Will LeBron have the GOAT peak and longevity when all is said and done?

[Vino24]

He already has the peak

[Turbo Slayer]

Goat peak, no. But longevity, yes.

Why Lebron has the GOAT peak? Provide me with some evidence, Vino24.

:cheers:

[Vino24]

Goat peak, no. But longevity, yes.

Why Lebron has the GOAT peak? Provide me with some evidence, Vino24.

:cheers:
2012-2013 was his physical peak (playing all 5 positions plus insane defense) 2016 was his mental peak ( goat comeback chip)

[Turbo Slayer]

2012-2013 was his physical peak (playing all 5 positions plus insane defense) 2016 was his mental peak ( goat comeback chip) ahh u convinced me. Vino24, are you ready for 3ball's attacks? WE MUST BUILD THE WALL!!! :lol

DEFENSE! DEFENSE! DEFENSE!

[Vino24]

ahh u convinced me. Vino24, are you ready for 3ball's attacks? WE MUST BUILD THE WALL!!! :lol

DEFENSE! DEFENSE! DEFENSE!
Not a problem. 12/13 LeBron was easily the best perimeter player defensively of all time.

[Turbo Slayer]

Not a problem. 12/13 LeBron was easily the best perimeter player defensively of all time.

Averaged 6.7 defensive rebounds, 2.2 steals, and 1.8 blocks to go with it. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

How was your day Vino24?

Mines going pretty good.

[red1]

he's up there FOR SURE

[Turbo Slayer]

he's up there FOR SURE yep

[Vino24]

he's up there FOR SURE
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[Vino24]

Averaged 6.7 defensive rebounds, 2.2 steals, and 1.8 blocks to go with it. :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

How was your day Vino24?

Mines going pretty good.
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[Turbo Slayer]

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yep
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[Turbo Slayer]

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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Turbo Slayer]

My day is shitty. Rain pouring out. Bad day to go out playing casual basketball but im doing good.

WE STAY WINNING :yaohappy: :hammertime: :djparty........

[red1]

good lord 3 finals MVPs? 3? you mean tied for second most all-time with the likes of magic shaq and duncan?


pour it up boys time to celebrate we already won

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[Turbo Slayer]

good lord 3 finals MVPs? 3? you mean tied for second most all-time with the likes of magic shaq and duncan?


pour it up boys time to celebrate we already won

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Shannon is funny as heck. Everytime he wears that GOAT mask it makes me laugh. :lol

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[3ball]

2012-2013 was his physical peak



1991 vs. 2013 - PLAYOFFS

Jordan 91':. 31.1 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 8.4 apg.. 2.5 tov.. 2.4 spg.. 1.4 bpg
Lebron 13':. 25.9 ppg.. 8.4 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 3.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.8 bpg

Jordan 91':. 127 ortg.. 60.0 ts.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 ws/48.. 13.8 bpm
Lebron 13':. 118 ortg.. 58.5 ts.. 28.1 PER.. 0.260 ws/48.. 10.8 bpm


1991 vs 2013 - FINALS

Jordan 91':. 31.2 ppg.... 6.6 rpg.. 11.4 apg.. 2.8 spg.. 1.4 bpg.. 125 ortg.. 61.2 ts.. 29.4 GmSc
Lebron 13':. 25.3 ppg.. 10.9 rpg.... 7.0 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 113 ortg.. 52.9 ts.. 22.5 GmSc


Now even close .. :facepalm ... :oldlol:





2012-2013 was his physical peak


So at his physical peak (2013), he was a net negative in the championship

his team literally lost the Finals when he was on the floor - fortunately, various teammates' net positives offset Lebron's negative to allow victory





(playing all 5 positions plus insane defense) 2016 was his mental peak ( goat comeback chip)


Defense?

It's easy to beat up on an injured 6-footer that can't dunk - heck, Lebron had his sidekick destroy Curry

But where was the "insane defense" just 1 year later in 2017 against Durant?.. No all-time great ever let their man get 36 on 56%... Except Lebron... If Lebron holds him to 25 on 45%, the Cavs win easily.. But with Durant on automatic, the flood gates opened up for his teammates

[Turbo Slayer]

1991 vs. 2013 - PLAYOFFS

Jordan 91':. 31.1 ppg.. 6.4 rpg.. 8.4 apg.. 2.5 tov.. 2.4 spg.. 1.4 bpg
Lebron 13':. 25.9 ppg.. 8.4 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 3.0 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 0.8 bpg

Jordan 91':. 127 ortg.. 60.0 ts.. 32.0 PER.. 0.333 ws/48.. 13.8 bpm
Lebron 13':. 118 ortg.. 58.5 ts.. 28.1 PER.. 0.260 ws/48.. 10.8 bpm


1991 vs 2013 - FINALS

Jordan 91':. 31.2 ppg.... 6.6 rpg.. 11.4 apg.. 2.8 spg.. 1.4 bpg.. 125 ortg.. 61.2 ts.. 29.4 GmSc
Lebron 13':. 25.3 ppg.. 10.9 rpg.... 7.0 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 113 ortg.. 52.9 ts.. 22.5 GmSc


Now even close .. :facepalm ... :oldlol:



So at his physical peak (2013), he was a net negative in the championship

his team literally lost the Finals when he was on the floor - fortunately, various teammates' net positives offset Lebron's negative to allow victory



Defense?

It's easy to beat up on an injured 6-footer that can't dunk - heck, Lebron had his sidekick destroy Curry

But where was the "insane defense" just 1 year later in 2017 against Durant?.. No all-time great ever let their man get 36 on 56%... Except Lebron... If Lebron holds him to 25 on 45%, the Cavs win easily.. But with Durant on automatic, the flood gates opened up for his teammates
Lier. LeBron was facing the greatest superteam in NBA history so your 2017 talk is irrelevant. Steph, Klay, Green, and KD? Stacked. LeBron was the 1st player to avg a triple double in NBA Finals. 3ball twisting facts once again. Such a beta poster.

[3ball]

Lier. LeBron was facing the greatest superteam in NBA history so your 2017 talk is irrelevant. Steph, Klay, Green, and KD? Stacked. LeBron was the 1st player to avg a triple double in NBA Finals. 3ball twisting facts once again. Such a beta poster.

The stats and facts above speaks for themselves, summarized again below:


1) MJ's 1991 was a far greater peak then Lebron's 2013

2) Lebron was a net negative in the 13' Finals (his so-called "peak") - Heat lost with him on floor

3) Even without considering Draymond's suspension or Bogut's injury, the Cavs had better supporting talent in 2016 - this was proven by Lebron's 2nd option demolishing the Warriors' 1st option in a goat 2nd option performance (goat help)

4) Lebron is the only all-time great to ever give up 36 on 56% to his matchup - the worst defense ever - if he holds Durant to his regular season PPG (25 PPG), the Cavs win easily.

[And1AllDay]

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str8 up
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[And1AllDay]

2baLLLLLLLL never answers this but here i will try again

why does mj have 6 finals run wins to lebrons 3 but lebron has 2 years where he had a drtg under 101 and jordan has 0

jordan never led his team in def rtg

2ball dont run pls respond


finals run wins under 101 drtg

jordan 0 for 6
lebron 2 for 3

[LAmbruh]

str8 up
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[Turbo Slayer]

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[Elosha]

He already has the peak

:sleeping.

[3ball]

2baLLLLLLLL never answers this but here i will try again

why does mj have 6 finals run wins to lebrons 3 but lebron has 2 years where he had a drtg under 101 and jordan has 0

jordan never led his team in def rtg

2ball dont run pls respond


finals run wins under 101 drtg

jordan 0 for 6
lebron 2 for 3
Guards rarely lead in DRtg or DBPM because they're a measure of steals, blocks and defensive rebounds...

The defensive rebound aspect favors frontcourt players over guards... i.e. the defensive rebound aspect is why Bird has lower DRtg and DBPM than Pippen

The makers of DRtg and DBPM state that the defensive advanced stats only have a few inputs (stl, blk, dreb) and therefore don't capture the full defensive picture... therefore the defensive advanced stats shouldn't be used if the defender in question is a known bad defender or known good defender - reputation trumps the stat

[superduper]

LeGOAT's playoffs at 34yrs young:
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Jordan's playoffs at 34yrs young:
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GOAT peak and longevity? :yaohappy: :yaohappy:

[Ainosterhaspie]

LeBron as GOAT peak is arguable, but by no means definitive. KAJ has GOAT longevity. LeBron is getting close though. LeBron has best combo of extended high level peak/prime combined with longevity.

[coastalmarker99]

LeBron as GOAT peak is arguable, but by no means definitive. KAJ has GOAT longevity. LeBron is getting close though. LeBron has best combo of extended high level peak/prime combined with longevity.
How about wilt 1967 i have that as the goat peak of any player ever. he could do everything besides hit a free throw,

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron as GOAT peak is arguable, but by no means definitive. KAJ has GOAT longevity. LeBron is getting close though. LeBron has best combo of extended high level peak/prime combined with longevity.
His peak is definitely up there, but you'd have the likes of Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Wilt etc. who could all be argued as having a better one. Imo he's closer to having GOAT longevity than peak. Kareem was, amazingly, still First Team All-NBA caliber at 38-39, so LeBron's still got a few years to go to before he can claim that

[Ainosterhaspie]

How about wilt 1967 i have that as the goat peak of any player ever. he could do everything besides hit a free throw,
I'm not saying LeBron's peak is GOAT. He and several others have good arguments.

[LostCause]

His peak is definitely up there, but you'd have the likes of Jordan, Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Wilt etc. who could all be argued as having a better one. Imo he's closer to having GOAT longevity than peak. Kareem was, amazingly, still First Team All-NBA caliber at 38-39, so LeBron's still got a few years to go to before he can claim that

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[Spurs m8]

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only on ISH :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Turbo Slayer]

GOAT PEAK HAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHHAHHAHA

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only on ISH :roll: :roll: :roll:
Irrational hater. :rolleyes:

[guy]

His peak is up there but not GOAT. For me, he’s never had that feeling of being unbeatable when it mattered most i.e. the playoffs the way Jordan, Shaq, and Hakeem has had at times. In the regular season, sure, 2010 and 2013 come to mind, but he seemed to vulnerable in the playoffs.

As far as longevity goes, he might, but it’s not a foregone conclusion like everyone says. He’s more durable then Kobe, but there was a lot of similar talk about him leading up to when he tore his achilles, which was in his 17th season like Lebron will be heading into now. People tend to overestimate how long someone will play. He could be done very soon if he gets hurt, and he did get hurt last year. It’s not a foregone conclusion that he surpasses Kareem or Malone in this regard.

[Turbo Slayer]

[QUOTE=guy]His peak is up there but not GOAT. For me, he

[Bronbron23]

He already has the peak
It's close but LeBron is behind mj in both. Mj's peak stats were better and he won more. As far as longevity goes mj won at 34 where LeBron hasn't won past 31 and probably won't win again so longevity goes to mj also.

[CodeBreaker]

Curry has a higher peak than LBJ

[305Baller]

peak steroidivity

[Bronbron23]

Curry has a higher peak than LBJ
No he doesn't. He has the same amount of chips but less stats and accolades especially in the post season and more specifically the finals.

[Leviathon1121]

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[SouBeachTalents]

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1404723
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[Leviathon1121]

You post a link where they ranked LeBron's peak top 3 all time, like that's some kind of detriment :oldlol:
He’s behind Jordan, so I know it infuriates the LeBron stans, thought that much was obvious.

[TheMan]

GOAT peak, no way...players that I've seen that I would put over LBJ are MJ, Bird, Shaq and Hakeem. Can't really comment on peak KAJ and Wilt but stats say they have an argument over James too.

LBJ is still going strong going on his 17th season, not the player he once was but still going strong, we'll see in the coming years if he can challenge KAJ and Malone for longevity.

[Ainosterhaspie]

LeBron is currently tied with Kareem and Kobe for most All-NBA teams at 15. If he makes All-NBA this year is reasonable to argue he's got greatest longevity due to having the most years as a top 15 player.

If you want to eliminate second and third team awards, LeBron has the most first team All-NBA awards with 12. (Karl Malone 11, Kobe 11, Kareem 10, MJ 10) It is credible to claim that as things stand right now, no one has played at as high a level as LeBron for longer than LeBron.

[Rico2016]

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=64&t=1404723
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Kone was 23rd damn

[Stephonit]

LeBron is currently tied with Kareem and Kobe for most All-NBA teams at 15. If he makes All-NBA this year is reasonable to argue he's got greatest longevity due to having the most years as a top 15 player.

If you want to eliminate second and third team awards, LeBron has the most first team All-NBA awards with 12. (Karl Malone 11, Kobe 11, Kareem 10, MJ 10) It is credible to claim that as things stand right now, no one has played at as high a level as LeBron for longer than LeBron.

KAJ demanded double teams when he was 38. LBJ gets single coverage at his peak.

[Roundball_Rock]

Peak no but longevity arguably, with the caveat that he started out of high school. So it is entirely possibly LeBron will produce more superstar seasons than Kareem did--but also be much worse than Kareem was at 38 or 39. Still, it is a credit to LeBron. No other high school player produced immediately.


, LeBron has the most first team All-NBA awards with 12. (Karl Malone 11, Kobe 11, Kareem 10, MJ 10)

One difference is with C's there is only 1 first team slot and for F's and G's 2. There are less centers who play but the number of players competing for first team slots is about the same at each position.

[OldSchoolBBall]

No he does not already have the peak lol. Lebron can't see '89-'93 MJ or prime KAJ. He will likely have (maybe already has) the best longevity in terms of playing at an elite level for the longest. Though I feel that that is aided by the wide open, unphysical nature of the game today as well as the "supplements."

[ELITEpower23]

No he does not already have the peak lol. Lebron can't see '89-'93 MJ or prime KAJ. He will likely have (maybe already has) the best longevity in terms of playing at an elite level for the longest. Though I feel that that is aided by the wide open, unphysical nature of the game today as well as the "supplements."
LeBron 2009, 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2018

Pick a year. GOATpeak