Name me a more overrated season than lebrons 2007 postseason

[Rudeboy3]

Dude was inefficient and just piss poor for the entire playoffs. Played two 40 win teams and got carried by his defence. Then played a pistons team with no ben Wallace, apart from the 4th quarter of game 5 against the pistons, he was trash in that series also. And i don't even need to bring up the finals

http://media.cleveland.com/startingblocks/photo/11169028-large.jpg

[ImKobe]

Facts. 14 of his 20 games were below 43%FG and he shot 3/11 in the close-out game in the ECF followed by the worst Finals in NBA history next to his 2011 one.

[Real14]

2011 definitely.

[Rudeboy3]

Facts. 14 of his 20 games were below 43%FG and he shot 3/11 in the close-out game in the ECF followed by the worst Finals in NBA history next to his 2011 one.
let the people who started watching basketball during 2015 tell you, you'd think he averaged 40-15-10 on 80ts% with the way they hype up his 2007 post season. He played bad the majority of the games

[Rudeboy3]

2011 definitely.
na, no one hypes up 2011

[Real14]

na, no one hypes up 2011
Yea you right, 2016 deserve a Honorable mention for most overrated finals tho.

[superduper]

Fax.

OP is neva wrong :rockon:

[Rudeboy3]

Fax.

OP is neva wrong :rockon:
riding me harder than your body pillow https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZijpGlUAAEszIY.png

[superduper]

riding me harder than your body pillow https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZijpGlUAAEszIY.png

You sure seem to have a lot of pictures of this one specific body pillow.

Dafuq is going on Rudeboy? :biggums:

[Doranku]

2007 is actually one of LeBron's worst playoff runs. He had that impressive series against the Pistons with a legendary game 5 performance, but the rest of that run?

Pretty ordinary numbers on low shooting %s against a 40 win Wizards team without Arenas and then a 40 win Nets team in the second round. And of course he was historically awful in the finals against the Spurs.

The Cavs got swept by the Spurs, but they lost their home games by a combined 4 points. Easily could have made it a series if LeBron wasn't shooting 35% with 6 TO/g.

[SouBeachTalents]

2007 is actually one of LeBron's worst playoff runs. He had that impressive series against the Pistons with a legendary game 5 performance, but the rest of that run?

Pretty ordinary numbers on low shooting %s against a 40 win Wizards team without Arenas and then a 40 win Nets team in the second round. And of course he was historically awful in the finals against the Spurs.

The Cavs got swept by the Spurs, but they lost their home games by a combined 4 points. Easily could have made it a series if LeBron wasn't shooting 35% with 6 TO/g.
Which is why I find it mad stupid he gets more praise for that run than '09, hell he even gets clowned for '09 when he played 100x better than he did in '07. Just another example of people putting way too much stock into team performance when evaluating how a player performed individually

[Doranku]

Which is why I find it mad stupid he gets more praise for that run than '09, hell he even gets clowned for '09 when he played 100x better than he did in '07. Just another example of people putting way too much stock into team performance when evaluating how a player performed individually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ebu8Dyi81TI

One of the most dominant playoff series' I've ever seen. Remember, this is the Hawks team that took out peak Wade in the round prior. Bron's explosion in '09 was unreal.

[Proctor]

Pretty much every Yawnis season. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Kawhi this year

Also AI in 01

Iverson is literally the only player that gets praised for shooting 38% from the field

[StrongLurk]

For Lebron, it's his most overrated run.

He was actually a better player all around in the regular season/playoffs for the 2006 season. 2007 he had a small step back.

[MrFonzworth]

Giannis' MVP season. Ducked Philly in the playoffs, still cpuldn't make it out of the east.

[k0kakw0rld]

OP is a Giannis lover. The freak averages 11.5 ppg in the FIBA world cup right now.

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[k0kakw0rld]

Giannis 2019

The man basically will be Lamar Odom without a jumper if he wasn't athletically superior to his peers.

[3ball]

Agree 100% OP

Lebron was better in 05', but the 05' Cavs were too crappy to make the playoffs, even with Lebron's 07' production level:


05' LBJ:. 27/7/7.. 55.4 ts.. 25.7 PER.. 0.203 ws/48.. 8.3 bpm.. 8.8 vorp.. 9 seed, lottery
07' LBJ:. 27/7/6.. 55.2 ts.. 24.5 PER.. 0.206 ws/48.. 7.4 bpm.. 7.6 vorp.. 2 seed, Finals


So it's false that lebron can carry any team to the playoffs..

To make the playoffs with Lebron's 27/7/7 approach, those Cavs needed personnel additions (added a 22/5/5 first team defender) and brought in the future COY - only then did they make the playoffs in 06'

[SouBeachTalents]

Agree 100% OP

Lebron was better in 05', but the 05' Cavs were too crappy to make the playoffs, even with Lebron's 07' production level:


05' LBJ:. 27/7/7.. 55.4 ts.. 25.7 PER.. 0.203 ws/48.. 8.3 bpm.. 8.8 vorp.. 9 seed, lottery
07' LBJ:. 27/7/6.. 55.2 ts.. 24.5 PER.. 0.206 ws/48.. 7.4 bpm.. 7.6 vorp.. 2 seed, Finals


So it's false that lebron can carry any team to the playoffs..

To make the playoffs with Lebron's 27/7/7 approach, those Cavs needed personnel additions (added a 22/5/5 first team defender) and brought in the future COY - only then did they make the playoffs in 06'
2005 Cavs: 42-40

1985 Bulls: 38-44
1986 Bulls: 30-52
1987 Bulls: 40-42

[tpols]

jason kidd went back to back finals with better performances... and used to spank detroit. took peak duncan spurs to 4-2.

the nets are the team the pistons had to get by to truly contend for rings.

and jason kidd's legacy is nowhere near as high as lebron's.

[3ball]

Conference that AI/Kidd beat with weak casts from 01-03, lebron in 07', Dwight in 09'

2005 Cavs: 42-40 (lebron teams up with current 2-time all-star Center, yet misses playoffs)

2007 Cavs: 50-32 (lebron adds a 22/5/5 first team defender plus future COY to make playoffs in 06/07)



Conference that required juggernaut champions to win from 80-98')

1985 Bulls: 38-44 (zero teammates with accolades; 1-man show
1986 Bulls: 30-52 (zero teammates with accolades; 1-man show
1987 Bulls: 40-42 (zero teammates with accolades; 1-man show



Imagine getting 42 and 50 wins with only 27/7/7.... :facepalm

Meanwhile, MJ gets 33/8/8 and wins 47

or he gets s 37/5/5 and ties Wilt as the only guys to score 3000 (largest margin ever over #2 scorer) = 40 wins

MJ's weaker cast and tougher conference required better stats and domination - mj's early stats destroy lebron's






2005 Cavs: 42-40

1985 Bulls: 38-44
1986 Bulls: 30-52
1987 Bulls: 40-42



Stats and cast for mj/lebron's first 3 playoff seasons


REGULAR SEASON

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:per_game):. 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game):. 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds


PLAYOFFS

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals


Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)

Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron

[GimmeThat]

you mean the season where his contract extension was up and he said "yeah, lets bring everyone back and see how much more help we can get along the years"

well, the 88-89 Lakers? interesting to note, 2 of Magic Johnson's MVP came after he won 5 championships rings as well as 3 FMVP. meaning, he was the guy that people subconsciously never cared about, and by the time he made people care about him, swept in the finals.

[guy]

It is very overrated. Him getting to the finals is more of an illustration of how weak the East was vs how great he is. He is obviously great, but it’s no coincidence this was after the Pistons lost Ben Wallace and didn’t go into complacency mode and the Shaq/Wade Heat were essentially done and before the big 3 Celtics. The East has always been weak since the 90s, but for much of it there were still some really good teams.

[superduper]

Giannis' MVP season. Ducked Philly in the playoffs, still cpuldn't make it out of the east.

Boom.

[Hey Yo]

People who keep referencing "no Ben Wallace" fail to understand that Detroit still ended up with the best record in the East that year.

Wallace was All-Defense 2nd team for Chicago while avg. 6-10 and 2blks. He finished 6th in DPOY voting. Nothing mind shattering about that.

[SouBeachTalents]

People who keep referencing "no Ben Wallace" fail to understand that Detroit still ended up with the best record in the East that year.

Wallace was All-Defense 2nd team for Chicago while avg. 6-10 and 2blks. He finished 6th in DPOY voting. Nothing mind shattering about that.
That's not saying much bro. Some extremely mediocre teams like the '02 Nets, '03 Pistons, '17 Celtics were the 1 seed with 50-53 wins

[Stringer Bell]

Also AI in 01

Iverson is literally the only player that gets praised for shooting 38% from the field

The rest of the team doesn

[superduper]

The rest of the team doesn’t get enough credit. I can’t really knock Iverson much for his low shooting percentages as it was his job on offense to try to carry the team. Larry Brown advised him to take a ton of shots, and he was the only one who could really create his own shot. He drew a lot of attention from defenses, to say the least.

But this narrative of how he dragged a bunch of scrubs to the finals is unfair to the rest of the team. They were a very good defensive team and had a decent set of role players to compliment AI. There was one playoff game, I think in the ECF, where Iverson was like 5 of 27 and Philly still won. Opposing SGs always put up big numbers on AI, but Philly still was able to win the East with the other players stepping up, playing good D, doing the little things, etc...

And these are the kind of role players that are in high demand today with teams throwing 20mil/year at these types of players.

[Hey Yo]

That's not saying much bro. Some extremely mediocre teams like the '02 Nets, '03 Pistons, '17 Celtics were the 1 seed with 50-53 wins
True....... but if he was THAT huge of a difference maker (like a lot are making him out to be), then they wouldn't have sniffed 50 wins. Detroit wouldn't have let him walk for under 3mil per year extra that Chicago offered over 4yrs

[superduper]

Hey guys Ben Wallace had no impact on the Pistons apparently



























































:roll:

[Replay32]

Dude was inefficient and just piss poor for the entire playoffs. Played two 40 win teams and got carried by his defence. Then played a pistons team with no ben Wallace, apart from the 4th quarter of game 5 against the pistons, he was trash in that series also. And i don't even need to bring up the finals

http://media.cleveland.com/startingblocks/photo/11169028-large.jpg

I agree. Not just in the playoffs. He fell off the whole season compared to 2006.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

True....... but if he was THAT huge of a difference maker (like a lot are making him out to be), then they wouldn't have sniffed 50 wins. Detroit wouldn't have let him walk for under 3mil per year extra that Chicago offered over 4yrs

:lol

Ladies and Gentleman.

Meet ... LeBron fans

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hey guys Ben Wallace had no impact on the Pistons apparently

:roll:

Chicago won 2 less games after Jordan retired.

No championship. Not even a conference finals, bro. 2 less games in the regular-season.

What a bum.

[Hey Yo]

:lol

Ladies and Gentleman.

Meet ... LeBron fans
Detroit let him walk for less than 12mil over 4yrs. Got nothing in return. They obviously thought his best days were over with after 2006.

[Rudeboy3]

Kawhi this year

Also AI in 01

Iverson is literally the only player that gets praised for shooting 38% from the field
AI is the most overrated player in league history

[Rudeboy3]

Giannis 2019

The man basically will be Lamar Odom without a jumper if he wasn't athletically superior to his peers.
rent free :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Wally450]

After watching the FIBA world cup, Giannis gets my vote. At least LeBron went to the Finals.

[3ball]

2005 Cavs: 42-40

1985 Bulls: 38-44
1986 Bulls: 30-52
1987 Bulls: 40-42


^^^ it's pretty shallow to assume that lower-win 8 seeds = weaker conference.. it has little correlation at all, and generally means there are very strong teams in the top half of the seeds.

Not only did MJ face a top-heavy conference with strong teams in the first 4 seeds, but in-conference teams played each other 6 times per year back then (23-team league), versus 3 times a year today (30-team league).. So the top seeds realized their advantage twice as much against the lower seeds as Lebron's conference..

So Lebron faced weaker teams at the top of his conference, and his teams were infact among the top 4 seeds every year, proving that it was easier to become a good team in that weak conference.. Jermaine O'Neal's Pacers, Odom's Heat, and Kidd's Nets were among the top 4 seeds in 04' when Lebron missed the playoffs.

Now with the negligible discrepancies in team records taken care of, we can see who needed more help make the playoffs - MJ needed nothing, while Lebron needed the current 2-time all-star center, an all-defense perimeter sidekick, and a future COY.. and he missed the playoffs with a 2-time all-star center (9 seed in 05'), before adding the perimeter sidekick and COY to make it in 06' (4 seed).

[3ball]

Giannis' MVP season. Ducked Philly in the playoffs, still cpuldn't make it out of the east.



Oh hell no - 07' Lebron was much worse, even his jumper


Giannis 19' ECF.n vs. Champs - 23/14/6 on 44.8 fg.. 23.7% on jumpers
Lebron. 07' Finals vs. Champs - 22/7/6.. on 35.6 fg.. 17.9% on jumpers


...which shows how much lebron gets a pass and another indication he's overrated


Links for jumpshot stats:

Giannis: https://stats.nba.com/player/203507/...offs&PORound=3

Lebron: https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/sh...offs&PORound=4

[LostCause]

True....... but if he was THAT huge of a difference maker (like a lot are making him out to be), then they wouldn't have sniffed 50 wins. Detroit wouldn't have let him walk for under 3mil per year extra that Chicago offered over 4yrs

Why would they not still win 50 games? That doesnt logically follow. Worse teams have won 50 games

Try that argument again with an actual reason, fam


Detroit let him walk for less than 12mil over 4yrs. Got nothing in return. They obviously thought his best days were over with after 2006.

Yet he went to Chicago and they swept the defending champs in the 1st round that year. His defense was huge that series

You're approaching Manny levels of stupidity here

[sdot_thadon]

Sure, had he not had the monster game vs Detroit it would be fair to say it was overrated. The fact that he had one of the more legendary games in recent memory basically says it's notable for that moment although pretty much every other playoff run he's had was better. Not bad to say a run where he did what he did to Detroit was his worst run......at 22 yrs old.

[Rudeboy3]

Oh hell no - 07' Lebron was much worse, even his jumper


Giannis 19' ECF.n vs. Champs - 23/14/6 on 44.8 fg.. 23.7% on jumpers
Lebron. 07' Finals vs. Champs - 22/7/6.. on 35.6 fg.. 17.9% on jumpers


...which shows how much lebron gets a pass and another indication he's overrated


Links for jumpshot stats:

Giannis: https://stats.nba.com/player/203507/...offs&PORound=3

Lebron: https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/sh...offs&PORound=4


Bring out the receipts, bron is sooo overrated. Giannis>>>Bron in any season

[Rudeboy3]

After watching the FIBA world cup, Giannis gets my vote. At least LeBron went to the Finals.
very easy to get to the finals when you face 2 40 win teams in the first two rounds and a depleted pistons team. All while getting carried by your defence