than Harden, he willed his team into the playoffs by himself

Harden has zero argument over LeBron in 2018

Deflecting, I see. Nice of your to scramble to delete your post last night but RRR exposed you when he quoted it. Now, tell us more about how Lebron is 11th all time.

[AussieSteve]

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