Defintive proof that women shouldn't be whores.

[Shogon]

https://i.postimg.cc/1tQzxcJh/1566817111514.jpg

[MaxFly]

The chart you posted is problematic. It has way too many variables and lacks context.

Here's a chart with better context...

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-BUQXGYyTqyY/T3GymZwywMI/AAAAAAAAAYQ/_duqJp7yWJ8/s640/UShape.jpg

[LostCause]

Of course women shouldn’t be whores. It’s common knowledge. You can find a similar study for men as well with a similar result

Though it’s 2019. Most American women will be at 5 different partners by the time they’re 21. Which isn’t that much anyway (Maybe it was 30 years ago)

[nathanjizzle]

The whore culture of women is actually sad. over 5 partners is just nasty and pathetic.

[superduper]

The whore culture of women is actually sad. over 5 partners is just nasty and pathetic.

The ho culture is sad.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Men have to do their part in promoting a culture of virtue.

[MaxFly]

Men have to do their part in promoting a culture of virtue.

Agreed 100%.

[ArbitraryWater]

The whore culture of women is actually sad. over 5 partners is just nasty and pathetic.

says someone who would love to have had more sex

[Kblaze8855]

You think people tell the truth about their numbers because someone is taking a poll?

This is a subject that otherwise honest people Aren

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You think people tell the truth about their numbers because someone is taking a poll?

This is a subject that otherwise honest people Aren

[tpols]

You think people tell the truth about their numbers because someone is taking a poll?

This is a subject that otherwise honest people Aren’t even real about.

A woman I was seeing off and on took two years to admit she smoked weed because she thought I would judge her for it. This girl wouldn’t admit she smoked now and then. You think she’s gonna give me an honest answer about body count?

It’s not even a question worth asking once you realize how hard a time people have being honest about it.



OP's point still stands because no women is going to lie and say they slept with more men than they did... only less.

so the ones that did have the balls to admit they had 20+ partners...definitely had 20+ partners. and the rates speak for themselves.

[highwhey]

On one hand, i love sluts.

On the other hand, i wouldn't want to marry a girl that has slept with 20+ dudes...which is like 80% of women nowadays...especially with tinder and whatnot, hooking up is super easy.

My cousin was dating one of my friends. He asked her for her bodycount and she said 6...she's 22. I know of at least 10 dudes she's banged lol...who knows how many more bodies she got in college since she parties every week.

[LostCause]

If you want to get a woman to actually tell you her body count, she has to believe you won’t judge her for it. The way I’ve done it in the past is to just be nonchalant about sex and hooking up. Don’t tell her none of that “I wouldn’t be with a woman with x partners” shit or she’ll be inclined to lie

Women are much more forthcoming that way. You won’t even have to ask.

That said, you’re hoping for a unicorn if you think you’ll find a woman with 5 or less partners these days. That’s just not realistic.

[Shogon]

If you want to get a woman to actually tell you her body count, she has to believe you won’t judge her for it. The way I’ve done it in the past is to just be nonchalant about sex and booking up. Don’t tell her none of that “I wouldn’t be with a woman with x partners” shit or she’ll be inclined to lie

Women are much more forthcoming that way. You won’t even have to ask.

That said, you’re hoping for a unicorn if you think you’ll find a woman with 5 or less partners these days. That’s just not realistic.

Church. There are women virgins at 30. 40? I haven't met one of those yet. They're very rare, but they're out there. And even some of them are completely full of shit... but not all.

Fishing from the general population though? You're 100% right.

[Prometheus]

What about us? No agenda, just curious.

[RRR3]

The only reason you should care about a woman having a ton of partners is the greater risk of STDs. This is a very valid concern though, obviously.

It doesn’t matter to me if a girl I’m into has slept with a lot of guys. If she has a kid tho....unless she’s super hot I am generally going to not want to date.

[Shogon]

The only reason you should care about a woman having a ton of partners is the greater risk of STDs. This is a very valid concern though, obviously.

It doesn’t matter to me if a girl I’m into has slept with a lot of guys. If she has a kid tho....unless she’s super hot I am generally avoiding that shit.

I would rather get together with a woman who made a mistake and had a kid and grew past said mistake because she woke the **** up and valued herself enough to leave her abusive man as she got older than a whore who took 30 *****.

But yeah, some ho that has kids by multiple dads is a huge red flag. RUN. RUN AS FAST AS YOU CAN.

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=RRR3]The only reason you should care about a woman having a ton of partners is the greater risk of STDs. This is a very valid concern though, obviously.

It doesn

[RRR3]

Dude I swear you make me want to vomit every time you express your opinions.

You don't care if she has taken a hundred *****? What the ****? What are you?
Oh I care. But I shouldn’t.

[Kblaze8855]

If you want to get a woman to actually tell you her body count, she has to believe you won’t judge her for it. The way I’ve done it in the past is to just be nonchalant about sex and hooking up. Don’t tell her none of that “I wouldn’t be with a woman with x partners” shit or she’ll be inclined to lie

Women are much more forthcoming that way. You won’t even have to ask.

That said, you’re hoping for a unicorn if you think you’ll find a woman with 5 or less partners these days. That’s just not realistic.


It makes me wonder at times how some people on here think the world works. What do they think women are doing from 16-30?

Women in my experience are more sexually needy than men. They like sex more than we do and are more aggressive about getting it once they set their mind on it. Men who behaved like women who want sex would be in jail.

Bunch of people who can have all the sex they want are walking around for decades unmarried and only choose to **** 2 or 3 people?

Several of the married women I know well **** more people than that....

Get to know some "normal" women and find out how many random 3 and 4 ways are going on, how much dick is getting sucked in janitors closets, and so on....

Find a cute female friend who would let you see her facebook messages. A cute girl posts a pic of her getting ready to go out 11 dude shoot their shots in the DM. Women are walking through a cloud of dick and they like good dick more than we like good *****. ***** makes us act lame.....good dick makes women lose their minds.

Its like the people who dont get how these celebs **** 200 women in a few years. Its opportunity+humanity. A hot girl is living a world of celebrity level opportunity to choose who to **** from 10th grade till like....30 at least.

They arent choosing 3. For the most part if she says she ****ed 3 its because she doesnt think you can handle the truth.

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=RRR3]The only reason you should care about a woman having a ton of partners is the greater risk of STDs. This is a very valid concern though, obviously.

It doesn

[Prometheus]

It makes me wonder at times how some people on here think the world works. What do they think women are doing from 16-30?

Women in my experience are more sexually needy than men. They like sex more than we do and are more aggressive about getting it once they set their mind on it. Men who behaved like women who want sex would be in jail.

Bunch of people who can have all the sex they want are walking around for decades unmarried and only choose to **** 2 or 3 people?

Several of the married women I know well **** more people than that....

Get to know some "normal" women and find out how many random 3 and 4 ways are going on, how much dick is getting sucked in janitors closets, and so on....

Find a cute female friend who would let you see her facebook messages. A cute girl posts a pic of her getting ready to go out 11 dude shoot their shots in the DM. Women are walking through a cloud of dick and they like good dick more than we like good *****. ***** makes us act lame.....good dick makes women lose their minds.

Its like the people who dont get how these celebs **** 200 women in a few years. Its opportunity+humanity. A hot girl is living a world of celebrity level opportunity to choose who to **** from 10th grade till like....30 at least.

They arent choosing 3. For the most part if she says she ****ed 3 its because she doesnt think you can handle the truth.

Bolded is oh so true. The common stereotype is honestly a complete reversal of the truth. Conventional wisdom = men want sex, women want commitment. In reality, both are the opposite, masking their real agendas.

[highwhey]

lol at people excusing women being hoes. we get it, you work at an office. a lot of horny people in a close environment...of course there will be lots of fvcking going on. you're so smart and insightful for figuring that one out.

same women blowing dudes in janitor's closets aren't going to stop bc they got married...maybe for a period of time, but hoes will be hoes. good job for trying to white knight ho culture :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

There

[Kblaze8855]

Bolded is oh so true. The common stereotype is honestly a complete reversal of the truth. Conventional wisdom = men want sex, women want commitment. In reality, both are the opposite, masking their real agendas.



Yea....it flipped at some point.

It

[highwhey]

bend the knee to ho culture brehs https://i.postimg.cc/pLPLF0Sn/francis.png

[tpols]

i think there's something to be said about culture...

certain... demographics definitely give it up way easier... way, way easier lol

[Kblaze8855]

The world does not care if you accept it. Nobody is stopping you from unicorn searching. Just find one while you

[Shogon]

lol at people excusing women being hoes. we get it, you work at an office. a lot of horny people in a close environment...of course there will be lots of fvcking going on. you're so smart and insightful for figuring that one out.

same women blowing dudes in janitor's closets aren't going to stop bc they got married...maybe for a period of time, but hoes will be hoes. good job for trying to white knight ho culture :oldlol:

:applause:

[Shogon]

And btw, kblaze, I don't care what you think the numbers are... if a girl has sucked 5 ***** or more, she's automatically disqualified.

It says to me she has no self worth whatsoever. She either realizes that... or she doesn't. Either way...

You lose a little bit of yourself every time you **** a new partner. It has an even more profound impact on women, even though they don't consciously realize it most of the time.

[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]The only reason you should care about a woman having a ton of partners is the greater risk of STDs. This is a very valid concern though, obviously.

[B]It doesn

[Shogon]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Yeah it doesn

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]There

[baudkarma]

Amuses me how both graphs focus on women. What are the statistics for men in the same situation? Can we say that men who have had multiple premarital partners are less likely to be in stable marriages? Or are more likely to fail at first marriage? (also amuses me that 2nd graph states "more likely to fail at first marriage" as if it's somehow entirely the fault of the woman.)

So anyway, guys... if a similar study comes out and shows that men who have had less premarital sex are more likely to find healthy, stable relationships... are you tucking your dick away? Are you ignoring that hot chick who's coming on to you because "I'm saving myself for marriage"? I'm guessing not.

[warriorfan]

Its simple, girls who have ****ed a lot of dudes and left or got left a bunch of times can do it easier than others. Everything gets easier the more you do it. After awhile these hos get completely desensitized and turn into complete sociopaths.

And guys asking where the old school good women at? They are young. Unless you are hitting the lotto, she has to be young. I got with my girl when she was 20 and I was 27. I could start to see the writing on the wall if I wanted something more than a chick to party with. Young women develop more of an attachment and are more impressionable. You can get some sense in their heads before they become full on brainwashed, and it still isn

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Its simple, girls who have ****ed a lot of dudes and left or got left a bunch of times can do it easier than others. Everything gets easier the more you do it. After awhile these hos get completely desensitized and turn into complete sociopaths.

And guys asking where the old school good women at? They are young. Unless you are hitting the lotto, she has to be young. I got with my girl when she was 20 and I was 27. I could start to see the writing on the wall if I wanted something more than a chick to party with. Young women develop more of an attachment and are more impressionable. You can get some sense in their heads before they become full on brainwashed, and it still isn

[highwhey]

No shit? I was 28 and my girl was 21 when we got together (2016). Very similar.

7 years is a good age gap for reasons I won't get into. I've noticed ISH doesn't like when I bring up planets.
I'm interested in hearing why

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Yeah it doesn

[warriorfan]

No shit? I was 28 and my girl was 21 when we got together (2016). Very similar.

7 years is a good age gap for reasons I won't get into. I've noticed ISH doesn't like when I bring up planets.

Yeah, I agree on the 7 being a good age gap...but that is a whole other thread in itself. It sounds like we got some good things going on. Let

[warriorfan]

:roll:

F uuuuuuck you!

Legit laughed out loud here.

:roll:

I saw you taking a shit today

Love you bro

No homo

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Yeah, I agree on the 7 being a good age gap...but that is a whole other thread in itself. It sounds like we got some good things going on. Let

[warriorfan]

Yeah well that movie came out during a Saturn-Pluto alignment in 1947. Those two planets came into alignment again in the early '80s (when stalker and Shogon were born) and we are now living through the very next alignment of the two, lasting from 2019 through to the beginning of 2021.

There are pretty much always layers of synchronicity to be found during rare alignments like Saturn-Pluto. They first came into close alignment earlier this year, and I remember just as I was thinking about it, I logged onto ISH and saw you had made your Kiss of Death avatar and Shogon had made his the Terminator (released during a Saturn-Pluto alignment in 1984).

Speaking of the Terminator, there is a neat synchronicity regarding that movie with Saturn-Pluto. Not only was Arnold Schwarzenegger born in 1947 when those two planets were in alignment, but he was actually born with the Sun in a triple alignment with both. Then, one full cycle later, he played the iconic role of the Terminator. The movie was released in late October of '84, during the final stages of the Saturn-Pluto alignment of the early '80s... unbelievably, the release of the film also, just like Arnold's birth, occured just as the Sun was in alignment with both Pluto and Saturn.

The movie itself is a very good representation of what a Saturn-Pluto alignment signifies - doom, dread, cold and calculated destruction, ominous visions of apocalypse and terror. I have never seen Kiss of Death, but its name at least is very much in line with the serious tone of the particular alignment as well.

Saturn is Kronos, the "stern father" of the gods. It represents authority, materiality, limits, order, definition, structure, sacrifice, consequence, sobriety, that which burdens, contracts... gravity, gravitas. Pluto is Hades, god of the underworld. It represents lethality, extremity, life-and-death struggle, all that is massive in scope and terrifying in power, that which is hidden, taboo, lurking beneath the surface, the biological, instinctual, hostile, criminal, severe, murderous, yet also it represents the power of creation, that which is transformative such as birth, death, and orgasm. When these two combine, the pervading sense is that the underworld is mobilizing and organizing itself. World War I, for example, broke out in exact coincidence with the first Saturn-Pluto conjunction of the 20th century. There tends to be a heightened air of hostility between classes, races, different groups of people along any lines imaginable. Mutual demonization and a tremendous will to destroy the enemy at all costs is emblematic of Saturn-Pluto. It's no surprise to me that racism has become such an obsessive topic of conversation this past year... we are, after all, living under a Saturn-Pluto conjunction right now.

I'm not on drugs by the way.

Oh shit :applause:

Weed + this post = :lebronamazed:

[Kblaze8855]

And btw, kblaze, I don't care what you think the numbers are... if a girl has sucked 5 ***** or more, she's automatically disqualified.

It says to me she has no self worth whatsoever. She either realizes that... or she doesn't. Either way...

You lose a little bit of yourself every time you **** a new partner. It has an even more profound impact on women, even though they don't consciously realize it most of the time.

Disqualified from what? You having sex with her? Being married? What we talking about?

The whole thing just scream to me of incel culture and its always so weird because I dont see(most) of you like that....till these subjects come up. And im not talking about you wanting a partner who has not ****ed half the town. Perfectly reasonable position....especially with the STD rate. Thats just a preference and god knows women have enough of those for us. So I take no issue with that.

What I cant get my head around is how someone lives in this world and feels that so few partners is like....normal. Or that you can really use it to judge that someone is stable or worth your time. You say you dont care about the numbers.....probably because you have no reasonable way to explain them away. But seriously....when most of us start being in informal relationships in high school.....a woman your age can date one guy every 4-5 years and hit that number.

How prudish do you think women are? You think normal stable women only sleep with one guy every 7-10 years or what? Im not even talking about your ideal...im talking about your observation of the world.

You dont know normal women who like....date a guy for 7-8 months and it doesnt work out? She could spend 3 years getting over it before getting back out there and go past your numbers.

I generally find you rigid and all but not stupid. Id like to know how you reach the conclusion that people are supposed to either be marrried(I guess) or be alone for years and years waiting to find the next potential husband/wife never enjoying life. Youre right that some of the hot but easy women are crazy insecure...and once you learn to exploit it you can pretty much run through them. But I feel like by your age you should have met MANY perfectly normal high functioning stable women who just....date a guy every few years. Im a bit older than you but it still feels like you should be too experienced to still have this mindset.

I agree there is a number at which any normal man might think "I cant get serious with this one....im gonna have 8 guys she ****ed that I see around town now and then...that I know about". So I dont argue with your premise that theres a point you can never feel like shes yours. Im just wondering how after all you have seen in life....the women you have met and probably loved and ****ed around with and known well...that you think 5 is a good number.

Well let me take that back. It may be a "good" number....im not sure how you think its a rational number for like...people who were adults for 9/11.

This feels like a 19 year olds way of thinking. Not the way of thinking of a near 40 year old man who has lived a normal life. Some of the coolest, most stable, shit together, smartest women I know have more than 5 serious relationships. Not because they are whores....because they arent 21. If youre talking about 18-22 year olds...I kinda feel you. Once youre single for 30-35 years? Sleeping with 5 people makes you kinda....weird doesnt it? I do know a couple like that. One a major major church girl who implied she wanted me to take her virginity years ago but I found out she used to **** this kinda dirty construction worker and kept it on the low. Another a girl I wish Icould post but know I cant trust ISH to not look up.

You give me an email ill send you some pics so you know what I mean by this next part....

Bitch is looney toons. Shes like 30, lives with her parents, does cosplay, has a horror movie obsession(like...she has outfits to wear to each big franchise premiers), and cant hold a job. She sent me a screenshot of an email she sent her manager at food lion that started with:

"Dear management and fearless leaders:

It has been made known to me that my work ethic is greatly lacking...."

Shes a cashier at a supermarket and cant keep up. I swear ill screenshot and text you this email if you want it. Its hilarious in a sad way.

These are the women nobody ****s for 5-8 years at a time. Shes been with 3 guys. I could be the 4th but....this ho had a chucky shirt when I took her to the new Childsplay and spent the dinner talking about how her parents and sister(a local assistant DA) treat her like a kid.

Thats who gets to 30 with 3-4 *****.

Not normal funny cute girls.

I dont see how you expect to not spend life alone if you wont **** with someone who is......even close to normal.

Maybe 2019 normal disgusts you but I genuinely dont see how you live in this world with the views you have about whats normal.

The psychos are the ones nobody ****s till they are 28. The rest run into too many guys whos game is too polished and who are too good at bullshitting. If they are just kinda....washed and neat....they will give in every few years at least. Im legit interested in how you came to have these views. Again....not about wanting a woman who isnt a whore....rather...about how someone who goes years without sex can be one. It just feels like a key part of it that you refuse to go into and I cant think of any reason other than you feeling like it may be hard to explain. I swear I wont even argue or reply unless you ask for one. Im just wondering how you reached what is clearly a firmly held belief that 5 people is a lot for someone who isnt damn near a kid. I get it with a lot of these guys. A lot of them are like 20-25. They have not lived enough to have perspective. You have. And I genuinely wonder what happened to get you to this point.

[Hawker]

No shit? I was 28 and my girl was 21 when we got together (2016). Very similar.

7 years is a good age gap for reasons I won't get into. I've noticed ISH doesn't like when I bring up planets.

I dated a girl who was 20 and I was 28...it felt like babysitting from time to time. Trying to have her hang out with your friends when you're in different situations is difficult.

Not to mention women at that age aren't trying to settle down in general and want to "see the world" and do tons of "save the world" type shit like be a nurse in India. A general idealistic about the way the world works.

[Hawker]

It makes me wonder at times how some people on here think the world works. What do they think women are doing from 16-30?

Women in my experience are more sexually needy than men. They like sex more than we do and are more aggressive about getting it once they set their mind on it. Men who behaved like women who want sex would be in jail.

Bunch of people who can have all the sex they want are walking around for decades unmarried and only choose to **** 2 or 3 people?

Several of the married women I know well **** more people than that....

Get to know some "normal" women and find out how many random 3 and 4 ways are going on, how much dick is getting sucked in janitors closets, and so on....

Find a cute female friend who would let you see her facebook messages. A cute girl posts a pic of her getting ready to go out 11 dude shoot their shots in the DM. Women are walking through a cloud of dick and they like good dick more than we like good *****. ***** makes us act lame.....good dick makes women lose their minds.

Its like the people who dont get how these celebs **** 200 women in a few years. Its opportunity+humanity. A hot girl is living a world of celebrity level opportunity to choose who to **** from 10th grade till like....30 at least.

They arent choosing 3. For the most part if she says she ****ed 3 its because she doesnt think you can handle the truth.

I think women want sex as much as guy but aren't willing to lower their standards as much as guys. Professional girls that I've dated seriously take multiple dates to get even close to their pants. At that point - it's on but it's not immediate. They have to actually like the guy.

[Kblaze8855]

I dated a girl who was 20 and I was 28...it felt like babysitting from time to time. Trying to have her hang out with your friends when you're in different situations is difficult.

Not to mention women at that age aren't trying to settle down in general and want to "see the world" and do tons of "save the world" type shit like be a nurse in India. A general idealistic about the way the world works.


Thats really what you have to do to realistically find the women ISH wouldnt consider whores. You have to grab a borderline teenager and hold her forever.

We have all been there. Meet some bright eyes cute ass 20 year old who still has the flat belly of a teenager but the tits of a 28 year old and shes susceptible to all our 30-40 something tricks and thinks 70 dollars for 2 people to eat out is an expensive meal.

But you get to know her and its just a hassle man. Youre seeing what she wants to eat and suggest sushi and have to explain to her that it doesnt mean raw fish. And some of it has no fish at all. You get a drink and realize she might get carded so you feel rude she cant risk ordering one. Her dad is like....your age....and you realize that if you didnt pull out in high school she could be one of your kids friends.

Those 20 yearolds look amazing in jeans, they arent as damaged, and are easy to impress but shit....they are just annoying as hell for a long grown man. Next thing you know its time for school to start back and youre with her while shes trying to study or something and you just feel like an old piece of shit.

These young hoes dont even know Outkast....dont know who Jay and Silent Bob are. Im too set in my ways to go look for a 20 year old and try to keep her....forever. Young girls are boring. Women your age are damaged.

Thats just the world we have.

[Shogon]

Disqualified from what? You having sex with her? Being married? What we talking about?

Married. And otherwise what's the point? A cheap thrill. Yeah, it's fun for about a night, or a few weeks, or a few months... and then it's over.


The whole thing just scream to me of incel culture and its always so weird because I dont see(most) of you like that....till these subjects come up. And im not talking about you wanting a partner who has not ****ed half the town. Perfectly reasonable position....especially with the STD rate. Thats just a preference and god knows women have enough of those for us. So I take no issue with that.

It screams incel culture to you because what you know is bedding down with multiple partners with no real thought as to what that even does to yourself.

https://www.psypost.org/2016/12/study-finds-number-past-sexual-partners-large-effect-attractiveness-46594

It's a fact that people find people with large body counts less attractive. If you don't, it's because you have absolutely zero standards for yourself and you have no desire for a successful long term relationship.


What I cant get my head around is how someone lives in this world and feels that so few partners is like....normal.

You're conflating me thinking it's normal/average with me thinking it's not acceptable. They're not the same thing. There are plenty of girls out there that haven't had 10 sexual partners. They're just not in your circles, apparently.


Or that you can really use it to judge that someone is stable or worth your time. You say you dont care about the numbers.....probably because you have no reasonable way to explain them away. But seriously....when most of us start being in informal relationships in high school.....a woman your age can date one guy every 4-5 years and hit that number.

While that is true by the numbers, maybe the type of woman that I'm looking for just... hasn't done that. They exist. They're becoming less frequent nowadays, undoubtedly, but they do exist. I'm also not saying they're psychologically unhinged... although that undoubtedly becomes true the later in life you go(like 50s... seen it too many times) with someone remaining single having had a plethora of partners, but you can "explain large numbers away" quite easily... the larger the number, the less likely she is to be the type that commits and the more likely it is that nobody has wanted to commit to her. It's a red flag. I think someone in this thread even said it earlier... it's significantly easier for her to walk away and it screams red flags in general.

It applies to men as well, but despite the fact that they love sex as much as men, you seem to think it impacts men and women the same psychologically to take many many partners. It doesn't. I'm sorry if you disagree but it's self evident if you've ever lived life. Women are much more Perhaps... I think our circles have been extremely different throughout the years. We're talking major cultural differences in this department, I suppose.


How prudish do you think women are? You think normal stable women only sleep with one guy every 7-10 years or what? Im not even talking about your ideal...im talking about your observation of the world.

Again, you're conflating what I have observed to be the average with what I deem acceptable.


You dont know normal women who like....date a guy for 7-8 months and it doesnt work out? She could spend 3 years getting over it before getting back out there and go past your numbers.

I generally find you rigid and all but not stupid. Id like to know how you reach the conclusion that people are supposed to either be marrried(I guess) or be alone for years and years waiting to find the next potential husband/wife never enjoying life. Youre right that some of the hot but easy women are crazy insecure...and once you learn to exploit it you can pretty much run through them. But I feel like by your age you should have met MANY perfectly normal high functioning stable women who just....date a guy every few years. Im a bit older than you but it still feels like you should be too experienced to still have this mindset.

You undoubtedly have way more experience than me but that doesn't mean it's a good thing and it's completely by choice on my end. I can't possibly explain to you how many women threw themselves at me over the years once I got past being beyond extremely awkward which I still was in my early 20s. I passed on most of them and my friend asked me what the **** was wrong with me multiple times, but I digress. It sounds to me like you don't value yourself and or you have no real hope for a long term sustaining relationship. Just as long as you have a warm body, you'll be happy. Sorry... that ain't me, never will be.

While I do hope to meet someone some day to permanently settle down with... no doubt about it.... I am content with being single for an extended period of time... clearly... I've been single most of my life.


I agree there is a number at which any normal man might think "I cant get serious with this one....im gonna have 8 guys she ****ed that I see around town now and then...that I know about". So I dont argue with your premise that theres a point you can never feel like shes yours. Im just wondering how after all you have seen in life....the women you have met and probably loved and ****ed around with and known well...that you think 5 is a good number.

5 is just an arbitrary number I have picked out of the sky and it's not an absolute but generally speaking it's about the truth... each situation is going to be different, but again... the more sexual partners a woman has had, the more it says about her opinion of herself and her compatibility with others and willingness to work things out.

There are no marriages that are ever going to be happy from start to end... you have to stick through the shit... so if she can't find someone to stick to after having sucked 20 to 30 *****, she likely never will. She might get married... might even stay that way for 7 years... then she's going to get bored and start going off the reservation sucking everyone's dick again, statistically speaking.

[Shogon]

Anyways... I'm sure you can find data to the contrary, but this is the first thing I noticed after googling...

https://www.everydayhealth.com/longevity/can-promiscuity-threaten-longevity.aspx


How Promiscuity Affects Emotional Health

One myth about promiscuity is that most men have many more sexual partners than women. The truth, studies show, is that by age 44, the average man has had about seven sexual partners and the average woman has had four. About 33 percent of men and 9 percent of women report having more than 10 sexual partners in their lifetime. Having many more partners than average is considered a sexual health risk.

Age 44... average man has had 7 women. Age 33... average woman has had 4 men. If you're strictly pulling from certain cultures and certain social circles I'm sure that number will be WAY higher or WAY lower for both men and women... but the point is... these people are out there. Not everyone is walking around at 40 years old having ****ed 20-30 people dude, holy shit, lol.

I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're an extrovert and as such that has definitively changed your world view, as where I am an introvert and it has impacted mine.

It's probably undeniably true that extroverts go out and get laid significantly more than introverts, by choice or otherwise.


The psychos are the ones nobody ****s till they are 28. The rest run into too many guys whos game is too polished and who are too good at bullshitting. If they are just kinda....washed and neat....they will give in every few years at least. Im legit interested in how you came to have these views. Again....not about wanting a woman who isnt a whore....rather...about how someone who goes years without sex can be one. It just feels like a key part of it that you refuse to go into and I cant think of any reason other than you feeling like it may be hard to explain. I swear I wont even argue or reply unless you ask for one. Im just wondering how you reached what is clearly a firmly held belief that 5 people is a lot for someone who isnt damn near a kid. I get it with a lot of these guys. A lot of them are like 20-25. They have not lived enough to have perspective. You have. And I genuinely wonder what happened to get you to this point.

Maybe, but my best friend was a virgin until he was 29 when he married his wife at 28 who was also a virgin... and they're the two most emotionally stable people I've ever met and have a healthier set of families than anyone I've ever met... which is probably one of the reasons I was drawn to him... stability... my family... holy shit... lmao, but I digress.

As for my personal life and what got me to this point? Product of divorce. Emotional abandonment issues. Picking the wrong girl to chase early on. Then maturing enough in the mean time to recognize where everyone else was ****ing up, while also being able to reflect on my ****ups. Those are the bullet points.

[Shogon]

Also, blaze, this video is for you...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waMV_4Fc9s

[Kblaze8855]

Married. And otherwise what's the point? A cheap thrill. Yeah, it's fun for about a night, or a few weeks, or a few months... and then it's over.


Whats the point of dating people you dont intend to marry? That sounds more like a question a woman asks. Not to say you are being womanly....im saying....I find the idea that hanging out with and occasionally sleeping with someone should only be done with someone you intend to marry....to be more the womans line of thinking. Men I know arent generally thinking "I wonder if I can marry her...." when they ask someone out. That something you need to have in mind before dating and/or sex?


It screams incel culture to you because what you know is bedding down with multiple partners with no real thought as to what that even does to yourself.

https://www.psypost.org/2016/12/stud...tiveness-46594

It's a fact that people find people with large body counts less attractive. If you don't, it's because you have absolutely zero standards for yourself and you have no desire for a successful long term relationship.

I think...you think....you know other people better than you do based on a small part of their lives. If I had no standards I could have ****ed 200 more women than I have. Anyone not afraid to go after it could given 30 years. There are an awful lot of unattractive women out there dying to be ****ed. Im not even into most ofthe attractive women id have a good shot at. I cant even **** a stupid but cute girl anymore. They just....bug the shit outta me. Im pretty picky. Im just....not 17. The count can add up over time even with long periods of only being with one.

And it screams incel because when I first became aware of the word I spent a while reading their forums and thoughts. It seriously is a gang of men who talk a lot like ISH does and I just dont get it. The worst thing is how so many of them have these plans to become the type of people to be able to have casual sex....while shitting on the people already having it.

I'll go into a little more of what you said later. There are parts im perfectly ok with.

[Vino24]

Y

[step_back]

Settle down with a Japanese woman. About 1/3rd of the population are still virgins by the time they are 30.

If you look at our culture it's pretty obvious that promiscuity is way more prevalent than people think, especially among women. It just is what it is. Sex work is much more mainstream and considered by many a legitimate field of work. To even suggest that someone could try and achieve more with their life gets you branded with the go to pre-packaged "Ignorant, religious zealot, you have no right to tell a woman what she can do with her body, My choice" bullshit response.

My advice is to try and not become cynical about it. There are some diamonds in the rough but know that the rough is everywhere.

[iamgine]

Well men shouldn't be whores either for lack of demand so who would be whores then? I say women should suck it up and be whores.

[HylianNightmare]

Gross women are the purest form of evil

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Any actual solutions to this dilemma?


What is the root cause of it? Lack of paternal affection? Uncontrollable craving for sex?

This is a useful article:
http://www.gillistriplett.com/rel101/articles/sexdrive_pt1.html


Flesh Ties - When Two People Become One Flesh
Once a person's sex drive has kicked in, many people, without understanding what has taken place, immediately move to the next stage of progression, which is sexual intercourse. Here is a critical point you must understand concerning your sex drive. Read it carefully. Once you engage in sexual intercourse with a person, you become one flesh with them. After becoming one flesh with a person, you have established what is called a flesh tie. Contrary to popular belief, this person does not have to be your husband or wife. They could be a meaningless one-night stand, what people classify as a booty call or ho-hum casual sex partner. If you have sex with two, three or more people, you become one flesh with each and everyone of them...
I Corinthians 6:16 AMP [Emphasis added]
Or do you not know and realize that when a man joins himself to a prostitute, HE BECOMES ONE BODY WITH HER? The two, it is written, SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH.
Did you read that verse carefully? She could be a (pay by the hour prostitute) but once you have sexual relations with her, condom or not, you have established a flesh tie with a prostitute! The reality of the flesh tie becomes magnified when a person contracts a sexually transmitted disease. The disease in their sex partner's flesh has been transmitted to their flesh through their flesh tie. Of course everyone can see that female has had or has a flesh tie when she becomes pregnant, or if the relationship takes a turn for the worse and requires police intervention due to domestic violence. And finally, flesh ties become apparent if one partner wants to sever the sexual relations but the other refuses. At that point, that flesh tie will cause one or both individuals a tremendous amount of grief......


.....Your Intellect - your intellect is your ability to reason, make judgment calls and think things through. Once you engage in sex, your ability to reason is completely altered! People will do things they never dreamed of doing once they start having sex. For example, there are married men who have fabulous wives, beautiful children and prosperous careers. Yet they will risk everything, marriage, children and career, for a few moments of sexual pleasure with a stranger or prostitute. Does their roll of the dice make any sense? Absolutely not! But that is just one of the many ways a person's sex drive can affect their ability to reason.
Your Memory - the memory of each sexual encounter becomes forever etched into your mind. And not just the sex itself but each kiss, touch and the chain of events that led up to the sexual encounter, such as: slow dancing, candlelight dinners, frolicking around, the chase, and the erotic conversations. To men, the visual effect of the sex act is like hermetically sealed photograph, especially if the woman wears some type of sexy lingerie, dances for him or does some type of titillating strip tease. The problems with these pleasurable memories are manifold. Here are a few examples... a wife measures the size of her husband's ***** against one or more of her previous sex partners. Or a husband compares the frequency of sex he has with his wife against the amount of sex he received from his casual sex girlfriends and numerous booty calls. You can easily see how certain memories of previous sex acts can be destructive.
Your Emotions - the range of emotions created by sex can be endless. Anything from passion, anger, love, hatred and infatuation, to rage, fondness, bitterness, longing for a person you cannot have, possessiveness, and the list continues. Many people experience what I call the "after-sex infatuation." They become deeply attached to someone after having sex, when in fact, aside from receiving sex, the other person does not care about them. Many women experience immediate emotional attachment. The experience of opening up to and giving their body to a man, gives them a false sense of True Love. Other emotions emerge when a person discovers they have tested positively for a sexually transmitted disease or when a woman finds out that she is pregnant. Suddenly, what she thought was a stable relationship turns into a permanent disappearing act by her lover. Sex changes a person's emotions in more ways than I could ever articulate in this short article.
Your Feelings - sex creates physical sensations no other activity on this earth could ever duplicate. There are the euphoric feelings of sexual intercourse and the ecstasy of an orgasm, which are usually preceded by the pre-sex sensations of foreplay, (i.e., giddiness, heightened arousal, lightheadedness, sweaty palms, etc.) and finally, there is the afterglow! That indescribable, complicated, intense reaction experienced after sex, especially by women. The final substance of your soul is your will...
Your Will - this is the place where you decide to exercise self-discipline and self-control or a display a lack of discipline and no self-control. This is the place where a woman makes the decision to be virtuous and chaste or to become promiscuous and turn her body into a revolving door for sexually undisciplined males. It is here that a man decides to become a user and abuser of women or a protector and preserver of women. Once a person mixes the substance of sex with the substances of their soul, not only do they ignite this powerful chemical reaction but they also develop a craving for sex.

[Kblaze8855]

Forgot about this for a while but since im up early as usual with even less to do....



This here I think is a fundamental problem:



You undoubtedly have way more experience than me but that doesn't mean it's a good thing and it's completely by choice on my end. I can't possibly explain to you how many women threw themselves at me over the years once I got past being beyond extremely awkward which I still was in my early 20s. I passed on most of them and my friend asked me what the **** was wrong with me multiple times, but I digress. It sounds to me like you don't value yourself and or you have no real hope for a long term sustaining relationship. Just as long as you have a warm body, you'll be happy. Sorry... that ain't me, never will be.

While I do hope to meet someone some day to permanently settle down with... no doubt about it.... I am content with being single for an extended period of time... clearly... I've been single most of my life.

You seem to genuinely think that having a good time is tantamount to having no self worth or value.

Fact is....the main reason most of the women hating borderline incels arent sleeping with women is because they have so little self worth and no confidence. These are the guys who see a cute girl and feel resentment because they believe she is unattainable and get internally upset watching guys they deem more socially acceptable flirt with and sleep with these women.

Its thousands(millions really) of weak minded, overthinking, shattered confidence losers watching 7s they feel they should have a shot at **** guys who dont care about them and calling them whores for it when they dont even make a true effort. Its mostly men who are lonely being jealous of the women they act like are so immoral. If these dudes could **** women at the rate an average woman can get guys none of them would find safe sex with another person they think is interesting and fun to be something that shows a lack of self worth.

I stopped being a moping no confidence brooding type around the time I realized my failures were tied to being a *****. Women dont owe you attention because you like them but cant man up and say so. They for the most part walk through life surrounded by guys who would **** them given the chance so they arent as good as us at noticing when someone is attracted and flirting. Most straight guys at least kinda like a cute girl they know so it takes more to make intentions clear. Guys walking around internally wanting to make someone theirs forever but dont ask them for anything but to go to lunch. They expect the woman to understand all they want and just go all fairy tale because they are half in love with a woman who doesnt even realize they like them that much.

You have to make your intentions plain and the fear of rejection makes soft ass males hesitate so long they get bitter about her actually being with guys who arent so insecure.

And after years of that....these are the guys calling the women worthless when if they had any self worth they would have been able to pull half the women they wanted to begin with. The hypocrisy of it is just amazing to me.

The guys with great and sometimes irrational confidence are the ones with all the women. The guys with no self worth are watching from a distance while the men with self worth are flat out asking the women the losers like if they wanna come over that night.

Gang of men with dirty houses they would be ashamed to bring a hot girl to see, with barely washed clothes, in need of a haircut, who never go out without 3 other losers to shelter behind in public, and no confidence to speak of......calling out their social opposites of both genders who they generally wish they could be like.

The whole thing reeks of jealousy.

[Kblaze8855]

Age 44... average man has had 7 women. Age 33... average woman has had 4 men. If you're strictly pulling from certain cultures and certain social circles I'm sure that number will be WAY higher or WAY lower for both men and women... but the point is... these people are out there. Not everyone is walking around at 40 years old having ****ed 20-30 people dude, holy shit, lol.

For one....people are NOT HONEST. Thats the major reason poll means nothing. You know how many women wouldnt tell the truth about something like that? Some wouldnt even to themselves. Ive had women who arent even bashful about the subject tell me they dont count some guys for one reason or another. They are women who will run down 12-15 guys.....but keep 2-3 out for reasons like being drunk or it being a mistake...or a long time ago.

Added to that....an already 10 year old study quoting numbers from studies done before that....about people in their 40s?

The people they reference are now in their 60s and up.

They are not the people in question here really and come from a slightly different society.

If a lot of 54 year old women were 22 in the era of tinder/facebook and marriage being less of a goal they would have higher numbers....even if they didnt report them.



I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're an extrovert and as such that has definitively changed your world view, as where I am an introvert and it has impacted mine.

It's probably undeniably true that extroverts go out and get laid significantly more than introverts, by choice or otherwise.

I told a woman who discussed being an introvert that I thought I was one and she laughed in my face. Apparently I come off as a major extrovert but I dont see it that way inside. Maybe internally we are always who we are as kids and just learn to mask it...but I feel like a quiet guy who sticks to himself. I dont think others see me that way though. I think im so open and engaging with people I know a little bit its hard to believe I dont just....like people. Female friends are forever thinking im just ****ing everything that walks and have commitment issues and shit and.....its just not the case.

Im seen as a flirt....which has created some issues. Some husbands thinking shit that isnt true(Remember those texts I posted from the girls boyfriend saying he was gonna come fight me at work?). But its just that. Untrue. Im not after anyones wife/girl/whatever. I think I just have such deep conversations with people around me I think its seen the wrong way(as in long/detailed not deep like....deep thinking). You know you can only be seen talking for 20 minutes to a woman like....2 times before its assumed youre ****ing.

I spent most of 2 years mostly only involved with this young(22 when we met....) girl who was joining the air force/becoming a nurse at the same time. I like people with hustle like that. I helped her out. Helped her study....we worked out so she could meet the physical qualifications. One thing led to another.....but she was it for a long time there. She always thought I was ****ing like 3-4 other people but I wasnt. She just noticed how I took an interest in other women like I did her and assumed it always went the same way.

I have no fear with women....which could serve me well if I were the type to just **** anything....but my lack of fear is shown more in my willingness to engage them or men on whatever subject and just...talk. Im the same in person as on here. Half my dumb hypothetical questions are shit I ask the people around me. Im the first part of the confident guy who ****s a lot of women without being the second part. I dont actually sleep with many women at all.

I assume I do more than you....but im not like ****ing every female who I get laughing about some nonsense. And im not trying to. I just talk to women like I would men. I dont get nervous or hesitate. And its hot young women...55 year old overweight women....I treat them the same as I would a guy...and its served me well. I made a conscious effort long ago to stop being different depending on who im around. Just be who I am. If thats confidence....ok. But at times I dont feel confident....Im certain I look it though.

People think...that I think....im the greatest at everything. Ive been told my confidence is infectious and I get others motivated and all. Its a good trait I guess....but im still not sure its legit after all this time. I think it was a fake it till you make it thing. It took effort at the start....and now it comes naturally. But inside? Theres some of that coward who didnt speak up left.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Forgot about this for a while but since im up early as usual with even less to do....



This here I think is a fundamental problem:




You seem to genuinely think that having a good time is tantamount to having no self worth or value.

Fact is....the main reason most of the women hating borderline incels arent sleeping with women is because they have so little self worth and no confidence. These are the guys who see a cute girl and feel resentment because they believe she is unattainable and get internally upset watching guys they deem more socially acceptable flirt with and sleep with these women.

Its thousands(millions really) of weak minded, overthinking, shattered confidence losers watching 7s they feel they should have a shot at **** guys who dont care about them and calling them whores for it when they dont even make a true effort. Its mostly men who are lonely being jealous of the women they act like are so immoral. If these dudes could **** women at the rate an average woman can get guys none of them would find safe sex with another person they think is interesting and fun to be something that shows a lack of self worth.

I stopped being a moping no confidence brooding type around the time I realized my failures were tied to being a *****. Women dont owe you attention because you like them but cant man up and say so. They for the most part walk through life surrounded by guys who would **** them given the chance so they arent as good as us at noticing when someone is attracted and flirting. Most straight guys at least kinda like a cute girl they know so it takes more to make intentions clear. Guys walking around internally wanting to make someone theirs forever but dont ask them for anything but to go to lunch. They expect the woman to understand all they want and just go all fairy tale because they are half in love with a woman who doesnt even realize they like them that much.

You have to make your intentions plain and the fear of rejection makes soft ass males hesitate so long they get bitter about her actually being with guys who arent so insecure.

And after years of that....these are the guys calling the women worthless when if they had any self worth they would have been able to pull half the women they wanted to begin with. The hypocrisy of it is just amazing to me.

The guys with great and sometimes irrational confidence are the ones with all the women. The guys with no self worth are watching from a distance while the men with self worth are flat out asking the women the losers like if they wanna come over that night.

Gang of men with dirty houses they would be ashamed to bring a hot girl to see, with barely washed clothes, in need of a haircut, who never go out without 3 other losers to shelter behind in public, and no confidence to speak of......calling out their social opposites of both genders who they generally wish they could be like.

The whole thing reeks of jealousy.

Yeah that makes sense.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Lot of judgemental lonely dudes in this thread.

[BlakFrankWhite]

A woman's past should matter imho.

The women i dated with a high body count always tended to be more sluttier (obviously), and so i also did the old 'pump and dump' because i just couldn't respect them (maybe its my misogyny).

[BlakFrankWhite]

Lot of judgemental lonely dudes in this thread.

How can you trust a girl when you know she's easy? :confusedshrug:

[Shogon]

Forgot about this for a while but since im up early as usual with even less to do....



This here I think is a fundamental problem:




You seem to genuinely think that having a good time is tantamount to having no self worth or value.

Fact is....the main reason most of the women hating borderline incels arent sleeping with women is because they have so little self worth and no confidence. These are the guys who see a cute girl and feel resentment because they believe she is unattainable and get internally upset watching guys they deem more socially acceptable flirt with and sleep with these women.

Its thousands(millions really) of weak minded, overthinking, shattered confidence losers watching 7s they feel they should have a shot at **** guys who dont care about them and calling them whores for it when they dont even make a true effort. Its mostly men who are lonely being jealous of the women they act like are so immoral. If these dudes could **** women at the rate an average woman can get guys none of them would find safe sex with another person they think is interesting and fun to be something that shows a lack of self worth.

I stopped being a moping no confidence brooding type around the time I realized my failures were tied to being a *****. Women dont owe you attention because you like them but cant man up and say so. They for the most part walk through life surrounded by guys who would **** them given the chance so they arent as good as us at noticing when someone is attracted and flirting. Most straight guys at least kinda like a cute girl they know so it takes more to make intentions clear. Guys walking around internally wanting to make someone theirs forever but dont ask them for anything but to go to lunch. They expect the woman to understand all they want and just go all fairy tale because they are half in love with a woman who doesnt even realize they like them that much.

You have to make your intentions plain and the fear of rejection makes soft ass males hesitate so long they get bitter about her actually being with guys who arent so insecure.

And after years of that....these are the guys calling the women worthless when if they had any self worth they would have been able to pull half the women they wanted to begin with. The hypocrisy of it is just amazing to me.

The guys with great and sometimes irrational confidence are the ones with all the women. The guys with no self worth are watching from a distance while the men with self worth are flat out asking the women the losers like if they wanna come over that night.

Gang of men with dirty houses they would be ashamed to bring a hot girl to see, with barely washed clothes, in need of a haircut, who never go out without 3 other losers to shelter behind in public, and no confidence to speak of......calling out their social opposites of both genders who they generally wish they could be like.

The whole thing reeks of jealousy.

Yeah... I don't know if you're pointing that at me or whatever, but all I will say is, none of this applies to me. Maybe some of it did in my early 20s... maybe. But it stopped being true long ago.

"Having fun" by sleeping with a bunch of people is a symptom of you not valuing yourself. If you don't agree because you don't understand the depths of this or you think you do understand and disagree anyways... well... I'm sorry but I don't have a lifetime to convince you and I won't go further.

[Kblaze8855]

So version 243 of you being right and if people don