If Giannis or someone 4-peats and is rightfully put on-par with MJ...

[3ball]

Would the current 2-star format (no super-teams) mean they get knocked for no comp?

i.e. They didn't face and the mighty Curry Warriors (8-10 in Finals games with no KD), so they didn't face comp?

Because that's the argument lebron fans make, so I'm wondering if we'll have to go through the same shenanigans when someone comes along that can actually challenge for goat

[RRR3]

Giannis is already better than _ordan

[sdot_thadon]

I just clicked this thread to see op talk about lebron.:oldlol:

[Leviathon1121]

Do you seriously not have anything better to do with your time then creating endless and pointless Jordan threads?

[Kblaze8855]

There have been more than 3000 players in the NBA. More than 400 will play this season. Do you genuinely have no interest in any of the others or do you have interest in them but feel to discuss them would take time from what you must at this point consider your mission?

You got nothing for me on Allan Houston on the Pistons? How sad it was to see TJ Ford get hurt? What the Raptors will look like this year? What kinda offense the hornets can run to look competitive if they all buy in? What Steve Francis might score today with the hands off rules playing the minutes he used to?

Do you think about other people and suppress it or not think about them at all?

[SamuraiSWISH]

It’s all relative.

You can only play and defeat what’s in front of you ... in your era. No excuses.

LeBron’s cowardice created the super team era and he played on teams with two other stars while facing eventually 3 or 4 star teams equally.

He didn’t overcome the obstacle. Plain and simple.

[Bronbron23]

Giannis is already better than _ordan
Shiiiiit Greek ain't even better than Duncan or even Wade for that matter. Though I know your trolling ass already knows this

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]
LeBron

[SamuraiSWISH]

https://i.postimg.cc/8j8yq9Mn/celtics-win-streaks-2008-09.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8j8yq9Mn)

https://i.postimg.cc/wRks41hz/Jerry-West-Wilt-Chamberlain-Elgin-Baylor.jpg (https://postimg.cc/wRks41hz)

https://i.postimg.cc/NKZ7HrDC/lakers-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NKZ7HrDC)

https://i.postimg.cc/p5dn72kn/t1-jordan-pippen-rodman061208110628-gif.jpg (https://postimg.cc/p5dn72kn)

I'm pretty sure as a young child Lebron inspired these guys to create these squads.:rolleyes:
Coach's alt in 3...2...1.....
I don

[Kblaze8855]

You know Steph Curry is older today than either Pierce or KG were to start the 08 season? 5 days older than KG was the first game of 08-09 and a year and a half older than Pierce. It just felt like KG was older because hed been around forever. Pierce was only 20 days into his 30s. He was a few days off the age KD was to begin last year. Ray Allen was the old one and he was coming off 4 straight years of new career highs as the league was softening on perimeter players. Those guys are a lot older in career recaps than they actually were at the time. We just decided they were old in retrospect at some point.

[SouBeachTalents]

You know Steph Curry is older today than either Pierce or KG were to start the 08 season? 5 days older than KG was the first game of 08-09 and a year and a half older than Pierce. It just felt like KG was older because hed been around forever. Pierce was only 20 days into his 30s. He was a few days off the age KD was to begin last year. Ray Allen was the old one and he was coming off 4 straight years of new career highs as the league was softening on perimeter players. Those guys are a lot older in career recaps than they actually were at the time. We just decided they were old in retrospect at some point.
The one I find funny is when the '91 Pistons are considered old, when a lot of their key players like Isiah/Dumars/Rodman were barely even 30 :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Yea Isiah retired at like 32. Dumars wasnt even old when he retired either and that was in 99 or 2000. Maybe 34ish? Rodman was older than people assumed because he was 25 as a rookie but he was still probably shy of 30.

[Leviathon1121]

https://i.postimg.cc/8j8yq9Mn/celtics-win-streaks-2008-09.jpg (https://postimg.cc/8j8yq9Mn)

https://i.postimg.cc/wRks41hz/Jerry-West-Wilt-Chamberlain-Elgin-Baylor.jpg (https://postimg.cc/wRks41hz)

https://i.postimg.cc/NKZ7HrDC/lakers-1.jpg (https://postimg.cc/NKZ7HrDC)

https://i.postimg.cc/p5dn72kn/t1-jordan-pippen-rodman061208110628-gif.jpg (https://postimg.cc/p5dn72kn)

I'm pretty sure as a young child Lebron inspired these guys to create these squads.:rolleyes:
Coach's alt in 3...2...1.....
Still waiting on your thread showing that Jordan simply had far more talented teams then anyone when he won rings...

[3ball]

Yea Isiah retired at like 32. Dumars wasnt even old when he retired either and that was in 99 or 2000. Maybe 34ish? Rodman was older than people assumed because he was 25 as a rookie but he was still probably shy of 30.
Isiah/Dumars/Rodman were 29/27/29 when MJ beat them in 1991:

https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/1991-nba-eastern-conference-finals-pistons-vs-bulls.html#all_DET


Otoh, Garnett/Pierce/Allen were 34/33/35 when Lebron beat them in 12', and Duncan/Parker/Manu were 35/32/35 when Lebron beat them in 13'.

[Smoke117]

You know Steph Curry is older today than either Pierce or KG were to start the 08 season? 5 days older than KG was the first game of 08-09 and a year and a half older than Pierce. It just felt like KG was older because hed been around forever. Pierce was only 20 days into his 30s. He was a few days off the age KD was to begin last year. Ray Allen was the old one and he was coming off 4 straight years of new career highs as the league was softening on perimeter players. Those guys are a lot older in career recaps than they actually were at the time. We just decided they were old in retrospect at some point.

It's not just about age, but miles. Kevin Garnett had played considerably more minutes than Curry at the same age. He also played much of that in a more physical and grind it out era of basketball. Curry has never had to experience any kind of physicality in his career.

['Toine=MVP]

Rings and stats are neither central to the GOAT question. They matter, but there is no statistical or championship threshold that makes you great. Great players happen to put up good stats and happen to win titles. It isn't the other way around.

Having said that, Giannis has the potential to be a true all time great (greater than LeBron), but he will have to avoid the kiss of death (joining a team through FA that is immediately considered a super team or force a trade). That alone would disqualify him. He doesn't have to stay in Milwaukee, though that would help. Shaq left Orlando. It didn't hurt his status. And getting forced out of LA didn't really hurt him either. But we are in a different world now. And Shaq never did what LeBron/Durant/Leonard/AD/etc have done.

The greatest players of all time all had a type of popularity (undeniable greatness) that we have not seen in the NBA since Shaq starting going downhill in the mid to late 00s. We briefly sort of had it with Steph, but he's been so exposed in the finals and I don't think anyone seriously considers his overall ability to be in the conversation for even top 20. With the rings, some will probably put him in the top 20, but either way, despite his short lived super popularity, he just didn't have the goods.

Giannis is the only untainted star in today's game with the potential to capture what other all time greats captured.

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]I don

[GimmeThat]

in other words, op spent an excessive amount of time studying for standardized exam, and gets into a good school per society standards, only to get bullied and still tries to make the same argument over a lower rated school only to continuously wake up and be surpassed by others when the subject on the quality of life is raised

but that's okay, because in op's world, those who had the quality of life but didn't surpass him had passed away today, until the idea of their health condition comes to mind.

so why the society standard of a good school and standardized test to begin with?

gun control

[LostCause]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]He didn

[Leviathon1121]

Good so you pretty much agree your post was bullshit. Wtf is an organically made super team? Because disgruntled players were traded from a team, rather than choosing to sign there once they were no longer under contract? There's no such thing as an organic exit to a team via trade......And yeah the bulls were a super team. They had 3 all nba level players at once, curb stomping all opponents for a 3 year period.


I think it's just due to having no other explanation for them falling off the face of the earth after 91 on the heels of 3 straight finals runs in the most competitive eastern conference ever. I think the core was aged in the sense of it being incredibly difficult to keep making deep runs with the same core. Milage is a bitch, Very few teams manage 3 or 4 runs and then they're toast.


good, you won't be disappointed. It will be ready when it's ready. I've captured most of the data already, just making different splits with said data. And that's not my words, that's your defensive take on my posts. The incredulity is apparent.
No, I

[3ball]

You know I read a pretty decent post saying something like this a while back elsewhere

Basically, they expounded on the idea that LeBron's never overcome any "obstacles", he just left every time his teams ran into them and made a new team with multiple stars to basically "reset". It was compared to Jordan, who famously had the World Champ Pistons and then his retirement (Where he had to climb the mountain to the top all over again)

To LeBrons credit, he does have 2016. Which should definitely be included in overcoming obstacles though
Dirk overcame one of the biggest talent deficits ever when he won the 2011 Finals against prime Lebron/Wade/Bosh.. otoh, most would agree that Kyrie is equal or better than Klay, and ditto Love/Dray, so Lebron didn't fave a talent deficit in the 16' Finals.. Infact, his teammates drastically outplayed the Warriors' best players .

But regardless, a lot of guys have upsets on their resume, so one series can't be considered overcoming an obstacle the way a perennial bottom-dweller develops and overcomes the in-conference dynasty over several years .. apples and oranges

Btw, MJ led a 47-win, 6 seed over the #1 SRS team with the "shot" in 1989.. but that's just an upset, and not the same as developing over several years to eventually end the Piston dynasty (when isiah/dumars/rodman were 29/27/29 years old in 91')

[SamuraiSWISH]

You know I read a pretty decent post saying something like this a while back elsewhere

Basically, they expounded on the idea that LeBron's never overcome any "obstacles", he just left every time his teams ran into them and made a new team with multiple stars to basically "reset". It was compared to Jordan, who famously had the World Champ Pistons and then his retirement (Where he had to climb the mountain to the top all over again)

To LeBrons credit, he does have 2016. Which should definitely be included in overcoming obstacles though
That

[Manny98]

Nikkas can't even give LeBron his credit for the 2016 finals now :facepalm

[RRR3]

Coach=3ball