Will we ever see a rookie/soph more impactful than Shaq or Lebron's 1st-2nd year?

[LAmbruh]

20-21yo Diesel

rookie - 23/14/3.5 blks
soph - 29/13/3 blks

92 (n/a) - 21 w's
93 (rook) - 41 w's
94 (soph) - 50 w's


18-19yo King

rookie - 21/6/6/2
soph - 27/7/7/2

03 (n/a) - 19 w's
04 (rook) - 35 w's
05 (soph) - 42 w's



good lord, talk about individual boxscore inflating the W column :biggums:

anti-empty stat players :applause:

[Mr Feeny]

Google Larry Bird.

[LAmbruh]

Google Larry Bird.
True, however Bird was already a 23yo coming out of his 4th year in college

[Dr Hawk]

Tim Duncan

[SouBeachTalents]

As Feeny said, Bird

'79 Celtics: 29 wins
Rookie year: 61 wins
2nd year: 62 wins and the chip

Kareem

'69 Bucks: 27 wins
Rookie year: 56 wins
2nd year: 66 wins and the chip

Hakeem deserves mention too

'84 Rockets: 29 wins
Rookie year: 48 wins
2nd year: 51 wins and the Finals

[SouBeachTalents]

Tim Duncan
Tbf though, Robinson won 59 games with the Spurs in '96 before his injury. Duncan won 56 his rookie year with Robinson

[Dr Hawk]

As Feeny said, Bird

'79 Celtics: 29 wins
Rookie year: 61 wins
2nd year: 62 wins and the chip

Kareem

'69 Bucks: 27 wins
Rookie year: 56 wins
2nd year: 66 wins and the chip

Hakeem deserves mention too

'84 Rockets: 29 wins
Rookie year: 48 wins
2nd year: 51 wins and the Finals

Ah yes, I forgot about Hakeem.
What a beast he was.

[bullettooth]

Hi Wheels. Why you always trying to prop up LeBron, who has cemented his legacy as being a glorified loser?


































































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[LAmbruh]

As Feeny said, Bird

'79 Celtics: 29 wins
Rookie year: 61 wins
2nd year: 62 wins and the chip

Kareem

'69 Bucks: 27 wins
Rookie year: 56 wins
2nd year: 66 wins and the chip

Hakeem deserves mention too

'84 Rockets: 29 wins
Rookie year: 48 wins
2nd year: 51 wins and the Finals

Good choices as well.

Seems to be a common trend that consensus Top 10 players come out the gate like Little Caesars. Hot and ready :pimp:

[Bronbron23]

So no mention of magic winning a chip and a fmvp as a rookie? Stats doe :facepalm

[bullettooth]

So no mention of magic winning a chip and a fmvp as a rookie? Stats doe :facepalm

This is a Wheels thread. Don't expect much from this retard.

[schyza]

So no mention of magic winning a chip and a fmvp as a rookie? Stats doe :facepalm


This 100%

Also Wilt the Stilt 37 PPG and 27 RPG as a rook. :eek:

[Hey Yo]

This is a Wheels thread. Don't expect much from this retard.
Dude......you're on here 24/7 and never provide a lick of intelligent basketball content. You're infatuated with a dude who you think is in a wheelchair and post about him multiple times daily on a basketball message board.

Let that sink in before calling others retards.

[Hey Yo]

This 100%

Also Wilt the Stilt 37 PPG and 27 RPG as a rook. :eek:
If Kareem wasn't on that team, then sure you could cite Magic's rookie year. But it was Kareem who was carrying the scoring and rebounding load up until he injured his ankle in the Finals.

[Mr Feeny]

So no mention of magic winning a chip and a fmvp as a rookie? Stats doe :facepalm

He had a Kareem who was on the back-end of his prime. Nixon. That wasnt a bad team. Of course, Magic catapulted them to the next level.

[LAmbruh]

So no mention of magic winning a chip and a fmvp as a rookie? Stats doe :facepalm
We were a 50 win team and playoff contending long before Magic arrived.

Similar to Spurs pre-Kawhi

[Bronbron23]

He had a Kareem who was on the back-end of his prime. Nixon. That wasnt a bad team. Of course, Magic catapulted them to the next level.
So what he still had 18/7/8 as a rookie which is on par with lebrons 21/6/6 as a rookie. That's with having to defer to the greatest scorer of all time. Take Kareem off that team and magic scores 21-23 pts a game anyway plus they'd still make the playoffs. Either way you look at it magics was better.

[Bronbron23]

We were a 50 win team and playoff contending long before Magic arrived.

Similar to Spurs pre-Kawhi
So what he still had as good of stats as LeBron plus he won a fmvp. It's magic and it's not close

[Mr Feeny]

So what he still had 18/7/8 as a rookie which is on par with lebrons 21/6/6 as a rookie. That's with having to defer to the greatest scorer of all time. Take Kareem off that team and magic scores 21-23 pts a game anyway plus they'd still make the playoffs. Either way you look at it magics was better.

He was. I'm not saying that Lebron was a better rookie. Magic maybe was the best rookie ever. I just meant that in terms of salient impact, it jsnt something we'd pinpoint the way we would with Bird, Hakeem, Duncan etc because his team record was already good.

But I agree with you. No sane human being is comparing rookie Lebron to rookie Magic.

[LAmbruh]

So what he still had 18/7/8 as a rookie which is on par with lebrons 21/6/6 as a rookie. That's with having to defer to the greatest scorer of all time. Take Kareem off that team and magic scores 21-23 pts a game anyway plus they'd still make the playoffs. Either way you look at it magics was better.
Untrue

The firepower and talent we had gave Magic unlimited assets to bank on dimes and free roam as a floor general

Draft him on a 17 win team with 2nd/3rd option Ricky Davis and Jeff McCinnis his impact drops immediatly

[Hey Yo]

So what he still had as good of stats as LeBron plus he won a fmvp. It's magic and it's not close
By default....

Kareem wasn't in the house to receive it.

[Bronbron23]

He was. I'm not saying that Lebron was a better rookie. Magic maybe was the best rookie ever. I just meant that in terms of salient impact, it jsnt something we'd pinpoint the way we would with Bird, Hakeem, Duncan etc because his team record was already good.

But I agree with you. No sane human being is comparing rookie Lebron to rookie Magic.
That's fair

[Mr Feeny]

That's fair

Just a head-up. The moron quoting your post above is the same poster. Using 2 of his 19 alts.

[Bronbron23]

Untrue

The firepower and talent we had gave Magic unlimited assets to bank on dimes and free roam as a floor general

Draft him on a 17 win team with 2nd/3rd option Ricky Davis and Jeff McCinnis his impact drops immediatly
Nah man I like LeBron but he's nowhere near magic as a passer. Magic was insane. Give magic a trash team like you mentioned and he'll still get 10 assists and 20 pts as the man. Kareem didn't have an impact on magics assists really at all.

[Bronbron23]

Just a head-up. The moron quoting your post above is the same poster. Using 2 of his 19 alts.
Yeah I've heard people say that but I never really know how much weight to give that because people have said I have other alts and I only have the one. That's gay as hell if your right though

[bullettooth]

Dude......you're on here 24/7 and never provide a lick of intelligent basketball content. You're infatuated with a dude who you think is in a wheelchair and post about him multiple times daily on a basketball message board.

Let that sink in before calling others retards.

Shut up Wheels.

[ralph_i_el]

Ummm Larry Bird. 29 wins before he joined, 61 his rookie year.

21ppg 10rpg 4.5apg


Edit: multiple people beat me too it.

[theballerFKA Ace]

Rookie/Soph list better than Lebron

Shaq
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Duncan

Who else is on the list?

[3ball]

20-21yo Diesel

rookie - 23/14/3.5 blks
soph - 29/13/3 blks

92 (n/a) - 21 w's
93 (rook) - 41 w's
94 (soph) - 50 w's


18-19yo King

rookie - 21/6/6/2
soph - 27/7/7/2

03 (n/a) - 19 w's
04 (rook) - 35 w's
05 (soph) - 42 w's



good lord, talk about individual boxscore inflating the W column :biggums:

anti-empty stat players :applause:
Good players can feed off each other -
Its easy to improve wins when the team already has talent in place, even if it isn't winning - Lebron had the East 2-time all-star center that he ran a lot of stuff through, and then he added a 1st team defender sidekick in Larry Hughes, along with the future COY/stellsr defensive coach

Otoh, mj had zero teammates with any accolades, so his 11-win rookie improvement was done without synergies from other top players.. if rookie mj had jack sikma already there but losing (and just needing mj to unlock the talent), the bulls improve 20+ wins.. thats the situation bron was in with zydrunas... like, AD will probably improve the Lakers a bunch because they already have talent there, despite being lottery

[Ghost1]

Rookie/Soph list better than Lebron

Shaq
Wilt
Bird
Magic
Kareem
Duncan

Who else is on the list?


Durant
Donkic

[LostCause]

Melos team had a bigger turnaround though and won more games lol

[And1AllDay]

Dude......you're on here 24/7 and never provide a lick of intelligent basketball content. You're infatuated with a dude who you think is in a wheelchair and post about him multiple times daily on a basketball message board.

Let that sink in before calling others retards.

Bingo

SnaggleBOt in shambles now

[Mr Feeny]

Melos team had a bigger turnaround though and won more games lol

He probably should have been rookie of the year.

[GimmeThat]

no, because no one is interested in letting me reap in all the benefit of them bringing popularity to the sport