2019 FIBA Giannis vs 2008 Beijing Kobe

[LAmbruh]

Greek Freak's recent tournament scoring only a fraction below prime Kobe's 14ppg Beijing run


albeit Giannis far more efficient and opposing teams sole prime target defensively


where as Kobe was the 3rd wheel Alfred, behind baby Wade and 22yo Lebron despite somehow still managing to lead USA in shots (ofcourse, far worse efficiency/points)


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[Dr Hawk]

USA would have lost in the final if Kobe hadn't been there

[Smoke117]

Everyone is always going on about Kobe, but Wade was easily the best player on that 2008 squad. Coming back from injury after a summer of training he had something to prove and he just shit all over the world on his way to the best SG season since Michael Jordan in his prime. Wade was, literally, playing back up at the SG position and just completely shit all over the world and made Kobe look like a joke who was starting in front of him.

Just look at the shot attempts...lmfao. Kobe fired off 104 shot attempts to Wade's 70, but only had 120pts to to Wade's 128...lmfao. How the fukk did Kobe only have 12ft's while chucking up the most shot attempts on the team? Five other players had 24+ lmfao. Kobe basically chucking up worthless jumpshots like Jordan was on the 92 dream team. It's baffling that he only went to the line 12 times in 8 games when you have 5 other players taking 24-41 a game. What the fukk? lol. Clearly he was just chucking up long jump shots the entire time.

[sportjames23]

USA would have lost in the final if Kobe hadn't been there

[gabepizza]

Yes this poster obviously didn't watch those games. When in mattered, in the 4th quarter of the gold medal game it was Kobe who took over.

[GimmeThat]

I'm thinking Ioannis Papapetrou costing Greece a game here

in 23 minutes of play, he recorded 0 assist, 0 FTs and 5 3pt attempts. The -9 in efficiency shows he may have rotated to guard a smaller player and didn't find any success, for the 25 yr old, no way could he had the 3rd most shot attempts, had he not been rotating off of rebounders, leaving his front court to be doubled. Say he had made his shots and changed the outcome of the game, he's still an issue in giving the other team offensive rebounds, because Brazil turns the ball over less, and it forces Greece's bigs having to foul, in order to protect the painted area.

[Dom213]

Everyone is always going on about Kobe, but Wade was easily the best player on that 2008 squad. Coming back from injury after a summer of training he had something to prove and he just shit all over the world on his way to the best SG season since Michael Jordan in his prime. Wade was, literally, playing back up at the SG position and just completely shit all over the world and made Kobe look like a joke who was starting in front of him.

Just look at the shot attempts...lmfao. Kobe fired off 104 shot attempts to Wade's 70, but only had 120pts to to Wade's 128...lmfao. How the fukk did Kobe only have 12ft's while chucking up the most shot attempts on the team? Five other players had 24+ lmfao. Kobe basically chucking up worthless jumpshots like Jordan was on the 92 dream team. It's baffling that he only went to the line 12 times in 8 games when you have 5 other players taking 24-41 a game. What the fukk? lol. Clearly he was just chucking up long jump shots the entire time.

Drink your liver to death more. Kobe was the X factor.

[Doranku]

Both were better than 2012 London LeBron

[superduper]

USA would have lost in the final if Kobe hadn't been there

[LAmbruh]

Everyone is always going on about Kobe, but Wade was easily the best player on that 2008 squad. Coming back from injury after a summer of training he had something to prove and he just shit all over the world on his way to the best SG season since Michael Jordan in his prime. Wade was, literally, playing back up at the SG position and just completely shit all over the world and made Kobe look like a joke who was starting in front of him.

Just look at the shot attempts...lmfao. Kobe fired off 104 shot attempts to Wade's 70, but only had 120pts to to Wade's 128...lmfao. How the fukk did Kobe only have 12ft's while chucking up the most shot attempts on the team? Five other players had 24+ lmfao. Kobe basically chucking up worthless jumpshots like Jordan was on the 92 dream team. It's baffling that he only went to the line 12 times in 8 games when you have 5 other players taking 24-41 a game. What the fukk? lol. Clearly he was just chucking up long jump shots the entire time.

Yep, it was Kobe's unnecessary chucking that kept USA from extending leads all tournament.

Gold game was a perfect example, where again early on he let Fernandez and Navarro drop 40, while putting on a brick show on the other end.

Everytime Wade sub'd in for him, the tone and appreciation from players changed

[bison]

Goldbe >>>>>>>>>> LeBronze

[scuzzy]

I remember leading up to the qualifying games fans were scared Kobe would amp up up the shot jacking to make up for his underwhelming play all tournament. And boy he did just that, 35 footers over and over early in the shot clock, 8-10 3pa game. Against teams Wade and Lebron were getting to the rim and scoring anywhere with ease.

It was dangerously similar to 2004 Finals. The main difference being USA's overwhelming talent kept leads from flat lining, along with rising young leadership that were phenomenal at ignoring Kobe's personal side quests and ego adventures mid game

Those Olympics were the first definitive confirmation how leaps and bounds Lebron was to Kobe after being paired together on equal ruleset, roster and competition.

[warriorfan]

I remeber when you weren

[scuzzy]

Today, 08:52 AM
Today, 08:55 AM

starting to slip there fella

lets try and keep standard response time <60 sec

we know this is extremely important to you :lol

[theballerFKA Ace]

Lebron in crunch time playing for Team USA

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[AirTupac]

Lebron in crunch time playing for Team USA

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Good thing LeBron had X Factor Kobe :applause:

[3ball]

USA would have lost in the final if Kobe hadn't been there

[FKAri]

USA would have lost in the final if Kobe hadn't been there
Spain 2 guard duo were averaging 17ppg on 42%. In the Gold Medal game Kobe held them to an abysmal 40 points on 48% shooting including the dunk of the tournament. We would've won by double figures if not for that shot jacking no defense playing teammate blaming cancer.

[Dr Hawk]

Spain 2 guard duo were averaging 17ppg on 42%. In the Gold Medal game Kobe held them to an abysmal 40 points on 48% shooting including the dunk of the tournament. We would've won by double figures if not for that shot jacking no defense playing teammate blaming cancer.

Kobe was the guy that we, the spaniards, didn't want with the ball. Kobe was the guy who made the plays happen when things got tight in the 4th quarter, assisting, scoring (including a 3+1) and defending, including a block on Pau.

https://youtu.be/fhpVE5Yfvhc

Without Kobe, Spain would have won the gold medal.

[superduper]

Kobe was the guy that we, the spaniards, didn't want with the ball. Kobe was the guy who made the plays happen when things got tight in the 4th quarter, assisting, scoring (including a 3+1) and defending, including a block on Pau.

https://youtu.be/fhpVE5Yfvhc

Without Kobe, Spain would have won the gold medal.

These idiots literally watch basketball through the boxscore stat "FG%".

You're better off ignoring them.

I would call them blatant trolls but they literally think basketball is watched on a statsheet.

[Dr Hawk]

These idiots literally watch basketball through the boxscore stat "FG%".

You're better off ignoring them.

I would call them blatant trolls but they literally think basketball is watched on a statsheet.

I'm really glad basketball can't be measured just by looking at the stats, advanced or not. There is so much more to this sport that math can't reach.

[FKAri]

Kobe was the guy that we, the spaniards, didn't want with the ball. Kobe was the guy who made the plays happen when things got tight in the 4th quarter, assisting, scoring (including a 3+1) and defending, including a block on Pau.

https://youtu.be/fhpVE5Yfvhc

Without Kobe, Spain would have won the gold medal.
I know who the ISH Spaniards are. You're not one of them.

Literally everyone was making offensive plays. Wade, Lebron, Kobe, CP, everyone. Kobe just decided to hijack the offense in spite of that. Regardless, the issue was the defense. Spain was scoring at will. And who was scoring? The guards were getting into the paint and slicing us up. As the pressure mounted, Kobe and Chris Paul started gambling more and more rather than play solid. That's the definition of letting the pressure get to you. In the end Rudy got sent off on a questionable call and that was the actual nail in the coffin.

[superduper]

I'm really glad basketball can't be measured just by looking at the stats, advanced or not. There is so much more to this sport that math can't reach.

Beautifully worded :applause:

The funniest is when people try to measure defense by looking at stats :oldlol:

[FKAri]

I'm really glad basketball can't be measured just by looking at the stats, advanced or not. There is so much more to this sport that math can't reach.
Then I'm glad I was able to qualitatively break it down for you in addition to quantitatively.

[Doranku]

lol @ all the revisionist history.

Kobe put all of team USA on his back and carried those bronze losers to a gold once Spain cut the lead to 2 in the 4th.

[Manny98]

Kobe was the guy that we, the spaniards, didn't want with the ball. Kobe was the guy who made the plays happen when things got tight in the 4th quarter, assisting, scoring (including a 3+1) and defending, including a block on Pau.

https://youtu.be/fhpVE5Yfvhc

Without Kobe, Spain would have won the gold medal.
That 4 point play from Kobe was nice af :applause:

[Smoke117]

lol @ all the revisionist history.

Kobe put all of team USA on his back and carried those bronze losers to a gold once Spain cut the lead to 2 in the 4th.

Yeah, I guess Wade's game leading 27 points and huge three pointer down the stretch means nothing, right? :rolleyes: Idiot.

[StrongLurk]

Wade and Lebron were both better than Kobe in the 08 Olympics...but no one really gives a **** honestly.

[scuzzy]

I'm really glad basketball can't be measured just by looking at the stats, advanced or not. There is so much more to this sport that math can't reach.
Same, that's why it's a blessing North Americans get tipoffs beween 6-10pm

What's the streams like at 3 am EU tip off?

Ironically that's exactly the thing which made those 2008 Olympics so memorable. Us Americans were actually forced to stay up/wake @4-6am to catch those 8 games spoiler free.

1,230 anual games to choose from Oct-Apr. And only a handful during summer every 2-4 years? Oh we vividly remembers watching those

What you and the Kobe brigade don't like to remember is Team USA very much beat the piss out of Spain days earlier by 40 :oldlol:

Kobe's contribution, 11pts.

Lebron + Wade. 34/11/9/6

[SamuraiSWISH]

Bro you’re comparing apples and oranges.

Giannis is the most talented player on a really shitty roster. He should be putting up absurd numbers akin to his NBA totals.

Kobe was the alpha dog on a team that was insanely talented and didn’t need for him to produce to his absolute best in order to win.

Kobe’s main job on that team was being their best lockdown perimeter defender, and he did that.

Not to mention besides Wade, the whole team organically turned to him to save them in the most pressure packed clutch moment of the tournament when they were in a battle with Spain during the Gold Medal game.

[AirTupac]

Kobe was the guy that we, the spaniards, didn't want with the ball. Kobe was the guy who made the plays happen when things got tight in the 4th quarter, assisting, scoring (including a 3+1) and defending, including a block on Pau.

https://youtu.be/fhpVE5Yfvhc

Without Kobe, Spain would have won the gold medal.


Look at all those superstars begging for Kobe to keep going :oldlol:

Melo, CP3, Bosh, LeBron, Wade, Deron Williams "YES CMON KOBE" like little school kids.

[red1]

not gonna lie was great in the clutch that year for the 08 redeem team.



great to see batman aka dwade get some help. :applause:

[Overdrive]

Greek Freak's recent tournament scoring only a fraction below prime Kobe's 14ppg Beijing run


Lebron scored 0,5 points more.

[Doranku]

Same, that's why it's a blessing North Americans get tipoffs beween 6-10pm

What's the streams like at 3 am EU tip off?

Ironically that's exactly the thing which made those 2008 Olympics so memorable. Us Americans were actually forced to stay up/wake @4-6am to catch those 8 games spoiler free.

1,230 anual games to choose from Oct-Apr. And only a handful during summer every 2-4 years? Oh we vividly remembers watching those

What you and the Kobe brigade don't like to remember is Team USA very much beat the piss out of Spain days earlier by 40 :oldlol:

Kobe's contribution, 11pts.

Lebron + Wade. 34/11/9/6

Who cares about that game? :oldlol: That's like comparing a regular season game to game 7 of the finals.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Who cares about that game? :oldlol: That's like comparing a regular season game to game 7 of the finals.
I mean technically dude he is right. Spain was actually better that game. They had Jose Calderon on the floor, who they didn’t have for the gold medal game because he got injured in the tournament.

Obviously there was a difference of intensity between a reg game and the gold medal game

The reason the gold medal game was so extra tight in terms of score, the officials were calling ticky-tacky foul calls on team USA stifling perimeter defense. Which was the reason in the previous game they Molly Whopped and blew Spain out by near 40.

Either way what’s the difference?

Kobe was in foul trouble, and Wade carried them through 3.5 quarters. Dominating Span’s guards.

And when the pressure was at its highest, on the biggest possible stage, and the Spain crowd was getting into it. They all turned to Kobe in the absolute most clutch scenario.

[GimmeThat]

you can read the boxscore from 2008 of what made Kobe unique for the USA team

first, looking at shot attempts between him and Carmelo, you see that Kobe was a 51/53 split in 2/3 and Carmelo was 27/37, now here's the interesting part of it all, your leading 3 point shot attempt as well as 3 point made is tied as your 4th best offensive rebounder.

Lebron was more efficient, but despite playing 10 additional minute to Kobe, he only scored 4 more points while attempting a 5th ranked FTA

as to the 2019 FIBA Giannis

first, lets talk about the identity of this Greece team, they are a team that features length with their point guard at 6'6" as well as 3 forwards above the height of 6'8" and a Center at 7'1". So they aren't going to be the 3 point shooting team the 2008 USA was, and they should rely heavily on defensive rebounding as well as reducing possessions played per game in order to maximize their height.

in the 2 games played, with a 23-33 and a 19-24 AST FG ratio, it's clear offense hadn't been the issue, but their issue is they foul too much, they fouled 18-22 in a game that went 85-60, and was 20-21 against Brazil. Again, it shows their front court rotation is out of whack, in fact, I'm willing to bet they are playing a 3-2 zone instead of a 2-1-2 (2-3) zone.

so as to the comment that Giannis isn't on a stacked team, and should be putting up number leading the tournament.

Giannis's PPS is 1.43, Greece as a team? 1.38

Kobe's PPS was 1.15 compared to USA's 1.50 thanks to his old age on riding out the regression analysis of a 312-150-110 FG AST TO ratio

[sportjames23]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Bro you

[Mr Feeny]

Wade led them to that gold medal and won tournament MVP. Lebron was also great.
Nobody else was quite their elite self but it was enough to provide the help needed to win.

[Mr Feeny]

Full stop. Without Kobe (and Kidd), that team has to settle for Silver.

Sure they do. He was a bonafide role player in that 2008 team. He - like Arenas -is streaky. And when someone is streaky, he gets fed. It doesn't mean he was a better scorer than wade or lebron were during those Olympics. They won the Olympic due to the play of multiple guys but the main guy was Wade. Lebron wasn't far off.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Full stop. Without Kobe (and Kidd), that team has to settle for Silver.
Mos def. Both of them reinserted leadership, intensity, competitiveness, and defense back to Team USA. In 2007 Kobe reintroduced the intimidation factor.

[34-24 Footwork]

Sure they do. He was a bonafide role player in that 2008 team. He - like Arenas -is streaky. And when someone is streaky, he gets fed. It doesn't mean he was a better scorer than wade or lebron were during those Olympics. They won the Olympic due to the play of multiple guys but the main guy was Wade. Lebron wasn't far off.

How did Wade and LeBron do in 2004 and 2006?

[sportjames23]

How did Wade and LeBron do in 2004 and 2006?

Whoopsies

[ImKobe]

Both are best players on their respective teams so good comparison OP.

[LAmbruh]

Sure they do. He was a bonafide role player in that 2008 team. He - like Arenas -is streaky. And when someone is streaky, he gets fed. It doesn't mean he was a better scorer than wade or lebron were during those Olympics. They won the Olympic due to the play of multiple guys but the main guy was Wade. Lebron wasn't far off.
Yup

Same teammates, same competition, same coach, same rules, same barometer: Lo and behold Lebron and Wade overwhelmingly stood out above high shoulders compared to Kobe. Despite, taking far more shots and time of possession.

Scoring arsenal, feeds, blocks, steals, defense, efficiency with crazy athleticism on top. Outshining 95+ class OG's with rather ease

It honestly made you feel bad for die hard Kobe stans who truly believed for years Kobe had it like that. That 08 summer was the tipping point when the hatred for Lebron/Shaq ramped up and basketball seized being enjoyable. (still to this day)

[Rooster]

Sure they do. He was a bonafide role player in that 2008 team. He - like Arenas -is streaky. And when someone is streaky, he gets fed. It doesn't mean he was a better scorer than wade or lebron were during those Olympics. They won the Olympic due to the play of multiple guys but the main guy was Wade. Lebron wasn't far off.


LMAO Bonafide role players does not get the ball to make plays and take tough shots. when all the stars aligned, Kobe was the baddest alpha when it mattered.

[tpols]

Kobe was the guy that we, the spaniards, didn't want with the ball. Kobe was the guy who made the plays happen when things got tight in the 4th quarter, assisting, scoring (including a 3+1) and defending, including a block on Pau.

https://youtu.be/fhpVE5Yfvhc

Without Kobe, Spain would have won the gold medal.


thats always a great perspective.

the opposite side's fear... i remember players i was afraid would bury my team were always the best ones.