Exposing mj and the shortened 3 point line myth

[Bronbron23]

People talk about how mj benefited from the shortened three point line but it's a huge lie. When people say this they try to make it sound like mj played his whole career with the shorter line but it was only shortened during mj's second three peat years. Here are the numbers in the post season that totally crush this myth.

Post season Shortened three point line efficiency:

95-37%
96-40%
97-19%
Average= 32%

Finals:
96- 32%
97- 32%
Average 32%

Post season longer three point line efficiency:
85-13%
86-100%
87-40%
88-33%
89-29%
90-32%
91-39%
92-39%
93-39%
Average- 40% even if you take out 85 and 86 which are outliers it be 36%


Finals:
91- 50%
92- 43%
93- 40%
Average- 44%

As you can see in the post season when mj tried his hardest he was actually way better from the regulation three point line so how exactly did the shortened three point line benefit mj?

[Manny98]

MJ is a career 33% 3 point shooter

The seasons he played with a WNBA 3 point line he shot...

50%
42%
37%

And then the season they stretched the line back to normal it went down to 24%

So obviously his percentages clearly benefited from a shortened line

I don't know why you Jordan stans keep bringing up his finals 3 point percentages like it actually means something with such a small sample size foh with your "MJ is a elite 3 point shooter when he actually tries" bs

[Bronbron23]

MJ is a career 33% 3 point shooter

The seasons he played with a WNBA 3 point line he shot...

50%
42%
37%

And then the season they stretched the line back to normal it went down to 24%

So obviously his percentages clearly benefited from a shortened line

I don't know why you Jordan stans keep bringing up his finals 3 point percentages like it actually means something with such a small sample size foh with your "MJ is a elite 3 point shooter when he actually tries" bs
I actually have you his entire post season numbers also which is actually a pretty big sample size and more of a true test so try again bro

[LAmbruh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM


Ordan putting on a clinic :bowdown:

[Manny98]

I actually have you his entire post season numbers also which is actually a pretty big sample size and more of a true test so try again bro
And he's still only a career 33% from 3 point in the postseason as well off a whopping 2 attempts a game :oldlol:

[Bronbron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM


Ordan putting on a clinic :bowdown:
So I give you numbers from the post season and finals and you come back with a meaningless all star game performance? Good comeback :facepalm

[Manny98]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM


Ordan putting on a clinic :bowdown:
"he wasn't trying doe" - Jordan stans :lol

[Bronbron23]

And he's still only a career 33% from 3 point in the postseason as well off a whopping 2 attempts a game :oldlol:
So mj barely shot or worked on shooting threes but he was still as good as LeBron who works on it all the time. Good argument bro :facepalm

[superduper]

The fact that MJ wasn't a good 3pt shooter (by today's standards) yet still the best scorer ever is a testament to his greatness if anything.

Bran stans to dense to get it :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM


Ordan putting on a clinic :bowdown:
Didn't midget Kevin Hart make more 3's than MJ a few years back in the 3pt contest??

[ZMonkey11]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsjukb2NttM


Ordan putting on a clinic :bowdown:

At least Jordan had the confidence to put himself out there. True GOAT confidence.

[Hey Yo]

At least Jordan had the confidence to put himself out there. True GOAT confidence.
He knew he had no chance of winning. He did it for the exposure. Trying to make a name for himself and build his brand.

[Bronbron23]

Didn't midget Kevin Hart make more 3's than MJ a few years back in the 3pt contest??So I show you how successful mj was in the post season and finals from three and all these clowns can come back with is a all star three point performance.

What's the next comeback? A video of mj missing threes in a charity game :facepalm

[bigkingsfan]

So I show you how successful mj was in the post season and finals from three and all these clowns can come back with is a all star three point performance.

What's the next comeback? A video of mj missing threes in a charity game :facepalm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k

As you can see, John Rogers exposes MJ lack of range.

[Bronbron23]

And the point wasn't to say mj was a great three point shooter. It was just to show how he in no way benefited from the Shortened three point line, which is a common belief on this forum.

[Manny98]

So mj barely shot or worked on shooting threes but he was still as good as LeBron who works on it all the time. Good argument bro :facepalm
look how quickly they start attacking LeBron, typical Jordan stan defense mechanism :roll:

btw how would you know how much MJ worked on his 3 point shot? were you right there in the gym with him as he was practicing :oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

I don't even understand what the argument is here. Op are you saying it's not in fact easier to make shots at a closer range?

[Bronbron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k

As you can see, John Rogers exposes MJ lack of range.
Ok so we have an all star performance and a game of mj playing one on one in his 40's. Great comebacks guys :facepalm

[Phoenix]

MJ 'benefiting' from the 3point line would only make sense if:

1) He didn't win a single championship, let alone 3 of them, until the line moved in, to which one could *reasonably* correlate the shortened 3 point line with him 'suddenly' winning championships.

2) The rest of the league, including better 3point shooters than him, didn't have access to the same shortened 3point line and therefore no ability to leverage it to their advantage as MJ supposedly did. Why wasn't Reggie Miller winning championships in 95, 96 or 97? Certainly a shorter 3point line would have made it 'easier' for someone who was really a great 3point shooter?

3) He didn't win the championship in 98 once the line had moved BACK to his original length, showing the shortened line wasn't a necessity for his 96 and 97 championships, just as they weren't for his 91, 92, and 93 titles.

So in closing, 4 of MJs 6 championships were won at the longer distance. One can reasonably opinionate that the other 2 would have been won at the longer distance as well.

[Hey Yo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5B7U74Dg04k

As you can see, John Rogers exposes MJ lack of range.
In before OP points out the two 3's MJ drained in that video.

[Bronbron23]

I don't even understand what the argument is here. Op are you saying it's not in fact easier to make shots at a closer range?
The argument is simple actually. There is a common belief amongst Jordan haters that mj benefited from the shortened three point line but I proved that that is a false narrative because mj actually shot better from three in the post season when the three point line was regulation.

As far as it being easier to shoot from farther out I'm not really sure. That wasn't my point. In general it's easier the closer you are but It's probably different for everyone depending on where you are on the floor. I know they showed a stat from Damian Lillard's post season this year and he shot a higher percentage from way past the three point line than from mid-range or right as the three point line. I have think Steph is as good from three than he is from mid range also.

[Manny98]

MJ 'benefiting' from the 3point line would only make sense if:

1) He didn't win a single championship, let alone 3 of them, until the line moved in, to which one could *reasonably* correlate the shortened 3 point line with him 'suddenly' winning championships.

2) The rest of the league, including better 3point shooters than him, didn't have access to the same shortened 3point line and therefore no ability to leverage it to their advantage as MJ supposedly did. Why wasn't Reggie Miller winning championships in 95, 96 or 97? Certainly a shorter 3point line would have made it 'easier' for someone who was really a great 3point shooter?

3) He didn't win the championship in 98 once the line had moved BACK to his original length, showing the shortened line wasn't a necessity for his 96 and 97 championships, just as they weren't for his 91, 92, and 93 titles.

So in closing, 4 of MJs 6 championships were won at the longer distance. One can reasonably opinionate that the other 6 would have been won at the longer distance as well.
He did benefit a career 33% shooter jumps to 43% his first full season with a WNBA 3 point line lol how is that not benefiting :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

He did benefit a career 33% shooter jumps to 43% his first full season with a WNBA 3 point line lol how is that not benefiting :oldlol:

He shot under 25% in 98 and won the title. It only benefited his 'percentages' in those seasons, it didn't impact whether or not he won the championship you retarded inbreed. It's like you missed the point that 4 out of 6 titles were won at the longer line....or ignored....either way its your ignorance.

[Bronbron23]

He did benefit a career 33% shooter jumps to 43% his first full season with a WNBA 3 point line lol how is that not benefiting :oldlol:
Ok so he benefited in the regular season then is what your saying because as I've shown it didn't benefit him the post season and thus in winning chips so how exactly did it benefit him?

[Manny98]

He shot under 25% in 98 and won the title. It only benefited his 'percentages' in those seasons, it didn't impact whether or not he won the championship you retarded inbreed. It's like you missed the point that 4 out of 6 titles were won at the longer line....or ignored....either way its your ignorance.
Yes it benefited his percentages i rest my case

[Phoenix]

Yes it benefited his percentages i rest my case

I wasn't arguing that, so what case are you resting? I said the shorter line had no bearing on his ability to win championships. Do you have a counter to that, considering 4 of 6 titles were won at the longer line? Take your time and come up with something better than a 5 year old's retort

[Phoenix]

MJ thread? First post? Manny. 4th? Lambruh

2ezy :applause: :applause:

[Manny98]

I wasn't arguing that, so what case are you resting? I said the shorter line had no bearing on his ability to win championships. Do you have a counter to that, considering 4 of 6 titles were won at the longer line? Take your time and come up with something better than a 5 year old's retort
Df are you blabbering about

OP tried making a point that MJ didn't benefit from a shortened line when he clearly did as you even said so yourself as his percentages increased

[Phoenix]

Df are you blabbering about

OP tried making a point that MJ didn't benefit from a shortened line when he clearly did as you even said so yourself as his percentages increased

And I'm making the point that who gives a fukk what he shot from 3 as if it kept him from winning championships. There's a lot of better 3point shooters who won jackshit, so the entire 'MJ wasn't a 3 point shooter' is dumb anyways. What would being a better 3point shooter have done? Gotten him 7 titles instead of 6? You want him to be even more 'GOATER' so you have more reason to go off yourself in mommys basement? It's a pointless argument in the context of his career.

[Bronbron23]

Yes it benefited his percentages i rest my case
You mean it benefited his regular season percentages right? Because as I've shown it didn't benefit him in the post season what so ever.

[3ball]

If I'm not mistaken, MJ's 3-point percentage from the regular line in the playoffs > Lebron's 3-point percentage in the playoffs

MJ's percentage from the shorter line actually lowered his 3-point percentage below Lebron's overall in the playoffs.

[LostCause]

MJ is a career 33% 3 point shooter

The seasons he played with a WNBA 3 point line he shot...

50%
42%
37%

And then the season they stretched the line back to normal it went down to 24%

So obviously his percentages clearly benefited from a shortened line

I don't know why you Jordan stans keep bringing up his finals 3 point percentages like it actually means something with such a small sample size foh with your "MJ is a elite 3 point shooter when he actually tries" bs

A non-moron way to look at it is to see that Jordan

[Phoenix]

[QUOTE=LostCause]A non-moron way to look at it is to see that Jordan

[Bronbron23]

If I'm not mistaken, MJ's 3-point percentage from the regular line in the playoffs > Lebron's 3-point percentage in the playoffs

MJ's percentage from the shorter line actually lowered his 3-point percentage below Lebron's overall in the playoffs.
I don't think it put mj's below LeBron's. I think they're actually identical from three in the post season but if you just look at mj's three point percentage from the regular line than it's a bit better.

With that said the point wasn't to say mj was better from three than LeBron. They're pretty even in that area. The point was to show that this narrative that mj benefited from the three point line just isn't true.

[superduper]

[QUOTE=LostCause]A non-moron way to look at it is to see that Jordan

[RRR3]

If I'm not mistaken, MJ's 3-point percentage from the regular line in the playoffs > Lebron's 3-point percentage in the playoffs

MJ's percentage from the shorter line actually lowered his 3-point percentage below Lebron's overall in the playoffs.
LeBron in the 2018 playoffs 41.1% from downtown on 5.9 attempts per game. Find me a single comparable MJ playoff run. Hint: you can

[Manny98]

You mean it benefited his regular season percentages right? Because as I've shown it didn't benefit him in the post season what so ever.
He had his best 3 point shooting season the year the line was shortened

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=LostCause]A non-moron way to look at it is to see that Jordan

[Manny98]

I don't think it put mj's below LeBron's. I think they're actually identical from three in the post season but if you just look at mj's three point percentage from the regular line than it's a bit better.

With that said the point wasn't to say mj was better from three than LeBron. They're pretty even in that area. The point was to show that this narrative that mj benefited from the three point line just isn't true.
LeBron has a slightly higher 3 point percentage than MJ however he takes them on almost triple the volume

MJ is not close to LeBrons level as a 3 point shooter especially 2013 - 2018 LeBron just stop it they're not compareble

[3ball]

LeBron in the 2018 playoffs 41.1% from downtown on 5.9 attempts per game. Find me a single comparable MJ playoff run. Hint: you can’t.
The game was different back then so guys didn't attempt as many threes

But MJ matched Lebron's percentage, and would've matched his attempts if he played in this era

MJ shot 39% on 3.8 attempts in the 93' playoffs, and 43% on 4.3 attempts in the 92' and 93' Finals..

So that's on par with today's standard...

Ultimately - given MJ's goat form, solid FT shooting, goat midrange shooting, and playoff runs/championships shooting at today's standard (about 40% and 4 attempts in 92' and 93'), we can be certain he'd be an elite 3-point shooter today.

[Bronbron23]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron in the 2018 playoffs 41.1% from downtown on 5.9 attempts per game. Find me a single comparable MJ playoff run. Hint: you can

[RRR3]

4 attempts on 39% is fairly close. Mj also shot like 43% from three on almost 5 attempts in the 92 finals has LeBron ever done that in the finals?

And anyway the point wasn't to compare the two from three. Neither was amazing tbh. The point was that mj didn't benefit from the Shortened three point line like some like to say.
LeBron shot 51.9% from 3 on 5.4 attempts in the 2014 finals...

[Bronbron23]

LeBron has a slightly higher 3 point percentage than MJ however he takes them on almost triple the volume

MJ is not close to LeBrons level as a 3 point shooter especially 2013 - 2018 LeBron just stop it they're not compareble
Just because LeBron shoots more dosnt mean he's better. The three ball wasn't as big as it is now. LeBron only shoots more because of the era not because he's a great three point shooter. Theyre pretty much even from the three but mj was the better overall shooter. Do u admit that?

[Manny98]

The game was different back then so guys didn't attempt as many threes

But MJ matched Lebron's percentage, and would've matched his attempts if he played in this era

MJ shot 39% on 3.8 attempts in the 93' playoffs, and 43% on 4.3 attempts in the 92' and 93' Finals..

So that's on par with today's standard...

Ultimately - given MJ's goat form, solid FT shooting, goat midrange shooting, and playoff runs/championships shooting at today's standard (about 40% and 4 attempts in 92' and 93'), we can be certain he'd be an elite 3-point shooter today.
So because he shot well in a couple of series then that automatically means he could be an elite 3 point shooter in this era despite the fact that he's only a career 33% 3 point shooter in his own era :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

LeBron shot 51.9% from 3 on 5.4 attempts in the 2014 finals...
Ok and that's sick. I wasn't sure I just know there pretty close when it comes to the three ball but again this wasn't a LeBron vs mj thread though I'm not surprised it turned into that

[Manny98]

Just because LeBron shoots more dosnt mean he's better. The three ball wasn't as big as it is now. LeBron only shoots more because of the era not because he's a great three point shooter. Theyre pretty much even from the three but mj was the better overall shooter. Do u admit that?
If your volume increases then your percentage is obviously going to go down moron

MJ was a better mid range shooter LeBron is the better 3 point shooter

[Bronbron23]

If your volume increases then your percentage is obviously going to go down moron

MJ was a better mid range shooter LeBron is the better 3 point shooter
Foul shooting? And your volume theory isn't accurate especially when talking about mj. Mj was one one of the few players that was still very efficient even with a very high volume.the one time where LeBron was forced to be a volume scorer his efficiency plummeted.

[Stringer Bell]

Of course the shortened 3 point line helped him be more accurate with 3s during that short time span.

It made no difference because he still was the best player and the Bulls the best team either way.

The NBA wanted more offense and didn