Trump going full Hitler

[RRR3]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-administration-detention-indefinite-children-cages-flu-vaccine-custody-deaths-a9075181.html?utm_source=reddit.com



Absolutely disgusting. Dude is going to spread disease as a means to kill innocent people. Like I read on reddit, this disease could spread to the states as well because of guards not being sanitary or guards just catching the diseases.

Additionally, he’s going to hold people in these camps indefinitely.

[warriorfan]

:biggums:

[Long Duck Dong]

You do know you are making a GREAT case for building a wall. This kind of thing is 100% the fault of the shitty ass parents who brought them here so anything preventing or discouraging these people putting their children through this should be applauded.

Notice how libtards always pretend like they care about the children but in reality they don't give AF about them, they only care about pointing fingers at law enforcement and those that back them. Because if they cared about the children they would be pointing fingers at those that brought them here.

Btw how many "innocent people" have been killed under "Full Hitler" vs the previous administration? I'll wait for your answer.

[Mr Feeny]

You do know you are making a GREAT case for building a wall. This kind of thing is 100% the fault of the shitty ass parents who brought them here so anything preventing or discouraging these people putting their children through this should be applauded.

Notice how libtards always pretend like they care about the children but in reality they don't give AF about them, they only care about pointing fingers at law enforcement and those that back them. Because if they cared about the children they would be pointing fingers at those that brought them here.

Btw how many "innocent people" have been killed under "Full Hitler" vs the previous administration? I'll wait for your answer.

You sound like a 9 year old. Why are right wing nuts incapable of having a conversation without using words such as "libtards"?

[Long Duck Dong]

You sound like a 9 year old. Why are right wing nuts incapable of having a conversation without using words such as "libtards"?

Full Hitler = ok
Libtards =

https://media1.tenor.com/images/861fe7389bbb75e8193ee0082f542785/tenor.gif


:rolleyes:

[SomeBlackDude]

You do know you are making a GREAT case for building a wall.

i assume mexico has already sent the check via western union.

should be here any day now.

maga.

:applause:

[Mr Feeny]

Full Hitler = ok
Libtards =

https://media1.tenor.com/images/861fe7389bbb75e8193ee0082f542785/tenor.gif


:rolleyes:

So reading comprehension is also a week point for certain right wing nuts. Got you.

[keep-itreal]

https://memestatic1.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/+_b0f93e9a055e3c37c0da7477a283d7ec.png

"Trump bad"

[RRR3]

Full Hitler = ok
Libtards =

https://media1.tenor.com/images/861fe7389bbb75e8193ee0082f542785/tenor.gif


:rolleyes:
Trump literally has concentration camps rn and is now trying to spread disease as a means of killing off the people in those camps. Sounds like Hitler to me.

[Patrick Chewing]

OP has the Tranny loving disease.

[highwhey]

OP has the Tranny loving disease.
Idk man, I've seen you defend tranny rights moreso than rrr3. Is there something you want to tell us?

[RRR3]

Even fatrick alwayschewing can’t defned this one so he just deflects with lame insults.

[Mr Feeny]

OP has the Tranny loving disease.

How many posts are you going to make about Trannies exactly? Are you gonna stop with that already?

[RRR3]

How many posts are you going to make about Trannies exactly? Are you gonna stop with that already?
He literally searches for sexual videos of trans people. It’s fine that he’s into that, no judgment from me, but he needs to stop projecting his sexuality onto me.

[Long Duck Dong]

Trump literally has concentration camps rn and is now trying to spread disease as a means of killing off the people in those camps. Sounds like Hitler to me.

You said he was going Full Hitler because he was killing innocent people. Please post the amount of civilian "innocent people" deaths(and combatant deaths if you like) under Full Hitler vs the NonHitler before him.

Once again you don't care about pointing finger at the most responsible parties for these children's misery and you don't care about preventing their misery.

[Patrick Chewing]

More Tranny lovers than ever before on this board. Truly sickening.

[Long Duck Dong]

i assume mexico has already sent the check via western union.

should be here any day now.

maga.


You would assume right. The tariffs Trump has slapped on Mexico recently are pouring in and the China US trade war is benefitting Mexico immensely. Mexico will huff and puff about tarriffs but in reality they aren't going to do much about it. They know they are reaping huge benefits(and potentially massive ones in the future) from the US China fight and can't afford to rock the boat because their economy is in shambles atm.

[imdaman99]

Ethnic cleansing... wow how can anyone defend or deflect this shit? Have a fkin soul.

[SomeBlackDude]

You would assume right. The tariffs Trump has slapped on Mexico recently are pouring in and the China US trade war is benefitting Mexico immensely. Mexico will huff and puff about tarriffs but in reality they aren't going to do much about it. They know they are reaping huge benefits(and potentially massive ones in the future) from the US China fight and can't afford to rock the boat because their economy is in shambles atm.

didn't know there were people who still think mexico is gonna buy them a wall.

it's like a bigfoot sighting.

what a time.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/sDOhzJBsFvjMY/giphy.gif

[RRR3]

Ethnic cleansing... wow how can anyone defend or deflect this shit? Have a fkin soul.
:applause:


Long duck dong would have supported Hitler if he lived in Nazi Germany

[MaxFly]

On the very same day the Trump administration moved to hold children in custody indefinitely, CBP publicly claimed they won't provide flu vaccinations because they don't hold children long enough.

People are really defending this? :facepalm

[stalkerforlife]

Full Hitler = ok
Libtards =

https://media1.tenor.com/images/861fe7389bbb75e8193ee0082f542785/tenor.gif


:rolleyes:

:roll:

Oh and OP is a tranny c ock sucker.

[RRR3]

:cry:
You literally made a man suck your dick

[stalkerforlife]

You literally made a man suck your dick

Better than you being the sucker and saying you'd date a woman with a c ock and spend the rest of your life with them.

Getting back on topic...

How horrible are these parents for putting their children in this position? We prosecute Americans that mistakenly leave their babies in hot cars; these parents are making thought out decisions knowing the consequences of trying to enter a country illegally.

YIKES.

[Smoke117]

OP has completely lost the plot.

[RRR3]

People are really defending this? :facepalm
Missed the holding indefinitely part. Holy shit.

[coin24]

Full Hitler = ok
Libtards =

https://media1.tenor.com/images/861fe7389bbb75e8193ee0082f542785/tenor.gif


:rolleyes:


That looks like rrr3 if he straightened his pube head hair

[ArbitraryWater]

So reading comprehension is also a week point for certain right wing nuts. Got you.

this lib over here

[Long Duck Dong]

So reading comprehension is also a week point for certain right wing nuts.

Never fails :oldlol:

We can read. Can you spell?


I hate nitpicky people who point out minor spelling and grammar mistakes but if you are going to judge people.....just sayin'

[tpols]

you disparage your point when you resort to hitler hysterics..

trump 2020. :rockon:

[RRR3]

Notice no one can actually defend this.

[Smoke117]

Notice no one can actually defend this.

Damn I stop coming to this board regularly for a few months and in that short time you devolved yourself into the worst poster on the board. From decent to dog shit. Congrats I guess.

[RRR3]

Damn I stop coming to this board regularly for a few months and in that short time you devolved yourself into the worst poster on the board. From decent to dog shit. Congrats I guess.
I’m suddenly the worst poster because I called out your orange god for being evil?

Dude I’ve always hated Trump. You should have known.

[Smoke117]

I’m suddenly the worst poster because I called out your orange god for being evil?

Dude I’ve always hated Trump. You should have known.

lol. My "orange god"? I don't even vote or care who is President. The left is just insane at this point and all the democratic presidential candidates are giving into that shit and running with it. People that consider themselves moderate democrats are now realizing they aren't even democrats anymore. Trump will win easily in 2020 for the simple fact that the other option is just insane. I live in California, too, which is the breeding ground for left insanity. My vote wouldn't mean anything anyway. You want the USA to become like the UK? Where you can get arrested for insulting a transgender online? Vote for the democratic candidate then. That's where this country is headed if you do.

[RRR3]

lol. My "orange god"? I don't even vote or care who is President. The left is just insane at this point and all the democratic presidential candidates are giving into that shit and running with it. People that consider themselves moderate democrats are now realizing they aren't even democrats anymore. Trump will win easily in 2020 for the simple fact that the other option is just insane. I live in California, too, which is the breeding ground for left insanity. My vote wouldn't mean anything anyway. You want the USA to become like the UK? Where you can get arrested for insulting a transgender online? Vote for the democratic candidate then. That's where this country is headed if you do.
The left has its issues but it’s an easy choice when the other side is literally operating concentration camps and destroying the environment (seriously do you care about the future of this planet?)

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=RRR3]The left has its issues but it

[RRR3]

1. Do I care about the environment? No, I don't. I'll be long dead before it matters and I don't care about the future of humanity one single bit. Not my problem.

2. Concentration camps? You realize these people came here willingly trying to illegally get into our country, right? Nobody invited them to come and invade our country. Calling these concentration camps is a joke when these people are in these facilities on their own volition. They can leave anytime they want if they take the exit America door.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_detention_sites_in_the_United_States


They literally call them concentration camps here. And no these people are being detained indefinitely.

Nice to see you don’t care about the environment at all. Real sociopathic view you got there, Smokey boy.

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=RRR3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_detention_sites_in_the_United_States


They literally call them concentration camps here. And no these people are being detained indefinitely.

Nice to see you don

[TheMan]

If RRR3 is ISH shittiest poster, you Smokey are probably the shittiest person IRL if you really don't care about the future of this planet. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Notice no one can actually defend this.


Snowflake nonsense coming from the likes of you cannot be defended.

[Shogon]

The environment doesn't matter in the sense that... we're either going to come up with a technological advancement that fixes all of our problems in this regard, or we're ****ed.

There is a 0% chance that all nations are going to cooperate on a global scale in such a way that carbon emissions are reduced enough to matter at this point.

[Shogon]

Something along these lines... or bust.

http://nationswell.com/sucking-carbon-air-help-save-planet/

There is no pragmatic path for 'naturally' reducing emissions to save us at this point.

[warriorfan]

Better than you being the sucker and saying you'd date a woman with a c ock and spend the rest of your life with them.

Getting back on topic...

How horrible are these parents for putting their children in this position? We prosecute Americans that mistakenly leave their babies in hot cars; these parents are making thought out decisions knowing the consequences of trying to enter a country illegally.

YIKES.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[oh the horror]

You said he was going Full Hitler because he was killing innocent people. Please post the amount of civilian "innocent people" deaths(and combatant deaths if you like) under Full Hitler vs the NonHitler before him.

Once again you don't care about pointing finger at the most responsible parties for these children's misery and you don't care about preventing their misery.




I mean, keeping children detained in those conditions until “whenever” is kind of going that route.



What’s your debate here? That the language used by the OP is too spicy for you?

[oh the horror]

Notice no one can actually defend this.



Its generally always a disconnect. They derail threads and talk about something else.


Trump has gone off the railing even for most of his most whipped supporters.

[warriorfan]

Is the horror and RRR3 going to personally put some of the families up in a room and feed them? Cover all their medical bills? Or are they just screaming for us to pay for it?

[stalkerforlife]

Is the horror and RRR3 going to personally put some of the families up in a room and feed them? Cover all their medical bills? Or are they just screaming for us to pay for it?

Got em.

Why won't he talk his mom into letting an immigrant family stay with them?

[warriorfan]

Got em.

Why won't he talk his mom into letting an immigrant family stay with them?

:roll:

[I]

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]:roll:

[I]

[warriorfan]

:roll:

Hey now, no toxic masculinity in that house.

RRR3 cooks, cleans, and gives blowjobs.

Mastered the art of overcoming privledge. Look at him sucking those ***** and showing everyone who

[highwhey]

i feel for the illegal immigrants, but on that same note, they are getting themselves into this situation.

upsets me, but our government shouldn't bend over backwards for anyone.

:facepalm

[Wavves]

The BEST irony in all of this is that many of the photos shared to show how Trump is putting children in cages are actually photos taken while Obama was in power.

"Orange man bad" though :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

OP needs to cut the soy out of his diet. All that estrogen is affecting his judgement.

[Long Duck Dong]

Since RRR3 is too retarded to understand why Trump is doing this, let's start off with facts.

The word has gotten out that the government are having to release family units into the US because of the Flores agreement. They are literally releasing 1000s of family units into border towns at once.

Result: In 2013 14,800 people in family units were apprehended at/near the border
In 2019 ALONE it's 480,000+. Nearly half a million people in family units apprehended in 8 months! Nearly a 3000% increase in 5 years.

And these children aren't all coming with their families. The parents come first and then send human traffickers with the children who pretend they are these children's parents(and vice versa) and its almost guarentee they get in.

Please provide a solution to this problem. Trump is at least doing something. Some estimates have 2 million illegals trying to cross this year alone. All you people do is virtue signal, never offer how to stop it.

Btw. Last I checked people ran from Hitler not running to him.

[Prometheus]

1. Do I care about the environment? No, I don't. I'll be long dead before it matters and I don't care about the future of humanity one single bit. Not my problem.

Damn dude. You truly are pathetic. Why not just kill yourself?

[ILLsmak]

The environment doesn't matter in the sense that... we're either going to come up with a technological advancement that fixes all of our problems in this regard, or we're ****ed.

There is a 0% chance that all nations are going to cooperate on a global scale in such a way that carbon emissions are reduced enough to matter at this point.

Carbon emissions are a sham in comparison to the other wild shit we(humanity) are doing like testing nukes and dumping nuke waste in the ocean.

I care a lot about the environment, but nobody is gonna do shit. You're right. Makes me sad when a species of animal gets ****ed or we ruin more habitat. Eventually that's gonna **** us way more than people who think all the ice caps are gonna melt and flood us out.

But to say I don't care about it Cuz I be dead is some wild shit. Smoke is a smart dude he's probably just trolling. Cant believe anyone who understand that everything is connected would think that.

-Smak

[Smoke117]

Damn dude. You truly are pathetic. Why not just kill yourself?

lol it's hilarious how sore you idiots get about this. A human life is a blink in time on Earth. We are probably about the 1000th since self aware life organism to come aware and then completely destroy themselves. Rinse, repeat. I care about me and mine like basically everyone else who doesn't spend their time virtue signaling. You need to worry more about how you are going to get into the Air Force with your nefarious past (rolls eyes) and less about what I think. You are too stupid to do anything positive for humanity anyway.

[Prometheus]

lol it's hilarious how sore you idiots get about this. A human life is a blink in time on Earth. We are probably about the 1000th since self aware life organism to come aware and then completely destroy themselves. Rinse, repeat. I care about me and mine like basically everyone else who doesn't spend their time virtue signaling. You need to worry more about how you are going to get into the Air Force with your nefarious past (rolls eyes) and less about what I think. You are too stupid to do anything positive for humanity anyway.

Just saying, if you truly feel like you said you do, then you're pathetic and should just skip whatever else you might do and go straight to the reaper's blade. No soreness involved. You said more than I did.

[Smoke117]

Just saying, if you truly feel like you said you do, then you're pathetic and should just skip whatever else you might do and go straight to the reaper's blade. No soreness involved. You said more than I did.

But if I went straight to the "reaper's blade" I wouldn't get to continually enjoy your thoughtful insights! :rolleyes:

[bladefd]

Is the horror and RRR3 going to personally put some of the families up in a room and feed them? Cover all their medical bills? Or are they just screaming for us to pay for it?

Then what's your solution? Build a wall? You can stick a wall up but majority of the immigrants are visa overstays or sneak in on buses/trucks cargo area or boats. There are also rumored to be tunnels going under the border. So no, a $40bn wall is not the solution.

[bladefd]

i feel for the illegal immigrants, but on that same note, they are getting themselves into this situation.

upsets me, but our government shouldn't bend over backwards for anyone.

:facepalm

Just have them driven back to Mexico in busses. I know they will come back to attempt again, but you catch them each time. We spend enough money on border defense that busses should be able to be covered... Put in double layered fences with motion sensor technology to keep watch 24/7. Also use ground seismic sensors to keep track of tunnels being made. Much can be done..

[Mr Feeny]

this lib over here

Here's my Iraqi lapdog

[Shogon]

Then what's your solution? Build a wall? You can stick a wall up but majority of the immigrants are visa overstays or sneak in on buses/trucks cargo area or boats. There are also rumored to be tunnels going under the border. So no, a $40bn wall is not the solution.

Bullets.

Cheaper short term solution and a significantly cheaper long term solution by being the best deterrent.

The extreme majority of human beings only understand force in the form of a boot to the ass.

[diamenz]

Bullets.

Cheaper short term solution and a significantly cheaper long term solution by being the best deterrent.

The extreme majority of human beings only understand force in the form of a boot to the ass.

unreal, man. that's real disappointing hearing that from one of the more intelligent people here.

[Prometheus]

Bullets.

Cheaper short term solution and a significantly cheaper long term solution by being the best deterrent.

The extreme majority of human beings only understand force in the form of a boot to the ass.

:facepalm

[iamgine]

Then what's your solution? Build a wall? You can stick a wall up but majority of the immigrants are visa overstays or sneak in on buses/trucks cargo area or boats. There are also rumored to be tunnels going under the border. So no, a $40bn wall is not the solution.
Uh, the solution for visa overstays is make it very difficult for them to stay in the US. If a business or person employ illegals, they get investigated and fined heavily if proven guilty. Give incentive for reporting illegals, revoke citizenship for housing illegals, etc.

[Shogon]

unreal, man. that's real disappointing hearing that from one of the more intelligent people here.


:facepalm

What do you want?

Big ass wall? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Detention in border camps? Costs us money. Inhumane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Repeated games of cat and mouse where people pinky promise not to do it again? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Citizenship for all? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Shooting people on sight? Saves us money. Inhumane. Behavior stops.





I'm going to get down to brass tacks here with you guys. You either believe in nations and borders or you don't believe in nations and borders at all.

If you believe there should be no government and or no individual countries and just a one world government, I disagree, but whatever... the point is... what's the point of having laws and borders that are completely ignored and exploited? These people aren't refugees. They just don't want to do what it takes to turn their country around.

Now, I'm sorry that our ancestors were better than your ancestors, I really am... but that doesn't mean you get to drag us down with you.




All this aside? There are far bigger issues in the US than illegal immigration... about about the jews at the federal reserve robbing us of our purchasing power for over a century? How about an ever expanding federal government that robs more and more rights away from individuals to the benefit of large corporations? How about lifelong politicians that are only operating in their own self interest?

The fact that we're even discussing this to the degree that we are is a result of divide and conquer tactics by the elite. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Shogon]

https://pics.me.me/hard-times-create-strong-men-justin-trudno-strong-mer-create-15149930.png

Right now we're in phase 3, transitioning into phase 4.

[diamenz]

What do you want?

Big ass wall? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Detention in border camps? Costs us money. Inhumane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Repeated games of cat and mouse where people pinky promise not to do it again? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Citizenship for all? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Shooting people on sight? Saves us money. Inhumane. Behavior stops.





I'm going to get down to brass tacks here with you guys. You either believe in nations and borders or you don't believe in nations and borders at all.

If you believe there should be no government and or no individual countries and just a one world government, I disagree, but whatever... the point is... what's the point of having laws and borders that are completely ignored and exploited? These people aren't refugees. They just don't want to do what it takes to turn their country around.

Now, I'm sorry that our ancestors were better than your ancestors, I really am... but that doesn't mean you get to drag us down with you.




All this aside? There are far bigger issues in the US than illegal immigration... about about the jews at the federal reserve robbing us of our purchasing power for over a century? How about an ever expanding federal government that robs more and more rights away from individuals to the benefit of large corporations? How about lifelong politicians that are only operating in their own self interest?

The fact that we're even discussing this to the degree that we are is a result of divide and conquer tactics by the elite. Nothing more, nothing less.

exactly, and mowing down innocent women & children isn't anywhere near worth any kind of harm that they may be inflicting upon this country by coming here illegally. the male criminals? i could honestly turn a blind eye to shooting them down, but not innocents. i take it that is what u were proposing.

[Shogon]

exactly, and mowing down innocent women & children isn't anywhere near worth any kind of harm that they may be inflicting upon this country by coming here illegally. the male criminals? i could honestly turn a blind eye to shooting them down, but not innocents. i take it that is what u were proposing.

Ok, so your policy is we don't do anything because there are bigger issues... and there shouldn't be a such thing as nations and it's ok to ignore laws and borders because they're meaningless. People should just go where they want whenever they want.

Like I said... phase 3.

Would you be ok with one illegal immigrant living inside your house right now? Just one. That's it. Only has to be one.

[Overdrive]

Shooting people on sight? Saves us money. Inhumane. Behavior stops.


Enough people die(d) in the Mediterranean sea and still more take their chances. If there's the possibility to succeed and lead a better life people will try, no matter what.

[Shogon]

Enough people die(d) in the Mediterranean sea and still more take their chances. If there's the possibility to succeed and lead a better life people will try, no matter what.

People aren’t rational. The emotional reaction to guns and watching loved ones get slaughtered would be greater than drowning. Not to mention, if BP agents are gunning people down, that’s more likely to get the job done than a sea.

If you don’t think the behavior would be diminished to the point where it’d essentially be a non issue I don’t know what else to tell you.

[diamenz]

Ok, so your policy is we don't do anything because there are bigger issues... and there shouldn't be a such thing as nations and it's ok to ignore laws and borders because they're meaningless. People should just go where they want whenever they want.

Like I said... phase 3.

Would you be ok with one illegal immigrant living inside your house right now? Just one. That's it. Only has to be one.

i don't know enough about the intricacies of the issue to take any type of stance on it tbh. i don't think anyone here even does. buncha hotshots ego trippin' off what they think they know. what's new on ish.

i'm not gonna get into this political mess of an argument. i was just tripping about your carefree attitude about mowing down innocent people at the border. i made my point in my last post.



mowing down innocent women & children isn't anywhere near worth any kind of harm that they may be inflicting upon this country by coming here illegally.

u seem to think otherwise, and that frankly blows my mind.

i thought u were done posting about politics? u said if u ever again did to remind u about what u said.

oh and by the way - we are doing something. if we were doing nothing, then people would just be waltzing in. u seem to think we can stop it altogether - u know damn well u can only depress illegal immigration. that's the way it is - it's not a perfect world where its either 100% absolute borders or just none at all. with all due respect, you're living in fantasy land. shoot on sight give me a f***ing break.

[SomeBlackDude]

Bullets.

Cheaper short term solution and a significantly cheaper long term solution by being the best deterrent.

The extreme majority of human beings only understand force in the form of a boot to the ass.

[QUOTE]People aren

[warriorfan]

The sobering thing about immigration is thinking about long term planning and what the endgame is...It

[Long Duck Dong]

Hold up. Obama sought to do the same thing to these children as Trump? :eek:

Bu...bu....but Trump = Hitler

Obama = Nobel Peace Prize winner


The Obama administration also sought to extend the detention of immigrant children. In 2015

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/why-trump-wants-to-detain-immigrant-children-longer

[warriorfan]

What do you want?

Big ass wall? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Detention in border camps? Costs us money. Inhumane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Repeated games of cat and mouse where people pinky promise not to do it again? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Citizenship for all? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Shooting people on sight? Saves us money. Inhumane. Behavior stops.





I'm going to get down to brass tacks here with you guys. You either believe in nations and borders or you don't believe in nations and borders at all.

If you believe there should be no government and or no individual countries and just a one world government, I disagree, but whatever... the point is... what's the point of having laws and borders that are completely ignored and exploited? These people aren't refugees. They just don't want to do what it takes to turn their country around.

Now, I'm sorry that our ancestors were better than your ancestors, I really am... but that doesn't mean you get to drag us down with you.




All this aside? There are far bigger issues in the US than illegal immigration... about about the jews at the federal reserve robbing us of our purchasing power for over a century? How about an ever expanding federal government that robs more and more rights away from individuals to the benefit of large corporations? How about lifelong politicians that are only operating in their own self interest?

The fact that we're even discussing this to the degree that we are is a result of divide and conquer tactics by the elite. Nothing more, nothing less

The inconvenient truth.

[bladefd]

What do you want?

Big ass wall? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Detention in border camps? Costs us money. Inhumane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Repeated games of cat and mouse where people pinky promise not to do it again? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Citizenship for all? Costs us money. Humane. Behavior continues indefinitely.

Shooting people on sight? Saves us money. Inhumane. Behavior stops.


No, behavior doesn't stop. People in South America are so desperate that they will risk bullets to get in. Also, think about the repercussions for mowing down hundreds of people with machine guns :facepalm

What's your genius idea? Setup machine gun nests across the border or fly killdrones killing anyone crossing? :oldlol:

[bladefd]

https://pics.me.me/hard-times-create-strong-men-justin-trudno-strong-mer-create-15149930.png

Right now we're in phase 3, transitioning into phase 4.

We are already at stage 4

[SomeBlackDude]

No, behavior doesn't stop. People in South America are so desperate that they will risk bullets to get in. Also, think about the repercussions for mowing down hundreds of people with machine guns :facepalm

What's your genius idea? Setup machine gun nests across the border or fly killdrones killing anyone crossing? :oldlol:

no one ever accused maga of being, rational, long range planners.

women and children arrive at the southern border. attempt to legally apply for asylum.

maga response:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ql2lUYvISjpaE/source.gif

litral insanity.

maga.

[Shogon]

No, behavior doesn't stop. People in South America are so desperate that they will risk bullets to get in. Also, think about the repercussions for mowing down hundreds of people with machine guns :facepalm

What's your genius idea? Setup machine gun nests across the border or fly killdrones killing anyone crossing? :oldlol:

Yes, the behavior will most definitely 'stop'. You're out of your damn mind. People in North Korea are literally starving to death and they're staying put because they know they'll get gunned down if they try to flee to the south. Sure, some people still try and some are even successful, but to compare outliers and basically throw your hands up in the air and say "OH! A few people still keep trying! We might as well not do it!" is asinine and you know it.

If you put up a 5 mile, mile, half mile, quarter mile zone just north of the border with ample warning signs, and you start slaughtering people that ignore the signs, they will learn... and they will stop. It's that simple. At which point you can scale down the forces you have at the border because people will have gotten the message.



We are already at stage 4

No, we most definitely are not.

We are definitely in phase 3. Things are still good. You will know when we are in phase 4.

[Shogon]

no one ever accused maga of being, rational, long range planners.

women and children arrive at the southern border. attempt to legally apply for asylum.

maga response:

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ql2lUYvISjpaE/source.gif

litral insanity.

maga.

:roll: @ "asylum"

I'm not even sure you know what that word means, tbh, because if you did you wouldn't use it in this context. Just sounds nice to demonize people against your viewpoint.

[RRR3]

Slowgon literally wants Trump to turn America into North Korea :biggums:

This sick **** thinks mowing down innocent (I’m sure he’ll take issue with me calling them innocent lmao) people is the answer.

Slowgon would have been in the SS if he lived in Germany during WW2

[tpols]

Slowgon literally wants Trump to turn America into North Korea :biggums:

This sick **** thinks mowing down innocent (I’m sure he’ll take issue with me calling them innocent lmao) people is the answer.

Slowgon would have been in the SS if he lived in Germany during WW2


the problem needs to be addressed.

You cant have a country that doesnt control its borders, 20 trillion in debt... trillion... do you get that?

do you understand how ****ed things are and how theyre about to collapse?

you're a naive moralizing soyboy... weak mfer.

[RRR3]

Hold up. Obama sought to do the same thing to these children as Trump? :eek:

Bu...bu....but Trump = Hitler

Obama = Nobel Peace Prize winner



https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/why-trump-wants-to-detain-immigrant-children-longer
When did Obama refuse to vaccinate people?

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=ttrols]lame trolling I don

[SomeBlackDude]

:roll: @ "asylum"

I'm not even sure you know what that word means, tbh, because if you did you wouldn't use it in this context. Just sounds nice to demonize people against your viewpoint.

no one ever accused maga of discussing complex issues while not having even a rudimentary understanding of the basics.

build the wall.

maga.

:rockon:


You cant have a country that doesnt control its borders, 20 trillion in debt... trillion... do you get that?

*$22 trillion (https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/694199256/u-s-national-debt-hits-22-trillion-a-new-record-thats-predicted-to-fall) :ohwell:

[LAmbruh]

all those dead bodies of women and children floating down the rio grande


auto turrets ftw


maga

[tpols]

:sleeping


where's the troll?

take your ear muffs off ***** boy

[RRR3]

https://i.ibb.co/4gGPLs3/9-B386-EAE-E7-A7-48-AD-843-D-C6-DDD8079-CEF.png

Not pictured: smoke117

[Long Duck Dong]

When did Obama refuse to vaccinate people?

When DID Obama have the border patrol vaccinating people in their custody?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/07/07/us-deaths-immigration-detention

Once again Trump does the same thing as Obama but Trump is Hitler and Obama is Nobel Peace Prize winner :oldlol:

Look it's not the fault of white Hitler or black Hitler. It's the fault of their horrible parents. I want to hear you say it because you've pointed your finger at everyone but the people most responsible for these kids situation.

These kids are in this situation because of their shitty parents.....just say it.

[RRR3]

Blaming the parents is rich.

[Cleverness]

@OP

Speaking of Hilter, have you heard of China?

They hold millions of people of color in actual concentration camps.

[Overdrive]

[QUOTE=Shogon]People aren

[bladefd]

Yes, the behavior will most definitely 'stop'. You're out of your damn mind. People in North Korea are literally starving to death and they're staying put because they know they'll get gunned down if they try to flee to the south. Sure, some people still try and some are even successful, but to compare outliers and basically throw your hands up in the air and say "OH! A few people still keep trying! We might as well not do it!" is asinine and you know it.

If you put up a 5 mile, mile, half mile, quarter mile zone just north of the border with ample warning signs, and you start slaughtering people that ignore the signs, they will learn... and they will stop. It's that simple. At which point you can scale down the forces you have at the border because people will have gotten the message.

Like I said, people are so desperate that they will risk bullets. They are coming from bullets to bullets.

Also, I posted in my original post that majority of people (perhaps 75%) are visa overstays, hidden in bus/truck cargo and boat/ship crossings. Everyone will shift to those methods rather than walk across the border. Border security does not have the resources or manpower to thoroughly check every single bus/truck/vehicle. Visa overstays may be the toughest to stop unless if you stop issuing visas. Boat crossings are no joke either with the amount of coastline we have & number of ship containers coming in each year.

North Korea is a horrendous comparison because they barely issue any visas to enter or leave, don't allow many vehicles to enter or exit except from Chinese side occasionally (another police state). The few they allow, they can thoroughly check each one.

What you are asking for happens only in undemocratic police states.


No, we most definitely are not.

We are definitely in phase 3. Things are still good. You will know when we are in phase 4.

Yes, we definitely are. Lil Donny is a weak man with tiny hands & 13yr old temperament creating hard times.

[Shogon]

Visa overstays and smuggled... ok... so pull them out of houses and shoot them in the middle of intersections of major roads.

[RRR3]

Visa overstays and smuggled... ok... so pull them out of houses and shoot them in the middle of intersections of major roads.
You

[Shogon]

Yes, we definitely are. Lil Donny is a weak man with tiny hands & 13yr old temperament creating hard times.

His trade war is hastening things along, but you don't know a damn thing about the economy. Not a single ****ing thing. NOTHING.

[Shogon]

You’re an actual Nazi :biggums:

Fine. Let's start with the trannies and the tranny lovers(you).

[stalkerforlife]

Fine. Let's start with the trannies and the tranny lovers(you).

:roll:

OP in over his head.

He's being schooled.

[stalkerforlife]

When DID Obama have the border patrol vaccinating people in their custody?

https://www.hrw.org/news/2016/07/07/us-deaths-immigration-detention

Once again Trump does the same thing as Obama but Trump is Hitler and Obama is Nobel Peace Prize winner :oldlol:

Look it's not the fault of white Hitler or black Hitler. It's the fault of their horrible parents. I want to hear you say it because you've pointed your finger at everyone but the people most responsible for these kids situation.

These kids are in this situation because of their shitty parents.....just say it.

Just ask for the thread to be deleted, OP.

Your hatred of whites has backfired. (Self hatred)

[stalkerforlife]

Why won't RRR3 and others take immigrants into their house?

[Lakers Legend#32]

How can you compare the two?
Historians agree that Hitler was more attractive than Trump.

[RRR3]

Why won't RRR3 and others take immigrants into their house?
This is a pretty horrendous argument, but it

[Shogon]

This is a pretty horrendous argument, but it’s no surprise coming from someone who has the IQ of a bullfrog.

Ok how about moving to a neighborhood full of nothing but illegal immigrants instead?

Of course you wouldn’t be down for that either because you’re a virtue signaling empty minded thoughtless ******. You stand for absolutely nothing other than putting yourself up on a high moral pedestal when in realty you’re nothing other than a ***** ass hypocrite.

Pathetic little puny ass bitch.

[RRR3]

:mad:
You think I would care if I lived around a bunch of illegal immigrants? :oldlol:
If that was the place I could afford, fine. I’m gonna have to get an apartment within the next year and I doubt it’ll be very expensive and I can tell you, I won’t care who I live by as long as they’re not assholes.

[Shogon]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You think I would care if I lived around a bunch of illegal immigrants? :oldlol:
If that was the place I could afford, fine. I

[RRR3]

durr I’m a ****ing retarded Nazi durr
:facepalm

Yeah, man, the people who travel for insane distances risking their lives trying to sneak into this country are really ****ing rich :oldlol: It’s not bigoted to note a fact, you inbred hillbilly. So, according to your retarded “logic”, I need to move into one of the low income neighborhoods illegal immigrants live in (again these people aren’t made of money or they wouldn’t be desperately fleeing their situations, often on foot :oldlol:) strictly so some idiotic Nazi I have the misfortune of knowing on a basketball message board thinks I’m not a hypocrite? That’s just braindead.

Random person: I care about other people’s suffering
Slowgon: durrrrrrr den why don’ you make yoself suffa? Hypocrite!!!!!!!!!1!1!1!1

[Shogon]

[QUOTE=RRR3]:facepalm

Yeah, man, the people who travel for insane distances risking their lives trying to sneak into this country are really ****ing rich :oldlol: It

[Long Duck Dong]

:facepalm

Yeah, man, the people who travel for insane distances risking their lives trying to sneak into this country are really ****ing rich :oldlol: It’s not bigoted to note a fact, you inbred hillbilly. So, according to your retarded “logic”, I need to move into one of the low income neighborhoods illegal immigrants live in (again these people aren’t made of money or they wouldn’t be desperately fleeing their situations, often on foot :oldlol:) strictly so some idiotic Nazi I have the misfortune of knowing on a basketball message board thinks I’m not a hypocrite? That’s just braindead.

Random person: I care about other people’s suffering
Slowgon: durrrrrrr den why don’ you make yoself suffa? Hypocrite!!!!!!!!!1!1!1!1

The fact is you don't give a flying fvck about these kids or you would have run yer stupid yap when the same thing was happening to them 3 years ago under someone else. Ya didn't then, so keep your trap shut now snowflake

[RRR3]

The fact is you don't give a flying fvck about these kids or you would have run yer stupid yap when the same thing was happening to them 3 years ago under someone else. Ya didn't then, so keep your trap shut now snowflake
I do care, but it didn’t get reported on in the same way back then for one thing. If you think I think Obama’s a Saint, you’re very mistaken. Also Obama would never deny people vaccinations

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=Shogon]Ok how about moving to a neighborhood full of nothing but illegal immigrants instead?

Of course you wouldn

[Shogon]

it didn’t get reported on in the same way back then for one thing.

Gee, I wonder why!

:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Question dodging. A simple yes or no would have sufficed but you had to start putting conditions on it because we both know you wouldn't. Plus, it also speaks to your prejudiced state of mind towards illegals, essentially labeling them all as poor.

You're a virtue signaling ******. Nothing more, nothing less.

Ether.

Absolutely torched him.

[Shogon]

Ether.

Absolutely torched him.

:cheers:

[stalkerforlife]

Gee, I wonder why!

:roll:

:roll:

Kid is such a p ussy.

So cringe.

So obtuse.

There's no way he isn't a dedicated troll.

No one is this stupid.

[MaxFly]

*$22 trillion (https://www.npr.org/2019/02/13/694199256/u-s-national-debt-hits-22-trillion-a-new-record-thats-predicted-to-fall) :ohwell:

And just a reminder... the deficit generally shrinks during good economic times and balloons during economic downturns. For instance, during the last recession, the deficit increased significantly as a result of the massive number of layoffs, business closures and the general economic slowdown, the increased reliance of social programs to make up the gap in lost earnings, SS and Medicare entitlements, and the continued wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

At the end of 2017, the current administration, in concert with Congress, passed massive tax cuts that disproportionately benefited corporations and wealthy individuals. They promised that the cuts would stimulate the economy, pay for themselves, and actually shrink the deficit. Now, most economists agree that the stimulative effects of the tax cuts were short lived given how companies chose to utilize that extra cash (we called it), and that they have actually contributed to the deficit; corporate tax receipts plummeted something like 30%. In the meantime, people are still trying to convince themselves that the cuts worked while blaming immigrants (legal and illegal) for an outsized share of our economic difficulties.

[MaxFly]

You would have to shoot most people to have an effect, doubt the UN would let that slide.

Honestly, people say the wildest things on the internet.

[rufuspaul]

So, is Trump impeached yet?

[Hawker]

And just a reminder... the deficit generally shrinks during good economic times and balloons during economic downturns. For instance, during the last recession, the deficit increased significantly as a result of the massive number of layoffs, business closures and the general economic slowdown, the increased reliance of social programs to make up the gap in lost earnings, SS and Medicare entitlements, and the continued wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

At the end of 2017, the current administration, in concert with Congress, passed massive tax cuts that disproportionately benefited corporations and wealthy individuals. They promised that the cuts would stimulate the economy, pay for themselves, and actually shrink the deficit. Now, most economists agree that the stimulative effects of the tax cuts were short lived given how companies chose to utilize that extra cash (we called it), and that they have actually contributed to the deficit; corporate tax receipts plummeted something like 30%. In the meantime, people are still trying to convince themselves that the cuts worked while blaming immigrants (legal and illegal) for an outsized share of our economic difficulties.

Individual receipts up. Total tax revenue up. Nice spin though with the corporate tax rate citation though because saying tax revenue going up wouldn't fit with that agenda. And yes, when you have lots of money, it's more likely going to help those with more money more. We all paid attention to percentages in math class.

Spending is the issue - not tax revenue.

And however companies spent it (and despite the sensationalism in the media...there are companies that didn't do stock buy backs), they should be the ones to determine how they spend it as it is their money - not the government's. And stock buy backs are a better use of money than it going to the government.

Not to mention the lowering of the tax rate got us close to the average OECD rate. Nordic countries didn't even have the absurd corporate tax rate that we had before and they are always pointed to as pillars of corporate regulations. (Guess how they pay for all their social programs? Not with corporate taxes!)

[coin24]

:roll:

Kid is such a p ussy.

So cringe.

So obtuse.

There's no way he isn't a dedicated troll.

No one is this stupid.


He really is:lol

[Hawker]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You think I would care if I lived around a bunch of illegal immigrants? :oldlol:
If that was the place I could afford, fine. I

[Patrick Chewing]

I wouldn

[Shogon]

Imagine that - someone who has indicated they have never lived on their own being a leftist.

Who would have guessed? :roll:

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]I wouldn

[MaxFly]

Individual receipts up. Total tax revenue up. Nice spin though with the corporate tax rate citation though because saying tax revenue going up wouldn't fit with that agenda.


What you've said here is the real spin. Tax revenue has gone up, but the amount that it has increased is much lower than the projections prior to the tax cut, specifically because of the tax cut. This is a simple mathematical concept that most of us should have learned in middle school. If, for example, you expect a 2% raise, it is pure delusion to look at a 0.5% raise and say, "See, I'm making more money! Everything is great!" Sure, you're making more, but the increase is much less than you expected. Put another way, there is no publicly traded company whose share price would not plummet precipitously if analysts predicted that their revenue would increase by 5% year over year, only for them to reveal during their quarterly earnings call that their revenue only increased by 2%.


And yes, when you have lots of money, it's more likely going to help those with more money more. We all paid attention to percentages in math class.

And that's why, if we were going to cut taxes, targeted cuts for the middle class made more sense. The huge consumer base of the middle class drives our economy. The more money in their pockets, the more they buy and the better our business perform; the better our businesses perform, the more they can pay workers, make capital investments, and yes, buy back stock, and the stronger our economy will be. Again, economists now generally agree that the Trump tax cuts didn't do much for the economy because the individuals and corporations who got the lions share of the benefit didn't really need the money in the first place, and they weren't planning to spend it in ways that would bolster the economy. Those who paid attention to percentages in math should have paid a little more attention in junior high Econ.


And however companies spent it (and despite the sensationalism in the media...there are companies that didn't do stock buy backs), they should be the ones to determine how they spend it as it is their money - not the government's. And stock buy backs are a better use of money than it going to the government.

Sure... no argument from me that companies should determine how they want to spend their money. However, when CEOs, analysts and economists, predicted that companies would largely spend their tax savings on stock buy backs, that should have been a red flag to the administration that the tax cuts would not have the stimulative effects they were promising. Again, it's not like people did not predict exactly what would happen.

Now, if the Trump administration says that they want to cut corporate taxes from 21% to 14% to boost the economy and corporations respond, "Oh great, we'll use some for more stock buybacks, but most for acquisitions and expanding subsidiaries overseas," it still holds that companies get decide how they want to spend their money, but few will respond well to how they want to spend it... including Republicans. As George Bush said, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... well... you... you can't fool me again."


Not to mention the lowering of the tax rate got us close to the average OECD rate. Nordic countries didn't even have the absurd corporate tax rate that we had before and they are always pointed to as pillars of corporate regulations. (Guess how they pay for all their social programs? Not with corporate taxes!)

I love when people point to corporate tax rates in Nordic countries while ignoring the high individual and payroll tax rates of those countries. I should also note that their top marginal rates kick in at much lower personal income levels than they do in the US. Then there are the high VATs levied throughout the production process with citizens basically paying a national sales tax on goods and services when purchased. Some of those Nordic countries have VAT rates as high as 25%. The US (states) collects something like 2% of the GDP through sales taxes. Sweden collects 9% of it's GDP through VATs. It should also be noted that Norway can charge its companies a tax rate of something like 65% to extract oil (Norway has significant oil reserves). These countries make their money, and it doesn't always show up as the simple corporate tax rates that we are familiar with.

Lastly, right now, tax on corporate profits as a share of the GDP in the US is in the low 1% range. The OECD average is in the high 2% range. For Norway, it's about 4.5%. Context tends to do away with simplicity, especially when dealing with tax policy.

[Hawker]

What you've said here is the real spin. Tax revenue has gone up, but the amount that it has increased is much lower than the projections prior to the tax cut, specifically because of the tax cut. This is a simple mathematical concept that most of us should have learned in middle school. If, for example, you expect a 2% raise, it is pure delusion to look at a 0.5% raise and say, "See, I'm making more money! Everything is great!" Sure, you're making more, but the increase is much less than you expected. Put another way, there is no publicly traded company whose share price would not plummet precipitously if analysts predicted that their revenue would increase by 5% year over year, only for them to reveal during their quarterly earnings call that their revenue only increased by 2%.

And we still would've had a deficit with the projected tax revenue and the spending bill that was passed which tells me it's a spending problem and not a tax revenue problem. Again, why I'm agnostic to the complaints about deficits from you and many others on this site. I know they aren't genuine.

And no public company would exist if they claimed a deficit year after year after year. And no public company would claim a "surplus" (like it's claimed in the 90s) when government debt increased that same year.




And that's why, if we were going to cut taxes, targeted cuts for the middle class made more sense. The huge consumer base of the middle class drives our economy. The more money in their pockets, the more they buy and the better our business perform; the better our businesses perform, the more they can pay workers, make capital investments, and yes, buy back stock, and the stronger our economy will be. Again, economists now generally agree that the Trump tax cuts didn't do much for the economy because the individuals and corporations who got the lions share of the benefit didn't really need the money in the first place, and they weren't planning to spend it in ways that would bolster the economy. Those who paid attention to percentages in math should have paid a little more attention in junior high Econ.

Middle class did get tax cuts but they don't make nearly as much money as rich people so the percentages will be skewed. This was widely reported back during tax time even though the democrats ran a campaign saying it didn't. Apparently you still believe it. Savings and investments creates jobs btw...not consumption. So if individuals and corporations are saving it that will bolster the economy. And benefits can be seen way down the line in that savings and taxes take away that savings.

https://www.newsstandhub.com/files/the-new-york-times/images/face-it-you-probably-got-a-tax-cut/08fd35daf4c404751a935099e047c2df.png


Sure... no argument from me that companies should determine how they want to spend their money. However, when CEOs, analysts and economists, predicted that companies would largely spend their tax savings on stock buy backs, that should have been a red flag to the administration that the tax cuts would not have the stimulative effects they were promising. Again, it's not like people did not predict exactly what would happen.

Now, if the Trump administration says that they want to cut corporate taxes from 21% to 14% to boost the economy and corporations respond, "Oh great, we'll use some for more stock buybacks, but most for acquisitions and expanding subsidiaries overseas," it still holds that companies get decide how they want to spend their money, but few will respond well to how they want to spend it... including Republicans. As George Bush said, "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice... well... you... you can't fool me again."

That's fine and they would be incorrect. The government having that money wouldn't stimulate the economy either.

Also, stock buy backs were hitting records ever since the recession year after year - yet they were never mentioned until the tax cut. Any reason as to why this was also happening? Have anything to do with zero to near zero interest rates? Why was this never widely reported in the media? These stock buy backs are not a new thing. I'm also positive there are companies out there that used the tax cut to create jobs which to me would be a net positive of the tax cut and make it worth it.



I love when people point to corporate tax rates in Nordic countries while ignoring the high individual and payroll tax rates of those countries. I should also note that their top marginal rates kick in at much lower personal income levels than they do in the US. Then there are the high VATs levied throughout the production process with citizens basically paying a national sales tax on goods and services when purchased. Some of those Nordic countries have VAT rates as high as 25%. The US (states) collects something like 2% of the GDP through sales taxes. Sweden collects 9% of it's GDP through VATs. It should also be noted that Norway can charge its companies a tax rate of something like 65% to extract oil (Norway has significant oil reserves). These countries make their money, and it doesn't always show up as the simple corporate tax rates that we are familiar with.

Lastly, right now, tax on corporate profits as a share of the GDP in the US is in the low 1% range. The OECD average is in the high 2% range. For Norway, it's about 4.5%. Context tends to do away with simplicity, especially when dealing with tax policy.

Thanks for condescendingly telling me a bunch of stuff I already knew. Jesus christ - Norway has significant oil reserves? Wow! Who knew?

This is why I said they don't pay stuff with corporate taxes..heavily implying that GST/VATs and high marginal tax rates on individuals are how its done. There's a good reason why they don't have high corporate tax rates and why some of those countries actually rate higher on the business friendliness rankings than the US.

You shouldn't be telling me this btw - tell that to the democrats who want massive social programs (reparations, public healthcare, free college, free healthcare for illegals etc.) without telling their constituents it's going to come with double or triple the marginal tax rates. And get them to explain why they have their corporate tax rates low (hint: that's where the jobs comes from and they arent a reliable tax base).

[Patrick Chewing]

tio you have to learn to be more compassionate and tolerent.


https://media0.giphy.com/media/LvtKS6f1WatQ4/giphy.gif

[MaxFly]

And we still would've had a deficit with the projected tax revenue and the spending bill that was passed which tells me it's a spending problem and not a tax revenue problem. Again, why I'm agnostic to the complaints about deficits from you and many others on this site. I know they aren't genuine.


The deficit would not be increasing this quickly and set to eclipse a trillion dollars had it not been for the tax cuts... cuts that economists agree had little lasting power in boosting the economy and were supposed to help decrease the deficit according to the current administration. Somewhere along the way, the debt and deficit became far less important to those who were setting themselves on fire about it only a few years ago, and I fully expect those same people to be extremely concerned about the debt and deficit again when a Democrat or Independent eventually takes the White House. It turns out that their concern, and that of those who give them a pass, wasn't and isn't genuine. We knew that then and we have solid proof of it now.


And no public company would exist if they claimed a deficit year after year after year.

Lol, you sure about that? There are a number of publicly traded companies that have consistently posted losses over the last several years. But let's not be too quick to change the subject. As I stated previously, the "but revenues increased!" spin seeks to completely ignore the fact that revenues increased much less than predicted, and will continue to do so. Those using that argument should should retire it.


Middle class did get tax cuts but they don't make nearly as much money as rich people so the percentages will be skewed. This was widely reported back during tax time even though the democrats ran a campaign saying it didn't. Apparently you still believe it. Savings and investments creates jobs btw...not consumption. So if individuals and corporations are saving it that will bolster the economy. And benefits can be seen way down the line in that savings and taxes take away that savings.

The US economy runs on the buying power and agency of the consumer middle class. The tax cuts should have been been better targeted to benefit the middle class... that is to say, middle class individuals should have been given a deeper tax cut and wealthier individuals a much more shallow tax cut, if any at all, if the goal was really to stimulate the economy.

Consumption that leads to increased demand typically helps create jobs. Jobs in industries that are experiencing faltering demand tend to disappear pretty quickly.


That's fine and they would be incorrect. The government having that money wouldn't stimulate the economy either.

Putting that money in the hands of middle class individuals would.


Also, stock buy backs were hitting records ever since the recession year after year - yet they were never mentioned until the tax cut. Any reason as to why this was also happening? Have anything to do with zero to near zero interest rates? Why was this never widely reported in the media? These stock buy backs are not a new thing. I'm also positive there are companies out there that used the tax cut to create jobs which to me would be a net positive of the tax cut and make it worth it.

Stock buybacks have been increasing for some time, but they shot up precipitously after the tax cuts. Over the last 35 years, as companies accrued increasing amounts of disposable income, stock buybacks increased, so it's no surprise that a sudden infusion of disposable income would result in companies using even more of their profits to buy back stock. Some companies certainly made investments and hired workers, but an outsized share of the tax savings by US corporations went to stock buybacks... again, something many CEO's said would happen before the tax cuts went into effect.


This is why I said they don't pay stuff with corporate taxes..heavily implying that GST/VATs and high marginal tax rates on individuals are how its done. There's a good reason why they don't have high corporate tax rates and why some of those countries actually rate higher on the business friendliness rankings than the US.

There's also a reason why corporate taxes as a percentage of GDP for OECD nations is higher on average than that of the US. You mentioned Nordic countries. The same holds true... even accounting for their higher personal income taxes and VATs. Again, you have to account for more in their tax structures than just the marginal tax rates. Yeah, Norway's corporate taxes seem low until you take into account that companies can pay as much as 65% in taxes to extract oil. That doesn't show up as part of that low corporate marginal tax rate that people like to boast about.

[tomtucker]

muslims loved hitler.... they still do

https://fortressoffaith.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/nazi-islam-slider.jpg

https://compote.slate.com/images/30489645-b438-4d6f-9076-83925b5badbf.jpg


mein kampf still a bestseller in muslim countries

[qrich]

Man, i didnt knowmy ancestors marched thousands of miles to be murderer, same with the Jews.

And all voluntarily.



God damn moron

[MaxFly]

And then there's this...

[QUOTE]Trump Admin Abruptly Changes Policy Protecting Ill Migrants From Deportation

The Trump administration abruptly changed its program for granting medical deferral requests to undocumented immigrants this month, sending letters to several families rejecting their requests.

The letters from the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services agency informed families that USCIS would no longer consider their requests for medical deferral, which protected seriously ill undocumented immigrants from deportation while undergoing treatment in the U.S.

The letters warned that the families will be deported if they don

[BarberSchool]

Trump literally has concentration camps rn and is now trying to spread disease as a means of killing off the people in those camps. Sounds like Hitler to me.Are you trolling or are you genuinely this gullible and ignorant ?