U.S. drone strike kills 30 pine nut farm workers in Afghanistan

[Bosnian Sajo]

JALALABAD (Reuters) - A U.S. drone strike intended to hit an Islamic State (IS) hideout in Afghanistan killed at least 30 civilians resting after a day’s labor in the fields, officials said on Thursday.

The attack on Wednesday night also injured 40 people after accidentally targeting farmers and laborers who had just finished collecting pine nuts at mountainous Wazir Tangi in eastern Nangarhar province, three Afghan officials told Reuters.

“The workers had lit a bonfire and were sitting together when a drone targeted them,” tribal elder Malik Rahat Gul told Reuters by telephone from Wazir Tangi.

Afghanistan’s Defense Ministry and a senior U.S official in Kabul confirmed the drone strike, but did not share details of civilian casualties.

“U.S. forces conducted a drone strike against Da’esh (IS) terrorists in Nangarhar,” said Colonel Sonny Leggett, a spokesman for U.S. forces in Afghanistan. “We are aware of allegations of the death of non-combatants and are working with local officials to determine the facts.”

Haidar Khan, who owns the pine nut fields, said about 150 workers were there for harvesting, with some still missing as well as the confirmed dead and injured.

A survivor of the drone strike said about 200 laborers were sleeping in five tents pitched near the farm when the attack happened.

“Some of us managed to escape, some were injured but many were killed,” said Juma Gul, a resident of northeastern Kunar province who had traveled along with laborers to harvest and shell pine nuts this week.

The exact number of IS fighters is difficult to calculate because they frequently switch allegiances, but the U.S. military estimates there are about 2,000.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-attack-drones/u-s-drone-strike-kills-30-pine-nut-farm-workers-in-afghanistan-idUSKBN1W40NW?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=reddit.com

Just the USA killing more civilians and non combatants in the name of freedom and "intent" to kill Islamic State forces. Mind you, there are ONLY 2,000 of those ****ers in Afghanistan...how can you assume a group of people sitting around a lit bonfire are with IS and not just regular people trying to make a dollar?? This will inevitably get completely swept under the rug yet again and no one will bat an eye. It's ONLY TERRORISM when it happens to a non-Muslim country. But you can kill all the civilians you want in places like Afghanistan and get away with it.


Disgusting.

[scuzzy]

thank god they didn't strike the poppy plantation

[Im so nba'd out]

Disgusting

I cant defend this bs

[Patrick Chewing]

Mistakes happen. Sometimes bad intel is given. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last.

Life goes on.

[LAmbruh]

Mistakes happen. Sometimes bad intel is given. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last.

Life goes on.
Not for them :facepalm


This is how terrorists recruit

[Bosnian Sajo]

Mistakes happen. Sometimes bad intel is given. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last.

Life goes on.



Is this the message you'd send to the families of these people who have to live the rest of their lives knowing their father/uncle/son/daughter were killed due to "bad intel"?


"Our bad, but mistakes happen. You guys will be ok. Remember, we are here for your benefit! Remember that and don't hate us!".



At what point does America become the terrorist and the "terrorist groups" become people defending themselves?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Not for them :facepalm


This is how terrorists recruit


Bingo. Thank you, Lambruh. Only thing is idek if you can consider them terrorists after their loved ones get killed for no reason. To them, the US military is the terrorist...is it not?


This isn't just 30 people dead and 40 injured. Each and every one of those people have family and friends who are directly effected by this. How can we blame them for hating us?

[highwhey]

question for trump supporters, is this winning?

[TheMan]

Mistakes happen. Sometimes bad intel is given. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last.

Life goes on.:biggums:

I refuse to believe you're a Catholic...killing is wrong and it's a mortal sin, especially when innocent people are involved.

Be gone demon! Into the depths of hell may you rot!

[rufuspaul]

Good thing this never happened under the Obama administration. Oh wait, it did, like thousands of times.

FYI the Taliban kill civilians all the time. Just yesterday they exploded a truck outside a hospital and killed dozens of women and children. When this happens the Taliban says it's the victim's fault for getting too close.




200 laborers were sleeping in five tents


WTF? Were they stacked like firewood?

[SomeBlackDude]

This is how terrorists recruit

yep. makes their pitch to the public infinitely easier.

who would really blame the survivors of this, or afghanis in general, for becoming at the very least indifferent towards isil/al qaeda/the taliban? :confusedshrug:

and this is just one of many similar incidents, in several countries.

[highwhey]

Good thing this never happened under the Obama administration. Oh wait, it did, like thousands of times.

FYI the Taliban kill civilians all the time. Just yesterday they exploded a truck outside a hospital and killed dozens of women and children. When this happens the Taliban says it's the victim's fault for getting too close.




WTF? Were they stacked like firewood?
and it wasn't ok under him either. this whole drone strike program seems like any loosely verified intel is enough to certify a drone strike...wtf?

it's literally creating new terrorists.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Good thing this never happened under the Obama administration. Oh wait, it did, like thousands of times.


Do you see anything about Trump or Obama in the OP? Idgaf who the president is.



FYI the Taliban kill civilians all the time. Just yesterday they exploded a truck outside a hospital and killed dozens of women and children. When this happens the Taliban says it's the victim's fault for getting too close.


So if the Taliban do it, then it's fine if we do it. Is that seriously your rational?

I'm not affiliated in any way, shape, or form with that group. I AM HOWEVER, affiliated with the United States. This is my home and the country I reside in.

[Facepalm]

Do you see anything about Trump or Obama in the OP? Idgaf who the president is.



So if the Taliban do it, then it's fine if we do it. Is that seriously your rational?

I'm not affiliated in any way, shape, or form with that group. I AM HOWEVER, affiliated with the United States. This is my home and the country I reside in.
He's pre-conditioned to defend, obfuscate, and deny anything and everything Trump related. Even if we aren't talking about him. Trumpettes can't help themselves.

[Rolando]

Good thing the recent peace talks fell apart....phew! That was close. Got to keep those troops in there to support the upcoming war in Iran. That was the plan all along anyway....It has just taken a bit longer than anticipated....Hence the endless "war" in Afghanistan.

[MaxFly]

This sort of thing is terrible and reprehensible. I understand our reliance on drones... it keeps our troops safe, it's relatively effective, and we can act quickly and decisively when threats are found and identified. However, we need to take a step back and acknowledge that were are consistently killing civilians and innocents. There needs to be far more public oversight and accountability. In this instance, if the reports hold up and these were indeed innocents, who loses their job? Who is tried and jailed? We're not talking civilians mixed with terrorists. We're talking just civilians.

[Patrick Chewing]

Is this the message you'd send to the families of these people who have to live the rest of their lives knowing their father/uncle/son/daughter were killed due to "bad intel"?


"Our bad, but mistakes happen. You guys will be ok. Remember, we are here for your benefit! Remember that and don't hate us!".



At what point does America become the terrorist and the "terrorist groups" become people defending themselves?


America isn't the enemy to Afghans. It's the terrorist cells and it's the Taliban. If Afghanistan had a legitimate government and weren't overrun by terrorists, then we would not be getting involved. So the only one the Afghans have to blame is themselves. Hard truths my man.

[Bosnian Sajo]

America isn't the enemy to Afghans. It's the terrorist cells and it's the Taliban. If Afghanistan had a legitimate government and weren't overrun by terrorists, then we would not be getting involved. So the only one the Afghans have to blame is themselves. Hard truths my man.

Patrick...you don't even believe that.

Look at the POV of the family and friends of the 30 people that died and 40 that got injured, the Taliban didn't send out this drone to harm their loved ones. Who do they hold this against?

I'm not playing your game, find someone else to play with.

[Patrick Chewing]

:biggums:

I refuse to believe you're a Catholic...killing is wrong and it's a mortal sin, especially when innocent people are involved.

Be gone demon! Into the depths of hell may you rot!


The hell are you talking about? All I said was that mistakes happen. Nowhere did I say or imply that killing innocent civilians is warranted or celebrated. You're insinuating that this was a deliberate attack.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You're insinuating that this was a deliberate attack.



...It was exactly that. What, you wanna argue that the drone acted in self defense??

[Patrick Chewing]

Patrick...you don't even believe that.

Look at the POV of the family and friends of the 30 people that died and 40 that got injured, the Taliban didn't send out this drone to harm their loved ones. Who do they hold this against?

I'm not playing your game, find someone else to play with.


Don't believe what? That the Taliban is the true enemy to Afghans? That's irrefutable. So what part of what I said is untrue and I shouldn't believe?

Yes, what happened was tragic. No one is denying this. But I'm not going to burn the world down because of it, when everyone knows full well that the bigger threat to Afghanistan is the terrorists that run that country and that recruit with or without American drones dropping a bomb on the wrong target.

[Patrick Chewing]

...It was exactly that. What, you wanna argue that the drone acted in self defense??


A deliberate attack on innocent civilians, genius. The order wasn't to kill innocent people. Come on man, you're smarter than this.

[Patrick Chewing]

Look at the POV of the family and friends of the 30 people that died and 40 that got injured, the Taliban didn't send out this drone to harm their loved ones. Who do they hold this against?




The question these people should be asking is why has the US been dropping bombs from drones in the first place. Not who dropped this bomb on us this time around.

You're making Afghans out to be simple goat-herders incapable of seeing the big picture of why other countries intervene in the first place. If the United States isn't dropping bombs on terrorists, then who will?

[sammichoffate]

Do we really need to keep spending billions and trillions of tax dollars to kill random targets for the next decade instead of taking care of the country's domestic issues Chewing? Actual question, food for thought.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do we really need to keep spending billions and trillions of tax dollars to kill random targets for the next decade instead of taking care of the country's domestic issues Chewing? Actual question, food for thought.


Drone strikes are a lot cheaper than putting boots on the ground, but I'm with you. We're going to need the money to feed all these hungry mouths that keep crossing the border on a daily basis.

[stalkerforlife]

OP enjoys American freedom and opportunity and won't surrender either, but he has the audacity to criticize why he lives the way he does.

Pathetic.

[Bosnian Sajo]

OP enjoys American freedom and opportunity and won't surrender either, but he has the audacity to criticize why he lives the way he does.

Pathetic.


I'm struggling to understand what exactly you are trying to say here. We have freedom and opportunity because the military is overseas killing civilians? Is that your argument?

[rufuspaul]

Do you see anything about Trump or Obama in the OP? Idgaf who the president is.



Oh really? Where was all your outrage when this sort of thing was happening over and over during the Obama years? :confusedshrug:



He's pre-conditioned to defend, obfuscate, and deny anything and everything Trump related. Even if we aren't talking about him. Trumpettes can't help themselves.

Oh shut up and go and change your armor Kevin.

[Patrick Chewing]

Oh really? Where was all your outrage when this sort of thing was happening over and over during the Obama years? :confusedshrug:




Well, to his defense, he was avoiding being labeled a racist by criticizing a Black person. :lol

[Bosnian Sajo]

Oh really? Where was all your outrage when this sort of thing was happening over and over during the Obama years? :confusedshrug:





Do you know of an efficient way to search through ISH to find posts? Because I've been going on about this bs since 9er was here back in 2013.


Me, J$, imdaman, red1 and more have always talked about the injustice of Muslims...it's always been the same group to argue against it, the 9ers...pat chewing..tomtucker...welcome to that illustrious group, rufus.


Again dude...idgaf about your lord and savior Trump, I haven't mentioned him once in this thread other than in replies to you. Politely **** off if that's all you wanna talk about.


FYI, I'm on record saying Obama is probably one of the worst presidents due to this very issue, killing civilians and non combatants. It's EXACTLY why I didn't vote for Hillary, either.


You Trump guys are obsessed, I don't wanna talk about him.

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm


sad

[Loco 50]

I'm struggling to understand what exactly you are trying to say here. We have freedom and opportunity because the military is overseas killing civilians? Is that your argument?
You're attempting to use logic on a population of 1 part troll and 1 part true believing foxbots. Either way, that's futile.

Save your passion/discussion for moderates in real life.

PS: I honestly wonder if even Stalker knows what he really believes anymore he trolls so hard. He just exists to stir shit up. He's smarter than most give him for here, but he ain't that smart.

PPS: These strikes are reprehensible, same as they were under Obama. This shit creates terrorists. I'd dedicate the rest of my life towards ending anybody that took out my family as collateral damage, purposely or not.

[stalkerforlife]

I'm struggling to understand what exactly you are trying to say here. We have freedom and opportunity because the military is overseas killing civilians? Is that your argument?

Yes.

[stalkerforlife]

You're attempting to use logic on a population of 1 part troll and 1 part true believing foxbots. Either way, that's futile.

Save your passion/discussion for moderates in real life.

PS: I honestly wonder if even Stalker knows what he really believes anymore he trolls so hard. He just exists to stir shit up. He's smarter than most give him for here, but he ain't that smart.

You're overthinking everything.

And you give me too much credit; I'm really stupid.

But I know more than anyone.

See how stupid that sounds?

Anyhow, just stop overthinking.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You're overthinking everything.

And you give me too much credit; I'm really stupid.

But I know more than anyone.

See how stupid that sounds?

Anyhow, just stop overthinking.


Stalk, I'm supportive of you on this forum and encourage you to be involved, sharing stories and what not...but could we please do without the trolling for a lil? It's bad enough with Patty over here.

[Loco 50]

You're overthinking everything.

And you give me too much credit; I'm really stupid.

But I know more than anyone.

See how stupid that sounds?

Anyhow, just stop overthinking.
It's much easier to get over on people when they think you're dumb, isn't it?

We'd get along in real life, I just wish you'd use your powers for good.

[Shogon]

It's 30 foreigners and it couldn't happen at home, so nobody cares.

If a guy shoots up a mall and kills 5 people? National ****ing meltdown, let me tell you. Ban all guns NOW!!! BAN "ASSAULT" RIFLES NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

In short, people are retarded. You... you reading this... you're probably retarded.

[stalkerforlife]

It's much easier to get over on people when they think you're dumb, isn't it?

We'd get along in real life, I just wish you'd use your powers for good.

As someone with severe emotional trauma, acceptance and compliments make me extremely uncomfortable and make me cringe and want to destroy something.

Please treat me like shit.

Thank you in advance.

[Patrick Chewing]

Me, J$, imdaman, red1 and more have always talked about the injustice of Muslims...it's always been the same group to argue against it, the 9ers...pat chewing..tomtucker...welcome to that illustrious group, rufus.



The problem you guys have is that you never look inwardly at yourselves. Guys like you move from these war torn countries and live the good life in Western societies, yet you continuously blame Western society for attempting to fix the problem that caused you to move here in the first place.

The biggest threat to Muslims and the biggest injustice committed towards Muslims is by......fellow Muslims. Millions of Muslims are violently killed by other Muslims on a yearly basis, yet here you are creating a thread and freaking the hell out about a drone strike that mistakenly killed 30 people. I mean, WTF??


This is why you will always face backlash from the likes of us.

[stalkerforlife]

It's 30 foreigners and it couldn't happen at home, so nobody cares.

If a guy shoots up a mall and kills 5 people? National ****ing meltdown, let me tell you. Ban all guns NOW!!! BAN "ASSAULT" RIFLES NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!

In short, people are retarded. You... you reading this... you're probably retarded.

:roll:

I'm definitely retarded.

[Bosnian Sajo]

The problem you guys have is that you never look inwardly at yourselves. Guys like you move from these war torn countries and live the good life in Western societies, yet you continuously blame Western society for attempting to fix the problem that caused you to move here in the first place.

The biggest threat to Muslims and the biggest injustice committed towards Muslims is by......fellow Muslims. Millions of Muslims are violently killed by other Muslims on a yearly basis, yet here you are creating a thread and freaking the hell out about a drone strike that mistakenly killed 30 people. I mean, WTF??


This is why you will always face backlash from the likes of us.


I'm in this country because a Orthodox Christian kicked my family out of their house at gun point in the middle of a war. We didn't get the house back until 13 years after the war. The entire city, mind you, was wiped clean of my people. In 1990 (before war), that specific city was 20% muslim, 50% orthodox, 30% catholic. Today it is 95% orthodox.



Tryyyyyy againnnn

[rufuspaul]

Do you know of an efficient way to search through ISH to find posts? Because I've been going on about this bs since 9er was here back in 2013.


Me, J$, imdaman, red1 and more have always talked about the injustice of Muslims...it's always been the same group to argue against it, the 9ers...pat chewing..tomtucker...welcome to that illustrious group, rufus.


Again dude...idgaf about your lord and savior Trump, I haven't mentioned him once in this thread other than in replies to you. Politely **** off if that's all you wanna talk about.


FYI, I'm on record saying Obama is probably one of the worst presidents due to this very issue, killing civilians and non combatants. It's EXACTLY why I didn't vote for Hillary, either.


You Trump guys are obsessed, I don't wanna talk about him.


FYI I have always been against illegal drone strikes, especially in countries like Pakistan, with whom we supposedly aren't in conflict.

I've been on here longer than you. This is the first thread I've ever seen you make on the subject of drones and it's obviously because it looks bad for the current administration. It's okay to have a bias. Just admit it.

[Loco 50]

As someone with severe emotional trauma, acceptance and compliments make me extremely uncomfortable and make me cringe and want to destroy something.

Please treat me like shit.

Thank you in advance.
:oldlol: I will do my best to withhold compliments from here on out.

I just don't like it when people pile up on you and I won't be doing the same.

Emotional trauma is something to be used as a tool to communicate and help others who may not be as far along as you in recovery, if you are able. Not as a weapon to make others miserable.

My 2 cents, and I'll leave you be.

[stalkerforlife]

:oldlol: I will do my best to withhold compliments from here on out.

I just don't like it when people pile up on you and I won't be doing the same.

Emotional trauma is something to be used as a tool to communicate and help others who may not be as far along as you in recovery, if you are able. Not as a weapon to make others miserable.

My 2 cents, and I'll leave you be.

From a viewpoint where I'm normal, thank you for not bullying me.

It's really hurtful, from a normal viewpoint, of course.

:cheers:

[Bosnian Sajo]

PPS: These strikes are reprehensible, same as they were under Obama. This shit creates terrorists. I'd dedicate the rest of my life towards ending anybody that took out my family as collateral damage, purposely or not.


@Patty, you'd do the same.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'm in this country because a Orthodox Christian kicked my family out of their house at gun point in the middle of a war. We didn't get the house back until 13 years after the war. The entire city, mind you, was wiped clean of my people. In 1990 (before war), that specific city was 20% muslim, 50% orthodox, 30% catholic. Today it is 95% orthodox.



Tryyyyyy againnnn


Who's the biggest threat to Muslims? Why do Muslims flee Muslim countries?


Answer me that.

[Bosnian Sajo]

FYI I have always been against illegal drone strikes, especially in countries like Pakistan, with whom we supposedly aren't in conflict.

I've been on here longer than you. This is the first thread I've ever seen you make on the subject of drones and it's obviously because it looks bad for the current administration. It's okay to have a bias. Just admit it.

And whose fault is it that this is the first thread you've clicked on that I've created??? "Ive been on here longer than you" Want a cookie?


Idk how else to prove to you that I didn't make this thread with Trump or his people in mind, you're the ONLY ONE bringing him up.


Unbelievable. You're playing the victim when nobody is even saying anything about your trump group.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Who's the biggest threat to Muslims? Why do Muslims flee Muslim countries?


Answer me that.


Because the boys come over and destroy everything. Then, once it's time to "rebuild <InsertArabCountry>", the contracts are giving to whatever politician at the time owns a construction company in order to fill their pockets with US tax dollars.


Look at Iraq w/Cheney as your goto in order to understand exactly why America is constantly at war in the Middle East. Americas biggest moneymaker is war. By killing civilians over and over again, they are solidifying their market by creating a new generation of "terrorists". Not to say there is no such thing as an evil terrorist, ofc we've seen the Paris bombings, 9/11 etc....but how did that come about. You think it just randomly happened? Or did maybe someone, oh idk, **** up the persons life that decided to go down that evil route?


Understand Patty?

[rufuspaul]

Want a cookie?




Why yes! Thank you. White chocolate Macadamia nut would be especially nice.



Denial is not a river in Egypt my friend

[Bosnian Sajo]

Why yes! Thank you. White chocolate Macadamia nut would be especially nice.



Denial is not a river in Egypt my friend


Don't forget to brush your teeth!


Denial is up your ass my compatriot

[rufuspaul]

Because the boys come over and destroy everything. Then, once it's time to "rebuild <InsertArabCountry>", the contracts are giving to whatever politician at the time owns a construction company in order to fill their pockets with US tax dollars.


Look at Iraq w/Cheney as your goto in order to understand exactly why America is constantly at war in the Middle East. Americas biggest moneymaker is war. By killing civilians over and over again, they are solidifying their market by creating a new generation of "terrorists". Not to say there is no such thing as an evil terrorist, ofc we've seen the Paris bombings, 9/11 etc....but how did that come about. You think it just randomly happened? Or did maybe someone, oh idk, **** up the persons life that decided to go down that evil route?


Understand Patty?


So Islam had no history of violence before the bad ole U S of A existed?

[Bosnian Sajo]

So Islam had no history of violence before the bad ole U S of A existed?


Nothing more than the good ol' jolly Christian history of violence, no. Less actually, far less. It's why we're the religion of peace!



Especially nothing as bad as what happened in WWII.

[rufuspaul]

Oh okay so Christians and Americans are the problem. Got it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Because the boys come over and destroy everything. Then, once it's time to "rebuild <InsertArabCountry>", the contracts are giving to whatever politician at the time owns a construction company in order to fill their pockets with US tax dollars.


Look at Iraq w/Cheney as your goto in order to understand exactly why America is constantly at war in the Middle East. Americas biggest moneymaker is war. By killing civilians over and over again, they are solidifying their market by creating a new generation of "terrorists". Not to say there is no such thing as an evil terrorist, ofc we've seen the Paris bombings, 9/11 etc....but how did that come about. You think it just randomly happened? Or did maybe someone, oh idk, **** up the persons life that decided to go down that evil route?


Understand Patty?


:facepalm


I'm glad to see that you reaffirm my belief that a vast majority of Muslims downright refuse to look at themselves in the mirror. It's a sin for you guys to criticize each other, much less your teachings.

The evidence and truth is out there that the majority of terror victims are Muslim, but yet here you are on record completely glossing over that fact, and blaming the big bad American government for the problems in the Middle East.

Pathetic.

[Patrick Chewing]

Nothing more than the good ol' jolly Christian history of violence, no. Less actually, far less. It's why we're the religion of peace!



Especially nothing as bad as what happened in WWII.



:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[red1]

They've come a long way with the accuracy of the drones they use but they still have to be more careful. 30 people is way too high it's not like they accidentally killed a family member of a known militant. We would never hear the end of it if the roles were reversed deservedly so, an afghan killing 30 innocent Americans.


I'm not gonna lie these drones do a lot of good for example U.S. drones take out al-shabaab militants which is good because those morons are an obstacle for the hardworking Somalis who are busting their ass to develop the country's infrastructure.

Let's not deceive ourselves though the powers that be in the U.S. don't do a single thing that doesn't benefit them but hey that's fair and I'm with that - you scratch my back I scratch yours.

[iamgine]

Unfortunately, as Pat said, these things happen. It's the accepted consequences of fighting terrorists, sometimes innocent people gets killed. But we accept that as the necessary cost.

[stalkerforlife]

Beyond all the BS, any decent person feels bad for casualties of war.

I feel terrible for the decent Muslims just trying to live their lives.

I hate this world and that's part of the reason I believe in the Bible; the world will be completely destroyed one day due to sinful barbaric humans.

God is good and I believe a better place awaits us.

[superduper]

Mistakes happen. Sometimes bad intel is given. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last.

Life goes on.

You always say stuff like this until it'll eventually happen to you one day.

[red1]

Beyond all the BS, any decent person feels bad for casualties of war.

I feel terrible for the decent Muslims just trying to live their lives.

I hate this world and that's part of the reason I believe in the Bible; the world will be completely destroyed one day due to sinful barbaric humans.

God is good and I believe a better place awaits us.
That's very decent of you. I know in my soul that everything will be alright, that there's a purpose to life that we just can't grasp and that includes all of the tragedies.


That's why I'm big on decency and don't care at all about being "good" or being a good person because that's in the eye of the beholder and in today's world that term is politicized nonsense. Look at the clown trudeau and what he's going through and it's just more proof you can't please everyone.


Instead to me it's all about decency - cleaning up after ourselves and not shitting and pissing on everything while we're here. Life is good we just have to consciously choose to make it better and better.

[nathanjizzle]

Mistakes happen. Sometimes bad intel is given. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last.

Life goes on.

Unfortunately, as Pat said, these things happen. It's the accepted consequences of fighting terrorists, sometimes innocent people gets killed. But we accept that as the necessary cost.

no. but when you "uncuff" the military, civilian casualty goes up. Dont you remember retard trump saying this and you morons cheering him? theres a reason why obama was diligent with airstrikes, hes also diligent with other aspects of society implementing proper regulation, the same regulations trump dismantled with gross negligence and its going to have negative consequences. so go ahead and take the L, trumptards are responsible for these excessive and unnecessary civilian casualties, and dont mark it up to "oh its just the consequences of war, mistakes happen", no, these arent just mistakes, they are a direct result in the high number of airstrikes allowed by trumps "unchained" military. its directly your faults for voting and supporting a moron.




The United Nations mission in Afghanistan reported recently that U.S. airstrikes and Afghan security forces killed more civilians in the first half of 2019 than the Taliban did.

The mission says “pro-government forces” killed 717 civilians while “anti-government forces” killed 531, and 118 deaths could not be attributed.

The Trump administration has also escalated the U.S. war against Shabab militants in Somalia, launching 123 airstrikes since early 2017. That’s four times as many as the Obama administration conducted over eight years.

Instead, most of the increase in civilian casualties has stemmed from a sharp increase in U.S. and allied airstrikes. The Pentagon says its forces in Afghanistan conducted 1,302 airstrikes in the first seven months of this year; that’s more than any full year since 2013.

trumptards have the blood of innocent people on their hands. "oh its whatever, life goes on"

[Patrick Chewing]

You always say stuff like this until it'll eventually happen to you one day.


Say stuff like what? That mistakes like this happen in times of war? It happens all the time. Ever heard of Friendly Fire? We've killed our own.

In terms of my statement that life goes on, well.....does it not? These are things beyond our control and how we react to them determines how we live our lives from that point on.

What should our reaction be in this instance? Should we burn cities down? Should we strap a bomb to our chest and walk into a mall as payback? It will be a never-ending cycle of violence and despair. More souls for God to sort out.

[nathanjizzle]

Say stuff like what? That mistakes like this happen in times of war? It happens all the time. Ever heard of Friendly Fire? We've killed our own.

In terms of my statement that life goes on, well.....does it not? These are things beyond our control and how we react to them determines how we live our lives from that point on.

What should our reaction be in this instance? Should we burn cities down? Should we strap a bomb to our chest and walk into a mall as payback? It will be a never-ending cycle of violence and despair. More souls for God to sort out.

youre absolutely dumb. You voted for trump, he promised to unchain the military and to fight terrorism aggressively. whats the byproduct of doing so? innocent people die at a higher rate.

[Patrick Chewing]

youre absolutely dumb. You voted for trump, he promised to unchain the military and to fight terrorism aggressively. whats the byproduct of doing so? innocent people die at a higher rate.


You're outmatched here, Little Nate. And you know why? Because you're emotional.

Trump promised us that he wasn't going to get us into any more senseless wars, and so far he has kept to that.

He also promised he'd put an end to ISIS, a group that Obama just absolutely struggled with, and guess what, he's practically put ISIS out of commission for the time being.

'Member that big ass bomb he dropped in Syria? Well, that has shut Bashar up for the time being.

So what's your problem with Trump again?? Oh, that's right, he's racist.

[Loco 50]

You're outmatched here, Little Nate. And you know why? Because you're emotional.

Trump promised us that he wasn't going to get us into any more senseless wars, and so far he has kept to that.

He also promised he'd put an end to ISIS, a group that Obama just absolutely struggled with, and guess what, he's practically put ISIS out of commission for the time being.

'Member that big ass bomb he dropped in Syria? Well, that has shut Bashar up for the time being.

So what's your problem with Trump again?? Oh, that's right, he's racist.
:oldlol: learning to tread carefully, eh?

[Bosnian Sajo]

:oldlol: learning to tread carefully, eh?


:oldlol:


Post more often, Loco. We need more sanity in the OTC.

[Loco 50]

:oldlol:


Post more often, Loco. We need more sanity in the OTC.
Lotta trolls and mental illness in these here parts.:oldlol: Not good for the soul to spend too much time here.

[Patrick Chewing]

:oldlol: learning to tread carefully, eh?


Tread carefully or speak honestly? Presidents get us in to wars. Some popular and some not so popular.

[Patrick Chewing]

:oldlol:


Post more often, Loco. We need more sanity in the OTC.


LOL why do you get so mad and emotional cause not everyone thinks like you??


You honestly thought everyone was gonna "+1" your ass in this thread??

[Bosnian Sajo]

LOL why do you get so mad and emotional cause not everyone thinks like you??


You honestly thought everyone was gonna "+1" your ass in this thread??


Seems like you're getting pretty emotional right now, I was just encouraging a smart young lad to post more often.


And most people did +1 me...it's just you, Rufus, Stalk, and iamgine that have a different mind set.

[rufuspaul]

Seems like you're getting pretty emotional right now, I was just encouraging a smart young lad to post more often.


And most people did +1 me...it's just you, Rufus, Stalk, and iamgine that have a different mind set.


:roll:

Rent=Free

[tomtucker]

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-attack-drones/u-s-drone-strike-kills-30-pine-nut-farm-workers-in-afghanistan-idUSKBN1W40NW?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&utm_source=reddit.com

Just the USA killing more civilians and non combatants in the name of freedom and "intent" to kill Islamic State forces. Mind you, there are ONLY 2,000 of those ****ers in Afghanistan...how can you assume a group of people sitting around a lit bonfire are with IS and not just regular people trying to make a dollar?? This will inevitably get completely swept under the rug yet again and no one will bat an eye. It's ONLY TERRORISM when it happens to a non-Muslim country. But you can kill all the civilians you want in places like Afghanistan and get away with it.


Disgusting.
maybe these combatants should wear uniforms and not civilian clothing....... that might help keep civilian losses down

and stop hiding among women and children as well

[Bosnian Sajo]

:roll:

Rent=Free


I hope you enjoy the refreshments in the fridge, all non alcoholic!

[rufuspaul]

The most important question about this whole affair still hasn't been answered. How do you fit 200 people into 5 tents?

[Bosnian Sajo]

The most important question about this whole affair still hasn't been answered. How do you fit 200 people into 5 tents?


Have you never heard of an industrial tent? :oldlol:


Not the type you go out camping with. Google it, doc.

[tomtucker]

Is this the message you'd send to the families of these people who have to live the rest of their lives knowing their father/uncle/son/daughter were killed due to "bad intel"?


"Our bad, but mistakes happen. You guys will be ok. Remember, we are here for your benefit! Remember that and don't hate us!".



At what point does America become the terrorist and the "terrorist groups" become people defending themselves?
yes, besides the fact that there at least 10 other countries in that dump trying to get rid of the taliban....... but of course you think those taliban guys are better.

the girl who got shot in the head for going to school might disagree with you.
but who cares about girls and women, right?

[stalkerforlife]

That's very decent of you. I know in my soul that everything will be alright, that there's a purpose to life that we just can't grasp and that includes all of the tragedies.


That's why I'm big on decency and don't care at all about being "good" or being a good person because that's in the eye of the beholder and in today's world that term is politicized nonsense. Look at the clown trudeau and what he's going through and it's just more proof you can't please everyone.


Instead to me it's all about decency - cleaning up after ourselves and not shitting and pissing on everything while we're here. Life is good we just have to consciously choose to make it better and better.

I might not knock you out, bro.

Just a couple love taps to soften you up and then a rear naked chokehold with little pressure to ensure you can tap safely.

[rufuspaul]

Have you never heard of an industrial tent? :oldlol:


Not the type you go out camping with. Google it, doc.


I figured they'd be big. I just have this image in my head of all these brown people stacked on top of each other. :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

yes, besides the fact that there at least 10 other countries in that dump trying to get rid of the taliban....... but of course you think those taliban guys are better.

the girl who got shot in the head for going to school might disagree with you.
but who cares about girls and women, right?



I don't think they are better, it's just becoming more clear why these people hate our country.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I figured they'd be big. I just have this image in my head of all these brown people stacked on top of each other. :oldlol:


Of course you'd find that funny, I assume you laugh hysterically thinking about the detention centers where they are housing Mexican children here in the USA as well? More "brown people stacked on top of each other" only this time instead of a tent, it's in a cage.





Soo funny. hardy har har.

[tomtucker]

Oh okay so Christians and Americans are the problem. Got it.
muslims are simply to dumb to argue with..... low IQ, they have to have it in order to believe their bullshit quran. simply brainwashed, and for them it is easy ... to be just that.

they put their religion above the law, that is why they are incompatible with western countries

[Bosnian Sajo]

muslims are simply to dumb to argue with..... low IQ, they have to have it in order to believe their bullshit quran. simply brainwashed, and for them it is easy ... to be just that.

they put their religion above the law, that is why they are incompatible with western countries


Yet here I am....in the west...stacking bread and adding cheddar everyday. So difficult with such low IQ's.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't think they are better, it's just becoming more clear why these people hate our country.


Because they're stupid, inbred, and lack the mental and testicular fortitude to take control of their country and overrun these terrorist regimes that pollute their minds by saying that the West is the big bad wolf.

If that was indeed the case, the hordes of foreigners would cease from coming here. But that isn't the case.

I mean, are you seriously putting the IQ of the typical Afghan on the table here?

[red1]

I might not knock you out, bro.

Just a couple love taps to soften you up and then a rear naked chokehold with little pressure to ensure you can tap safely.
Thanks man. No worries dude I'd go easy on you too just slap you around a couple of times before I submit you a la khabib.

[RRR3]

Tomtucker’s IQ is in the 70s at best.

[qrich]

Despicable.

[tomtucker]

Yet here I am....in the west...stacking bread and adding cheddar everyday. So difficult with such low IQ's.
yeah, but you shouldn't even be there..... you should live in a muslim country, like super rich saudi arabia. but they won't let anyone in, they don't like leeches and moochers. europe can have that shit they say........

[stalkerforlife]

Thanks man. No worries dude I'd go easy on you too just slap you around a couple of times before I submit you a la khabib.

:roll: :cheers:

[tomtucker]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Tomtucker

[Bosnian Sajo]

Because they're stupid, inbred, and lack the mental and testicular fortitude


Patty Chew, ladies and gents. Dumb as it gets, yet he's questioning others intellect. :applause:

[Bosnian Sajo]

yeah, but you shouldn't even be there..... you should live in a muslim country, like super rich saudi arabia. but they won't let anyone in, they don't like leeches and moochers. europe can have that shit they say........


I find the Saudis to be a despicable bunch. They are right there with America when it comes to terrorizing the middle east, look no further than Yemen.


"leeches and moochers" says the unemployed Tommy T.

[rufuspaul]

Of course you'd find that funny, I assume you laugh hysterically thinking about the detention centers where they are housing Mexican children here in the USA as well? More "brown people stacked on top of each other" only this time instead of a tent, it's in a cage.





Soo funny. hardy har har.


Triggered. And you said this thread wasn't political. :oldlol:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Triggered. And you said this thread wasn't political. :oldlol:


Something is off about this Rufus, anybody else see it? Since when does he use regular ish terms such as "triggered" and "rent-free"?



Anyways, it's incredibly cute how you're trying to act like you were not the one to bring up politics....over and over again. Mexican children in cages isn't political, it's torture.

[red1]

:roll: :cheers:
:oldlol:

I'm undefeated in walmart parking lots haven't lost a scrap in my adult life that's why I gravitate towards guys like mayweather and khabib- we're undefeated only difference is their canvas is a boxing ring or ufc octagon. I perform my art in parking lots and I do it for free other than that we're identical. :eek:

[RRR3]

Patty Chew, ladies and gents. Dumb as it gets, yet he's questioning others intellect. :applause:
Most trump supporters are pretty dumb. The smart ones are just pure evil.

[Patrick Chewing]

Patty Chew, ladies and gents. Dumb as it gets, yet he's questioning others intellect. :applause:


You are indeed putting the IQ of the typical Afghan sheep herder on the table here. Wow.

So you've tickled my curiosity a bit now. Are there many renowned scholars that have come out of Afghanistan? How about Nobel Peace Prize winners? Who's the leading scientist in Afghanistan? Just curious of course since you clearly think the Afghans are on par with the rest of the civilized world. I mean, the Afghans did indeed elect the Taliban to represent them as their government.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You are indeed putting the IQ of the typical Afghan sheep herder on the table here. Wow.

So you've tickled my curiosity a bit now. Are there many renowned scholars that have come out of Afghanistan? How about Nobel Peace Prize winners? Who's the leading scientist in Afghanistan? Just curious of course since you clearly think the Afghans are on par with the rest of the civilized world.


Got about 4 minutes until I start my hour commute so you'll have to wait until tomorrow.

[RRR3]

Being a sheep herder doesn’t make you dumb. You can be a genius and be a sheep herder. Too bad you’re too dumb to realize that, patty

[stalkerforlife]

:oldlol:

I'm undefeated in walmart parking lots haven't lost a scrap in my adult life that's why I gravitate towards guys like mayweather and khabib- we're undefeated only difference is their canvas is a boxing ring or ufc octagon. I perform my art in parking lots and I do it for free other than that we're identical. :eek:

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Got about 4 minutes until I start my hour commute so you'll have to wait until tomorrow.


I'll save you the trouble. You won't find any.

[Norcaliblunt]

Damn I thought Trump knew 911 was an inside job.

[iamgine]

no. but when you "uncuff" the military, civilian casualty goes up. Dont you remember retard trump saying this and you morons cheering him? theres a reason why obama was diligent with airstrikes, hes also diligent with other aspects of society implementing proper regulation, the same regulations trump dismantled with gross negligence and its going to have negative consequences. so go ahead and take the L, trumptards are responsible for these excessive and unnecessary civilian casualties, and dont mark it up to "oh its just the consequences of war, mistakes happen", no, these arent just mistakes, they are a direct result in the high number of airstrikes allowed by trumps "unchained" military. its directly your faults for voting and supporting a moron.





trumptards have the blood of innocent people on their hands. "oh its whatever, life goes on"
Well of course with more frequent airstrikes there will be more innocents killed. It's just an indirect cost nobody wanted. Not only that, there's also more monetary costs, risk of worsening international image, etc. The question is, do we accomplish more or not while paying these costs? If not, then a strategy change might be required. But it doesn't change the fact that fighting any war bear the risk of killing innocents. Risk that we already know and are willing to pay.

[MaxFly]

Something is off about this Rufus, anybody else see it? Since when does he use regular ish terms such as "triggered" and "rent-free"?


It's certainly a new tact the poster has taken of late... almost as if he's trying too hard to fall in with the dumb kids. :rolleyes:

[tomtucker]

muslims in america are not the biggest leeches and moochers, but muslims are in canada and europe, because of the welfare and benefit system they have there, paid for with very high taxes.... by the citizens of europe!

that is why so many of them want to go to europe and not the united states, they know they will have to work in the US.
also, they can't pull their shit in the US, since everyone have guns, and won't put up with their bullshit and provocative ways and manners.

[Mr Feeny]

Mistakes happen. Sometimes bad intel is given. This isn't the first time something like this has happened, and it won't be the last.

Life goes on.

And this right here tells you exactly what Christianity is about.

[Nanners]

muslims in america are not the biggest leeches and moochers, but muslims are in canada and europe, because of the welfare and benefit system they have there, paid for with very high taxes.... by the citizens of europe!

that is why so many of them want to go to europe and not the united states, they know they will have to work in the US.
also, they can't pull their shit in the US, since everyone have guns, and won't put up with their bullshit and provocative ways and manners.

The real reason people (not just muslims) are fleeing the middle east is because their home countries have been turned into terrorist infested failed states thanks to the "war on terror".

If you have ever looked at a map, it should be blatantly obvious why Europe is getting all of these refugees/migrants rather than the US. Most of these people would be delighted to come to the US, and if Iraq was in Central America rather than the Middle East those people would be coming here. Do people fleeing violence in El Salvador and Nicaragua go to Europe or the USA?

Anyway, thats funny that you think that "everyone having guns" is going to deter people who are fleeing failed states with daily drone bombings and terrorist groups like ISIS

Also funny that anyone thinks that the US "wont put up with their bullshit and provocative ways and manners" (of muslims). Have you been paying any attention whatsoever during the past decade? The SJWs in this country (who gain more and more influence by the day) would LOVE to put up with the bullshit and provocative ways of hardcore muslims, and they would love to lecture people like you about why you need to put up with it too.

[sammichoffate]

Drone strikes are a lot cheaper than putting boots on the ground, but I'm with you. We're going to need the money to feed all these hungry mouths that keep crossing the border on a daily basis.It's not a matter of cost, it's whether or not we need to keep the spending on these programs up when there's no real return. We already spy on our own citizens and just about everyone in the country tbh. I never brought that up, stop projecting me as some bleeding heart libtard when I don't want any more illegals coming in.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Even if Afghan lives are insignificant to you....
Military men should want to minimize collateral damage for their own consciences' welfare.

[FKAri]

Al-Qaeda did the same thing. They thought the WTC were missile silos. Honest mistake. Just gotta move on.

[MaxFly]

Even if Afghan lives are insignificant to you....
Military men should want to minimize collateral damage for their own consciences' welfare.

I think, as displayed in this thread, people go out of their way to provide justifications for these sorts of incidents. You'd think that they would conduct a real assessment of the toll of these sorts of attacks, and it would take a toll on their conscience. I'm sure some are bothered, but I'm also sure that many quickly move on because it doesn't touch their personal lives and there is little . accountability

[Patrick Chewing]

I think, as displayed in this thread, people go out of their way to provide justifications for these sorts of incidents. You'd think that they would conduct a real assessment of the toll of these sorts of attacks, and it would take a toll on their conscience. I'm sure some are bothered, but I'm also sure that many quickly move on because it doesn't touch their personal lives and there is little . accountability


You act as if these types of mistakes are not commonplace when they actually are. I

[AlternativeAcc.]

Precisely why I'm not a pine nut farmer.

[FKAri]

I think, as displayed in this thread, people go out of their way to provide justifications for these sorts of incidents. You'd think that they would conduct a real assessment of the toll of these sorts of attacks, and it would take a toll on their conscience. I'm sure some are bothered, but I'm also sure that many quickly move on because it doesn't touch their personal lives and there is little . accountability
Even if one does not have a conscience and doesn't care about the lives lost or damage done in foreign lands, if one cares about America it's still objectionable. There's already so much propaganda in those regions about how America is the cause of all their problems and stuff like this just adds fuel to that fire.

[MaxFly]

Even if one does not have a conscience and doesn't care about the lives lost or damage done in foreign lands, if one cares about America it's still objectionable. There's already so much propaganda in those regions about how America is the cause of all their problems and stuff like this just adds fuel to that fire.

I absolutely agree... it is extremely objectionable. Unfortunately, some seem to share the sentiments of individuals like this:

[QUOTE]You act as if these types of mistakes are not commonplace when they actually are. I

[egokiller]

So what’s the premise of this thread? That Obama or Trump or any commander in chief that this has happened under is a shitty commander in chief? Tell us something we don’t know.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]You act as if these types of mistakes are not commonplace when they actually are. I

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=egokiller]So what

[egokiller]

This has little to do with Trump or Obama as our drone program generally operates independently of their involvement. The crux of the thread seems to be that we are making grave mistakes, taking innocent lives in foreign countries, and are quick to dismiss the tragedy of it all. We need more accountability. Let's start with who authorized the strike and how the mistake was made.

We can start wherever we want, but let’s not try and kid ourselves. We know that it will only get worse before it gets better.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=egokiller]We can start wherever we want, but let

[Patrick Chewing]

That's precisely the problem; these mistakes are commonplace, and there is little oversight and accountability. There was little under Bush and Obama, and there is little now. Our American armed forces are consistently taking innocent lives in foreign countries due to mistakes and people dismiss it as "insignificant" because they don't particularly care about those people and they evidently don't value their lives. The kicker is that you see no way of addressing this other than the strawman you set up. :rolleyes:


Let's hear your solutions to preventing these mistakes.

[Loco 50]

Let's hear your solutions to preventing these mistakes.
Dearest Patricio, 9/11 was accomplished by dudes with box cutters and access to pc flight simulators. You can't stop or prevent bad people from doing bad things and you can't live your life being afraid of everything and everybody that isn't known to you.

What we are currently doing is being proactive so that people like you feel like we are accomplishing something. The only thing that actually succeeds in doing is pissing off a whole crop of new people by encroaching on the lives and land of folks that otherwise probably wouldn't give two shits about our existence....

That is until we bomb the shit outta their kinfolk because there might have been terrorists in the area.

For some odd reason that riles a bunch of people up.

[LAmbruh]

Dearest Patricio.
:lol :lol

[Dro]

I think, as displayed in this thread, people go out of their way to provide justifications for these sorts of incidents. You'd think that they would conduct a real assessment of the toll of these sorts of attacks, and it would take a toll on their conscience. I'm sure some are bothered, but I'm also sure that many quickly move on because it doesn't touch their personal lives and there is little . accountability
I agree with this. And Chewing is a ****ing dumb ****. Why do you dudes even go back and forth with him? Just serious, ask yourself. Unless it somehow entertains, why even expend the mental energy to respond to him.

Anyway, this is human nature. People care but they only care in the moment that they hear the news. After a few minutes, they go back to their own lives and don't even think about this shit. Hell, it happens over HERE. Mass shootings every ****ing month, people outraged, shit don't happen.

People don't care unless something happens to someone close to them. If you had someone close to you die in 911, or by some punk ass who got fired and decided to go on a shooting rampage? Folks deal with shit EVERY DAY.
Can't pay all their bills, can't get out of debt, don't enjoy their job, lights get cut off, folks on food stamps and on and on. These folks don't go on shooting rampages.

I just think humans are ****ing spoiled and unappreciative of life in general. Humans, animals, whatever, folks just don't really give a ****. Imagine if you knew in advance today was your last day on Earth. What would you do? What if you knew you had a week? How would talk to people, how would you treat people? Hell, you might listen to your worst enemy, whatever they had to say and you'd be happy to hear it because it would be the last words you would ever here. I think people would just care more about shit and actually do what you can to change the situation, especially if you have the means.

I feel like you're we're put here two reasons. To enjoy life and to help others when you can.

People just don't really care that much. I think care more about being "right" about some shit than the shit they're actually debating about.