Will Anthony Davis suffer the same fate as Bosh and Love?

[Doranku]

25 year old Bosh w/o LeBron: 24/11/2 on 52%
26 year old Bosh w/ LeBron: 19/8/2 on 50%

25 year old Love w/o LeBron: 26/13/4 on 46%
26 year old Love w/ LeBron: 16/10/2 on 43%

25 year old AD w/o LeBron: 26/12/4 on 52%
26 year old AD w/ LeBron: ?

An interesting thing to note is how Bosh & Love's production AND efficiency were simultaneously stymied by Bron ball.

Will AD become the first big man to thrive alongside LeBron?

Fun fact: All three regular seasons from Love, Bosh, and AD prior to joining LeBron were better than any season of Pau Gasol's career.

[AirTupac]

Probably. They dont call it Bron ball for nothing.

[sdot_thadon]

25 year old Bosh w/o LeBron: 24/11/2 on 52%
26 year old Bosh w/ LeBron: 19/8/2 on 50%

25 year old Love w/o LeBron: 26/13/4 on 46%
26 year old Love w/ LeBron: 16/10/2 on 43%

25 year old AD w/o LeBron: 26/12/4 on 52%
26 year old AD w/ LeBron: ?

An interesting thing to note is how Bosh & Love's production AND efficiency were simultaneously stymied by Bron ball.

Will AD become the first big man to thrive alongside LeBron?

Fun fact: All three regular seasons from Love, Bosh, and AD prior to joining LeBron were better than any season of Pau Gasol's career.
Holy shit! You might be on to something, it's almost like they went from 1st option on offense to 3rd......bron ball for the L?:rolleyes:

[Kblaze8855]

Ask them if they would rather average 25 and win 36 games or 18 and have the rings they both do.

We all know the answer.

Only losers sit with their grand kids talking numbers they averaged on teams that went nowhere.

Its nice to be Shareef Abdur-Rahim...or Kelly Tripuka....Truck Robinson.

But only the most serious fans remember your name. Trade 4-8 points for rings when you get paid the same either way.

Bosh and Love were paid max money after they won rings with Lebron. What the hell are they worried about? Hundreds of millions of dollars and 8 finals trips with 3 rings between them and a much higher profile than they had on losing teams before that.

From where do they summon the will to go on in life.....

You dont go play with the guy likely to end up a top 3 all time scorer in his prime....with an additional superstar guard in both cases....and expect the same numbers. You expect worse numbers and more winning....aka....what happened.

[AirTupac]

Shut up kblaze :no:

[LAmbruh]

Ask them if they would rather average 25 and win 36 games or 18 and have the rings they both do.

We all know the answer.

Only losers sit with their grand kids talking numbers they averaged on teams that went nowhere.

Its nice to be Shareef Abdur-Rahim...or Kelly Tripuka....Truck Robinson.

But only the most serious fans remember your name. Trade 4-8 points for rings when you get paid the same either way.

Bosh and Love were paid max money after they won rings with Lebron. What the hell are they worried about? Hundreds of millions of dollars and 4 finals trips each with 3 rings between them and a much higher profile than they had on losing teams before that.

From where do they summon the will to go on in life.....

You dont go play with the guy likely to end up a top 3 all time scorer in his prime....with an additional superstar guard in both cases....and expect the same numbers. You expect worse numbers and more winning....aka....what happened.
:yaohappy:

[scuzzy]

yes he probably will, at the expense of winning a championship

[SpaceJam]

Being saved from a no where franchise and turned into a champion by LeGawd? I think he’d welcome it

[Meticode]

Also, don't forget on those "w/ LeBron" mentions that Bosh and Love were also playing with another ball dominate 25PPG scorer in Wade and Kyrie. I'm sure they had nothing to do with it either. :rolleyes:

In short, Davis will not suffer the same fat as Love or Bosh becuase he's not going to be the third wheel on this team like Love and Bosh accepted to be.

[RRR3]

Mamba meltdown.

[305Baller]

Davis will lead the team in all stats as lebron space jams haahaha

[G0ATbe]

Hope so. Both transformed from career losers to nba champs.

[305Baller]

Hope so. Both transformed from career losers to nba champs.

shut up lebron. you weirdo

[MrFonzworth]

Fun fact: Bosh and Love are NBA champions:bowdown:

[Doranku]

Can you guys explain why their efficiency went down despite going from the focal point of defenses to being third options?

Is it because Bron ball forced them to play further away from the basket than they were comfortable with, thus not being able to utilize key parts of their skillsets? Or is there an excuse for that too?

[RRR3]

Can you guys explain why their efficiency went down despite going from the focal point of defenses to being third options?

Is it because Bron ball forced them to play further away from the basket than they were comfortable with, thus not being able to utilize key parts of their skillsets? Or is there an excuse for that too?
Bosh and Love both recorded the highest TS% of their careers playing with LeBron.




Mamba meltdown.

[305Baller]

same ol retarded shit. who cares

[Kblaze8855]

Can you guys explain why their efficiency went down despite going from the focal point of defenses to being third options?

Is it because Bron ball forced them to play further away from the basket than they were comfortable with, thus not being able to utilize key parts of their skillsets? Or is there an excuse for that too?

Excuse for what?

Who is looking for excuses for the most successful periods of a guys career?

Excuses are for bad things. None of the shit you’re talking about matters in any way but the superficial. Those guys were popping champagne running around going crazy having reached the pinnacle of their sport. Dennis Johnson wasn’t all nba first team and scoring 20 a game on the Sonics or Celtics title teams but if he’d stayed in Phoenix doing that you wouldn’t even know his name. Harvey Grant got to be the Bullets leading scorer. Horace Grant got to win rings. Virtually nobody even knows Harvey Grant existed.

You’re worried about shit losers play for.

[Doranku]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Excuse for what?

Who is looking for excuses for the most successful periods of a guys career?

Excuses are for bad things. None of the shit you

[Kblaze8855]

You think you are worse at basketball when you go from first option to third?

Your years watching basketball lead you to that conclusion?

And Love is gonna remember that finals a lot more fondly than 28ppg December’s his team went 4-9 in I assure you. And the way Bosh poured that champagne on himself like a porn shoot? I suspect he enjoyed it more than 7 years winning 3 or whatever playoff games in Toronto.

And if Davis wins a ring doing 22 a game instead of 26 the same will be true for him.

Not that it’s likely.....but you’re talking about shit that doesn’t matter to anyone worth calling a competitor.

[scuzzy]

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[AirBonner]

Davis will lead the team in all stats as lebron space jams haahaha
Found Kawhitmate

[MrFonzworth]

Can you guys explain why their efficiency went down despite going from the focal point of defenses to being third options?

Is it because Bron ball forced them to play further away from the basket than they were comfortable with, thus not being able to utilize key parts of their skillsets? Or is there an excuse for that too?
Can you explain why they're champions?

[Doranku]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You think you are worse at basketball when you go from first option to third?

Your years watching basketball lead you to that conclusion?

And Love is gonna remember that finals a lot more fondly than 28ppg December

[Smoke117]

Is OP even a Lakers fan or just a Kobe stan? I can't even remember anymore.

[tpols]

Ask them if they would rather average 25 and win 36 games or 18 and have the rings they both do.

We all know the answer.

Only losers sit with their grand kids talking numbers they averaged on teams that went nowhere.

Its nice to be Shareef Abdur-Rahim...or Kelly Tripuka....Truck Robinson.

But only the most serious fans remember your name. Trade 4-8 points for rings when you get paid the same either way.

Bosh and Love were paid max money after they won rings with Lebron. What the hell are they worried about? Hundreds of millions of dollars and 8 finals trips with 3 rings between them and a much higher profile than they had on losing teams before that.

From where do they summon the will to go on in life.....

You dont go play with the guy likely to end up a top 3 all time scorer in his prime....with an additional superstar guard in both cases....and expect the same numbers. You expect worse numbers and more winning....aka....what happened.


Dumb point.

Love has been nothing but shit on after winning rings. He was universally regarded as far superior when he was in minny playing his game.

Bosh ditto Toronto

[LAmbruh]

LeSuffering Fate



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[tpols]

Kblaze can't admit their roles were totally decimated.

Forget stats...they couldn't play their games. Two of the highest ppp post and midrange face up talents in the game reduced to spot up 3pt shooting.

smh...

[Smoke117]

Kblaze can't admit their roles were totally decimated.

Forget stats...they couldn't play their games. Two of the highest ppp post and midrange face up talents in the game reduced to spot up 3pt shooting.

smh...

I'm sure Kevin Love will take being a 3rd star who won a championship coming back from a 1-3 deficit vs an all time 73 win team over not being remembered whatsoever as he lead the Timberwolves over and over and over and over and over again to the lottery. Also, why is so hard for you clowns to understand that roles change when you go from being the 1st option to a 3rd option. Take your head out of Bran's ass and have some common sense. All your dumb shit goes out the window anyway when Kyrie and a healthy Wade were still doing their thing when playing with LeBron. Love and Bosh of course had to naturally take a backseat role playing with these 3 players. It also shouldn't be surprising they were expected to stretch the floor playing with with them either when all three were using a lot of dribble penetration.

[stalkerforlife]

Dumb point.

Love has been nothing but shit on after winning rings. He was universally regarded as far superior when he was in minny playing his game.

Bosh ditto Toronto

Boom.

[bigkingsfan]

Dwight went from 23 to 17 ppg with the Lakers, and that was the 2nd option.

[AirTupac]

Dwight went from 23 to 17 ppg with the Lakers, and that was the 2nd option.


Do you think it had anything to do with major back surgery and coming back 7 months earlier than he should have? Please let ISH know!

[LAmbruh]

Dwight went from 23 to 17 ppg with the Lakers, and that was the 2nd option.
Odom went from 17/10/4 on Heat, to 10/8/2 on Lakers

[bigkingsfan]

Do you think it had anything to do with major back surgery and coming back 7 months earlier than he should have? Please let ISH know!
No

[AirTupac]

No


And there it was. Disgusting. It looked like an elongated piece of chicken fat, a yellowish-white mass, laid out next to a ruler and measuring approximately 5 1/2 inches.

“Yeah, that was the part on my nerve they had to pull out,” Howard said.

Howard’s teammate was right -- the piece that came off the disk in his back was revolting.


Oh and Dwight had a torn labrum.


You lose retard boy :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smoke117]

And there it was. Disgusting. It looked like an elongated piece of chicken fat, a yellowish-white mass, laid out next to a ruler and measuring approximately 5 1/2 inches.

“Yeah, that was the part on my nerve they had to pull out,” Howard said.

Howard’s teammate was right -- the piece that came off the disk in his back was revolting.


Oh and Dwight had a torn labrum.


You lose retard boy :roll: :roll: :roll:

The irony of this post. All you have ever talked is shit about Howard during his time on the Lakers in 2013 until the moment he re-signed with the team this off season. Now you are here going on about shit that every one who wasn't sucking kobe's dick said? You were one of the biggest attackers of Dwight before now.

[bigkingsfan]

[QUOTE=AirTupac]And there it was. Disgusting. It looked like an elongated piece of chicken fat, a yellowish-white mass, laid out next to a ruler and measuring approximately 5 1/2 inches.

[tanibanana]

I am confident Davis would love to end up winning a Championship. :applause:

[elementally morale]

No. Davis won't be marginalized the same way Bosh and Love were for several reasons.


He is better than both.
LeBron is older and not the same player he was.
The league has cahnged. You won' win with LeBron ball now, even with best LeBron.

So no.

[No Sir]

Life before Lebron : lotto picks and missing the playoffs every year

Life with Lebron: finals every year and championships

Life after Lebron: lotto picks and missing the playoffs every year

So with that being said, ya he probably will "suffer" the same fate

[ralph_i_el]

Nah, I don't think he'll win a ring.

[Shogon]

Uh, did Kevin Love even make the playoffs without LeBron?

Did Bosh even win a playoff series... in the "historically weak East"?

:roll:

[ralph_i_el]

I'd much rather have a young Pau than a young Bosh or Love.

[NuggetsFan]

I can't tell if some people in here are actually being serious. Bosh played with Wade/LeBron. Of course his stats dropped? He went from being the focal point to the 3rd option. A distant one at that so not even a normal 3rd option. The T-Wolves were lottery teams. Your stats are most likely to get inflated on lotto teams rather than playoff teams/contenders.

Everyone who watched basketball back than knew Love's stats were inflated. I don't even remember it being much of a debate. Nobody who watched Kevin Love thought he was a legitimate 26/13 player. The league wasn't an offensively explosive when Bosh was with Miami either. The league was averaging 96-101 points.

I don't get why you'd think anybody's stats would get better going from being a 1st option to a 3rd option. That makes no sense.

[Kblaze8855]

No, my years of watching Bosh in Miami and Love in Cleveland led me to that conclusion.

Go watch a random game from Bosh 2010 or KLove 2014 and then watch one from their LeBron days and tell me that one version isn't better than the other.


If you cant tell the difference between ineffective unchecked production of no consequence and playing in a winning situation with worse numbers you shouldnt be talking ball to begin with. A good player on a shit team is gonna be free to go to his spots and do as he pleases all game.....and lose. A good player playing with other good players will no be able to do as he pleases as often....and may produce worse numbers while winning. He wont be the guy plays are run for to get the ball where he wants it. He wont take 8 shots in the 4th to bring his team back or die trying. He wont usually play the same minutes either because his team doesnt need him on the floor to play well.

Jordan, Pippen, and Kukoc dont make Ron Harper worse at basketball because he was leading the Clippers and became a role player with them. Ron put up 30/9/8 in his last full game on the clippers. Never had a game like that again. It isnt Pippen and Jordans fault. Earl Monroe was all nba first team on the Bullets and led them to the finals.....then hes on the Knicks as a role player doing 11ppg.

Not worse at basketball.

Playing different basketball.

And winning rings.

Tony Campbell was a 6ppg player on Showtime.....goes to Minnesota...puts up 23ppg. Did he learn to play basketball in 2 months? No....thats the difference between being on a champion and being the man on a team that doesnt matter. Mark Aguirre being a 25ppg player on the Mavs at 28 but a 15ppg player on the Pistons at 29 doesnt mean he forgot how to score. Neither did Adrian Dantley when he went from 30ppg 56% shooting all star to 20 a game never making the ASG again on the pistons. Nick Anderson was a 20ppg guy....but guess what? He doesnt get to be that playing with Shaq and Penny.

Antawn Jamison 25 and 22 a game on the warriors including back to back 50 point games. He doesnt do that playing for a real team in Dallas does he? You dont give the Lakers 51 when Dirk is on your team...because Dirk is the man and not you. You put up 14ppg...and you get into the playoffs for once.

Rashard Lewis is the man in Seattle...22ppg. Guess what? Hes not the man in Orlando. Dwight is the man. So he scores less and shoots worse from the field because a higher percentage of his shots are spotting up playing off the superior player. His primary value playing off a great interior player? Spacing the floor. Of course he shoots worse overall.....and has a better team for it.

Glen Rice doesnt get to have the offense run through him on the Lakers....so hes not scoring 22-27ppg anymore. Hes playing less minutes and in a 3rd guy role...Shaq and Kobe didnt "turn" him into anything. He adjusted to superior players who got to eat first. He stands back and spaces the floor like hes supposed to. And he wins a ring.

You dont go from being the man playing 39 minutes a game on a team that doesnt matter to being not just the other guy....but the OTHER other guy on a title team playing less minutes and not being the focal point and have the same production or do the same things.

How on earth is anyone still needed to be told these things in 2019?

If you dont want to give up getting the ball in your spots all the time and scoring 25ppg you stay on your shit team and be Devin Booker for 10 years....or you can:





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Kevin Love look like hed rather have the ending to his 2014 when he had 40, 43, and 19 the last 3....and lost all of them playing with Corey Brewer and Dieng?

These are grown ass men making business and personal decisions to win games at the expense of being a franchise player.

They bought their rings with a big down payment of irrelevant stats and a few installments of respect from fans who dont know anything about basketball.

Love is now in his late prime at 30 and a franchise player again on a max contract...already having had success plenty of legends dream of. Bosh has his medical issue but instead of playing his last 5 years getting steamrolled in Toronto he got to do the steam rolling and retire with the 120 million he got after getting ringed up.

Let us all "suffer" the same fate please.

I promise you....Anthony Davis WANTS to "suffer" that fate. He just spent 5 years putting up prime Hakeem numbers and demanded to leave at the cost of being the most hated man in his former city and leaving a supermax offer on the table AND giving back his 4 million dollar trade kicker trying to get his new team more talent.

That strike you as a guy likely to be upset if his numbers fall off while he wins?

Guy says keep your 250 million, **** these fans, **** this 28ppg....I demand to play with Lebron...and will give our team even more money to sign other good players....

And you think hes cares about his numbers and what you think of him more than winning?

This may be the most overt "I dont care about numbers while im losing" situation in the history of the NBA.

He just wants that game 7 lockerroom celebration. He probably watched Love and felt salty as hell. Hes out there dropping 40 and losing to the Hawks with Luke ****ing Babbit as his sidekick while love gets to score 12 points and make a great defensive stand vs Steph to win a ring because Lebron and Kyrie did the heavy lifting? And they both get paid the same? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

That Love/Bosh role was probably looking real flavorful to a lot of people at that moment. And Davis unlike them is way younger than Lebron. The Lakers are his team either now or very soon.

Hes fine. Better than fine.

Hes in about as good a position as any young star likely can be. Good team....good money...good city....great franchise. This dude is in Space jam 2.

I think he can afford to give up 3 ISOs a night and still sleep well.....

[Shogon]

I think he can afford to give up 3 ISOs a night and still sleep well.....

:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

For real though....

Hes put up 24-29ppg for 5 years in a row. Hes the man. Period. His team wins the lottery for the most hyped prospect in over a decade. Hes got an offer that would pay him 266 million dollars over the next 6 years(5 year supermax plus final year of current deal). Every club in New Orleans is offering a lifetime of free food and back room threesomes with the strippers. Hes got Gumbo and judging head contests till the day he expires on top of a quarter billion, unchecked access to the ball with whatever stats come with it, and Zion Williamson coming to town.

He told them to eat a dick.....and chose to sign with Lebrons childhood friend as his agent and get traded to play with Lebron.

And the concern....is he might lose status and production in exchange for a chance to play with Lebron and win?

What if I may ask....the ****....do you think he just showed as far as his priorities?

If Anthony Davis isnt the "I dont care about personal sacrifice...I wanna win" posterboy I dont know who is.

[Hey Yo]

OP takin' repeated kicks to the cawk in this thread :roll:



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[Indian guy]

This is such a lazy post by OP :facepalm

No sh!t Bosh and Love's production went down when they went from 1st option on lottery teams to 3rd option on a contender. And both of 'em had their most efficient seasons from the field playing with LeBron. Look it up. OP conveniently stopped with their first seasons, which generally tend to be the worst because it's such a big adjustment. But Love's far and away best TS% was in 2018. Bosh's was in 2014.

[Young X]

Fans don't know what they want. When Bosh and Love were putting up all those numbers they were shitted on for missing the playoffs/losing in the first round.

Kevin Love was the posterboy for empty stats.

Now when they actually win the championships the focus is on their numbers declining. Those same empty numbers that didn't lead to winning.

[Kblaze8855]

Heres what Kevin Love thought about being the productive man on a shit team:



LAS VEGAS – Team USA's roster is filled with 12 NBA players who have won seven total championships and appeared in a combined 700 playoff games. Only one of those dozen players has never played in a single postseason game.

Minnesota Timberwolves All-Star forward Kevin Love.

And he's not happy about it.

Kevin Love is the only Team USA player without a single postseason appearance. In an interview with Yahoo! Sports, Love urged Minnesota's management to acquire the necessary talent to make the franchise a contender. If the Timberwolves don't start winning this season, Love isn't sure how long he'll want to be a part of Minnesota's future.

"My patience is not high," Love said. "Would yours be, especially when I'm a big proponent of greatness surrounding itself with greatness? All these [Team USA] guys seem to have great players around them.

"It's tough seeing all these guys that are young and older who have all played in the playoffs. When they start talking about that, I have nothing to talk about. If I don’t make the playoffs next year I don’t know what will happen."

The Timberwolves haven't made the playoffs since 2004, a string of eight seasons. Love was hopeful the T'wolves would end the streak last season, but they lost rookie point guard Ricky Rubio to a season-ending knee injury on March 9 and never really recovered. Love admitted he was disappointed Minnesota's front office failed to get an adequate replacement for Rubio. With Rubio sidelined, the T'wolves finished the season with the Western Conference's fourth-worst record (26-40).

Love will begin his four-year, $62 million contract extension this season, but the deal allows him to opt out after three years. He sought a maximum five-year extension in negotiations before last season, but T'wolves officials balked. Another losing season could change his desire to stay with the franchise long-term.

"At this point, I’m not afraid to go on the record," Love said. "Being around these [USA] guys, they know the situation I’m in and how competitive I am. I want to win. All the players on the Timberwolves feel the same way, as well. The coaching staff is awesome. They want to win and win now. Hopefully, we can make some stuff happen.

"I would say it's coming down to it for sure [next season]. It's no secret I was willing to commit to Minnesota for five years. I'm very happy with my contract. I'd love to be in Minnesota. But like anybody else, I want to win."

Love and Deron Williams are the only players on Team USA whose NBA teams didn't make the playoffs last season. Williams, however, has agreed to re-sign with the Brooklyn Nets after the Nets struck a deal to acquire All-Star guard Joe Johnson from the Atlanta Hawks. The Nets also are continuing to try to trade for Dwight Howard.

Love averaged 26 points and 13.4 rebounds for the Timberwolves last season. The Timberwolves have already made some moves this offseason to try to upgrade their roster, reaching agreement on a two-year contract with former Portland Trail Blazers guard Brandon Roy, who is trying to return to the NBA after chronic knee injuries forced him to sit out last season. They also acquired forward Chase Budinger from the Houston Rockets and came to an agreement with restricted free-agent forward Nicolas Batum on a four-year, $45 million offer sheet that the Trail Blazers have vowed to match. Forward Michael Beasley left the T'wolves to sign with the Phoenix Suns and Minnesota has shopped forward Derrick Williams, the No. 2 overall pick in the 2011 NBA draft.

"If we don’t make the playoffs, I don’t know it’s going to be me or something, but our management needs to step up and make some moves," Love said. "Chase is good for us. Brandon if he can come in relatively healthy and be back to somewhat of where he was … we can be pretty damn good, especially in the fourth quarter with how he used to be [with the Trail Blazers] with LaMarcus [Aldridge] in the pick-and-roll. If Ricky can come back healthy that would be great.

"But I think our front office and ownership needs to step up and get us some pieces. We need to make some moves. We can't just stand still. We have to make this happen."

T'wolves general manager David Kahn said he has spoken to Love about the franchise's plans for the future.

"I'm sure Kevin has a sense of urgency," Kahn said. "I think the team demonstrated it could win last season before we were hit with a cascade of injuries. I thought we were on the right track and surely we would have competed for the eighth and final playoff spot if we remained healthy. Next season is shaping up to be better than last year.

"Under Kevin's leadership, I would expect him to compete for the playoffs. The one thing we can't control is injuries. I'm hopeful for a healthy year."

Love loves playing with Rubio and center Nikola Pekovic, and is hopeful Rubio returns healthy. Kahn said Minnesota doesn't have a firm timetable for when Rubio should be cleared to play. Still, Love said he will continue to push Minnesota's management to add more pieces to the roster because T'wolves fans "deserve a better product."

"I don't know if we will blow up the team again, if I'll be moved," Love said. "I don’t know.

"But something has to happen in Minnesota."


Those guys are miserable on the shit teams they come from. They may have a hard time adjusting....but they dont wanna be in those other situations. Thats how they end up on these superteams...

They dont WANT to score 30 and lose for a decade.

They may want more than they get touches wise but if they really had a problem taking the lesser role they would stay in the shit circumstances they come from. But they dont.

[LAmbruh]

Is anyone surprised Brick stains prefer high volume chucking over a higher win % in a team oriented sport?

[FKAri]

Yes. He too will suffer an NBA championsip under LePharaoh.

[RRR3]

Yes. He too will suffer an NBA championsip under LePharaoh.
:roll:

[Doranku]

Kblaze, for the love of God, stop typing me novels about shit that is irrelevant to the thread.

I never once mentioned what these guys WANT. I don't give a shit if they're happier getting dragged to rings while having dreadful performances throughout every playoff run. That's not what this thread is about.

Bosh and Love both become worse basketball players playing with LeBron. I don't know how anyone who actually watched basketball the past decade can say otherwise. I'm asking if the same is going to happen to Anthony Davis. That's it. I DON'T CARE WHAT WILL MAKE THEM HAPPIER.

When Pau Gasol went from being 1st option in Memphis to 2nd option in LA, his numbers literally remained identical.. except his efficiency skyrocketed. We got to see Love as a 2nd option in 2018.. not even remotely close to his 26/13 self. Bosh's numbers slowly declined each year he played with LeBron.

Bron ball is basically that basketball in Space Jam that sucks all the talent from whoever is touched by it except it only works on big men (and Larry Hughes).

[RRR3]

Love played 28 MPG in 2018 lmao. He averaged roughly 23/12 per 36 on easily the best efficiency of his career. Oops.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

OP isn't wrong.

Maybe not complete...I mean these players were allegedly "happier". But Bosh and Love were definitely worse. And before Lebron played way different.

Pau Gasol for example? Remained similar with Kobe. He wasn't really different than in Memphis save for the touches. And as shown, his numbers were the same.

[Doranku]

Love played 28 MPG in 2018 lmao. He averaged roughly 23/12 per 36 on easily the best efficiency of his career. Oops.

Wasn't that the year when he was being benched in multiple 4th quarters for his poor play?

[scuzzy]

Love played 28 MPG in 2018 lmao. He averaged roughly 23/12 per 36 on easily the best efficiency of his career. Oops.
ouch

and that was his role as a 2nd option, not a 1st like his similar productivity in Minny.


imagine that

[RRR3]

Wasn't that the year when he was being benched in multiple 4th quarters for his poor play?
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[LAmbruh]

I thought Love's numbers were suppose to explode last season after being unchained from spot up shooting

Worst season of his career, yikes

[RRR3]

Kevin Love average FGA distance in 2014: 14.3

Kevin Love average FGA distances with LeBron: 14.8, 15.2, 15.2, 14.9

Kevin Love average FGA distance last year (plague by injuries, only 22 games): 16.7



lEbrOn mAdE hIm a SpOt uP shOoTeR

[Smoke117]

OP isn't wrong.

Maybe not complete...I mean these players were allegedly "happier". But Bosh and Love were definitely worse. And before Lebron played way different.

Pau Gasol for example? Remained similar with Kobe. He wasn't really different than in Memphis save for the touches. And as shown, his numbers were the same.

So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:

[90sgoat]

So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:

No, only Lebron needs to stack the deck with two hall of famers to win.

[RRR3]

So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:
Yeah it’s funny how Pau’s numbers collapsed when he got reduced to 3rd option but they don’t talk about that.

bRaN bAlL doe (as if Kobe was some unselfish teammate :yaohappy: )

[tpols]

So there was also a Wade and Kyrie level guard playing alongside Kobe and Pau, huh? I must have just not noticed seeing him during this Lakers era. :rolleyes:


lol... if the lakers had a wade or kyrie in that late 00's run they wouldve won 4 chips instead of 2.

its about role dummy. wade or kyrie wouldnt distract from pau's low block niche.

lebron has never been able to play with a low poast guy because his game is all PnR spam & iso mismatch.

[Indian guy]

Pau Gasol for example? Remained similar with Kobe. He wasn't really different than in Memphis save for the touches. And as shown, his numbers were the same.

Pau Gasol was the 2nd option though, not playing 3rd fiddle to 2 alpha scorers. Bad comparison.

[Smoke117]

lol... if the lakers had a wade or kyrie in that late 00's run they wouldve won 4 chips instead of 2.

its about role dummy. wade or kyrie wouldnt distract from pau's low block niche.

lebron has never been able to play with a low poast guy because his game is all PnR spam & iso mismatch.

If you have LeBron and Wade or LeBron and Kyrie you don't want a post player clogging up the paint. You're not going to play through that guy in the post. That's just common sense. Learn basketball already. I'm sick and tired of trying to explain it to you. This is all beside the point that Paul Gasol was a better player in the low block anyway. He was much more of a traditional post player than Bosh and Love were.

[Kblaze8855]

Kblaze, for the love of God, stop typing me novels about shit that is irrelevant to the thread.

I never once mentioned what these guys WANT. I don't give a shit if they're happier getting dragged to rings while having dreadful performances throughout every playoff run. That's not what this thread is about.

Bosh and Love both become worse basketball players playing with LeBron. I don't know how anyone who actually watched basketball the past decade can say otherwise. I'm asking if the same is going to happen to Anthony Davis. That's it. I DON'T CARE WHAT WILL MAKE THEM HAPPIER.

When Pau Gasol went from being 1st option in Memphis to 2nd option in LA, his numbers literally remained identical.. except his efficiency skyrocketed. We got to see Love as a 2nd option in 2018.. not even remotely close to his 26/13 self. Bosh's numbers slowly declined each year he played with LeBron.

Bron ball is basically that basketball in Space Jam that sucks all the talent from whoever is touched by it except it only works on big men (and Larry Hughes).


If you’re going to make a topic suggesting that something bad happened to people who signed up to be third options to win and became third options and won you are going to hear me explain why it’s ridiculous.

This is nothing but an absolutely brutal completely thoughtless agenda topic made by somebody who isn’t even trying to think this through.

Worse numbers as a third option than a first option? Well Jesus ****ing Christ I think you’re on to something. Somebody needs to send this out for extensive review.....


That somebody who had unchecked control of his offense will begin to see his attacking skills atrophy while playing behind two first ballot Hall of Fame creators who don’t need him to attack is equally News worthy.

You need to log off and call a press conference. These observations can’t just be for us few here. Former franchise players who play with all time elite attackers no longer have to jab step four times and create their own offense while inept teammates watch and as a result they get worse at it but improve at the things they are now being asked to do like Create good spacing and be reliable on a kick out?

And these players in this new situation instead of winning about 35 games win between 50 and 66 games and play in the finals every single season and go home ringed up with hundreds of millions of dollars all of their missions having been achieved........while People on the Internet who know absolutely nothing about basketball say they suck because they sacrifice to fit into a team dynamic instead of disrupting it and losing as they have been doing their entire careers previously??

I mean....this is ground breaking shit.

Reduced role with better teammates may cost you numbers....

Winning takes sacrifice.....

Fans are ****ing stupid....

We have made real progress here today. I never realized any of those things before just now.

[Smoke117]

None of any of this discussion matters anyway. Let's say Anthony Davis leads the lakers in ppg...then idiot obsessive clowns like Doranko, 3ball, egokiller, tpols etc will just find some way to spin that into something negative about LeBron. It's just a never ending shit storm of fukkery with these losers.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Regardless of who went first, second or third....

Love and Bosh were underutilized. Even as third options. I think everyone can agree there.

The dropoff Love had was inconceivable.

[LAmbruh]

Still can't believe Kyrie couldn't get out the second round after being traded to a #1 seed team


In the same historically weak East where anybody can make 8 Finals in a row

[Indian guy]

Love and Bosh were underutilized. Even as third options.

Scoring in the high teens on good efficiency is pretty much the best you can expect from a #3 option. Which is what Bosh and Love were doing.

[RRR3]

Scoring in the high teens on good efficiency is pretty much the best you can expect from a #3 option. Which is what Bosh and Love were doing.
You have to factor in Love’s playing time got cut too. He averaged roughly 22/13 per 36 as a third option in 2017.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Scoring in the high teens on good efficiency is pretty much the best you can expect from a #3 option. Which is what Bosh and Love were doing.

Love was a 14-15ppg scorer in the playoffs. And shooting like 40% from the field. ~39% his last playoff run with Lebron.

Bosh had similar numbers, but on better efficiency.

Love could have been better though. He was a greater talent than Bosh imo.

[Smoke117]

You have to factor in Love’s playing time got cut too. He averaged roughly 22/13 per 36 as a third option in 2017.

I'm pretty sure Love was averaging 20 in 2017, too, before he got hurt. And I'm right. https://www.nba.com/article/2017/02/14/cavaliers-kevin-love-out-6-weeks-arthroscopic-surgery-left-knee


He was out 6 weeks for arthroscopic surgery on his left knee on February 14th. He was averaging 20.0ppg 11.1rpg on the season. Not surprising that he ended up at 19.0ppg working his way back and getting ready for the playoffs. He basically averaged 20ppg for 2/3rds of the season.

[RRR3]

Now it’s LeBron’s fault Love chokes in the playoffs. Can’t make this shit up.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No Kyrie in 2018 either.

Just saying fellas :confusedshrug:

[Indian guy]

Love was a 14-15ppg scorer in the playoffs. And shooting like 40% from the field. ~39% his last playoff run with Lebron.

Bosh averaged basically the same numbers, but on better efficiency.

Love could have been better. He was a better talent than Bosh imo.

Playoff ball is more concentrated to your best scorers. The inferior players is going to get even more marginalized when the stakes rise. Cleveland posted GOAT ORTGs in the playoffs in 2016 and 2017. Don't think how they were using Love was an issue. And if Love was indeed capable of doing more, then the 2018 playoffs made it pretty clear he's simply not 2nd option material against playoff defense. And the 2019 season made it even more obvious that his struggles had nothing to do with LeBron.

[LAmbruh]

Poor little Kuniva getting spit roasted yet again :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Karl Malone regular season TS: 57.7%

Playoff TS: 52.6%




Stocktonball amirite. It couldn’t be that some players just are worse in the playoffs.

[Smoke117]

No Kyrie in 2018 either.

Just saying fellas :confusedshrug:

Love only played 28mpg that season. He averaged 22.7ppg per 36. LeBron averaged 26.7ppg per 36. What is your issue?

[RRR3]

Love only played 28mpg that season. He averaged 22.7ppg per 36. LeBron averaged 26.7ppg per 36. What is your issue?
LeBron should have averaged only 20 PPG so Love got all the touches obviously.

[PickernRoller]

OP got a nice collection of insects in this thread.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the opposite. Bran's a clear cut second option, not even a 1B.

Top 10 Players in the league:

Kawhi
KD
Giannis
Harden
Anthony Davis
Curry
Jokic
Embiid
Damien
Westbrook
Mitchell
etc....

Bran's somewhere here....

In short, not even Bran ball will be able to bridge the current impact disparity between Bran and AD. But.... the fraud can always surprise and show how much of a cancer he can be. We'll see.

[Draz]

You gotta give it up to get something else

[And1AllDay]

New lakers big 3 outcha like


https://i.postimg.cc/kgG9VqRY/source.gif

[3ball]

The ppg, usage and accolades are all lower for Bosh/Love than 3rd options Klay, Worthy, Parish, and Ginobili (when he started)

Klay (17-19') and Worthy (86') averaged over 20 as 3rd option...Parish made all-nba as third option.

Lebron clearly reduced his 3rd option, while other stars didn't or not as much

[Turbo Slayer]

New lakers big 3 outcha like


https://i.postimg.cc/kgG9VqRY/source.gif

:banana: :hammertime: :djparty

[Turbo Slayer]

The ppg, usage and accolades are all lower for Bosh/Love than 3rd options Klay, Worthy, Parish, and Ginobili (when he started)

Klay (17-19') and Worthy (86') averaged over 20 as 3rd option...Parish made all-nba as third option.

Lebron clearly reduced his 3rd option, while other stars didn't or not as much

Lier. 3ball is a lier. Spreading his propaganda to poison this precious board. LIER :no:

[305Baller]

New lakers big 3 outcha like


https://i.postimg.cc/kgG9VqRY/source.gif


https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/020/457/760/large/benjamin-pangan-iii-joker1920bushu.jpg


WOOHOOO!!!!!

[bigkingsfan]

3rd/4th options, Horace/BJ became all stars the instant Ordan retired.

[Turbo Slayer]

OP got a nice collection of insects in this thread.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict the opposite. Bran's a clear cut second option, not even a 1B.

Top 10 Players in the league:

Kawhi
KD
Giannis
Harden
Anthony Davis
Curry
Jokic
Embiid
Damien
Westbrook
Mitchell
etc....

Bran's somewhere here....

In short, not even Bran ball will be able to bridge the current impact disparity between Bran and AD. But.... the fraud can always surprise and show how much of a cancer he can be. We'll see. Lier. Lebron the best player in the world.

[RRR3]

Why is 3ball such a liar?

In 2017, Love posted a 26.4 USG%. That’s higher than anything Worthy ever put up, and higher than anything Klay or Parish ever put up as 3rd option

[Turbo Slayer]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Why is 3ball such a liar?

In 2017, Love posted a 26.4 USG%. That

[3ball]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Why is 3ball such a liar?

In 2017, Love posted a 26.4 USG%. That

[Keno]

both bosh and love went from #1 option to #3 option knowingly, OP doesn't know ball. :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Parish never averaged a USG% over 20.9% once McHale became second option. Worthy never averaged over 22.8% until Kareem retired and he was a SECOND option in Kareem’s last years.

STOP LYING you piece of shit.

[Turbo Slayer]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Parish never averaged a USG% over 20.9% once McHale became second option. Worthy never averaged over 22.8% until Kareem retired and he was a SECOND option in Kareem

[3ball]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Parish never averaged a USG% over 20.9% once McHale became second option. Worthy never averaged over 22.8% until Kareem retired and he was a SECOND option in Kareem

[RRR3]

They had higher PPG because they played more minutes you ****ing retard. Love and Bosh had higher USG% than Parish or Worthy as 3rd options. Deal with it.

[Turbo Slayer]

They had higher PPG because they played more minutes you ****ing retard. Love and Bosh had higher USG% than Parish or Worthy as 3rd options. Deal with it.

RRR3, calm down. 3ball is human. We're all humans.

We have feelings. :eek:

[3ball]

They had higher PPG because they played more minutes you ****ing retard. Love and Bosh had higher USG% than Parish or Worthy as 3rd options. Deal with it.
Klay, Ginobili, Parish, and Worthy were regarded as great players/juggernauts, whereas everyone thinks Love and Bosh are garbage after playing with lebron

and that's the real travesty about playing with Lebron - he reduces you to spot-up shooter, so everyone thinks you suck... But the reality is that Lebron's ball-dominant skillset can't play off teammates or adjust to teammates

Why can't he get his same stats while playing off teammates and letting them handle the ball so they have better stats??... It's because lebron can't get his stats that way - he lacks the skill to play off teammates like MJ or Bird could

[RRR3]

Lmao this is how you know when you’ve ethered 3bot. He just copies and pastes a previous post like a ****ing retarded nutjob because he literally can’t think of a comeback. Watch him do it again.

[Turbo Slayer]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Lmao this is how you know when you

[egokiller]

25 year old Bosh w/o LeBron: 24/11/2 on 52%
26 year old Bosh w/ LeBron: 19/8/2 on 50%

25 year old Love w/o LeBron: 26/13/4 on 46%
26 year old Love w/ LeBron: 16/10/2 on 43%

25 year old AD w/o LeBron: 26/12/4 on 52%
26 year old AD w/ LeBron: ?

An interesting thing to note is how Bosh & Love's production AND efficiency were simultaneously stymied by Bron ball.

Will AD become the first big man to thrive alongside LeBron?

Fun fact: All three regular seasons from Love, Bosh, and AD prior to joining LeBron were better than any season of Pau Gasol's career.

It's not so much their reduction in points, and more so how they had to become spot up shooters to accommodate LeBron's piss poor style of basketball that is only good for going 3/9 despite being on the most stacked teams in his conference. He showed up to the finals fresh against a worn down WCF winner each time.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Miami tried to feature Bosh in the post. So did Cleveland with Love. Those guys couldn't produce offense as reliably as LeBron, Wade and Irving. Usually they'd give it a go in the first quarter and move on when it wasn't working. As a first option, sure keep feeding the guy until he gets going. When you have two other guys who are better scorers, it makes no sense to keep feeding the third best scorer.

Love isn't dumped on by anyone who knows basketball. Cleveland put up all time post season offense when he was there. He was a big part of that even if he wasn't scoring. He spaced for LeBron and Irving. That's a really useful thing to do and it doesn't show up in the box score, but by just standing there being a threat he's making the offense better even without touching the ball. He gave some teams real headaches (Raptors for example), but struggled against others (Warriors). He was a valuable contributer, but limited as a player.

Same with Bosh. He really helped their defense. That was more valuable than his scoring, so that's where they used him. That he made them better is clear. They were struggling against the Celtics in 2012 when he was out injured. His coming back is one of the things that helped turn that series around. Even when he wasn't scoring he was making the Heat better. And Bosh not scoring was usually not that big a deal. The Heat had two more really good scorers. What they really needed was for Bosh to contribute in other ways, spacing and defense. He usually did that job well.

One thing though was clear with both. While they were overall very helpful to the cause. They were both elite role players, not elite main options. They struggled in certain matchups despite efforts by their team and LeBron to get them going. Classical role player stuff. Great one game, gone the next. Only they did way more than the typical role player. They couldn't lead their teams to any kind of success as the main guy, but they were both key to success in a reduced role.

[PickernRoller]

It's not so much their reduction in points, and more so how they had to become spot up shooters to accommodate LeBron's piss poor style of basketball that is only good for going 3/9 despite being on the most stacked teams in his conference. He showed up to the finals fresh against a worn down WCF winner each time.

And even then 2 of those "winning" series went to 7, twice requiring legacy bailout shots, and in the case of 16', even blatant league interference like we've never seen before.... which led to the KD-Warriors. :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Miami tried to feature Bosh in the post. So did Cleveland with Love. Those guys couldn't produce offense as reliably as LeBron, Wade and Irving. Usually they'd give it a go in the first quarter and move on when it wasn't working. As a first option, sure keep feeding the guy until he gets going. When you have two other guys who are better scorers, it makes no sense to keep feeding the third best scorer.

Love isn't dumped on by anyone who knows basketball. Cleveland put up all time post season offense when he was there. He was a big part of that even if he wasn't scoring. He spaced for LeBron and Irving. That's a really useful thing to do and it doesn't show up in the box score, but by just standing there being a threat he's making the offense better even without touching the ball. He gave some teams real headaches (Raptors for example), but struggled against others (Warriors). He was a valuable contributer, but limited as a player.

Same with Bosh. He really helped their defense. That was more valuable than his scoring, so that's where they used him. That he made them better is clear. They were struggling against the Celtics in 2012 when he was out injured. His coming back is one of the things that helped turn that series around. Even when he wasn't scoring he was making the Heat better. And Bosh not scoring was usually not that big a deal. The Heat had two more really good scorers. What they really needed was for Bosh to contribute in other ways, spacing and defense. He usually did that job well.

One thing though was clear with both. While they were overall very helpful to the cause. They were both elite role players, not elite main options. They struggled in certain matchups despite efforts by their team and LeBron to get them going. Classical role player stuff. Great one game, gone the next. Only they did way more than the typical role player. They couldn't lead their teams to any kind of success as the main guy, but they were both key to success in a reduced role.
Championship basketball isn't as simple as "love/bosh can't score as good as Kyrie or Lebron, so we won't pass to them"

The problem with Lebron's teams is that lebron-ball (your-turn-my-turn with Kyrie) doesn't move the ball or wear down the opponent's defense, so the opponent is fresher on offense than lebron's teams - otoh, lebron's teams are worn out from defending ball movement and therefore can't get hot offensively like the opponent.. the opponent plays a better brand that puts better pressure on a defense and wins the attrition battle better

[Ainosterhaspie]

They passed Love and Bosh the ball. They ran plays through them. They moved on when they were cold. I know you've built grandiose theories based on box scores rather than watching games, but you don't have a clue. What you describe isn't what happened in games.

[plowking]

Didn't Bosh average something like 25/10 when Wade was out?

His stats actually went up as a second option playing next to Bron.

[warriorfan]

Most of the time when a scorer takes a reduced roll their points per game drop but their efficiency rises. In these cases of Bosh and Love we see a reduced load and efficiency, showing they arnt getting their comfortable spots, LeBron ball is not making the game easier for them, which in turn reduces the ceiling for a team and requires LeBron to team hop to overload teams in order to win

[SpaceJam]

Most of the time when a scorer takes a reduced roll their points per game drop but their efficiency rises. In these cases of Bosh and Love we see a reduced load and efficiency, showing they arnt getting their comfortable spots, LeBron ball is not making the game easier for them, which in turn reduces the ceiling for a team and requires LeBron to team hop to overload teams in order to win

Bosh in Toronto - 49/30/80 shooting splits

Bosh in Heatles era - 51/31/81 shooting splits

Love in Minny - 45/36/81 shooting splits

Love in Cleveland - 43/38/84 shooting splits

What are you talking about playboy? How about Wade and Irving's efficiency rising?

[34-24 Footwork]

Only losers sit with their grand kids talking numbers they averaged on teams that went nowhere.

Lol. Yet you and the other nerds are the first to talk about the numbers Lebron has put up in losing efforts.

Which one is it? Does losing matter more or does numbers?

Or do you straddle the fence when convenient?

[Kblaze8855]

I assure you....if Bosh and Love were doing insane numbers in the finals and winning several I wouldnt add the "Teams that went nowhere" part. Love was ready to demand out because he couldnt make the playoffs. Hardly the same thing as making the finals again and again and again and winning ring after ring after ring. The "Teams that went nowhere" part was obviously the issue. Which is why they left....

[Doranku]

According to fantasy experts prior to the 2011 season, Bosh's production was predicted to only slightly decline from his Toronto output.. and that was assuming he played less minutes (which he didn't).


This makes it difficult to know which way Bosh's minutes will go, but for the sake of comparison, let's assume that Bosh also plays 32.8 minutes per game (same as KG in 2007-08) as a lower bound. If we also assume Bosh's per minute production stays constant, as KG's did in '08, we can forecast Bosh's statistics for the upcoming season.


Bosh's numbers project to dip only slightly relative to his Toronto production despite the hypothetical decline in minutes. Part of this is due to the fact that dropping to 32.8 minutes per game is a smaller decrease for Bosh than it was for KG in percentage terms. Either way, we should still expect Bosh to be a solid 20/10 big with 1 blk and superb percentages. Any improvement in efficiency is icing on the cake for a guy who shot 51.8 percent from the field and 80 percent from the line last season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/471376-fantasy-nba-how-far-will-chris-boshs-stats-fall-in-miami

But yeah, let's keep ignoring the facts that LeBron marginalizes big men because oF cOuRSe a THiRd OpTioNs NuMbERs ArE goNnA gO doWn.

[Kblaze8855]

According to fantasy experts prior to the 2011 season, Bosh's production was predicted to only slightly decline from his Toronto output.. and that was assuming he played less minutes (which he didn't).



https://bleacherreport.com/articles/471376-fantasy-nba-how-far-will-chris-boshs-stats-fall-in-miami

But yeah, let's keep ignoring the facts that LeBron marginalizes big men because oF cOuRSe a THiRd OpTioNs NuMbERs ArE goNnA gO doWn.


Lets start over here because im having a hard time believing you cant grasp the problem here.....


Can you think of any two guys who put up 30 and 27ppg....who when put on one team....with a guy who also put up 25ppg....wouldnt lead to reduced production for the least of the 3? Really.

Anyone ever. Any 30ppg player...you could combine with a 27ppg player....and not have their presence limit production of a 3rd option who used to be a first?

You think if you put prime David Robinson and Tmac on one team and added Glen Rice or Joe Johnson in their 25ppg form....they would still do those numbers as the third option? What precedent is there for that? The highest scoring third options in the last 40 years are Tom Chambers in Seattle and Tim Hardaway on Run TMC. Only one of them got to 23ppg. And neither of them played with anyone who scored as well as Lebron OR Wade much less....both of them at once.

What logical reason is there to assume Bosh scores his previous 24 as a third option when NOBODY in your life has done it? The Nuggets didnt even do it when they were scoring 125 a game in the 80s. Their third options didnt get past 22 a game. Bosh was supposed to keep up his Toronto production in the 2000s on a team that scored 102 a game and not 125?

Wade dropped a point, Lebron went down 3 points, and Bosh went down 5....


Tell me....how was that to be avoided?

3 guys supposed to score 75 a game(over 80 if they maintained their previous numbers actually)?

Only 3 teams since the merger had their top 3 scorers even get to 73 points. And those teams played 30-40 years ago and averaged 127, 123, and 119 points.

How were the Heat supposed to do it in a time where the highest scoring team in the NBA scored under 108? You giving this any thought beyond Lebron?

Forget Lebron.

Why didnt other teams with 3 stars have their 3rd option doing 24ppg?

Think about that for a moment and let me know if you see our problem. I dont think we are as far apart here as it seems. I think you arent thinking this through outside the confines of a Lebron discussion.

[ImKobe]

Lets start over here because im having a hard time believing you cant grasp the problem here.....


Can you think of any two guys who put up 30 and 27ppg....who when put on one team....with a guy who also put up 25ppg....wouldnt lead to reduced production for the least of the 3? Really.

Anyone ever. Any 30ppg player...you could combine with a 27ppg player....and not have their presence limit production of a 3rd option who used to be a first?

You think if you put prime David Robinson and Tmac on one team and added Glen Rice or Joe Johnson in their 25ppg form....they would still do those numbers as the third option? What precedent is there for that? The highest scoring third options in the last 40 years are Tom Chambers in Seattle and Tim Hardaway on Run TMC. Only one of them got to 23ppg. And neither of them played with anyone who scored as well as Lebron OR Wade much less....both of them at once.

Why didnt other teams with 3 stars have their 3rd option doing 24ppg?

Think about that for a moment and let me know if you see our problem.

24 is asking a lot but a 3rd option could still average 20+ ppg like we've seen many times, at least their offensive efficiency should go up with better teammates around them. It didn't happen with Bosh as a 3rd option and it didn't happen with Love.

Klay Thompson is a good example. Obviously we're talking about one of the greatest shooters ever so he doesn't demand the ball and neither does Steph, which led to all 3 averaging 22+ ppg and the Warriors being more efficient on offense in 2017 than in their 73-9 season. It works when your superstar player/MVP is one of the most unselfish players in the league (Curry) and he's paired with other guys who can play off-ball as well. Wade, Lebron and Bosh all dominated the ball prior to teaming up, same with the Cleveland Big 3. Lebron's ball-dominant playing style doesn't allow two other guys to put up high numbers on a consistent basis.

[Kblaze8855]

Klay put up 22, 20, and 21 a game on teams that scored 116 to 119ppg. The Heat by 2012 were doing 98.5ppg....as one of the top scoring teams in the league. When they did 102 it was 5th in the league. The slowest pace team in the NBA last year did 105ppg. Obviously in todays league the extra scoring would give Bosh a chance to go from 16-19 to 19-22....playing the exact same way.

Thats what seem to be ignoring here. ALL the bigtime scoring 3rd options were in eras where 110-125ppg wasnt uncommon. Defensive eras never allowed such a thing. In the league the Heat were in(which wasnt great on D itself compared to the era before) a big 3 wouldnt score like that. Ray Allen.....generally considered the least of the big 3? Went from a career high 26ppg all the way to 17 in 2008. Pierce went from 25 to 20. KG 22 to 19. Responsibility, plays run for you, and often minutes reduce on talented teams....

Nobody should be surprised a 3rd option isnt doing huge numbers in leagues that dont have 125ppg teams....nor should we be surprised guys dont do 20ppg in 28 minutes a game like Love. Why would he do superstar numbers in 28-32 minutes as a sidekick or 3rd option when he played 36-39 as the only star to get the numbers before?

I just feel like if some of you didnt muddy your thought process with Lebron you wouldnt think any of this was odd.

[SpaceJam]

Close thread, y'all been

BLAZED.

[LAmbruh]

Bosh in Toronto - 49/30/80 shooting splits

Bosh in Heatles era - 51/31/81 shooting splits

Love in Minny - 45/36/81 shooting splits

Love in Cleveland - 43/38/84 shooting splits

What are you talking about playboy? How about Wade and Irving's efficiency rising?
ouch

[RRR3]

Why do Kobetards insist on arguing with Kblaze? :biggums:

Buncha masochists.

[TheMan]

AD will get thrown under the bus just like Bosh and Love were when the Lakers fail to get past Kawhi, PG and the Clippers. The Ball Hog can't deliver anymore and he'll refuse to take a back seat to his younger teammate, but his stans will blame AD and not enough help. But stats tho!

Moar help!!!

[Hey Yo]

AD will get thrown under the bus just like Bosh and Love were when the Lakers fail to get past Kawhi, PG and the Clippers. The Ball Hog can't deliver anymore and he'll refuse to take a back seat to his younger teammate, but his stans will blame AD and not enough help. But stats tho!

Moar help!!!
Would it be cooler if LeBron grabbed his lightest, weakest LA teammate and punched him in the face?

[TheMan]

Would it be cooler if LeBron grabbed his lightest, weakest LA teammate and punched him in the face?
That's what real leaders do, he knocked some sense into Kerr and Kerr responded when MJ told him that he was gonna go to him if his man left him. Set him up for an easy Finals game winner and the rest is history.

FYI, Kerr was a nobody before he hooked up with the GOAT, credit Kerr for being a quick learner and now Kerr is a future HOFer. His first 3 rings with the GOAT, changed his whole career trajectory. If a punch to the pie hole was the price, most NBA players would sign up for that...unless you're a loser.

GOAT :bowdown:

[TheMan]

One more point, would've been great for LeBron to have been MJ's teammate as a youngster too, LeBron would've been well served to have gotten a punch to the mug, might've helped him not be such a 3/9 beta. Man up or GTFO.

[Hey Yo]

That's what real leaders do, he knocked some sense into Kerr and Kerr responded when MJ told him that he was gonna go to him if his man left him. Set him up for an easy Finals game winner and the rest is history.

FYI, Kerr was a nobody before he hooked up with the GOAT, credit Kerr for being a quick learner and now Kerr is a future HOFer. His first 3 rings with the GOAT, changed his whole career trajectory. If a punch to the pie hole was the price, most NBA players would sign up for that...unless you're a loser.

GOAT :bowdown:
But I was told he was a big reason why the 94 Bulls won only 2 less games than the year before.

What happened to:

"They didn't just lose Jordan :mad: They brought in Kerr, Kukoc and Longley :mad: :mad: "

So now all of a sudden Kerr was a nobody until MJ made him into a HOF'er :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

But I was told he was a big reason why the 94 Bulls won only 2 less games than the year before.

What happened to:

"They didn't just lose Jordan :mad: They brought in Kerr, Kukoc and Longley :mad: :mad: "

So now all of a sudden Kerr was a nobody until MJ made him into a HOF'er :roll: :roll:
Did I miss something? Those 94 Bulls won the chip? Asking for a friend...

No one gives a shit about RS wins. Look at the 60 win Hawks from a few years back, no one threw a parade for them, last I remember.

[Hey Yo]

One more point, would've been great for LeBron to have been MJ's teammate as a youngster too, LeBron would've been well served to have gotten a punch to the mug, might've helped him not be such a 3/9 beta. Man up or GTFO.
Except LeBron wasn't 6-3 155 pounds like Kerr.

We all know about MJ's bottom lip quivering when The Chief didn't put up with his kiddy bullshit.

[I]

[Hey Yo]

Did I miss something? Those 94 Bulls won the chip? Asking for a friend...

No one gives a shit about RS wins. Look at the 60 win Hawks from a few years back, no one threw a parade for them, last I remember.
Except MJ stans

The 2016 Warriors are not better than the 96 Bulls!!!!!!!!!! :cry: :mad: :cry:

[TheMan]

Except MJ stans

The 2016 Warriors are not better than the 96 Bulls!!!!!!!!!! :cry: :mad: :cry::no:

RS wins + the chip = GOAT 96 Bulls...fact

RS wins without a title, who gaf

The 2016 Warriors should've lost to KD and company where it not for their beta choke job. Dominant team my ass :lol The 96 Bulls were never in danger of choking away their fourth title.

[RRR3]

One more point, would've been great for LeBron to have been MJ's teammate as a youngster too, LeBron would've been well served to have gotten a punch to the mug, might've helped him not be such a 3/9 beta. Man up or GTFO.
LeBron would beat the unholy shit out of MJ. You’re delusional if you think otherwise.

MJ wouldn’t dare punch him in the face he only would do that to (relative) shrimps like Kerr

[3ball]

LeBron would beat the unholy shit out of MJ. You’re delusional if you think otherwise.

MJ wouldn’t dare punch him in the face he only would do that to (relative) shrimps like Kerr
He knocked out 7-footer Will Perdue, so no

Horace talks about it in this interview:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8_aYOQVWSCY


He also was ready to beat the shit out of X-man in the 92' playoffs... so he'd beat the shit out of Lebron, who would be scared just like X-man was...

It's quite possible that Lebron has never been in a fight in his life - I remember when dudes literally push down lebron on the court and he doesn't retaliate - he's scared to fight

[superduper]

LeBron would beat the unholy shit out of MJ. You’re delusional if you think otherwise.

MJ wouldn’t dare punch him in the face he only would do that to (relative) shrimps like Kerr

When has Bran EVER showed that type of alpha aggression EVER in his life or career? Dude would go flying 20 feet back if MJ even flinched towards him ala the patented LeFlop:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/BeautifulPaleImperatorangel-small.gif


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron would beat the unholy shit out of MJ. You

[3ball]

Lebron's last fight was when he was like 8 years old, before he got discovered and coddled from that point forward

Where's lebron's "top 10 fights" videos on YouTube?

MJ has them... Tons of em

Lebron only has vids of him getting punked .. :roll:

He's backed down from any confrontation I've ever seen - he literally let guys push him down and zero reaction..

He scurred

[bigkingsfan]

MJ couldn't even beat Pip for Madonna

[TheMan]

Lebron's last fight was when he was like 8 years old, before he got discovered and coddled from that point forward

Where's lebron's "top 10 fights" videos on YouTube?

MJ has them... Tons of em

Lebron only has vids of him getting punked .. :roll:

He's backed down from any confrontation I've ever seen - he literally let guys push him down and zero reaction..

He scurred
Exactly

Every GOAT has thrown punches at LEAST ONCE, LeBron is going on to his 17th season and never has he thrown one punch :oldlol:

Dude is scurred to fight.

His best fights compilation, and not one fight...

https://youtu.be/LTPxGd68cgg

Anyone who has played hoops knows that when you're competing, things get out of hand from time to time...except LeBron never has.

What's up with that???

:facepalm

[RRR3]

LeBron is mature enough not to start fights=he

[superduper]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron is mature enough not to start fights=he

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]LeBron is mature enough not to start fights=he

[RRR3]

And then Marion later became a role player on LeMobBoss’s team :lol

LeBron isn’t an insecure bully like MJ he doesn’t need to go around punching his weaker teammates to prove he’s alpha.

[Turbo Slayer]

[QUOTE=RRR3]And then Marion later became a role player on LeMobBoss

[3ball]

Alpha is lebron
He's scared to fight.. let's guys disrespect him a d push him around

[Turbo Slayer]

He's scared to fight
Fighting is not classy. Keeping your cool is classy like Bron did to 2016 warriors. Green threw a punch but LeBron didn't flinch . Alpha.

[3ball]

Fighting is not classy. Keeping your cool is classy like Bron did to 2016 warriors. Green threw a punch but LeBron didn't flinch . Alpha.
let's guys disrespect him and push him around.. not alpha.. that's why he isn't feared like MJ.. Guys like Lance know they can blow in his ear and he'll just take it

[RealSkipBayless]

Shawn Marion
Draymond Green
Joakim Noah
Kevin Garnett
Nazhr Mohammed
Mario Chalmers

The list goes on... Either physically or verbally bullied Lebron. Hell, his own teammate Wade yelled at him in 2011 and had him shaking...

Only time he ever postured like he was going to anything was with Chalmers and Draymond AFTER he was already being held back by teammates..

He's a stat padding beta...

[Turbo Slayer]

let's guys disrespect him and push him around.. not alpha.. that's why he isn't feared like MJ.. Guys like Lance know they can blow in his ear and he'll just take it
Hater.

[Turbo Slayer]

Shawn Marion
Draymond Green
Joakim Noah
Kevin Garnett
Nazhr Mohammed
Mario Chalmers

The list goes on... Either physically or verbally bullied Lebron. Hell, his own teammate Wade yelled at him in 2011 and had him shaking...

Only time he ever postured like he was going to anything was with Chalmers and Draymond AFTER he was already being held back by teammates..

He's a stat padding beta... Hater.

[RealSkipBayless]

let's guys disrespect him and push him around.. not alpha.. that's why he isn't feared like MJ.. Guys like Lance know they can blow in his ear and he'll just take it
Lol I forgot about Lance... Lebron just took it and smiled.. :lol :lol

[Turbo Slayer]

Lol I forgot about Lance... Lebron just took it and smiled.. :lol :lol
Beta. u

[TheMan]

Fighting is not classy. Keeping your cool is classy like Bron did to 2016 warriors. Green threw a punch but LeBron didn't flinch . Alpha.
Lol, beta post. :facepalm

[RRR3]

TheMan if he met LeBron IRL

[bigkingsfan]

You can't fight Mike because you get tossed, while he stays in the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9NcLoN5WbU

[RRR3]

MJ’s fighting tactics:

Bear hug and lightly slap in the face


Yeah he’d totally knock out a 6’8 260 pound behemoth using that method.

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]MJ

[RRR3]

You wouldn't dare talk shit to old ass MJ right now :lol

He knocked out 7 footer Will Purdue, he'd flick you like a cigar.
You’re damn right I wouldn’t. MJ has 6 inches on me and he’s way stronger. Unlike you I can admit things like this :confusedshrug:

Meanwhile you can’t admit to the fact that a mean look from LeBron would have you pooping your space jam boxers.

[Turbo Slayer]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You

[Turbo Slayer]

Lol, beta post. :facepalm Beta.

[red1]

bosh was putting up numbers but he wasn't really doing shit before lebron AND wade.


I'm pretty sure he's happy being a two-time ****ing champion. :roll:

[And1AllDay]

Lol, beta post. :facepalm

Beta with a tranny avy

[RRR3]

bosh was putting up numbers but he wasn't really doing shit before lebron AND wade.


I'm pretty sure he's happy being a two-time ****ing champion. :roll:
Red as an expert on fighting who would win between MJ and LeBron?
These Jordan stans delusional :facepalm

[Turbo Slayer]

Nah. Should be alright once AD gets that ring on his finger :pimp:

[3ball]

Nah. Should be alright once AD gets that ring on his finger :pimp:
Think about how great AD would have to become to take over this team

Like, by the end of the regular season, imagine that it's AD at the controls - the Lakers were gradually running more and more stuff through him as the season wore on (rather than the plodding Lebron), and it's AD's team by the time the playoffs start - MVP of the league

If the Lakers didn't have so much talent over and above Lebron and AD, I would say the above scenario MUST happen for them to win - Lebron is too slow to dominate with bron-ball anymore, especially since the Spurs (record win in 14'), Warriors (record win in 18'), and now the league (lottery in 19') has figured out bron-ball..

But the Lakers DO have ridiculous talent after AD and Lebron - it's nauseating - so they can still run Bron's shit-ball and win, just like his stacked talent advantages in 12, 13, and 16'..

[Turbo Slayer]

Think about how great AD would have to become to take over this team

Like, by the end of the regular season, imagine that it's AD at the controls - the Lakers were gradually running more and more stuff through him as the season wore on (rather than the plodding Lebron), and it's AD's team by the time the playoffs start - MVP of the league

If the Lakers didn't have so much talent over and above Lebron and AD, I would say the above scenario MUST happen for them to win - Lebron is too slow to dominate with bron-ball anymore, especially since the Spurs (record win in 14'), Warriors (record win in 18'), and now the league (lottery in 19') has figured out bron-ball..

But the Lakers DO have ridiculous talent after AD and Lebron - it's nauseating - so they can still run Bron's shit-ball and win, just like his stacked talent advantages in 12, 13, and 16'..

Once a beta, always a beta. Obsessed with Lebron.

HALP!!!!!!! Call 911!!!!!!! We got a case of ''Lebron Sickness'' syndrome. :lol

[3ball]

Once a beta, always a beta. Obsessed with Lebron.

HALP!!!!!!! Call 911!!!!!!! We got a case of ''Lebron Sickness'' syndrome. :lol
I'm giving you the thought processes it takes to predict the future

What you want to do is imagine you're in the future and looking back in hindsight.. :pimp:

I see Dwight talking about god and going on a mini-christian rant after he wins the title this year... We'll see if I'm right...

[tpols]

MJ’s fighting tactics:

Bear hug and lightly slap in the face


Yeah he’d totally knock out a 6’8 260 pound behemoth using that method.


Wouldn't have to knock him out...

the ***** would drop to the floor voluntarily. :yaohappy:

[SpaceJam]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Except LeBron wasn't 6-3 155 pounds like Kerr.

We all know about MJ's bottom lip quivering when The Chief didn't put up with his kiddy bullshit.

[I]

[G0ATbe]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Except LeBron wasn't 6-3 155 pounds like Kerr.

We all know about MJ's bottom lip quivering when The Chief didn't put up with his kiddy bullshit.

[I]

[Turbo Slayer]

Jesus Christ, Rob Parish the absolute ALPHA. This wasn't young MJ either, this was GOAT MJ and Parish told him to sit his ass down and Jordan took it :roll: :roll: :roll:
:lol :roll:

[3ball]

Jesus Christ, Rob Parish the absolute ALPHA. This wasn't young MJ either, this was GOAT MJ and Parish told him to sit his ass down and Jordan took it :roll: :roll: :roll:
MJ did the same thing to Bill Cartwright and Bill said he'd break MJ's legs

MJ just wants to make sure his bigs aren't soft.. it's pretty genius.. Cartwright knew shit was real and to play his best come gametime

[Turbo Slayer]

MJ did the same thing to Bill Cartwright and Bill said he'd break MJ's legs

MJ just wants to make sure his bigs aren't soft.. it's pretty genius and Cartwright knew shit was real and to play his best come gametime


Nope.

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]Except LeBron wasn't 6-3 155 pounds like Kerr.

We all know about MJ's bottom lip quivering when The Chief didn't put up with his kiddy bullshit.

[I]

[Turbo Slayer]

Like all bullies, Jordan was essentially a coward when someone actually stepped up to him.
:lol

[RRR3]

MJ did the same thing to Bill Cartwright and Bill said he'd break MJ's legs

MJ just wants to make sure his bigs aren't soft.. it's pretty genius.. Cartwright knew shit was real and to play his best come gametime
Too bad MJ turned Cartwright into a spot up shooting scrub.

No wonder Cartwright hated him.

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ did the same thing to Bill Cartwright and Bill said he'd break MJ's legs

MJ just wants to make sure his bigs aren't soft.. it's pretty genius.. Cartwright knew shit was real and to play his best come gametime
Oh, Jordan was checking to see if Parish, after TWENTY tears in the league and a HOF career, wasn't soft? GTFO :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Oh, Jordan was checking to see if Parish, after TWENTY tears in the league and a HOF career, wasn't soft? GTFO :oldlol:
Yeah MJ needed proof that THIS guy wasn’t soft


https://youtu.be/_ow29Ea9hCQ

[Smoke117]

Oh, Jordan was checking to see if Parish, after TWENTY tears in the league and a HOF career, wasn't soft? GTFO :oldlol:

It's pretty common knowledge Jordan is a prick and a pretty crummy human being. In 3ball's distorted perception, though, he is the greatest chap since Jesus Christ himself.

[3ball]

Hope so. Both transformed from career losers to nba champs.
Isn't that what happened to Lebron after teaming up with them?

How many rings for Lebron before Bosh?

[SouBeachTalents]

Isn't that what happened to Lebron after teaming up with them?

How many rings for Lebron before Bosh or Love?
How many rings for Jordan before Pippen?

[Turbo Slayer]

How many rings for Jordan before Pippen?
ether :lol

[RRR3]

How many rings for Jordan before Pippen?
Brutal.

[3ball]

How many rings for Jordan before Pippen?
Bosh/Wade > Pippen

Heck, just Wade > Pippen
.

[3ball]

Oh, Jordan was checking to see if Parish, after TWENTY tears in the league and a HOF career, wasn't soft? GTFO :oldlol:
MJ had never played with Parish before

For all he knew, Bird/McHale/DJ were carrying his soft ass

[Smoke117]

Isn't that what happened to Lebron after teaming up with them?

How many rings for Lebron before Bosh?

You mean when he had quality players around him he actually won and when he didn't he lost? Well, damn. LeBron wasn't lucky enough enough like MJ to have a top 30 all time player drafted to his team.

[RRR3]

You mean when he had quality players around him he actually won and when he didn't he lost? Well, damn. LeBron wasn't lucky enough enough like MJ to have a top 30 all time player drafted to his team.
Mo Williams was just as good as Pippen on offense.




:yaohappy:



He actually implied that. Not joking.

[3ball]

You mean when he had quality players around him he actually won and when he didn't he lost? Well, damn. LeBron wasn't lucky enough enough like MJ to have a top 30 all time player drafted to his team


Lebron lost with 27 ppg Wade and 29 ppg Kyrie, while the best Pippen-help that MJ lost with was 19 on 41% in 95' ECSF (baseball year)...

Or 16 on 42% in 90' ECF (migraine)...

MJ simply won with way the f.uck less...

And the best Pippen help that MJ lost with OUTSIDE of the baseball year and migraine debacle is losing with Pippen's 10 ppg in 88' and 89' playoffs... :eek: ..

Lebron is nowhere near MJ and needed far more help to win, because his narrower skillset (ball-domination) results in weaker teams (less ball movement and teammates playing below capacity/spot-up shooters)

[Smoke117]

Lebron lost with 27 ppg Wade and 29 ppg Kyrie, while the best Pippen-help that MJ lost with was 19 on 41% in 95' ECSF (baseball year)...

Or 16 on 42% in 90' ECF (migraine)...

MJ simply won with way the f.uck less...

And the best Pippen help that MJ lost with OUTSIDE of the baseball year and migraine debacle is losing with Pippen's 10 ppg in 88' and 89' playoffs... :eek: ..

Lebron is nowhere near MJ and needed far more help to win, because his narrower skillset (ball-domination) results in weaker teams (less ball movement and teammates playing below capacity/spot-up shooters)

Yawn. You are like a child the way you argue. I sometimes wonder if you actually even watched these Bulls series you go on about considering all your talking points revolve around ppg and fg%. Anyone who actually watched the Bulls play knows how big of an impact Pippen was having regardless if he was scoring a lot of points or not. Take 95 for instance, Pippen was a top defensive player in the entire league regardless of position (easily the best defensive player 1-4), but none of that matters apparently. All that matters is he scored 19ppg.

[Turbo Slayer]

..

Lebron is nowhere near MJ and needed far more help to win, because his narrower skillset (ball-domination) results in weaker teams (less ball movement and teammates playing below capacity/spot-up shooters) Weaker teams? Miami had 66 wins. ''Ball domination'' is a myth. Beta.

[3ball]

Mo Williams was just as good as Pippen on offense.




:yaohappy:



He actually implied that. Not joking.
I didn't imply shit - I informed you of the historical record that 09' Mo was far better than 89' Pippen:


09' Mo Will RS:. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 17.1 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
89' Pippen RS:.. 14/6/4.. 52.4 ts.. 102 ORtg.. 14.9 PER.. 0.080 ws/48.. 1.4 bpm.. 2.1 vorp

09' Mo Will ECF:.ni 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:. 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat 'o #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


Looks like Lebron had the far better cast but lost to a worse team than MJ defeated in 89'.. :confusedshrug:

Mo was also better than 19' Middleton:


MO.... WILLIAMS....:. 18/3/5.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ortg.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
KHRIS MIDDLETON:. 18/5/3.. 55.5 ts.. 106 ortg.. 16.3 PER.. 0.122 ws.. 0.7 bpm.. 1.6 vorp

[Turbo Slayer]

I didn't imply shit - I informed you of the historical record that 09' Mo was far better than 89' Pippen






3ball lying once again. Mo Willaims had 13.2 pts, 2.8 TRB, 4.9 ASTS, and worse shooting percentages. Pippen had 16.1 pts, 6.4 TRB, 5.2 ASTS. And better percentages.
Conclusion: Pippen is better career-wise.

Beta. :lol

[Smoke117]

I didn't imply shit - I informed you of the historical record that 09' Mo was far better than 89' Pippen:


09' Mo Will RS:. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 17.1 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
89' Pippen RS:.. 14/6/4.. 52.4 ts.. 102 ORtg.. 14.9 PER.. 0.080 ws/48.. 1.4 bpm.. 2.1 vorp

09' Mo Will ECF:.ni 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:. 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat 'o #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


Looks like Lebron had the far better cast but lost to a worse team than MJ defeated in 89'.. :confusedshrug:

Mo was also better than 19' Middleton:


MO.... WILLIAMS....:. 18/3/5.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ortg.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
KHRIS MIDDLETON:. 18/5/3.. 55.5 ts.. 106 ortg.. 16.3 PER.. 0.122 ws.. 0.7 bpm.. 1.6 vorp

Then you bring up dumb shit like this. Who cares about the 89 Bulls or an 89 Pippen? Nobody says he was a star. The fact that you are trying to compare an 89 Pippen to the best Mo Williams shows how much better Pippen was than him when the Bulls were winning championships, though. So good job. That the 89 Cavs underachieved doesn't really say anything in regards to winning with less or more. This is an indictment on the Cavs.

[Turbo Slayer]

3ball lying once again. Mo Willaims had 13.2 pts, 2.8 TRB, 4.9 ASTS, and worse shooting percentages. Pippen had 16.1 pts, 6.4 TRB, 5.2 ASTS. And better percentages.
Conclusion: Pippen is better career-wise.

Beta. :lol Ether.

[ImKobe]

Klay put up 22, 20, and 21 a game on teams that scored 116 to 119ppg. The Heat by 2012 were doing 98.5ppg....as one of the top scoring teams in the league. When they did 102 it was 5th in the league. The slowest pace team in the NBA last year did 105ppg. Obviously in todays league the extra scoring would give Bosh a chance to go from 16-19 to 19-22....playing the exact same way.

Thats what seem to be ignoring here. ALL the bigtime scoring 3rd options were in eras where 110-125ppg wasnt uncommon. Defensive eras never allowed such a thing. In the league the Heat were in(which wasnt great on D itself compared to the era before) a big 3 wouldnt score like that. Ray Allen.....generally considered the least of the big 3? Went from a career high 26ppg all the way to 17 in 2008. Pierce went from 25 to 20. KG 22 to 19. Responsibility, plays run for you, and often minutes reduce on talented teams....

Nobody should be surprised a 3rd option isnt doing huge numbers in leagues that dont have 125ppg teams....nor should we be surprised guys dont do 20ppg in 28 minutes a game like Love. Why would he do superstar numbers in 28-32 minutes as a sidekick or 3rd option when he played 36-39 as the only star to get the numbers before?

I just feel like if some of you didnt muddy your thought process with Lebron you wouldnt think any of this was odd.

The point isn't really the ppg but how efficient the offense is overall. Warriors were BETTER than their 73-9 team on offense with KD in 2017 and 2019.

Pierce, Ray and KG took less shots together than when they were on mediocre teams as first options but their efficiency went way up compared to their previous year.

You can talk about volume all your want in terms of 3rd option putting up a certain amount of points but my argument was that Thompson's numbers stayed the same/increased with GS adding a superstar 25-30 ppg scorer, whereas Bosh and Love saw a significant decline in their production.

Lebron's ball-dominant playing style doesn't allow for other players to eat as much. He does well enough with a star guard as a 1st/2nd option but he's never really made any bigs better than they were prior to joining him. We'll see if he's willing to let Davis dominate the ball like he should at his peak.

[Turbo Slayer]

3ball lying once again. Mo Willaims had 13.2 pts, 2.8 TRB, 4.9 ASTS, and worse shooting percentages. Pippen had 16.1 pts, 6.4 TRB, 5.2 ASTS. And better percentages.
Conclusion: Pippen is better career-wise.

Beta. :lol
ETHER :roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smoke117]

Lebron's ball-dominant playing style doesn't allow for other players to eat as much. He does well enough with a star guard as a 1st/2nd option but he's never really made any bigs better than they were prior to joining him. We'll see if he's willing to let Davis dominate the ball like he should at his peak.

Anthony Davis doesn't need to dominate the ball. That's not his game. Sixty two percent of his shots were assisted on this past season and 69% are assisted on for his career. He's not going to dominate the ball for the simple reason that, that isn't his game. Davis is a great star to team up with LeBron for this reason. He's going to get a lot of easy buckets off LeBron's playmaking.

[Turbo Slayer]

Anthony Davis doesn't need to dominate the ball. That's not his game. Sixty two percent of his shots were assisted on this past season and 69% are assisted on for his career. He's not going to dominate the ball for the simple reason that, that isn't his game. Davis is a great star to team up with LeBron for this reason. He's going to get a lot of easy buckets off LeBron's playmaking.
:applause: nice post. CAn't wait for Lebron alleyoops to AD :bowdown:

[3ball]

how big of an impact Pippen was having regardless if he was scoring a lot of points or not.


MJ and Pippen's excellence as perimeter defenders simply offset their league-worst rim protection, and allowed the Bulls to have the 7th, 4th, and 7th best defenses from 91-93'...

So Pippen wasn't this guy that gave the Bulls the best defense in the league - not even close - him and MJ simply gave the Bulls a good defense to accompany their goat offense (#2 and #5 all-time team ORtg in 92' and 91')

So you're overrating Pippen's impact... He's Draymond without tomahawk dunks, assuming Dray was 2nd option and getting about 4-5 more ppg... That's what MJ won 6 rings with, and that's why he had to average 4-5 more ppg than everyone in history to do it (woat offensive help)

Btw, you say that it's no biggie that Pippen wasn't a great scorer - so you're saying it's completely reasonable to ask the #1 option to score 4-5 more ppg than everyone in history (10-20 more than his 2nd option for all Finals, aka 1-man show), while still leading his team in assists most playoff runs???? That's doesn't smack of "goat" to you?






I sometimes wonder if you actually even watched these Bulls series


You apparently didn't watch back then if you think Pippen was a big factor (bigger than other 2nd options)

I was there at the time, and the Bulls were viewed as a 1-man show

People just forget:


https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=01m32s&v=N6og_pOVi2w


:facepalm





Yawn. You are like a child the way you argue.


Why, because you can't refute it?

Because Lebron lost with juggernaut help, while MJ only lost with weak help?

I'm making sound arguments with tons of proof... You're whining... That's what's happening here

[Turbo Slayer]

UPDATE: Akratozile IS BACKKKKK!!!! :eek:

:banana: :dancin :hammertime:

[tpols]

So you're overrating Pippen's impact... He's Draymond without tomahawk dunks


buuuullshit. :lol

Scottie Pippen was a top 5 lotto pick in the NBA's golden era.

Draymond green was a second rounder.

[3ball]

Then you bring up dumb shit like this. Who cares about the 89 Bulls or an 89 Pippen? Nobody says he was a star. The fact that you are trying to compare an 89 Pippen to the best Mo Williams shows how much better Pippen was than him when the Bulls were winning championships, though. So good job. That the 09 Cavs underachieved doesn't really say anything in regards to winning with less or more. This is an indictment on the Cavs.


Lebron had the.. #1 SRS team in 2009, but lost to the #4 SRS team

Jordan had the #10 SRS team in 1989, but beat the #1 SRS team..

Heck, MJ pulled a bigger upset than Dwight... :oldlol:

^^^^^ That's not significant??... MJ fans aren't supposed to bring this up and compare the casts like the big gap between Mo and Pip?... C'mon bruh, you expect me to let you win an argument that you're wrong about?... by NOT bringing up the salient points?... Makes no sense.. why would I do that

The reality is that pre-2011 Lebron had 4 teammates that were superior to 89' Pippen:



- all-star Mo
- 2-time all-star Jamison
- steals leader and 22/5/5 first-team defender - 05' Hughes
- 2-time all-star Zydrunas


Yet MJ won 6 rings and Lebron lost to Dwight in 09', faked an elbow injury during a 2010 meltdown, and then started team-hopping in 11'.

Heck, Lebron had the reigning East all-star center in 06' and 22/5/5 all-defender Hughes - one must assume that MJ would've beaten 89' Detroit with these guys rather than 89' Pip

Ultimately, there's this perception that pre-2011 Lebron was carrying lottery casts to high seeds and the Finals, while MJ was losing with Pip... But in reality, MJ's 85-89' casts are worse than anything Lebron ever had... That's why MJ had to carry his team to a close series with the 89' champs, while Lebron shoots 35% but still takes the champs 7 in 08'

[3ball]

buuuullshit. :lol

Scottie Pippen was a top 5 lotto pick in the NBA's golden era.

Draymond green was a second rounder.
Dray was a scholarship athlete at MSU, while Pip was a waterboy at Central Arkansas

Ultimately, both are considered late bloomers that took 3 seasons before they were viable NBA players

Dray developed into an equal or better shooter, passer, and rebounder than Pippen.. pippen is only a better slasher

It's simply not a stretch to say that Dray is Pippen without the tomahawk or 2nd option status, and the stats show this below:

PIPPEN 91-93' PLAYOFFS:. 20.3.... 8.2.. 6.1.. 53.6 ts.. 3.4 tov.. 2nd option
DRAY.... 15-16' PLAYOFFS:. 14.6.. 10.0.. 5.6.. 53.5 ts.. 2.6 tov.. 3rd option
PIPPEN 96-98' PLAYOFFS:. 17.6.... 7.4.. 5.0.. 50.0 ts.. 2.5 tov.. 2nd option

[tpols]

Dray was a scholarship athlete at MSU, while Pip was a waterboy at Central Arkansas




but if thats the case why was scottie taken top 5, and dray not top 30?

cmon breh... pippen was more talented. Hes basically a 6'9 sleek super dray.

[3ball]

I
but if thats the case why was scottie taken top 5, and dray not top 30?

cmon breh... pippen was more talented. Hes basically a 6'9 sleek super dray.
There's a lot of guys that are more athletic and slicker than Duncan, but they aren't better

Look how many horrible series Pippen had as 2nd option.. routinely getting 15 on 35%

Pippen and Dray are both defensive players with limitations on their offense - I don't believe there's a material gap between them -

Take Dray from Game 7 in 2016 - that's as good as Pippen ever played - Dray became 2nd option with his teammates slanking and would've had FMVP over the league scoring champ if Kyrie misses... Pip was never close to that..

And Pip was mechanical - not that slick - look at Pippen's shot attempt right before Kukoc gets the nod by Phil in 1994 - pip is a joke offensively.. looked like he just learned how to play yesterday on that play... That's a microcosm of his offensive ability when guys get up in his chest and play that real D

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Yeah MJ needed proof that THIS guy wasn

[Smoke117]

You're all over the place, pal.

So Robert Parish isn't soft because he hammered Bill Laimbeer with a cheap shot, that's proof he wasn't soft according to you but LeBron, who has never thrown a punch in his whole career in the NBA, isn't soft :confusedshrug:

Please make up your mind...mmm kay?

You're soft now if you don't throw a punch? Because getting thrown out of the game like an idiot is so hard right? Way to clown it up as always.

[TheMan]

Ether.
Forgot to log into another alt, ya fggot ass starface :lol

[TheMan]

You're soft now if you don't throw a punch? Because getting thrown out of the game like an idiot is so hard right? Way to clown it up as always.
Bro, fights happen all the time in every sport, tempers get flared and from time to time, ya gotta man up. No one is taking about grabbing a bat and beating someone to a bloody pulp, but when someone is trying to punk you, you gotta stand up.

[RRR3]

You're all over the place, pal.

So Robert Parish isn't soft because he hammered Bill Laimbeer with a cheap shot, that's proof he wasn't soft according to you but LeBron, who has never thrown a punch in his whole career in the NBA, isn't soft :confusedshrug:

Please make up your mind...mmm kay?
Do you understand nuance?

Parish doing that clearly showed he was willing to throw hands and wasn’t to be ****ed with. Not doing stuff like that doesn’t make you soft, though, it probably means you don’t think getting thrown out of the game is worth macho posturing and are able to control your temper.

[RRR3]

Bro, fights happen all the time in every sport, tempers get flared and from time to time, ya gotta man up. No one is taking about grabbing a bat and beating someone to a bloody pulp, but when someone is trying to punk you, you gotta stand up.
Or you can be smart and let your game do the talking and not hurt your team by getting ejected.

[3ball]

Or you can be smart and let your game do the talking and not hurt your team by getting ejected.
Nope..

Do you realize that if Lebron was a borderline NBA talent, his current mentality of being scared to fight would ensure that he doesn't make it?... Another borderline guy that was willing to scrap would undoubtedly make it in his place.. I promise

[Smoke117]

Bro, fights happen all the time in every sport, tempers get flared and from time to time, ya gotta man up. No one is taking about grabbing a bat and beating someone to a bloody pulp, but when someone is trying to punk you, you gotta stand up.

If you're the best player on the team your job is to check your temper and stay on the court.

[SpaceJam]

Bro, fights happen all the time in every sport, tempers get flared and from time to time, ya gotta man up. No one is taking about grabbing a bat and beating someone to a bloody pulp, but when someone is trying to punk you, you gotta stand up.

Like how Parish punked MJ

[ImKobe]

Anthony Davis doesn't need to dominate the ball. That's not his game. Sixty two percent of his shots were assisted on this past season and 69% are assisted on for his career. He's not going to dominate the ball for the simple reason that, that isn't his game. Davis is a great star to team up with LeBron for this reason. He's going to get a lot of easy buckets off LeBron's playmaking.

I understand the lobs and setting up AD for open jumpers but he gotta let him dominate the ball at least in the RS. Davis might get assisted on a lot of his shots (like most big men) since he doesn't initiate the offense but he's really good at creating his own shot and that puts more pressure on the defense. You don't want a 35 y.o Bron to be out there dominating the ball for 35-40 minutes a game during the RS.

Maybe "dominating" is not the right word, but they should let Davis get the most shots on offense to take the load off James, at least in the Regular Season.

[305Baller]

AD will be first option
kuzma 2nd option
old man bran= 3rd

[Gougou]

He will for sure, his stats will definitly take a hit aslong Lebron is there, but there is a chance AD will win a ring tho.


1st option - LBJ avg 27/8/7

2nd option - AD avg 26/12/3

3rd option - Kuzma 15/5/3


Something like that.

[RRR3]

Probably. They dont call it Bron ball for nothing.
Whoops.

[RRR3]

AD is scoring more points per 100 possessions this year (37.1 to 36.5) and has a higher TS% (59.9% to 59.7%)



Bran ball amirite

[ArbitraryWater]

Bosh and Love went from 1st options to 3rd options, and were weak minded and overrated to begin with.

AD went from 1st option to 2nd option and is actually great.

[egokiller]

AD is scoring more points per 100 possessions this year (37.1 to 36.5) and has a higher TS% (59.9% to 59.7%)



Bran ball amirite

:facepalm It has nothing to do with lefraud and everything to do with AD getting better as a player and refusing to allow bran ball to take place when he is on the court, unlike love and bosh who tolerated it.

[RRR3]

:facepalm It has nothing to do with lefraud and everything to do with AD getting better as a player and refusing to allow bran ball to take place when he is on the court, unlike love and bosh who tolerated it.
AD is an enormous LeBron stan. He

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=RRR3]AD is an enormous LeBron stan. He

[RRR3]

He told him flat out that he's not playing that bron ball shit. Why do you think you no longer see that style of offense happening when both are on the court. You think it's just a coincidence? :roll:
Sources=the voices inside your head.












:yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

AD is an enormous LeBron stan. He’s not telling LeBron shit.



Anthony Davis: I want to hold LeBron James accountable, ensure he makes All-Defensive team


“I want to be Defensive Player of the Year,” Davis told Yahoo Sports. “I think if I’m able to do that, I can help this team win. The offensive end will come around, but defensively, I want to hold myself, teammates, including LeBron, accountable in order for us to take on the challenge of being the best we can defensively. In doing so, we’ll have a good chance of winning every night. I want to make sure me and LeBron are on the All-Defensive Team. And for me personally, I just want to be the Defensive Player of the Year. If we’re able to hold teams under 100 [points], which is probably unrealistic but it should be our goal, I think we’ll have a shot at winning the title.”

AD is demanding LeBron makes a defensive team while he gets DPOY

Anthony Davis the Big D getting alpha AF :applause:


Sources: https://www.google.com/amp/s/nba.nbcsports.com/2019/09/09/anthony-davis-i-want-to-hold-lebron-james-accountable-ensure-he-makes-all-defensive-team/amp/

[egokiller]

Sources=the voices inside your head.

No sources = watching bran ball not being played when both are on the court.

Another one

Too EZ :applause:

[RRR3]

No sources = watching bran ball not being played when both are on the court.

Another one

Too EZ :applause:
LeBron is still ball dominant.




Oops.

[egokiller]

LeBron is still ball dominant.




Oops.

When both are on the court, the same shit style of bron ball where he makes the rest of the team resort to being spot up shooters isn't happening.

Another one.

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm It has nothing to do with lefraud and everything to do with AD getting better as a player and refusing to allow bran ball to take place when he is on the court, unlike love and bosh who tolerated it.

Oh shit, AD just got better in his 8th season?

Rare for today

[warriorfan]

Oh shit, AD just got better in his 8th season?

Rare for today

AD is a very rare player. He

[Bankaii]

:facepalm It has nothing to do with lefraud and everything to do with AD getting better as a player and refusing to allow bran ball to take place when he is on the court, unlike love and bosh who tolerated it.
Lebron’s time of possession has gone UP this season from last season dumbass. :oldlol:

AD randomly improved in his 8th season the moment he joins the lakers but it has nothing to do with Bron lmao?

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=Bankaii][B]Lebron

[egokiller]

Lebron’s time of possession has gone UP this season from last season dumbass. :oldlol:

AD randomly improved in his 8th season the moment he joins the lakers but it has nothing to do with Bron lmao?

It's not about total time of possession you mental midget. :oldlol: It's about what play style is lebron using when AD is on the court, and it's not bron ball. AD won't let him do it. Too alpha over him. You can try to grasp at any metric or stat you like, but eye test doesn't lie. Also last season to this season is only one data point.

[AlternativeAcc.]

OP in shambles :yaohappy:

[egokiller]

Damn. Another new account coming up for straight_altin?

Leave it to this fool to tip his hand too soon before the cards are all on the table. :lol

Stop making it so easy for me Joshua. :roll:

And to think you can avoid this embarrassment for yourself by actually watching the game and understanding that bron ball isn't being used when AD is on the court. :applause:

[AussieSteve]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]AD is a very rare player. He

[Bankaii]

It's not about total time of possession you mental midget. :oldlol: It's about what play style is lebron using when AD is on the court, and it's not bron ball. AD won't let him do it. Too alpha over him. You can try to grasp at any metric or stat you like, but eye test doesn't lie. Also last season to this season is only one data point.
It has everything to do with time of possession dumbass.

[egokiller]

It has everything to do with time of possession dumbass.
“Bron ball” is lebron being ball dominant while his teammates stand and wait, not optimizing the actual PG. you suck off 3Ball when he says that exact same thing but now it’s irrelevant:oldlol:

This team’s offense runs as Lebron dictates it. You can cry about it all you want but it’s his offense. You’re such a clown. You’re like 40+ years old go do something with your life besides trolling.

Wheels.....stop watching box scores and start watching games. When AD is in the game, lebron doesn't go with "bron ball" because AD doesn't allow it. Now go post on you other account and update your favorite thread like a good lil roller:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=407008&page=41

[red1]

If you cant tell the difference between ineffective unchecked production of no consequence and playing in a winning situation with worse numbers you shouldnt be talking ball to begin with. A good player on a shit team is gonna be free to go to his spots and do as he pleases all game.....and lose. A good player playing with other good players will no be able to do as he pleases as often....and may produce worse numbers while winning. He wont be the guy plays are run for to get the ball where he wants it. He wont take 8 shots in the 4th to bring his team back or die trying. He wont usually play the same minutes either because his team doesnt need him on the floor to play well.

Jordan, Pippen, and Kukoc dont make Ron Harper worse at basketball because he was leading the Clippers and became a role player with them. Ron put up 30/9/8 in his last full game on the clippers. Never had a game like that again. It isnt Pippen and Jordans fault. Earl Monroe was all nba first team on the Bullets and led them to the finals.....then hes on the Knicks as a role player doing 11ppg.

Not worse at basketball.

Playing different basketball.

And winning rings.

Tony Campbell was a 6ppg player on Showtime.....goes to Minnesota...puts up 23ppg. Did he learn to play basketball in 2 months? No....thats the difference between being on a champion and being the man on a team that doesnt matter. Mark Aguirre being a 25ppg player on the Mavs at 28 but a 15ppg player on the Pistons at 29 doesnt mean he forgot how to score. Neither did Adrian Dantley when he went from 30ppg 56% shooting all star to 20 a game never making the ASG again on the pistons. Nick Anderson was a 20ppg guy....but guess what? He doesnt get to be that playing with Shaq and Penny.

Antawn Jamison 25 and 22 a game on the warriors including back to back 50 point games. He doesnt do that playing for a real team in Dallas does he? You dont give the Lakers 51 when Dirk is on your team...because Dirk is the man and not you. You put up 14ppg...and you get into the playoffs for once.

Rashard Lewis is the man in Seattle...22ppg. Guess what? Hes not the man in Orlando. Dwight is the man. So he scores less and shoots worse from the field because a higher percentage of his shots are spotting up playing off the superior player. His primary value playing off a great interior player? Spacing the floor. Of course he shoots worse overall.....and has a better team for it.

Glen Rice doesnt get to have the offense run through him on the Lakers....so hes not scoring 22-27ppg anymore. Hes playing less minutes and in a 3rd guy role...Shaq and Kobe didnt "turn" him into anything. He adjusted to superior players who got to eat first. He stands back and spaces the floor like hes supposed to. And he wins a ring.

You dont go from being the man playing 39 minutes a game on a team that doesnt matter to being not just the other guy....but the OTHER other guy on a title team playing less minutes and not being the focal point and have the same production or do the same things.

How on earth is anyone still needed to be told these things in 2019?

If you dont want to give up getting the ball in your spots all the time and scoring 25ppg you stay on your shit team and be Devin Booker for 10 years....or you can:





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Kevin Love look like hed rather have the ending to his 2014 when he had 40, 43, and 19 the last 3....and lost all of them playing with Corey Brewer and Dieng?

These are grown ass men making business and personal decisions to win games at the expense of being a franchise player.

They bought their rings with a big down payment of irrelevant stats and a few installments of respect from fans who dont know anything about basketball.

Love is now in his late prime at 30 and a franchise player again on a max contract...already having had success plenty of legends dream of. Bosh has his medical issue but instead of playing his last 5 years getting steamrolled in Toronto he got to do the steam rolling and retire with the 120 million he got after getting ringed up.

Let us all "suffer" the same fate please.

I promise you....Anthony Davis WANTS to "suffer" that fate. He just spent 5 years putting up prime Hakeem numbers and demanded to leave at the cost of being the most hated man in his former city and leaving a supermax offer on the table AND giving back his 4 million dollar trade kicker trying to get his new team more talent.

That strike you as a guy likely to be upset if his numbers fall off while he wins?

Guy says keep your 250 million, **** these fans, **** this 28ppg....I demand to play with Lebron...and will give our team even more money to sign other good players....

And you think hes cares about his numbers and what you think of him more than winning?

This may be the most overt "I dont care about numbers while im losing" situation in the history of the NBA.

He just wants that game 7 lockerroom celebration. He probably watched Love and felt salty as hell. Hes out there dropping 40 and losing to the Hawks with Luke ****ing Babbit as his sidekick while love gets to score 12 points and make a great defensive stand vs Steph to win a ring because Lebron and Kyrie did the heavy lifting? And they both get paid the same? Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

That Love/Bosh role was probably looking real flavorful to a lot of people at that moment. And Davis unlike them is way younger than Lebron. The Lakers are his team either now or very soon.

Hes fine. Better than fine.

Hes in about as good a position as any young star likely can be. Good team....good money...good city....great franchise. This dude is in Space jam 2.

I think he can afford to give up 3 ISOs a night and still sleep well.....
:oldlol: :applause:




bosh and love have rings as some of the best players on their championship teams. Im sure they cry themselves to sleep at night.


bosh can only brag to his grandkids about a series winning rebound and love can only brag about a series deciding possession on steph to win the ring - these poor, poor guys :oldlol:

[Doranku]

OP in shambles :yaohappy:

I am thrilled to see that Bran has finally figured out how to effectively play with a skilled big man now that he is on my team. :applause:

[egokiller]

I am thrilled to see that Bran has finally figured out how to effectively play with a skilled big man now that he is on my team. :applause:

He has no choice. AD won't let him resort to his past antics, and 47% of laker fans based on polls don't want him there to begin with. He's literally walking on eggshells. Yikes! :oldlol:

[red1]

He has no choice. AD won't let him resort to his past antics, and 47% of laker fans based on polls don't want him there to begin with. He's literally walking on eggshells. Yikes! :oldlol:
mods can you do me a favor and confirm again that this bitch right here egokiller is the same poster as the guy who ran away - I think his username was straight_ballin?

[egokiller]

mods can you do me a favor and confirm again that this bitch right here egokiller is the same poster as the guy who ran away - I think his username was straight_ballin?

This shit again? No matter how many times they confirm it for you by telling you the IP's are different, it's not going to change to the outcome you want. :applause:

[red1]

This shit again? No matter how many times they confirm it for you by telling you the IP's are different, it's not going to change to the outcome you want. :applause:
stop lying. mods already confirmed it. :no:




besides its not like we need anyone to confirm that you're a bitch - that shit is self-evident.

[egokiller]

stop lying. mods already confirmed it. :no:




besides its not like we need anyone to confirm that you're a bitch - that shit is self-evident.

Yes, they confirmed it was 2 different IPs. But keep bitching about it, as that's what a bitch does.

[red1]

Yes, they confirmed it was 2 different IPs. But keep bitching about it, as that's what a bitch does.
nah dude.




they confirmed it and said "stop being a bitch, you should go back to your account." :roll: :roll:

[egokiller]

nah dude.




they confirmed it and said "stop being a bitch, you should go back to your account." :roll: :roll:

Nope, they told you to stop bitching about it and that 2 different IPs means they aren't the same person, and to quit asking them about it. :oldlol:

[red1]

Nope, they told you to stop bitching about it and that 2 different IPs means they aren't the same person, and to quit asking them about it. :oldlol:
nah man they said two accounts but one IP and one bitch.



straight_ballin aka egokiller = same bitch

[egokiller]

nah man they said two accounts but one IP and one bitch.



straight_ballin aka egokiller = same bitch

No, it was two mods that said it was two IP's belonging to 2 different posters. You're getting your numbers mixed up again. :no:

[red1]

No, it was two mods that said it was two IP's belonging to 2 different posters. You're getting your numbers mixed up again. :no:
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[warriorfan]

They both are from Cleveland area and they may have gone to the same school I can

[red1]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]They both are from Cleveland area and they may have gone to the same school I can