Reminder: Lebron has more 40 point finals games...

[Mr Feeny]

In 3 days....than Kobe had in 20 years:lol

:roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam]

But Eastern Confere....wait Kobe could only muster up 1 against the weak East :(

[Mr Feeny]

But Eastern Confere....wait Kobe could only muster up 1 against the weak East :(

And shot less than 50% in that one. Against a team which Lebron had just averaged 38.5 ppg against.

[SpaceJam]

And shot less than 50% in that one. Against a team which Lebron had just averaged 38.5 ppg against.

Only just got there too, checked out with 2 mins remaining in an eventual 100-75 blow out :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Only just got there too, checked out with 2 mins remaining in an eventual 100-75 blow out :roll:I remember. Desperate for his only 40 point finals game ever:lol

[MrFonzworth]

Kobe stans, is this true?

[LAmbruh]

Kobe stans, is this true?
it's true :(


Bran also had more post season game winners in 2017 than Kobe ever did as well

[Mr Feeny]

it's true :(


Bran also had more post season game winners in 2017 than Kobe ever did as well

That surely cant be true, can it?

[Spurs m8]

Empty stats to the detriment of the team...hence all the utterly embarrassing losses....

The ultimate LeCancer

[Mr Feeny]

Empty stats to the detriment of the team...hence all the utterly embarrassing losses....

The ultimate LeCancer

But he had those back to back 40 point games in wins -games 5 and 6 of the 2016 finals, to keep the Cavs alive. Both were elimination games.

[LAmbruh]

But he had those back to back 40 point games in wins -games 5 and 6 of the 2016 finals, to keep the Cavs alive. Both were elimination games.
ouch

poor Depression_M8, he doesn't follow Bball :oldlol:

[superduper]

Do you dumbass Bran stans realize this literally makes zero sense?

Bran wasn't 3 days into his career in the 2016 finals or whichever finals this was :facepalm

By saying this that is literally what you mean. I hope you guys have better luck grasping the English language for next time morons.

[LAmbruh]

:mad: :rant :mad::rant
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[superduper]

:oldlol: :oldlol:

I realize facts make you mad.

Stuff like this and "Bran's 2013 finals game winner" are all you Bronsexuals have. You have to twist reality in order to make Bran remotely relevant. Just like he had to collude...multiple times... in order to be remotely relevant.

LeGOAT :rockon:

[LAmbruh]

:mad: :mad: :mad:
poor guy thinks OP translates to 'first 3 days of career'


it simply doesn't register as in the course of - in span of :lol

[Mr Feeny]

poor guy thinks OP translates to 'first 3 days of career'


it simply doesn't register as in the course of - in span of :lol

:lol

[Mr Feeny]

I realize facts make you mad.

Stuff like this and "Bran's 2013 finals game winner" are all you Bronsexuals have. You have to twist reality in order to make Bran remotely relevant. Just like he had to collude...multiple times... in order to be remotely relevant.

LeGOAT :rockon:

And he still has more 40 point finals games in a 3 day stretch than Kobe had in 20 seasons:lol

[SpaceJam]

poor guy thinks OP translates to 'first 3 days of career'


it simply doesn't register as in the course of - in span of :lol

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Bronbron23]

This is another meaningless stat.

So if kobe>LeBron because of more 40 point games is mj>LeBron because of way more playoff 50 point games?

[Turbo Slayer]

LeTop5

[Mr Feeny]

This is another meaningless stat.

So if kobe>LeBron because of more 40 point games is mj>LeBron because of way more playoff 50 point games?

Kobe doesn't have more 40 point games. That's the whole point. Lebron has double Kobe' career 40 point playoff games and about 8 times as many finals 40 point games including 2 in a 3 day stretch that would double Kobe's entire career worth of 40 point finals games.

[Manny98]

poor guy thinks OP translates to 'first 3 days of career'


it simply doesn't register as in the course of - in span of :lol
:oldlol:

[andgar923]

In 3 days....than Kobe had in 20 years:lol

:roll: :roll:

He was getting single coverage and was literally dared to shoot at times. Slow rotating defense and weaker rules. Bron literally had an entire side of the floor open for him to operate on not just a few possessions but for most of his Finals career.

Kobe would've dropped 50 without sweating if he played under the same exact conditions.

Now that I think about it, it wouldn't happen cause Kobe would've seen doubles from time to time, defense would've collapsed on him far quicker than on Bron.

[Mr Feeny]

He was getting single coverage and was literally dared to shoot at times. Slow rotating defense and weaker rules. Bron literally had an entire side of the floor open for him to operate on not just a few possessions but for most of his Finals career.

Kobe would've dropped 50 without sweating if he played under the same exact conditions.

Now that I think about it, it wouldn't happen cause Kobe would've seen doubles from time to time, defense would've collapsed on him far quicker than on Bron.

Kobe was the one who got single coverage against Boston in 2008 and then 2010. I don't remember him ever scoring 40?

In fact, Kobe only has one career playoff 50 point game. Against the non-defense Suns. In an overtime game. He has never stopped 40 points in any finals game in his career. He certainly isn't good enough to score 50 in the finals.

[andgar923]

Kobe was the one who got single coverage against Boston in 2008 and then 2010. I don't remember him ever scoring 40?

In fact, Kobe only has one career playoff 50 point game. Against the non-defense Suns. In an overtime game. He has never stopped 40 points in any finals game in his career. He certainly isn't good enough to score 50 in the finals.

Yes Kobe saw single coverage, but:

A. The rules weren't as offensively friendly as they are today
B. Kobe didn't have complete side isolations like Bron did.
C. The defense collapsed much much faster on Kobe than on Bron. Part of that is by design as Bron was a more willing passer, another reason is the rules made it harder for the defense to switch

By no means am I a Kobe fan, some will even say Im a Kobe 'hater' (check my history). But it's silly to compare stats without context.

Bron simply had/has more 'freedom' to score and to stack up stats overall due to different factors.

[Indian guy]

andgar923 has been on this board since 2008 and his schtick hasn't changed a millimeter to this day. Everything boils down "it's so easy today" and it was "harder back then". And he never has anything to back this up :rolleyes:

I remember he was once talking about how much better 40 year old MJ would be "today" (he made this post years ago). The guy is a clown :oldlol:

[andgar923]

andgar923 has been on this board since 2008 and his schtick hasn't changed a millimeter to this day. Everything boils down "it's so easy today" and it was "harder back then". And he never has anything to back this up :rolleyes:

I remember he was once talking about how much better 40 year old MJ would be "today" (he made this post years ago). The guy is a clown :oldlol:
:cry:

[imdaman99]

Slow sunday?

[AlternativeAcc.]

ouch

poor Depression_M8, he doesn't follow Bball :oldlol:
:roll:

always get a kick out of him pretending to know anything about basketball. Pathetically trying to fit in to a community for the 1st time in his life :oldlol:


we see right through his desperate charade instantly, and he disappears every single time when confronted :(

truly humiliating.

[warriorfan]

LeIncel family

[3ball]

In 3 days....than Kobe had in 20 years:lol

:roll: :roll:
Yeah but remember how Harden played in 2019?... Bringing the ball up and dribbling literally the entire shot clock on most possessions??... We'd never seen someone be so blatant in their ball-stopping, which resulted in Harden holding the ball for 9.1 minutes per game..

Well, Lebron achieved his 40-pt Finals games by being 30% MORE ball-dominant than that - 30% is a shit-ton - it's hard to imagine someone being 30% more ball-dominant than 19' Harden, but that's how Lebron achieved most of his 40-pt Finals games... His time of possession was a preposterous 12.1 minutes in 2015 and 11.0 minutes in 2018... Both significant losses, especially 2018 (record amount)..

So I don't respect Lebron's 40-pt games, except games 5 and 6 of the 16' Finals... But even those were fueled by the freedom of no expectations or pressure (series was over), and a sea change of momentum with the Dray suspension

Ultimately, neither Lebron or Kobe were good enough to get 40 with championship teamwork, at least not without a team.ate also getting 40 (Kyrie)... Infact, only the goat was good enough to routinely get 40 in the Finals while winning the championship
.

[Bronbron23]

Kobe doesn't have more 40 point games. That's the whole point. Lebron has double Kobe' career 40 point playoff games and about 8 times as many finals 40 point games including 2 in a 3 day stretch that would double Kobe's entire career worth of 40 point finals games.
Yeah I know I messed up I ment to say if LeBron is greater than Kobe because of more 40 point games is mj greater than LeBron because of more 50 point games. My point was theyre both arbitrary stats.

[Mr Feeny]

Yeah I know I messed up I ment to say if LeBron is greater than Kobe because of more 40 point games is mj greater than LeBron because of more 50 point games. My point was theyre both arbitrary stats.

Yeah I agree with your line of reasoning. I don't think anyone is saying that because Lebron is a better scorer when the stakes are high than Kobe, he's a better player. He's a better player for a myriad of reasons including this one.

This isnt a discussion about their all time rankings. Just an interesting incidental fact. Given that Kobe is notorious for chucking, it's surprising that he never stopped 40 points in a finals game and only has 1 50 point playoff game in total - an overtime game against a non-defense team.

[Bronbron23]

Yeah I agree with your line of reasoning. I don't think anyone is saying that because Lebron is a better scorer when the stakes are high than Kobe, he's a better player. He's a better player for a myriad of reasons including this one.

This isnt a discussion about their all time rankings. Just an interesting incidental fact. Given that Kobe is notorious for chucking, it's surprising that he never stopped 40 points in a finals game and only has 1 50 point playoff game in total - an overtime game against a non-defense team.
Yeah Kobe was definitely a chucker I don't think even his die hard fans would deny that. It's tough to compare though. Kobe played in a much tougher defensive era in most of his prime. He also had to share the ball with Shaq in his early years. Even with that LeBron would still probably have more but it probably be alot closer.

[Mr Feeny]

Yeah Kobe was definitely a chucker I don't think even his die hard fans would deny that. It's tough to compare though. Kobe played in a much tougher defensive era in most of his prime. He also had to share the ball with Shaq in his early years. Even with that LeBron would still probably have more but it probably be alot closer.

But he got his only 50 point playoff game (the overtime game against the Suns who had Bell suspended and so had no perimeter defender on him) in 2006. That was after handchecking was removed. He also got his only 40 point finals game against the same Magic team that Lebron had just averaged 38.5 ppg against in the previous round.

Both of these came after Shaq left and after handchecking was removed. In the case of his game against Orlando, it was against the exact same team that Lebron had just faced a weak earlier and scored 49 points in a game against. Against the same competition, and under the same rules, Lebron was still a better scorer in my opinion.

[ImKobe]

But he got his only 50 point playoff game (the overtime game against the Suns who had Bell suspended and so had no perimeter defender on him) in 2006. That was after handchecking was removed. He also got his only 40 point finals game against the same Magic team that Lebron had just averaged 38.5 ppg against in the previous round.

Both of these came after Shaq left and after handchecking was removed. In the case of his game against Orlando, it was against the exact same team that Lebron had just faced a weak earlier and scored 49 points in a game against. Against the same competition, and under the same rules, Lebron was still a better scorer in my opinion.

Nope, Magic played Lebron and Kobe differently. You act as if Kobe and Bron played in the same system and saw the same type of coverage in those series when in fact the Magic were constantly trying to double Kobe and force the ball out of his hands while they were playing off Bron so he would tire out by the end of the series and his teammates wouldn't get in a rhythm.

How many 40-pt Finals games did Lebron have before 2015? Zero is the correct answer. ALL of his 40-pt games are against a Warriors defense that post-achilles Kobe dropped 44 on, which was his highest-scoring game up until the last game of his career IIRC.

When Lebron had his 40 pt games in 2015 Finals he was taking 30-40 shots a game on low efficiency, Kobe rarely if ever chucked like that in the Finals.

At the end of the day, no one but the Lebron stans are going to remember/care about the statistics but people will remember the Finals record.

[Mr Feeny]

Nope, Magic played Lebron and Kobe differently. You act as if Kobe and Bron played in the same system and saw the same type of coverage in those series when in fact the Magic were constantly trying to double Kobe and force the ball out of his hands while they were playing off Bron so he would tire out by the end of the series and his teammates wouldn't get in a rhythm.

How many 40-pt Finals games did Lebron have before 2015? Zero is the correct answer. ALL of his 40-pt games are against a Warriors defense that post-achilles Kobe dropped 44 on, which was his highest-scoring game up until the last game of his career IIRC.

When Lebron had his 40 pt games in 2015 Finals he was taking 30-40 shots a game on low efficiency, Kobe rarely if ever chucked like that in the Finals.

At the end of the day, no one but the Lebron stans are going to remember/care about the statistics but people will remember the Finals record.

Nope.it was the same Magic team under no handchecking. And Kobe failed to put up Lebron' numbers.

Kobe has always chucked in finals in pursuit of 40 point games but always failed. Sorry mate. Play again.

[Bronbron23]

But he got his only 50 point playoff game (the overtime game against the Suns who had Bell suspended and so had no perimeter defender on him) in 2006. That was after handchecking was removed. He also got his only 40 point finals game against the same Magic team that Lebron had just averaged 38.5 ppg against in the previous round.

Both of these came after Shaq left and after handchecking was removed. In the case of his game against Orlando, it was against the exact same team that Lebron had just faced a weak earlier and scored 49 points in a game against. Against the same competition, and under the same rules, Lebron was still a better scorer in my opinion.
Yeah but it's different situations. Defences feared Kobes scoring ability alot more than LeBron but fear LeBron's passing ability more. This leads to different defensive strategies. Teams would rather make Kobe pass more. This is why he faced so many double and triple teams in an effort to get the ball out of his hands. With LeBron it's the opposite. Teams fear his passing more so they'll stay home on everyone else and live with LeBron dropping 30 on single coverage.

Just look at how the warriors have gaurded LeBron the last 4 years. In 2015 they pretty much used Iggy to gaurd LeBron one on one iso. You couldn't do that with Kobe in his prime. He'd drop 50 easily. On the flip side you couldn't double and triple LeBron because he's to good and willing of a passer. He's have 20 assists easily.

[sportjames23]

But, Kobe has more Finals wins in 7 tries than Lebron has in 9. :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam]

But, Kobe has more Finals wins in 7 tries than Lebron has in 9. :confusedshrug:

We counting Shaq carries?

[Gileraracer]

Damn i expect Lebron to have at least 6 rings right? :eek:

[sportjames23]

We counting Shaq carries?

:coleman:

[3ball]

Teams don't mind Lebron getting 40 as much as they mind Kobe because Lebron's scoring is bad offense.

He dribbles a shit-ton (longer than Kobe), and teams generally don't double-team because they don't fear him as a scorer for various reasons that are listed below, along with other reasons his scoring is bad offense:


1) teams meet drivers at the rim with multiple defenders, so they only need to double and get the ball out of the hands of great jumpshooters that get hot all the time, or great mid-range players that can hit regardless of contest.. Teams don't fear Lebron's jumpshot or mid-range conversion rate, so he won't get doubled like Kobe was

2) lebron shot distribution is predictable - he shoots threes and layups and normally takes forever to do both - so the defense rests against Lebron more than any other player, which gives them more energy for offense


^^^ that's why teams don't mind Lebron getting 40 as much as Kobe, and why high scoring from Lebron is bad offense

[TheCorporation]

That's a win for sure

[StrongLurk]

OP, we know Lebron is a more effective scorer than Kobe and for sure a better finals performer.

Let's do better comparisons like Kobe vs Bird.

[Smoke117]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobrick has about one good finals in 8 trips.

[Bronbron23]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobrick has about one good finals in 8 trips.
So winning a finals dosnt count as good now? Interesting :facepalm

[Smoke117]

So winning a finals dosnt count as good now? Interesting :facepalm

This isn't tennis. A 12 man team wins the championship...not an individual player.

[AirTupac]

This isn't tennis. A 12 man team wins the championship...not an individual player.


Kobe won 5 you fvcking imbecile. Because HE lead them :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

This isn't tennis. A 12 man team wins the championship...not an individual player.
Your acting like Kobe is a scrub coming off the bench lol. He scored more than 24 pts a game in 4 of the finals while playing elite defence. Yeah his shooting percentage was a little low but Kobe is alot like Steph in that teams fear his scoring ability so much that they put alot of focus on him defensively. This makes it harder for him to score but opens up the game for everyone else. Kobe and Steph's finals numbers are below there own standard but there impact on a game go way beyond there stats.

[Smoke117]

Kobe won 5 you fvcking imbecile. Because HE lead them :facepalm


2000 finals:

Shaq - 38.0ppg 16.7rpg 2.3apg 2.7bpg .576%ts 30.6 gmsc

Kobe - 15.6ppg 4.6rpg 4.2apg 1.4bpg .441%ts 9.7 gmsc

Great job he did there leading them over the Pacers, mate.

[StrongLurk]

Your acting like Kobe is a scrub coming off the bench lol. He scored more than 24 pts a game in 4 of the finals while playing elite defence. Yeah his shooting percentage was a little low but Kobe is alot like Steph in that teams fear his scoring ability so much that they put alot of focus on him defensively. This makes it harder for him to score but opens up the game for everyone else. Kobe and Steph's finals numbers are below there own standard but there impact on a game go way beyond there stats.

This isn't quite true for Steph. He wasn't great in 16 but was amazing in 15, 17, 18, and 19.

Stephs first 5 finals were more impressive than Kobe's first 5.

[red1]

bron has too many records to really notice minor stats like these.


3 finals MVPs alone is pretty great tbh.

[AirTupac]

bron has too many records to really notice minor stats like these.


3 finals MVPs alone is pretty great tbh.


Wow 3 finals MVPs? He musta been dominant and won a lot of rings. How many in how many finals?

[red1]

Wow 3 finals MVPs? He musta been dominant and won a lot of rings. How many in how many finals?
3 championships and 3 finals MVPs. tied for the second most in league history - god damn those james$$$ gang boys might be right about something :eek:

this is what a winner looks like. the best in the world at his profession plus a responsible father. his son is already playing well for his age plus zero scandals. take notes chump.

https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/AP_974328534296-1702x1254.jpg

[Bronbron23]

This isn't quite true for Steph. He wasn't great in 16 but was amazing in 15, 17, 18, and 19.

Stephs first 5 finals were more impressive than Kobe's first 5.
Well Kobe was 22 in his first finals and Steph was just entering his prime at 26 so it's not really a fair comparison but I'll do it anyway. Offensively yeah Steph was overall better than Kobe but again Kobe was younger. If Steph was 22-24 he would of probably scored a little less also. As far as Steph playing under par in relation to his own standard. In his first 5 finals he was alot less efficient than he was in the regular season or most of the playoffs. His drop in efficiency is very similar to Kobes actually. Curry was alot less efficient in all of his finals except 17 where he was only a little worse. In the other 4 he was anywhere from 6-10% worse. That's pretty significant as far as efficiency goes.

So like I said they both underperformed compared to there own standard.yeah Curry was a little more impressive offensively but Kobe was way more impressive defensively so it kinda evens out actually.

[Rico2016]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Kobrick has about one good finals in 8 trips.

And it only took him six trips to the Finals to net his first Finals MVP. 1 for 6 aint bad for a chucker! Carmelo hasn't even made the Finals, yet

[Duncan21formvp]

Some players play for stats, and others for wins.

[3ball]

3 championships and 3 finals MVPs. tied for the second most in league history - god damn those james$$$ gang boys might be right about something :eek:

this is what a winner looks like. the best in the world at his profession plus a responsible father. his son is already playing well for his age plus zero scandals. take notes chump.


That's it in 17 years?

He obviously ain't doin somethin right - how many extra cracks at the apple does this loser need and he's nowhere near 6 rings... :facepalm :roll:

[LAmbruh]

damn

[LAL]

damn
Him scoring in the finals years ago makes him top 5 today? It's been a while, all i see is rajon rondo type numbers.