Bernie Sanders: I Don't Think Billionaires Should Exist

[MaxFly]

To tackle "outrageous and grotesque and immoral" levels of inequality in the United States, Sen. Bernie Sanders on Tuesday proposed a new wealth tax on the richest Americans that economists say would slash the fortunes of billionaires in half over 15 years and raise an estimated $4.35 trillion in revenue during the first decade.

"I don't think that billionaires should exist," Sanders, a 2020 Democratic presidential candidate, told the New York Times in an interview. "This proposal does not eliminate billionaires, but it eliminates a lot of the wealth that billionaires have, and I think that's exactly what we should be doing."

Sanders's website outlines the framework of the tax plan:

1 percent tax on wealth from $32 to $50 million
2 percent on wealth from $50 to $250 million
3 percent on wealth from $250 to $500 million
4 percent on wealth from $500 to $1 billion
5 percent on wealth from $1 billion to $2.5 billion
6 percent on wealth from $2.5 billion to $5 billion
7 percent on wealth from $5 billion to $10 billion
8 percent on wealth over $10 billion.

:facepalm

[Real Men Wear Green]

He has no hope because he's going after the very thing that lets the people that rule the world rule the world. But a belief like that is consistent with the politics he's preached for his whole career. The one thing that can be said about Sanders over just about every politician that has gotten as far as he's gotten is that he's consistent with his beliefs.

[bladefd]

Those billionaires will ensure Bernie is targeted and taken out of the presidential race. I hope Bernie realizes that..

But this is also the one thing about democracy. If the majority of people will something, it will happen. It's 1 vote per person regardless of class or wealth. The wealthy must be shaking and they will go all out for Biden. If Warren or Bernie advance then those rich folks will push for Trump. They know they badly need Biden or Trump to be the president in 2020.

[Patrick Chewing]

There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:


If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.

How awful!

[Real Men Wear Green]

Those billionaires will ensure Bernie is targeted and taken out of the presidential race. I hope Bernie realizes that..

But this is also the one thing about democracy. If the majority of people will something, it will happen. It's 1 vote per person regardless of class or wealth. The wealthy must be shaking and they will go all out for Biden. If Warren or Bernie advance then those rich folks will push for Trump. They know they badly need Biden or Trump to be the president in 2020.
Not true. Vast majority of people have wanted gun reform for years and it hasn't happened. Most Americans are for higher taxes on the wealthy but it doesn't happen largely for the same reason Sanders' Billionaire purge won't happen. Bush and Trump have even been elected President while coming in second in total popular votes. This being a representative democracy it will always be a situation where you have to get people elected to achieve a legislatice goal. These people generally come from a party with a platform of beliefs that has to have rich people behind it to get the message out to enough people for a politician from the party to get elected. This money comes from rich people who are going to support the candidates and parties that let them keep their money,

[Kblaze8855]

I don’t remember who I was arguing with but somebody was talking about some billionaire not needing all his money and I just don’t understand how anyone thinks you can prevent the creator of a massive internationally successful company from being a billionaire. Do these people think all billionaires have the money in a vault like Scrooge McDuck? If you founded and own a large percentage of a well run a successful company what do they want? For the government to take equity in your company?

You couldn’t tax away wealth because wealth is not income.

Anyone want the government having majority control of amazon, google, apple and so on?

[FultzNationRISE]

Not true. Vast majority of people have wanted gun reform for years and it hasn't happened. Most Americans are for higher taxes on the wealthy but it doesn't happen largely for the same reason Sanders' Billionaire purge won't happen. Bush and Trump have even been elected President while coming in second in total popular votes. This being a representative democracy it will always be a situation where you have to get people elected to achieve a legislatice goal. These people generally come from a party with a platform of beliefs that has to have rich people behind it to get the message out to enough people for a politician from the party to get elected. This money comes from rich people who are going to support the candidates and parties that let them keep their money,


This is exactly why the Founding Fathers put so much power in the hands of the people, and intended so little to be in the hands of government.

Everything Bernie wants to achieve, his followers COULD achieve if they had drive and ambition and intelligence.

They could start their own insurance networks, and those who are able to pay more could voluntarily pay more. They can create their own communities where they all pitch in on bills and give more to those who need it. If you go to most cities these days, the white liberals are CRAMMED into expensive, gentrified hipster areas when they could be paying 1/3 the price if they're willing to live in poorer areas with people of color. But the Bernie Bros aren't willing to make any sacrifices, they're not willing to share, they're not willing to pull any weight. Even though they themselves are part of the global 1%, they selfishly believe it's is the .01% above them, who owe more to society. Who owe more to them. How about we make the rich pay 75% in taxes for all the starving kids in Ghana, while the American middle class pays 75% to be given to American homeless junkies. That kosher? Or should the global .01% owe money to the global 1%?

What percent of his income do you think bladefd gives to the homeless? I bet it isn't anything close to 40. I'll eat my hat if it's even 10.

Bernie Bros are society's weak, looking for a shortcut via the hard work of others. It's disguised in altruism and tolerance and virtue-signaling, but at the end of the day, they're selfish, self-interested humans playing a political game for their own gain. That's ALL they are, and they're not better than any other factions doing the same.

Ironically they're the only ones who can't see this.


It's a competitive world. No political platform can change that. No short cuts.

[RealSkipBayless]

There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:


If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.

How awful!
What about the illegals and lazy folks who want their fair share? :(

[bladefd]

There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:


If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.

How awful!

....and middle class is the smallest it has ever been. The richest folks have most of the wealth and they continue to get richer and richer year after year, while the poor/middle-class get poorer and poorer. How is that a good thing for 99% of the country?

[FultzNationRISE]

Former Bernie Sanders staffer files charge alleging retaliation for union activities

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/25/former-bernie-sanders-staffer-alleges-retaliation-for-union-activities.html

- An unnamed individual filed a charge with the National Labor Relations Board alleging that Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign violated labor laws by firing employees for union activities.

- The charge lists seven instances of unfair labor practices, including three accusations that Sanders’ campaign fired employees for joining or supporting a union.


Although Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential campaign just days ago settled a prolonged salary dispute with the union representing campaign staffers, its labor issues are not yet over.

An unnamed individual, who seems to be a former campaign staffer, filed a charge with the National Labor Relations Board Monday alleging that the campaign committed labor law violations, including terminating employees for union activities.

The redacted NLRB charge posted by Bloomberg Law lists seven instances of unfair labor practices, including three accusations that Sanders’ campaign fired employees for joining or supporting a union and one accusation that the campaign interrogated employees about union activities.

“Employer retaliated against me when I organized the bargaining unit,” the individual alleges in the complaint.

The charge also alleges that the campaign did not tell the individual when hired that the campaign had a collective bargaining agreement and required workers to work additional time.

Sanders’ campaign maintained his dedication to and support of union organizing.

“The campaign leadership, from Sen. Sanders on down, respects the rights of all of its employees to speak collectively and bargain about their terms and conditions of employment, and it supports the mission of the NLRB to enforce worker and union rights,” the campaign said in a statement. “That is exactly why the Bernie 2020 campaign voluntarily recognized the employees’ chosen union and engaged in good faith bargaining that resulted in an historic collective bargaining agreement.”

The campaign said it could not comment on the specific charges the individual filed to avoid interfering with the NLRB process, but maintained there was no wrongdoing by the campaign.

“We are committed to cooperating with the NLRB and we are confident that they will find the campaign honors all of its employees’ rights to both the letter and spirit of the law,” the campaign said. “Sen. Sanders and the campaign believe all workers should have a strong voice on the job and the right to due process, including the right to petition to the NLRB.”

NLRB investigators and attorneys must now evaluate the charge to determine if it has merit and issue a complaint.

Sanders has frequently expressed strong public support for unions, but this is not the campaign’s first labor dispute.

Just a day after this charge was filed, the campaign resolved a long-running dispute with its union, which was attempting to secure a salary increase for field organizers equivalent to at least a $15 an hour wage.


Sanders is a wannabe dictator, who believes that as long as he has all the answers, he's entitled to more than others. But everyone else should be equal!

He's seeking power via the same shtick and promises dictators have ALWAYS achieved power through. "I'm gonna give all the money to my supporters!"

It never actually works that way when someone gets into power though. Sanders is so obviously the kind of guy who would push to crown himself unremovable from office, and seek to 'eliminate' any political opposition to his "People's Party" via dubious means. :facepalm

But hey, tards have fallen for these gimmicks throughout human history. It's no wonder his voter base is overwhelmingly young people with no life experience, but who amazingly have all the answers.

[Patrick Chewing]

What about the illegals and lazy folks who want their fair share? :(


You eliminate them.

[Patrick Chewing]

....and middle class is the smallest it has ever been. The richest folks have most of the wealth and they continue to get richer and richer year after year, while the poor/middle-class get poorer and poorer. How is that a good thing for 99% of the country?


Taking money from the wealthiest and redistributing it isn't the answer. If you're poor and Middle Class and you want to make more money, then find alternative ways to earn more. What I said before holds true.

You can't just throw money at people and say, "Here! Invest wisely and save your money!"

You have to teach them and create the opportunities for them to earn more. And guess what? Job numbers are up!

[Hawker]

....and middle class is the smallest it has ever been. The richest folks have most of the wealth and they continue to get richer and richer year after year, while the poor/middle-class get poorer and poorer. How is that a good thing for 99% of the country?

People are actually getting richer - that's why the middle class is shrinking.

[MaxFly]

Those billionaires will ensure Bernie is targeted and taken out of the presidential race. I hope Bernie realizes that..

But this is also the one thing about democracy. If the majority of people will something, it will happen. It's 1 vote per person regardless of class or wealth. The wealthy must be shaking and they will go all out for Biden. If Warren or Bernie advance then those rich folks will push for Trump. They know they badly need Biden or Trump to be the president in 2020.

Most Billionaires' wealth is tied up in their investments and ownership stakes in companies. Their net worth fluctuates with the value of companies. Bezos for instance "lost" something like 2.5 Billion dollars today.

Is Bernie going to force Billionaires to sell their stakes in companies they own, founded, or invested in in order to pay his wealth taxes?

[bladefd]

Taking money from the wealthiest and redistributing it isn't the answer. If you're poor and Middle Class and you want to make more money, then find alternative ways to earn more. What I said before holds true.

You can't just throw money at people and say, "Here! Invest wisely and save your money!"

You have to teach them and create the opportunities for them to earn more. And guess what? Job numbers are up!

Wealth has already redistributed since the late-70s to a small slice of America and continues to redistribute even today to the richest folks at the top. Rich get richer, poor get poorer has held true on average going back decades. Few exceptions here and there, which is why I say 'on average'


People are actually getting richer - that's why the middle class is shrinking.

Average incomes have been pretty much stagnant going back to the 70s. Meanwhile most of the new wealth has gone to a tiny fraction of people, who were already rich..

[Kblaze8855]

How would anyone even intend to stop the rich from getting richer with the wealth of the people in question tied up in the value of things that increase with a good economy?

They are not for the most part getting richer off straight cash.....

[FultzNationRISE]

Wealth has already redistributed since the late-70s to a small slice of America and continues to redistribute even today to the richest folks at the top. Rich get richer, poor get poorer has held true on average going back decades. Few exceptions here and there, which is why I say 'on average'



Average incomes have been pretty much stagnant going back to the 70s. Meanwhile most of the new wealth has gone to a tiny fraction of people, who were already rich..


Thats because the economy changed and industrial jobs have been largely outsourced. The people who owned the businesses made a bunch of money from leveraging the increased financial efficiency.

American workers turned to engineering, medicine, software, content creation etc. Of course there are people at the bottom who are now more separated because they werent interested or qualified to go into those fields. Whose fault is it we added 50 million low skill immigrants while the economy was shifting?

Ironically Trump is the only politician left or right who tried to protect industrial workers and curtail immigration. If Bernie had done what Trump

[MaxFly]

Again, to those supporting this... what is the mechanism for forcing someone like Bill Gates to divest from the company he founded to pay a wealth tax?

[tpols]

USA got out of the great depression in the 1930s by implementing a bernie sanders esque progressive tax and wealth redistribution system.

it will happen again, as the reason we are in economic peril rn is direct fault of the present overbearing inequality and it is the only way to restore economic balance to the country.

[tpols]

There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:


If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.

How awful!



tio, relative wages for the average person have not gone up at all... they havent seen a slice of the GDP growth at... all. you dont get that?

[MaxFly]

USA got out of the great depression in the 1930s by implementing a bernie sanders esque progressive tax and wealth redistribution system.

it will happen again, as the reason we are in economic peril rn is direct fault of the present overbearing inequality and it is the only way to restore economic balance to the country.

It was an income tax... not a wealth tax. An income tax is exacted on profit. Wealth taxes are exacted on assets someone holds.

[MaxFly]

tio, relative wages for the average person have not gone up at all... they havent seen a slice of the GDP growth at... all. you dont get that?

He doesn't, no.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Feels like Bernie hangs out with a lot of Hollywood celebrities.

His "ideas" are things you'd hear from Tommy Chong.

[FultzNationRISE]

tio, relative wages for the average person have not gone up at all... they havent seen a slice of the GDP growth at... all. you dont get that?


Included in that average are poor ass indian reservations, areas where illegals work for 4 bucks under the table, the south side of chicago where brenda done had another baby with a guy on his way to prison.

Pretty sure if you remove people who arent invested in American life and culture, the averages will look pretty different. Tons of Americans have worked their way to stability and even prosperity without creating a billion dollar compny or being born with a silver spoon.

But that doesnt matter to you really, bc all you want is more free stuff without having to work or negotiate for it :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

It was an income tax... not a wealth tax. An income tax is exacted on profit. Wealth taxes are exacted on assets someone holds.


Thats fine.

let the government have a pinned minority stake in every large company and pool the money from there, use it for universal basic income and building public infrastructure up.

[tpols]

Included in that average are poor ass indian reservations, areas where illegals work for 4 bucks under the table, the south side of chicago where brenda done had another baby with a guy on his way to prison.

Pretty sure if you remove people who arent invested in American life and culture, the averages will look pretty different. Tons of Americans have worked their way to stability and even prosperity without creating a billion dollar compny or being born with a silver spoon.

But that doesnt matter to you really, bc all you want is more free stuff without having to work or negotiate for it :confusedshrug:



wages for corporate middle class america havent budged in decades relative to cost of living whilst the billionaire population has exploded.

still dumb bruh... you are.

[egokiller]

I

[CelticBaller]

Imagine living in a country where they penalize you for being successful and striving for more lol

[MaxFly]

Thats fine.

let the government have a pinned minority stake in every large company and pool the money from there, use it for universal basic income and building public infrastructure up.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q7DI/TObn1HnV2fI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/5JkvAtpbv7k/s1600/Not_sure_if_serious.jpg

[egokiller]

Imagine living in a country where they penalize you for being successful and striving for more lol

Sounds like a shit hole place. The idea is to strive to make what you feel
is the perfect balance. Too many successful people getting greedy and then they burn themselves out, underperform and make bad decisions and are then blacklisted. Career suicide at its finest.

[tpols]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ELFl2_1q7DI/TObn1HnV2fI/AAAAAAAAAaQ/5JkvAtpbv7k/s1600/Not_sure_if_serious.jpg


dead serious mate.

especially the monopoly types swimming in cash. shake em down, split em up (AT&T), and restore balance.

[MaxFly]

dead serious mate.

especially the monopoly types swimming in cash. shake em down, split em up (AT&T), and restore balance.

So at what point should you take Bill Gates company or Warren Buffet's company? Is Oprah safe, or does she need to build her personal wealth to 4 billion before she needs to give parts of her company to the US government?

[FultzNationRISE]

wages for corporate middle class america havent budged in decades relative to cost of living whilst the billionaire population has exploded.

still dumb bruh... you are.


Cost of living?

Bro living doesnt cost that much. You know how much the middle class spends on sneakers and headphones and netflix and sushi and starbucks and concerts and heineken and movies and....

Then complain they

[tpols]

So at what point should you take Bill Gates company or Warren Buffet's company? Is Oprah safe, or does she need to build her personal wealth to 4 billion before she needs to give parts of her company to the US government?


Set a minimum point at which they step in.

you're probably right though... theyd split it voluntarily to evade the threshold and have a buddy hold the "competitor" for a small cut.

Thats the problem with these billionaire types they always have the hustle to game the system. And our politicians have zero hustle just open hands.

i guess we ****ed, every man for himself.

[Draz]

He's ****ed

[FultzNationRISE]

Set a minimum point at which they step in.

you're probably right though... theyd split it voluntarily to evade the threshold and have a buddy hold the "competitor" for a small cut.

Thats the problem with these billionaire types they always have the hustle to game the system. And our politicians have zero hustle just open hands.

i guess we ****ed, every man for himself.


You can work with people for mutual gain. The whole point tho is VOLUNTARY association.

I dont think you should give Bernie the authority to tell me what to do, so what right do I have to give a politician authority over what Bezos can do?

What if Bernie decided tpols has to pay 80% of his savings to native americans

[MaxFly]

Set a minimum point at which they step in.

you're probably right though... theyd split it voluntarily to evade the threshold and have a buddy hold the "competitor" for a small cut.

Thats the problem with these billionaire types they always have the hustle to game the system. And our politicians have zero hustle just open hands.

i guess we ****ed, every man for himself.

So at what minimum point you think the US government should start forcing Oprah to start giving parts of her company and investments to the government?

Is this plan limited to US billionaires, or are we taking parts of businesses owned by foreigners as well?

[Kblaze8855]

Thats fine.

let the government have a pinned minority stake in every large company and pool the money from there, use it for universal basic income and building public infrastructure up.


Think this through....

When the government seizes 20% of Amazon how does it flip it for the cash to fund your universal income and all?

They have to sell the shares.

Do you think it’s poor people buying them?

Huge chunks like that? It would end up in private hands anyway and it won’t be some up the street day trader getting it. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bezos could buy much of what he loses back. Shares don’t go into the cloud. People can buy the specific portions you sell on that level....

The government seizing billions of dollars of stock that they would have to sell would absolutely throw the economy into chaos. You would have companies shares going through the floor....you would reduce the value of the very asset you seize. And companies wouldn’t stand by and take it.

Companies of this magnitude could strike back pretty easily. How long could you maintain the White House and congressional super majority you’ll have to have before you could even implement such a radical plan once tens of thousands of people start getting laid off in swing states and youre blamed for it because you tank the stock prices of the top companies in the country?

You take a chunk of amazon and Walmart these tycoons would create the best funded primary challengers in American history. When Amazon calls off the billion dollar major job creating second headquarters in Virginia and Bezos backdoor funds a primary challenger who will be able to afford 8 commercials per show for a year explaining how you ****ed up your district voting to take their jobs....

Aren’t you out of congress?

A plan like yours would tank the economy and last till the midterms at best and that’s if you could take enough of Congress and state houses to protect you from a constitutional challenge for attempting to expand federal asset seizures to this extent. Barring a clear change to the constitution requiring 66% of congress and 38 states the Supreme Court would stop you.......

This plan is realistically impossible and seriously trying would just give the republicans unchecked control of all 3 branches of government.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]The government seizing billions of dollars of stock that they would have to sell would absolutely throw the economy into chaos. You would have companies shares going through the floor....you would reduce the value of the very asset you seize. And companies wouldn

[Kblaze8855]

Can you imagine the damage Amazon, Apple, UPS, Walmart, Target, Gm, Home Depot, IBM, Ge and so on could do when you tried this shit? All these previous rivals would send the big guns to a meeting in some secret location and figure out how to **** this country into the dirt out of pure spite.

The swing state targeted job losses would be epic. The loss of services when they cutback. The rising prices....

What happens when the government takes a chunk of the oil companies? The auto industry? Airlines, transportation, and drug companies? You would ruin the lives of the people on the bottom....

The power of these borderline trillion dollar companies to strike back is hard to oversell. And you couldn’t take enough to hurt the tycoons. You think Jeff Bezos or anyone in the Walton family changes their standard of living even if you took half of their worth? They only liquidate tiny fractions at a time to maintain their lifestyles. Bezos isn’t hurting if he’s only worth 60 billion. The passive income of nothing but their side investments must be monstrous. Imagine what Bezos gets back if he decided to put 10% of his worth into the best private mutual funds....

You wouldn’t hurt the elites. You hurt their net worth they aren’t spending anyway while they hurt the middle class and poor you are trying to help....

Your universal income wouldn’t even be implemented before 300 primary challenges with unheard of funding got all the people responsible kicked out of Congress.

[tpols]

After reading Kblazes post i agree he is correct.

The private sector kings have far too much power to tilt the system completely out of whack temporarily to get the government to fold their hand. Theyre at a poker table with all the chips.

And I was just reading more about how we got out of the great depression in the '30s when shit became similarly tilted with all the barons of those days being even richer than bezos types of today. And the main answer was war. ww2

Killing people seems to be the worlds oldest profession.

[FultzNationRISE]

After reading Kblazes post i agree he is correct.

The private sector kings have far too much power to tilt the system completely out of whack temporarily to get the government to fold their hand. Theyre at a poker table with all the chips.

And I was just reading more about how we got out of the great depression in the '30s when shit became similarly tilted with all the barons of those days being even richer than bezos types of today. And the main answer was war.

Killing people seems to be the worlds oldest profession.


I asked you a question, boy.

Are you FAMILIAR with Blades of Freedom?

[Smoke117]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I don

[egokiller]

My little cousin works at a Panini's and he has a coworker that makes $9.50 an hour.

She gets a 1300 a month rent voucher from section 8
1200 a month in food stamps
Significantly discounted utilities
Child support from 3 baby daddy's
She made $75k in 2018 and she only worked 25 hours a week.

Why? Because if she worked more she would only qualify for $60k a year in gov assistance.

The best part? When she filed taxes on her $12,350 real income she got $8k back in cash in taxes. Said none of the tax return went to the kids.

He called bullshit until she showed him all the paper work. The math checked out.

[MaxFly]

After reading Kblazes post i agree he is correct.

The private sector kings have far too much power to tilt the system completely out of whack temporarily to get the government to fold their hand. Theyre at a poker table with all the chips.


Would you agree that the system could be adversely affected even if billionaires did not actively seek to make it so?

[Kblaze8855]

My little cousin works at a Panini's and he has a coworker that makes $9.50 an hour.

She gets a 1300 a month rent voucher from section 8
1200 a month in food stamps
Significantly discounted utilities
Child support from 3 baby daddy's
She made $75k in 2018 and she only worked 25 hours a week.

Why? Because if she worked more she would only qualify for $60k a year in gov assistance.

The best part? When she filed taxes on her $12,350 real income she got $8k back in cash in taxes. Said none of the tax return went to the kids.

He called bullshit until she showed him all the paper work. The math checked out.

How many kids and in what state? The biggest section 8 voucher I personally know about was just under 1000 and the girl had five or six kids.

[Nanners]

As usual, the ISH brain trust brings up some excellent arguments for why taxing the wealthy would never work. I think my favorite are the limp-dick soyboys who acknowledge that our grotesque wealth inequality is a problem, but are afraid to do anything about it because wealthy people are too powerful. These ladies are a predators favorite type of victim, the kind who just obediently lies and takes it there rather than putting up any kind of a fight.

No doubt the kleptocrat elites that own this planet must sleep soundly knowing that plebs of both the red and blue teams want to defend their right to be abused and exploited.

[Duderonomy]

The posters here defending billionaires never met any of them.
I knew one multi-millonaire trust fund kid who was the fastest, laziest sob I ever met. Believe me giving up petitions and health care coverage to help make these people have more money isn't worth it.

[FultzNationRISE]

My little cousin works at a Panini's and he has a coworker that makes $9.50 an hour.

She gets a 1300 a month rent voucher from section 8
1200 a month in food stamps
Significantly discounted utilities
Child support from 3 baby daddy's
She made $75k in 2018 and she only worked 25 hours a week.

Why? Because if she worked more she would only qualify for $60k a year in gov assistance.

The best part? When she filed taxes on her $12,350 real income she got $8k back in cash in taxes. Said none of the tax return went to the kids.

He called bullshit until she showed him all the paper work. The math checked out.


That

[FultzNationRISE]

The posters here defending billionaires never met any of them.
I knew one multi-millonaire trust fund kid who was the fastest, laziest sob I ever met. Believe me giving up petitions and health care coverage to help make these people have more money isn't worth it.

Full tard argument.

“I met a billionaire once and he was fat, we NEED economic reform!”

:roll:

Having factions constantly battling over who is required to support whom is a perpetual cycle of gridlock and animosity.

You are part of the GLOBAL 1%. If Sanders started preaching how YOU should pay 75% of what you have to heroin junkies sleeping under the overpass, or starving kids in Botswana, you would be a GREEDY 1%er insisting you dont owe them anything.

But it’s okay for YOU to receive. You dont wanna give. But youll pull out every emotional ploy and appeal to make sure YOU receive.

Some people simply believe in equal rules, not equal-result-mandates. People with merit are more inclined to believe in equal rules, and freedom of result. People with less merit need result guarantees.

Which side are YOU on? :crazysam:

[tpols]

My little cousin works at a Panini's and he has a coworker that makes $9.50 an hour.

She gets a 1300 a month rent voucher from section 8
1200 a month in food stamps
Significantly discounted utilities
Child support from 3 baby daddy's
She made $75k in 2018 and she only worked 25 hours a week.

Why? Because if she worked more she would only qualify for $60k a year in gov assistance.

The best part? When she filed taxes on her $12,350 real income she got $8k back in cash in taxes. Said none of the tax return went to the kids.

He called bullshit until she showed him all the paper work. The math checked out.



true moocher.

one of the biggest problems in the socialist state would be people at the bottom gaming the system ..just as bad as those at the top because theres more of them, using kids as a primary extravagant income. Eliminate that and you stop poor people from mass producing more poverty, and have extra revenue to spend on productivity.

[Prometheus]

There are more billionaires than ever before signaling economic growth and prosperity throughout the years, and this is somehow a bad thing?? :oldlol:


If there are more billionaires, then there are more millionaires. If there are more millionaires, then there are more people making six figures and so on and so on.

How awful!

:facepalm

You're a really stupid person.

[tpols]

:facepalm

You're a really stupid person.



that may have been the poorest trickle down meme ive ever seen. :yaohappy:

[FultzNationRISE]

true moocher.

one of the biggest problems in the socialist state would be people at the bottom gaming the system ..just as bad as those at the top because theres more of them, using kids as a primary extravagant income. Eliminate that and you stop poor people from mass producing more poverty, and have extra revenue to spend on productivity.


One thing I give you credit for unlike other naive socialists is you eventually realized any kind of more workable system of social cooperation would require tighter rules on who can take part. Most leftists are afraid to acknowledge the whole world cant just ride free on the US dime, for fear of being called bigots.

I remember you crying about “Racist Trump” after the election. But it seems you eventually realized you simply cant have it both ways and at least admitted theres a practical reality involved in even attempting this pie in the sky shit.

[iamgine]

Bernie should go from the angle of 'billionaires wield too much power', not this 'inequality is evil' nonsense. At least that one is somewhat based in reality. I seem to remember George Soros causing massive crisis.

[tpols]

One thing I give you credit for unlike other naive socialists is you eventually realized any kind of more workable system of social cooperation would require tighter rules on who can take part. Most leftists are afraid to acknowledge the whole world cant just ride free on the US dime, for fear of being called bigots.

I remember you crying about “Racist Trump” after the election. But it seems you eventually realized you simply cant have it both ways and at least admitted theres a practical reality involved in even attempting this pie in the sky shit.


Im a big Trump fan now.

A lot of the stuff he says is simple common sense... but because hes being battered so hard he ends up lashing out in a derogatory manner.

Im MAGA fam now bro.

[Patrick Chewing]

tio, relative wages for the average person have not gone up at all... they havent seen a slice of the GDP growth at... all. you dont get that?


Do you have evidence that supports that people are making the same wages as 20 years ago? 10 years ago?

[FultzNationRISE]

Im a big Trump fan now.

A lot of the stuff he says is simple common sense... but because hes being battered so hard he ends up lashing out in a derogatory manner.

Im MAGA fam now bro.


The dude is arrogant and politically incorrect but he actually wants to make the country better. Even if much of his reason for doing so is because he wants the credit... who cares??

Every other Prez in the modern era is simply a puppet for the establishment. Phony campaign rhetoric and business-as-usual policies. Trump’s done far more than any recent Prez, and if special interests puppets in Congress werent holding him back hed have done more.

I can understand why people would have been leery of him at first. By now, tho, it’s clear why each person stands where they do on him. Its one thing Ill give nanners credit for as well, even tho I think his views are stupid. He doesnt just mindlessly bash Trump on every single thing like these other dogmatic partisan bloodhounds. You can tell these people only decide on whether to support a position or not based solely on opposing Trump.

It’s startling how many of these zombies there are in America. Weve always known it, but Trump’s presidency has brought to light how truly rabidly hateful, narrow minded, spiteful and selfish so much of the Democratic base is.

The right wing are now the new liberals. The left are the belligerent fascist zombies.

[CelticBaller]

Thats fine.

let the government have a pinned minority stake in every large company and pool the money from there, use it for universal basic income and building public infrastructure up.
This dude legit wants the government to own a stake of companies :roll:

[Hawker]

Y’all need to read my finance advice thread.

Billionaires will be fine - I think eventually the target will be the $100k - $500k salary earners who don’t make campaign donations and are a small size of the population where votes won’t be lost if they are penalized (taxes increased). These are the people that just work hard, make safe investments and want the best for their children.

Which is what the American virtue is. To many, they would be considered rich but they are well less than a lifetime away from being poor. And they don’t much (if st all) from passive income. They are still working.

[Patrick Chewing]

:facepalm

You're a really stupid person.


So there are less?? You

[MaxFly]

As usual, the ISH brain trust brings up some excellent arguments for why taxing the wealthy would never work. I think my favorite are the limp-dick soyboys who acknowledge that our grotesque wealth inequality is a problem, but are afraid to do anything about it because wealthy people are too powerful. These ladies are a predators favorite type of victim, the kind who just obediently lies and takes it there rather than putting up any kind of a fight.

No doubt the kleptocrat elites that own this planet must sleep soundly knowing that plebs of both the red and blue teams want to defend their right to be abused and exploited.

It's not about being afraid to do anything. Rather, it's not wanting to do anything stupid; and make no mistake, his statement is stupid, the sentiment is stupid, and the plan, as presently constructed, is dangerous and would adversely affect the economy. Anyone with a moderately rudimentary understanding of the economy and the investment markets should be able to recognize that. Unfortunately, people are wont to jump to the more extreme and impractical solutions because they can't be bothered to think with their head instead of their emotions.

This plan is self defeating and fortunately will never be instituted. It leaves room for more practical solutions for creating a more progressive tax structure than we currently have without demonizing the wealthy and completely making the United States an undesirable place to do business.

[GimmeThat]

the mathematics in his head is too small minded

per wiki, the universe came along to be in existence roughly 13.8 billion years ago. not sure if I would consider it to be out of the ordinary if humanity's leader is in charge in the excess of a "billion" in power.

Bernie's real agenda seems to be anyone qualified or fitting to the terminology "retirement" should not be allowed to accumulate any additional shares of humanity

[bladefd]

It was an income tax... not a wealth tax. An income tax is exacted on profit. Wealth taxes are exacted on assets someone holds.

Wealth tax is certainly difficult to invoke. For stocks, it would be very difficult to find a cutting point of when to tax. How do you even value certain things like paintings, car, houses to tax? And would it be a one time tax? Painting might appreciate or depreciate in value each year. I don't know how you would even work that out.

You are better off with a progressive income tax, consumption tax and maybe a tiny tax of 0.1% speculation tax. That's not much for a speculative tax but it adds up to a good sum considering the trillions in wall street assets moving around each year. It would pay for universal health care and could eliminate most of the deficit if used in conjunction with something like slicing the military budget in half.

[MaxFly]

Wealth tax is certainly difficult to invoke. For stocks, it would be very difficult to find a cutting point of when to tax. How do you even value certain things like paintings, car, houses to tax? And would it be a one time tax? Painting might appreciate or depreciate in value each year. I don't know how you would even work that out.

You are better off with a progressive income tax, consumption tax and maybe a tiny tax of 0.1% speculation tax. That's not much for a speculative tax but it adds up to a good sum considering the trillions in wall street assets moving around each year. It would pay for universal health care and could eliminate most of the deficit if used in conjunction with something like slicing the military budget in half.

This... though I'd advocate for a consumption tax that focuses on luxury goods and services as to not hurt the middle class.

:cheers:

[ILLsmak]

In theory, I agree. haha. But there's no way to implement it. It would be nice if their wealth was properly used, like people talk about corps and such, well once you get over a certain amount you should have to invest only in growth. Personal wealth of a billion is a damn travesty and some people do have that kind of money.

I'm not jealous. I don't want to be one. I don't want to see them suffer nor do I feel inferior to them, but yes, people stockpiling money on that level, into personal assets, is garbage. People talk about the economy and jobs and such, like so and so built a 19 million dollar house and they are paying taxes plus they paid all of the people who built it, etc... OK, but they could have also put that money into something that has more value for society.

So, Bernie, I'm with you on this one... but it's kind of like climate change, even if we get rid of our billionaires, there are still a bunch of people with ridic money in the world. And the solution is not "give the government more money." The government doesn't seem to want to actually intake more money, they just want more money so they can spend more money. That's ****ed up.



Edit:

[QUOTE=Hawker]Y

[MaxFly]

In theory, I agree. haha. But there's no way to implement it. It would be nice if their wealth was properly used, like people talk about corps and such, well once you get over a certain amount you should have to invest only in growth. Personal wealth of a billion is a damn travesty and some people do have that kind of money.

I'm not jealous. I don't want to be one. I don't want to see them suffer nor do I feel inferior to them, but yes, people stockpiling money on that level, into personal assets, is garbage.

Most of these people aren't stockpiling money. The assets that contribute to their wealth consist mostly of shares in a business or corporation. Are you advocating that once their business reaches a certain level of success, leading to their ownership stake in the business being valued at a certain amount in the millions or billions, they be forced by the government to sell many of their shares and divest from the business in order to pay a tax on their hitherto unrealized wealth... every year? That's what Bernie Sanders is calling for... and it's absolutely insane.

I cannot stress what a deleterious effect this plan would have on the stock price of certain companies and the market as a whole. You're forcing people to give up equity in the companies many of them started, artificially decreasing their influence in their own companies and making them ripe for hostile takeovers or for control to be seized by other groups of investors. As they sell millions or billions worth of stock every year, the value of that stock will drop. These sound like first world problems, but it will not be good for our economy as 401ks, IRAs and other managed funds take hits.

[Kblaze8855]

As usual, the ISH brain trust brings up some excellent arguments for why taxing the wealthy would never work. I think my favorite are the limp-dick soyboys who acknowledge that our grotesque wealth inequality is a problem, but are afraid to do anything about it because wealthy people are too powerful. These ladies are a predators favorite type of victim, the kind who just obediently lies and takes it there rather than putting up any kind of a fight.

No doubt the kleptocrat elites that own this planet must sleep soundly knowing that plebs of both the red and blue teams want to defend their right to be abused and exploited.





It's not about being afraid to do anything. Rather, it's not wanting to do anything stupid; and make no mistake, his statement is stupid, the sentiment is stupid, and the plan, as presently constructed, is dangerous and would adversely affect the economy. Anyone with a moderately rudimentary understanding of the economy and the investment markets should be able to recognize that. Unfortunately, people are wont to jump to the more extreme and impractical solutions because they can't be bothered to think with their head instead of their emotions.

This plan is self defeating and fortunately will never be instituted. It leaves room for more practical solutions for creating a more progressive tax structure than we currently have without demonizing the wealthy and completely making the United States an undesirable place to do business.


Yea....


Whats the solution that doesnt require an unrealistic 2/3rd of government to comply and not be defeated in a primary challenge 2 years later to undo it? Serious question. No insult to anyone. Im legit asking.

When the billionaires can wreck the economy and get you voted out of office whats the lasting solution? What kind of "fight" doesnt require elected officials to implement....and for them to keep their seats to continue?

And beyond that....whats to stop the supreme court from stopping some of these measures without a constitution change? Im not sure you could take federal asset seizure this far without 4th, 6th, and 8th amendment issues(8th assuming you did it after a criminal conviction of some sort and tried to call the company assets ill gained to make seizure laws apply). A judge wouldnt even need to be creative to call a seizure of big chunks of companies unconstitutional. The supreme court wouldnt even let Truman seize the steel mills to ensure continued production during a wartime strike. And he appointed 4 of the justices....and the other 5 were FDR appointees. People he appointed....didnt let him do it. In a time of war....to protect our soldiers.

You think a right leaning court with a right leaning chief lets the government seize companies to redistribute their wealth for no reason but being too successful...in peace time?

Its irrational to ask these questions which would have to be dealt with in the real world?

[CelticBaller]

Wealth tax is certainly difficult to invoke. For stocks, it would be very difficult to find a cutting point of when to tax. How do you even value certain things like paintings, car, houses to tax? And would it be a one time tax? Painting might appreciate or depreciate in value each year. I don't know how you would even work that out.

You are better off with a progressive income tax, consumption tax and maybe a tiny tax of 0.1% speculation tax. That's not much for a speculative tax but it adds up to a good sum considering the trillions in wall street assets moving around each year. It would pay for universal health care and could eliminate most of the deficit if used in conjunction with something like slicing the military budget in half.
Speculation tax is the best idea Bernie has thrown out there tbh

[Norcaliblunt]

A 1% Wall Street sales tax on speculation is what should be #1 on Bernie

[bladefd]

This... though I'd advocate for a consumption tax that focuses on luxury goods and services as to not hurt the middle class.

:cheers:

I am surprised there is no consumption tax or speculation tax.. We should be doing everything to eliminate the deficit because the pace we are building up our debt is unsustainable.

[bladefd]

A 1% Wall Street sales tax on speculation is what should be #1 on Bernie’s policy list. While working families pay sales, income and property taxes, Wall Street speculators pay no tax on their share of an estimated annual turnover of over $5 quadrillion in stocks, bonds and derivatives. A 1% tax on these sales, equally divided between the federal and state governments, would bring hundreds of billions annually into public treasuries and largely solve budget deficits at all levels of government.

You don't even need to do 1%. One tenths of a percent would be enough if my math is right. I wouldn't go too crazy but it would certainly end our deficit. We should return the income taxes to Obama era. Add a 1% consumption tax on luxurious goods like max said. I would also slice our military spending in half from the current $750 billion. Changes like these would bring us into surplus while integrating universal health care at the same time and still having the most dominant military on Earth. We need to pay off some of our debts with the surplus we gain.

We don't need free colleges for all or paying off all college debts as a blanket statement. Just limit the money we throw around unnecessarily.

[sammichoffate]

I am surprised there is no consumption tax or speculation tax.. We should be doing everything to eliminate the deficit because the pace we are building up our debt is unsustainable.There never will be as long as those ****s in office like Booker keep sucking off Wall Street donor money.

[CelticBaller]

You don't even need to do 1%. One tenths of a percent would be enough if my math is right. I wouldn't go too crazy but it would certainly end our deficit. We should return the income taxes to Obama era. Add a 1% consumption tax on luxurious goods like max said. I would also slice our military spending in half from the current $750 billion. Changes like these would bring us into surplus while integrating universal health care at the same time and still having the most dominant military on Earth. We need to pay off some of our debts with the surplus we gain.

We don't need free colleges for all or paying off all college debts as a blanket statement. Just limit the money we throw around unnecessarily.
Cut the military budget in half would be a mistake. Some of our technological advances come from the military.


I think Trump has our budget at 60%? I would have it at 50%

[MaxFly]

I am surprised there is no consumption tax or speculation tax.. We should be doing everything to eliminate the deficit because the pace we are building up our debt is unsustainable.

SMH... I'm not... on the other end of the spectrum, there are some people who believe there should be no tax on capital gains. The extremes are ridiculous and we can't seem to find a reasonable middle ground because people are so caught up in their feelings and pockets that they can't step back to properly gauge what would be best for the nation and our economy.

[Norcaliblunt]

Honest question for the Biden crowd. You actually think this rhetoric by Bernie is more insane than Biden

[Norcaliblunt]

I am surprised there is no consumption tax or speculation tax.. We should be doing everything to eliminate the deficit because the pace we are building up our debt is unsustainable.

You

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]Honest question for the Biden crowd. You actually think this rhetoric by Bernie is more insane than Biden

[MaxFly]

You’re surprised? Lmao. You are the “enlightened progressive” bitch ass who doesn’t even wanna fight for 1% and right away wants to settle at .1%. This shits a joke.

And this is why you guys can't get anything done. Bladefd is talking about governing... what can pass the House and Senate, and what can be reasonably implemented quickly and without creating to much of a shock to the system as a starting point. The rest of you are deep in your feelings and stuck on playing politics. Everything's a purity test... which is why Bernie Sanders has accomplished next to nothing in his almost 30 years in Congress.

Elizabeth Warren on the other hand, for all of her improbable plans, has actually done some meaningful things in and for government. Go figure...

[Kblaze8855]

And this is why you guys can't get anything done. Bladefd is talking about governing... what can pass the House and Senate, and what can be reasonably implemented quickly and without creating to much of a shock to the system as a starting point. The rest of you are deep in your feelings and stuck on playing politics.


I dont think they realize that championing the politically impossible does no good....

If it CANT be achieved in the real world that needs votes from congress, a president on board, and a friendly court....whats the point of pushing for it?

As long as congress has to be reelected now and then they arent gonna make the changes in question so whats the point of making it the goal?

Just be realistic. The ideal world shit is simply not realistic. The way to major change....is minor changes becoming the status quo....then pushing a little more towards the goal. You shoot for the moon youre just an extremist nobody votes with. You have to ease people into things. Let them see your way isnt the end of the world.

This isnt the work of one term....or 3. Its generational to get major lasting reform done.

[MaxFly]

I dont think they realize that championing the politically impossible does no good....

If it CANT be achieved in the real world that needs votes from congress, a president on board, and a friendly court....whats the point of pushing for it?

As long as congress has to be reelected now and then they arent gonna make the changes in question so whats the point of making it the goal?

Just be realistic. The ideal world shit is simply not realistic. The way to major change....is minor changes becoming the status quo....then pushing a little more towards the goal. You shoot for the moon youre just an extremist nobody votes with. You have to ease people into things. Let them see your way isnt the end of the world.

This isnt the work of one term....or 3. Its generational to get major lasting reform done.

There are a lot of idealists and political neophytes who are caught up in their feelings and care little about actual governance. They would benefit considerably from watching a few seasons of The West Wing.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]You

[Nanners]

There are a lot of idealists and political neophytes who are caught up in their feelings and care little about actual governance. They would benefit considerably from watching a few seasons of The West Wing.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No wonder you sound like a guy who learned everything he knows about politics from watching a shitty Aaron Sorkin show...

[SomeBlackDude]

And this is why you guys can't get anything done. Bladefd is talking about governing... what can pass the House and Senate, and what can be reasonably implemented quickly and without creating to much of a shock to the system as a starting point. The rest of you are deep in your feelings and stuck on playing politics. Everything's a purity test... which is why Bernie Sanders has accomplished next to nothing in his almost 30 years in Congress.


my man berns couldn't even get his signature legislation passed in his own state (http://www.cornellpolicyreview.com/rise-fall-vermonts-single-payer-plan/).

how the hell is he gonna convince west virginia or alabama to go along with him? :lol

people here don't seem to have the slightest clue how government works. they think presidents are wizards who just wave magic wands and make their agenda happen with a simple wave.

bern has been pushing the same agenda since the time of nero, and he's been in gov for his entire adult life (including in an executive position as mayor)... how much of his agenda has he brought to fruition? we know his single payer push in his own state collapsed not too long ago.

any examples in his 6 centuries of government life of single payer, free college, etc being actually passed via his efforts?

:confusedshrug:

[tpols]

my man berns couldn't even get his signature legislation passed in his own state (http://www.cornellpolicyreview.com/rise-fall-vermonts-single-payer-plan/).

how the hell is he gonna convince west virginia or alabama to go along with him? :lol

people here don't seem to have the slightest clue how government works. they think presidents are wizards who just wave magic wands and make their agenda happen with a simple wave.

bern has been pushing the same agenda since the time of nero, and he's been in gov for his entire adult life (including in an executive position as mayor)... how much of his agenda has he brought to fruition? we know his single payer push in his own state collapsed not too long ago.

any examples in his 6 centuries of government life of single payer, free college, etc being actually passed via his efforts?

:confusedshrug:


homie aint that old man...

[SomeBlackDude]

homie aint that old man...

https://trendispendi.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/il_570xN.1233098074_rd2a-555x664.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/Y9d9JjX1/4VI1hK2.jpg

https://thefederalistpapers.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/sanders-800-x-419.jpg

:confusedshrug:

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=bladefd].1% would generate like $500bn annually.. Around what Obama

[MaxFly]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No wonder you sound like a guy who learned everything he knows about politics from watching a shitty Aaron Sorkin show...

You know what... God bless you, man. We could go back and forth trading insults on the internet, but that level of immaturity is unnecessary... especially as the nation faces some unprecedented challenges.

[Nanners]

You know what... God bless you, man. We could go back and forth trading insults on the internet, but that level of immaturity is unnecessary... especially as the nation faces some unprecedented challenges.


Since you dodged my post in the other thread....



Bernie Sanders has done next to nothing in his nearly 30 years in the House and Senate. His latest plan seeks to put the government in charge of separating people from the businesses they have founded and own. It's why all of his supporters are dancing around his "Billionaires shouldn't exist" foolishness. I have little love for idealists and purists who have no real sense of governing and no plan to properly implement their ideas. It's a waste of time and discussion. If Bernie Sanders wins the Presidency, what is his plan for passing his ideas? The Republican governor of his state will pick his replacement and Dems will likely not have the Senate... and they certainly won't have enough electeds to squash a filibuster.

Also, he can't really pay for any of his plans. He's double and triple taxing the same money to pay for things and the math doesn't add up. For instance, he has a large tax on cap gains for the rich, even as they sell the shares in the companies they own to pay their wealth taxes. I've been steeped in politics long enough to know a charlatan when I see one.

Riddle me this Maxfly - If you look at Warrens website right now, she claims to support a wealth tax, college debt amnesty, "health care as a human right", and all sorts of other expensive and supposedly unfeasable policies... she has basically copy-pasted her entire campaign platform from Bernie.

How does someone who is so vehemently opposed to Bernies policies justify their support for a candidate who claims to support all of the same policies? Is it because you know that Warren is a lying establishment toolbag who has no interest or intention in actually following through on any of the ideas she stole from Bernie?

You dont get to have your cake and eat it too - either Warren is a fairy dusting libtard like Bernie, or she is a lying corporate sellout who is pretending to support Bernies policies in an attempt to steal support from him.

[CelticBaller]

a .1% tax should be enough, and even then if Bernie gets elected he will have a hard time implementing it.

[Nanners]

According to WAPO, Bernie stole the idea of a wealth tax from a different dem candidate :oldlol:

"Sanders, taking a page from Warren, proposes sweeping wealth tax" - https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1176469033211899904

[SomeBlackDude]

did wall street ever issue the same threat for che bernvara?

[QUOTE][B][U]Wall Street Democratic donors warn the party: We

[MaxFly]

people here don't seem to have the slightest clue how government works. they think presidents are wizards who just wave magic wands and make their agenda happen with a simple wave.


There's a profound and fundamental ignorance as to how government works, how things get done, and how to get things done. It's actually quite astounding how pervasive it is.

My wife works for an education non-profit and we've had an ongoing discussion regarding the need for civics and government classes in high school. I've been stalwart in my belief that we need to just focus on Math, Science and English courses, and the ancillary language and history courses... but some of these people are going to force me to admit to her that she's right. :facepalm

[SomeBlackDude]

There's a profound and fundamental ignorance as to how government works, how things get done, and how to get things done. It's actually quite astounding how pervasive it is.

My wife works for an education non-profit and we've had an ongoing discussion regarding the need for civics and government classes in high school. I've been stalwart in my belief that we need to just focus on Math, Science and English courses, and the ancillary language and history courses... but some of these people are going to force me to admit to her that she's right. :facepalm

death before dishonor. never show weakness in front of her. even when you're clearly, unequivocally wrong. :no:

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE]When it comes to wealth taxes, the impact on the nation

[MaxFly]

Since you dodged my post in the other thread....



Riddle me this Maxfly - If you look at Warrens website right now, she claims to support a wealth tax, college debt amnesty, "health care as a human right", and all sorts of other expensive and supposedly unfeasable policies... she has basically copy-pasted her entire campaign platform from Bernie.

How does someone who is so vehemently opposed to Bernies policies justify their support for a candidate who claims to support all of the same policies? Is it because you know that Warren is a lying establishment toolbag who has no interest or intention in actually following through on any of the ideas she stole from Bernie?

You dont get to have your cake and eat it too - either Warren is a fairy dusting libtard like Bernie, or she is a lying corporate sellout who is pretending to support Bernies policies in an attempt to steal support from him.

I'm not propping up Warren either. I just think she has a better shot than Sanders does against Trump. Unlike Sanders, her messaging is better, she is a more disciplined candidate, and she has actually accomplished things in government because she actually seems to understand and respect the process of getting legislation past and things implemented. I don't agree with her on a host of issues, but she is better than Bernie and far, far, far better than Trump. Also, her plans are generally more moderate than Sanders'... if only slightly.

I should also disclose that I've met her on a number of occasions and know a few of her staffers quite well, so those free tickets to the White House would be nice.

[MaxFly]

did wall street ever issue the same threat for che bernvara?

to the million-aires and billion-aires

bern = paper tiger blowhard

pocahontas = an existential threat

her street cred's finna skyrocket with this news.

what a time :lol

When you talk to people in finance and banking, they dismiss Sanders. None of them take him seriously or are particularly concerned with anything he says. He's irrelevant to them. But they are afffrrraaaiiiddd of Liz. This "billionaire's shouldn't exist" foolishness has been largely overlooked by that crowd. Let Liz say something like that and watch people who work for Fidelity set themselves on fire. :oldlol:

[Nanners]

I'm not propping up Warren either. I just think she has a better shot than Sanders does against Trump. Unlike Sanders, her messaging is better, she is a more disciplined candidate, and she has actually accomplished things in government because she actually seems to understand the process of getting legislation past. I don't agree with her on a host of issues, but she is better than Bernie and far, far, far better than Trump. Also, her plans are generally more moderate than Sanders'... if only slightly.

I should also disclose that I've met her on a number of occasions and know a few of her staffers quite well, so those free tickets to the White House would be nice.

So let me get this straight - You made several posts in this thread ranting about all the ways a wealth tax would be disasterous for this country and how the wealthy would never allow something like this to happen, and yet you support a candidate who wants to pass a wealth tax... a candidate who you think could actually get some things accomplished... that makes sense.

But who cares if Warren supports this tax that you claim would be disasterous, who cares if she supports all of the same expensive social programs as Bernie... progressive policies are only bad when Bernie supports them, its fine for Warren to do it because she has "messaging" and "discipline"!

:oldlol:

[MaxFly]

So let me get this straight - You made several posts in this thread ranting about all the ways a wealth tax would be disasterous for this country and how the wealthy would never allow something like this to happen, and yet you support a candidate who wants to pass a wealth tax... a candidate who you think could actually get some things accomplished... that makes sense.

But who cares if Warren supports this tax that you claim would be disasterous, who cares if she supports all of the same expensive social programs as Bernie... progressive policies are only bad when Bernie supports them, its fine for Warren to do it because she has "messaging" and "discipline"!

:oldlol:

I'm not supporting Elizabeth Warren nor will I be voting for her in the primary. But if it comes down to it, I will support her over over Sanders and Trump. I'm not sure why that is so hard to understand. She's a better candidate than Sanders, and I'd like to keep RBG's seat from falling into the hands of a Conservative.

[Hawker]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

No wonder you sound like a guy who learned everything he knows about politics from watching a shitty Aaron Sorkin show...

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2017/04/how-liberals-fell-in-love-with-the-west-wing

This is a great article about blowhards who get inspiration from the west wing. It

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Hawker]I remember maxfly told me that Norway had big oil reserves like that

[Hawker]

I remember you trying to use an ill informed talking point about how Trump's tax cut brought US corporate taxes in line with the rates of other OECD countries to make the US more competitive for business. You then doubled down and used Scandinavia as an example of countries that "liberals" want the US to emulate but who have low corporate taxes.

I remember pointing out that Scandinavian countries have incredibly high personal income tax rates kicking in at lower income levels that we do. I remember pointing out that the US now has the lowest percentage of corporate tax receipts as a function of the nations' GDP in comparison to other OECD nations, and that we were below that OECD average before the tax cut, and well under that average now. I remember pointing out that, in Norway for example, the corporate tax rates reported do not reflect the fact that there is an additional tax on oil extraction, so saying "Norway has a lower corporate tax rate than us" is actually pretty disingenuous.

I don't recall the other points I made though I'm sure there were more, but I do remember you slinking away from that thread.

I like the West Wing. I think it's a good starter for people who want an entertaining insight into how government works on a technical level. I think many Bernie Sanders supporters who love to talk about politics but have no idea how government works should watch a season or two for a basic tutorial on the three branches of government, how a bill is made, how budgets are passed, etc. I could offer them one of my old Gov textbooks, but Bernie hasn't bothered to read any of those in awhile, so I doubt his supporters would either.

By the way, what do you think of Bernie Sanders' statement, "I don't think billionaires should exist" and his plan to "eliminate half their wealth in 15 years." I'm sure you and Nanners could have an interesting conversation on those points.

You don't think Nanners already knows what my opinion on this would be? This is exactly what I'm talking about dude.

[Nanners]

You don't think Nanners already knows what my opinion on this would be? This is exactly what I'm talking about dude.

Of course I know what your opinion would be - just the typical ill-informed talking point, probably something you learned on an episode of a capitalist show like shark tank. Perhaps someday I will lend you my old economics textbooks and educate you properly on the issue of wealth inequality in america, but I am doubtful that your inferior conservative intellect would be able to understand the important differences between these complicated policies anyway.

Now then, I am going to go watch Madam Secretary to learn about how Hillary is not a corrupt sociopath but just a misunderstood pragmatist.

[Hawker]

Of course I know what your opinion would be - just the typical ill-informed talking point, probably something you learned on an episode of a capitalist show like shark tank. Perhaps someday I will lend you my old economics textbooks and educate you properly on the issue of wealth inequality in america, but I am doubtful that your inferior conservative intellect would be able to understand the important differences between these complicated policies anyway.

Now then, I am going to go watch Madam Secretary to learn about how Hillary is not a corrupt sociopath but just a misunderstood pragmatist.

:oldlol:

You made a good point in bringing up Elizabeth Warren. She's as much of a clown as Bernie.

[CelticBaller]

Of course I know what your opinion would be - just the typical ill-informed talking point, probably something you learned on an episode of a capitalist show like shark tank. Perhaps someday I will lend you my old economics textbooks and educate you properly on the issue of wealth inequality in america, but I am doubtful that your inferior conservative intellect would be able to understand the important differences between these complicated policies anyway.

Now then, I am going to go watch Madam Secretary to learn about how Hillary is not a corrupt sociopath but just a misunderstood pragmatist.
So the solution is to take the billionaires/millionaires wealth and give it to those

[Norcaliblunt]

Not a Biden crowd member, but yes... this rhetoric by Bernie Sanders is more insane than Biden's and a host of other Democrats' support for the Iraq war. They were told by the administration and intelligence community that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but they should have known better and should have been more diligent in pressing the administration and the intelligence community for more verifiable information before committing to give Bush war authorization. Had they done that, we would not have gotten into that mess.

But let's be clear... Bernie, in saying that billionaires should not exist, and in the implementation of his plan, is saying that individuals who have founded, built and invested in companies, should no longer be allowed to own them when the company becomes successful. In fact, the government should take away ownership from those individuals.


Ultra rich guys losing some ownership stake in their company is more insane than dead women and children? Okay gotcha.

[MaxFly]

Ultra rich guys losing some ownership stake in their company is more insane than dead women and children? Okay gotcha.

Let's frame the issue in proper context. With Sanders plan, as presently constructed, the United States of America will determine that when a business someone founded has reached a value that makes that individual a multi-billionaire, the government will step in and force that individual to divest from that business every year, taking away that business from that individual and handing control to other people.

There's measured and sensible... and then there's extreme and asinine. This is extreme. This would affect people's savings, pensions, the value of the US dollar, trade...

I believe the wealthy and ultra wealthy should pay more in taxes... is some cases, much more.... but I can't get behind Sanders' plan, and certainly not the messaging he is using to push it.

[MaxFly]

:oldlol:

You made a good point in bringing up Elizabeth Warren. She's as much of a clown as Bernie.

Glad I could bring you guys together to bond. :cheers:

[Nanners]

Glad I could bring you guys together to bond. :cheers:

Thank you for that

Hawker and I have always disagreed about the vast majority of domestic politics and policy (we mostly agree on foreign policy), and we have been relentlessly talking shit to eachother since I joined this site a decade ago... yet in this thread we instantly set aside our differences thanks to our shared desire to mock your jabroni ass.

Maybe establishment democrats really are good for political unity... after all, who else could bring together a member of the far left with a member of the far right as effectively as you did in this thread? :applause:

[RoseCity07]

I'm cool with there being billionaires as long as everyone has access to the healthcare they need. There should always be a path for people born into a shitty situation to make something of themselves. If you can't work you should at least have a place to live and eat.

We have enough prosperity to cover the people that fall through the cracks.

[rufuspaul]

Thank you for that

Hawker and I have always disagreed about the vast majority of domestic politics and policy (we mostly agree on foreign policy), and we have been relentlessly talking shit to eachother since I joined this site a decade ago... yet in this thread we instantly set aside our differences thanks to our shared desire to mock your jabroni ass.

Maybe establishment democrats really are good for political unity... after all, who else could bring together a member of the far left with a member of the far right as effectively as you did in this thread? :applause:


:roll:


The Hillary stans are scared shitless of Bernie. It's pretty ****ing hilarious.

[MaxFly]

I'm cool with there being billionaires as long as everyone has access to the healthcare they need. There should always be a path for people born into a shitty situation to make something of themselves. If you can't work you should at least have a place to live and eat.

We have enough prosperity to cover the people that fall through the cracks.

This is pretty much how everyone on the left should be talking about the issue. Messaging that centers on eliminating people's wealth will miss many voters.

[diamenz]

This is pretty much how everyone on the left should be talking about the issue. Messaging that centers on eliminating people's wealth will miss many voters.

ya because everyday americans working to make ends meet are really tripping out about the uber rich getting a tax hike. otoh, u are somewhat right in that regard though - the liberal masses don't vote with the issues in mind... they vote for 'the woman' or the 'clean cut black man', or the name that they recognize (hence used-to-be front runner biden). but best believe that they're not turned off by some one or five percenter having to pay more in taxes.

"eliminating people's wealth" LoL. u'd be a star at fox news as an establishment democrat.

[Nanners]

This is pretty much how everyone on the left should be talking about the issue. Messaging that centers on eliminating people's wealth will miss many voters.

Bullshit

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/4/18210370/warren-wealth-tax-poll

According to Morning Consult, Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax proposal is very popular. Not only do 74% of Democrats support a wealth tax (with only 11% in opposition), but a whopping 50% of republicans support a wealth tax. Overall, 61% of all voters support a wealth tax while 20% oppose and 20% have no opinion.

More than half of american households are living paycheck to paycheck and unable to afford a $1000 emergency. A lot of these people are angry that the wealthy are doing better than ever while enormous numbers of americans are suffering... a lot of these people think the wealthy deserve to have some of their wealth eliminated.

[diamenz]

Bullshit

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/4/18210370/warren-wealth-tax-poll

According to Morning Consult, Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax proposal is very popular. Not only do 74% of Democrats support a wealth tax (with only 11% in opposition), but a whopping 50% of republicans support a wealth tax. Overall, 61% of all voters support a wealth tax while 20% oppose and 20% have no opinion.

More than half of americans households are living paycheck to paycheck and unable to afford a $1000 emergency... these people dont give a flying **** about about protecting the wealth of the uber rich

that's just how far right on the economic spectrum maxfly is, as a democrat.

[Nanners]

:roll:


The Hillary stans are scared shitless of Bernie. It's pretty ****ing hilarious.

It makes sense, Bernie threatens the status quo that the establishment democrats are sworn to protect.

If Elizabeth Warren was actually a threat to do anything progressive, they would be scared of her too. The fact that the establishment has no problem with Warren (who claims to support all of Bernies policies) while trashing Bernie relentlessly, speaks volumes about the two candidates.

[Smoke117]

The idea that we should punish people for being successful is ludicrous. Isn't Bernie, himself, a millionaire? I don't see him giving away all his wealth to his fellow man. Oh, that's right, socialist want to take and spread your money not their own.

[SomeBlackDude]

Isn't Bernie, himself, a millionaire?

che bernvara in 2016- "million-aires and billion-aires are root cause of all evil, they're responsible for all the suffering in the world."

*monetizes his newfound political celebrity status*

bernie 'let them eat cake' sanders, esquire in 2019- "if you write a bestselling book, you could be a million-aire like me too." (https://theweek.com/speedreads/834228/bernie-sanders-says-millionaire-like-write-bestselling-book)

Bernie Reportedly Doesn't Pay His Staff the $15 Minimum Wage He's So Into (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evye3j/bernie-reportedly-doesnt-pay-his-staff-the-dollar15-minimum-wage-hes-so-into)

credibility shot to pieces.

pocahontas is che now.

[RRR3]

Nanny: I’m far left

Also nanny: votes for trump




Sorry bub you’re not far left

[Nanners]

Theres a huge difference between a millionaire and a billionaire

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB-ROTVVUAE5fxa.png

[RRR3]

che bernvara in 2016- "million-aires and billion-aires are root cause of all evil, they're responsible for all the suffering in the world."

*monetizes his newfound political celebrity status*

bernie 'let them eat cake' sanders, esquire in 2019- "if you write a bestselling book, you could be a million-aire like me too." (https://theweek.com/speedreads/834228/bernie-sanders-says-millionaire-like-write-bestselling-book)

Bernie Reportedly Doesn't Pay His Staff the $15 Minimum Wage He's So Into (https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/evye3j/bernie-reportedly-doesnt-pay-his-staff-the-dollar15-minimum-wage-hes-so-into)

credibility shot to pieces.

pocahontas is che now.
That’s not a good look for Bernie but he’s still the most trustworthy in terms of voting record.

[Nanners]

Nanny: I’m far left

Also nanny: votes for trump




Sorry bub you’re not far left

yeah great point, you got me there. despite the fact that Hillary was guaranteed to win my state by a landslide... I should have just voted for the dem candidate who cheated regardless, rather than doing a protest vote.

anyway, since the only thing that determines a persons political alignment is their vote in the presidential election, i suppose i am alt-right or whatever.

[SomeBlackDude]

Theres a huge difference between a millionaire and a billionaire

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EB-ROTVVUAE5fxa.png

good gawd, these fake ass socialists have visual aides to try to explain away selling out now? :lol

https://media0.giphy.com/media/10o80f5ucCNU3e/giphy.gif

^truest shit anyone ever wrote down/spoke.

you don't see ninjas running around with fidel castro t-shirts now do you?

fidel died a rich old man in a mansion in havana.

che died young in the jungle of bolivia fighting to liberate people from cia backed despots.

who is revered, who is reviled?

berns is well on his way to going out like fidel. dude is gonna be found on a gold plated toilet in his 'vacation mansion', wearing some diamond-encrusted gucci slippers and a silk versace robe.

[RRR3]

yeah great point, you got me there. despite the fact that Hillary was guaranteed to win my state by a landslide... I should have just voted for the dem candidate who cheated regardless, rather than doing a protest vote.

anyway, since the only thing that determines a persons political alignment is their vote in the presidential election, i suppose i am alt-right or whatever.
It’s a matter of principle.

I have 4 close friends who refused to vote for Hillary but they either voted for Stein, Johnson or wrote in Bernie himself. That’s a lot different than voting for someone as repugnant as Trump. You’d rather have a fascist like Trump than a corporate dem :facepalm

[Nanners]

It’s a matter of principle.

I have 4 close friends who refused to vote for Hillary but they either voted for Stein, Johnson or wrote in Bernie himself. That’s a lot different than voting for someone as repugnant as Trump. You’d rather have a fascist like Trump than a corporate dem :facepalm

Why dont dems understand how the electoral college works? My state always goes blue by a landslide, my vote had zero impact on anything.

I protest voted for Stein in 2012, I almost voted for her again in 2016 but I thought voting for Trump would be a bigger "**** you" to the establishment dems.

Who the hell are you to be policing my vote anyway? I intend to continue voting for whoever the hell I want in 2020, including Trump if I feel like it... you can take your "matter of principle" and shove it up your ass.

[RRR3]

Oh, I’m aware of your vote not mattering. My friend who wrote in Bernie did so in a very blue state as well. But at least she kept her integrity by not voting for a fascist. Can’t say the same for you.

And yeah you really showed the establishment with your one vote. I’m sure they noticed :oldlol:

[Nanners]

Oh, I’m aware of your vote not mattering. My friend who wrote in Bernie did so in a very blue state as well. But at least she kept her integrity by not voting for a fascist. Can’t say the same for you.

Oh no, whatever will I do without my integrity?!?


And yeah you really showed the establishment with your one vote. I’m sure they noticed :oldlol:

TBH I didnt think anyone would notice... but considering I still have random jabronies on a basketball messageboard giving me shit about it 3 years after the fact, it would seem that my vote was pretty noticeable after all. :oldlol:

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Oh, I

[diamenz]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Oh, I

[Nanners]

it's libtards such as yourself that have no idea why america voted in trump to begin with. obama voters, along with rock throwers and working class folk got trump elected. it wasn't trailer trash amurica. calling trump a fascist is about as stupid as comparing sanders to che guevara. what exactly is so unorthodox about his right wing policies that has u all hot & bothered about him?

Michael Moore tried to warn them a few months before the election https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMm5HfxNXY4

[SomeBlackDude]

about as stupid as comparing sanders to che guevara.

fidel bernstro (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lz4qeDR0O9c) is prob more accurate at this point.

[RRR3]

it's libtards such as yourself that have no idea why america voted in trump to begin with. obama voters, along with rock throwers and working class folk got trump elected. it wasn't trailer trash amurica. calling trump a fascist is about as stupid as comparing sanders to che guevara. what exactly is so unorthodox about his right wing policies that has u all hot & bothered about him?
You are engaging in an insane amount of ignorance if you think voting for Obama automatically means you’re not racist.

As for why I call Donnie Dumbass a fascist; he cozies up to dictators, has talked multiple times about not leaving office after his term limits are up, refused to condemn literal nazis in Charlottesville, implies violent threats towards political opponents, keeps a copy of Hitler’s speeches by his bed, has chummed it up with the likes of Steve Bannon and Stephen Miller, and stirs up racism and xenophobia.

[RRR3]

I wish people wouldn’t let clowns like nanners turn them off from Bernie. He’s a great candidate.

[Nanners]

Wow yet another great point RRR...you're on a roll today.

I completely forgot that there are tons of undecided voters reading this thread who will no doubt be turned away from Bernie all because I protest voted for Trump in a deep blue state in 2016 :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Wow yet another great point RRR...you're on a roll today.

I completely forgot that there are tons of undecided voters reading this thread who will no doubt be turned away from Bernie all because I protest voted for Trump in a deep blue state in 2016 :oldlol:
That’s not what I’m worried about, you dolt. I’m worried about people like Don, Max and my parents who would vote for Bernie but prefer other candidates due to vague feelings or bullshit reasons they have been indoctrinated with by the media’s coverage of Bernie and the so-called “Bernie Bros”. I’d like Bernie to get the nomination and people like you don’t help.

[Nanners]

That’s not what I’m worried about, you dolt. I’m worried about people like Don, Max and my parents who would vote for Bernie but prefer other candidates due to vague feelings or bullshit reasons they have been indoctrinated with by the media’s coverage of Bernie and the so-called “Bernie Bros”. People like you don’t help.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You actually think dondumbass would ever consider voting for Bernie? And you think that I am the one stopping that from happening? I am flattered that you think my posts have so much influence around here, but dondipshit would vote for Putin before he'd vote for Bernie.

Your parents read ISH OTC? If you want to gently coax your delicate parents toward Bernie, go right ahead... but if I see your parents around here I am going to drop my Bernie Bro sledge hammer on their heads, and then im going admonish them for raising such a simpleton.

[RRR3]

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

You actually think dondumbass would ever consider voting for Bernie? And you think that I am the one stopping that from happening? I am flattered that you think my posts have so much influence around here, but dondipshit would vote for Putin before he'd vote for Bernie.

Your parents read ISH OTC? If you want to gently coax your delicate parents toward Bernie, go right ahead... but if I see your parents around here I am going to drop my Bernie Bro sledge hammer on their heads, and then im going admonish them for raising such a simpleton.
:rolleyes:

No my parents don’t read this retarded ass website :facepalm

I’m talking about the stigma of the “Bernie Bro”. People like you have contributed to this, and it’s not helpful in attracting more moderates to supporting Bernie. People don’t like being talked down to or having their core beliefs bludgeoned. All of this is unfair to Bernie and it’s ridiculous people judge Bernie by what a few bellends like you act like, but that’s just the way many people are.

If Don truly wants to stop Trump, he’d vote for whoever the democratic nominee is

[coin24]

[QUOTE=RRR3]:rolleyes:

No my parents don

[CelticBaller]

You don

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]You don

[CelticBaller]

:facepalm

I absolutely get to shame someone who claims to be a leftist if they voted for Donald Trump. Or is he suddenly a leftist icon?
You

[RRR3]

You’re ok with calling Trump a fascist yet you go and shame people who don’t agree with your political view

It’s almost like nobody can disagree with you, hmm that’s sounds oddly familiar
I’m shaming hypocrisy. How are you too dumb to get this? :biggums:

[Nanners]

:rolleyes:

No my parents don’t read this retarded ass website :facepalm

I’m talking about the stigma of the “Bernie Bro”. People like you have contributed to this, and it’s not helpful in attracting more moderates to supporting Bernie. People don’t like being talked down to or having their core beliefs bludgeoned. All of this is unfair to Bernie and it’s ridiculous people judge Bernie by what a few bellends like you act like, but that’s just the way many people are.

If Don truly wants to stop Trump, he’d vote for whoever the democratic nominee is


First you try to police my vote, now you are trying to police my support of Bernie and his left wing policies?

You know what really isnt helpful for attracting moderates to Bernie? People like donsmugnorant and max who claim to be left-wing but relentlessly attack and smear Bernie in threads like this one. If you are actually care about attracting people to Bernie, I think your time would be much better served debunking the right-wing attacks that the establishment drones have been making in this very thread.

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Hypocrisy? Bernie wasn

[RRR3]

First you try to police my vote, now you are trying to police my support of Bernie and his left wing policies?

You know what really isnt helpful for attracting moderates to Bernie? People like donsmugnorant and max who claim to be left-wing but relentlessly attack and smear Bernie in threads like this one. If you are actually care about attracting people to Bernie, I think your time would be much better served debunking the right-wing attacks that the establishment drones have been making in this very thread.
I already discussed the media negatively impacting people’s perception of Bernie, which probably applies to Don. I doubt I can convince him of anything. You certainly won’t by being a condescending ass who proudly voted for Trump.
As for Max, he seems to think Warren would be more effective at getting legislation passed, and while I’d much rather have Bernie, he has a point there. I could easily see congress screwing Bernie repeatedly in a way they wouldn’t for Warren.

[CelticBaller]

Yes there were no third party candidates and write-ins are illegal.


Nice to know you get your talking points from Fox, will stop taking you seriously.
3rd party votes are worthless

It was voting for the lesser of 2 evils

[coin24]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]You

[RRR3]

Yeah Hilary was more evil than a racist, rapist fascist. Log off breitbart, pops.

[CelticBaller]

Yeah Hilary was more evil than a racist, rapist fascist. Log off breitbart, pops.
Show me proof of Trump being a racist, a rapist and a fascist

Please

[SomeBlackDude]

bernie sanders is a donald trump level charlatan, just in a more likable package.

him promising you 'free' healthcare, college, etc is the same exact thing as the gawd emperor convincing rubes that mexico was gonna buy them a wall.

kind of explains the nan man's vote doe.

https://i.postimg.cc/sfmPtjFK/Thinking-Face-Emoji-grande.png

[RRR3]

Show me proof of Trump being a racist, a rapist and a fascist

Please
•If you need “proof” of Trump being a racist you’re already lost.
•literally an entire wiki page dedicated to his sexual misconduct. I suppose ALL of these women are lying :oldlol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
•I already explained why I called him a fascist.

[RRR3]

bernie sanders is a donald trump level charlatan, just in a more likable package.

him promising you 'free' healthcare, college, etc is the same exact thing as the gawd emperor convincing rubes that mexico was gonna buy them a wall.

kind of explains the nan man's vote doe.

https://i.postimg.cc/sfmPtjFK/Thinking-Face-Emoji-grande.png
Why can’t college be free?

We don’t need to be spending so much on the military, channel that into the programs Bernie talks about instead.

[CelticBaller]

Oh, so a page of allegations. We live in America you know, innocent until proven guilty and all that

You haven

[Nanners]

Supposedly the wealthiest country in the world "cant afford" free college, and Bernie Sanders is a fairy duster for saying otherwise... yet somehow they can afford it in Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Kenya, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Morocco, Norway, Panama, Poland, Scotland, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, and Uruguay.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-with-free-college/

[SomeBlackDude]

Show me proof of Trump being a racist

https://i.postimg.cc/pTfN29Qm/USA-vs-Trump-1.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/wMgC36F0/USA-vs-Trump-2.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/rsjvrvPc/USA-vs-Trump-3.jpg

^1 of 2 times the gov sued the emperor for racial discrimination. in 2 seperate decades. he admitted guilt and settled both times.


a rapist

https://i.postimg.cc/W4980s25/image-asset.jpg


and a fascist

https://i.postimg.cc/N0VTgFGv/CQsop7-XWs-AAmdnh.jpg


Please

you're welcome. :cheers:

[RRR3]

His rhetoric is fascist and some of actions are as well. He’s not able to go full fascist because of the system we live in. Still....
“It’s not completely true that Trump has failed to act at all on his authoritarian ambitions. He has punished the Washington Post by raising postage rates on Amazon, and ordered the blocking of a merger to punish CNN. (That case is under litigation.) He has ordered the military to carry out a domestic ambition — funding a border wall — in defiance of Congress, and boasts that his loyal attorney general is investigating various opponents”

Source: http://nymag.com/intelligencer/amp/2019/06/trump-and-the-rhetoric-of-fascism.html



I can’t believe I have to even link this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump

[CelticBaller]

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https://i.postimg.cc/N0VTgFGv/CQsop7-XWs-AAmdnh.jpg



you're welcome. :cheers:
Finally! some proof. I did read upon that case, but iirc his dad was in charge of the business at the time, though I could be wrong.


Are those allegations? come on bruh, as a black man I know for sure you're a believer of innocent until proven guilty


:oldlol: @ that pictures

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Why can

[CelticBaller]

Supposedly the wealthiest country in the world "cant afford" free college, and Bernie Sanders is a fairy duster for saying otherwise... yet somehow they can afford it in Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Kenya, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Morocco, Norway, Panama, Poland, Scotland, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, and Uruguay.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-with-free-college/
I don't think is "cant afford" and is more of "we don't want to pay the taxes that come with it"

[SomeBlackDude]

I don't think is "cant afford" and is more of "we don't want to pay the taxes that come with it"

bingo.

if berns would be straight with the bros and was like 'listen, you can have universal healthcare and 'free' college and all the rainbow and gumdrops i said you wouldn't have to pay for... but you'll have to pay 50-60% of your salary in taxes to cover it' and the bros were like 'cool'... then that'd be one thing.

but lying to the folks and saying it's all gonna be free until the bill comes in and everyone is like 'f*ck'... that's just plain dishonest.

tell the people the truth- all the things i'm promising will necessitate a bigly increase in your taxes but i believe what you get in return will be worth the price tag.

if people vote for it, and they vote for like-minded people to fill the majority of seats in the house and senate so your agenda can move beyond empty rhetoric- great you have a mandate.

but stop lying.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oxRmm2Kq21SmCWAj6/source.gif

[RRR3]

bingo.

if berns would be straight with the bros and was like 'listen, you can have universal healthcare and 'free' college and all the rainbow and gumdrops i said you wouldn't have to pay for... but you'll have to pay 50-60% of your salary in taxes to cover it' and the bros were like 'cool'... then that'd be one thing.

but lying to the folks and saying it's all gonna be free until the bill comes in and everyone is like 'f*ck'... that's just plain dishonest.

tell the people the truth- all the things i'm promising will necessitate a bigly increase in your taxes but i believe what you get in return will be worth the price tag.

if people vote for it, and they vote for like-minded people to fill the majority of seats in the house and senate so your agenda can move beyond empty rhetoric- great you have a mandate.

but stop lying.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oxRmm2Kq21SmCWAj6/source.gif
You don’t think Bernie would tax the rich much more heavily to help pay for this?

And again, the money could easily just come from what we already are spending on the military!

[Nanners]

I don't think is "cant afford" and is more of "we don't want to pay the taxes that come with it"

We dont have to raise taxes, its just a matter of priorities.

Bernies college plan is projected to cost around $70b/yr. To give that number some context, last year the defense budget increased by $60b without raising anyones taxes (from 640b to 700b), this increase alone would almost cover it. Trumps recent tax cuts for the rich added ~$1.9trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years, that tax cut could pay for 27 years of free college. Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax is estimated to bring in somewhere between $70b and $200b per year, and as I pointed out earlier the idea of a wealth tax on the ultra rich is quite popular with the general public.

[RRR3]

So many politicians on both sides REALLY don’t like the idea of cutting military spending.

Eisenhower was warning us about this shit half a century ago.

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You don

[CelticBaller]

We dont have to raise taxes, its just a matter of priorities.

Bernies college plan is projected to cost around $70b/yr. To give that number some context, last year the defense budget increased by $60b without raising anyones taxes (from 640b to 700b), this increase alone would almost cover it. Trumps recent tax cuts for the rich added ~$1.9trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years, that tax cut could pay for 27 years of free college. Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax is estimated to bring in somewhere between $70b and $200b per year, and as I pointed out earlier the idea of a wealth tax on the ultra rich is quite popular with the general public.
I’m more for a speculation tax. Taxing people just because they’re too rich for your liking is meh

[Nanners]

[QUOTE=RRR3]So many politicians on both sides REALLY don

[bladefd]

yeah great point, you got me there. despite the fact that Hillary was guaranteed to win my state by a landslide... I should have just voted for the dem candidate who cheated regardless, rather than doing a protest vote.

anyway, since the only thing that determines a persons political alignment is their vote in the presidential election, i suppose i am alt-right or whatever.

You would have been better off not voting or voting for a 3rd party :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

There is one politician who wants to cut military spending

https://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-promises-to-cut-and-reinvest-us-defense-spending-2019-3
I would imagine AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley do as well.

[Nanners]

I would imagine AOC, Omar, Tlaib and Pressley do as well.

yeah im sure there are others. tulsi gabbard, jeff merkley, rand paul maybe...

[RRR3]

**** Rand Paul.

I don’t trust Gabbard much (she even says she’s a “hawk” when it comes to combating terrorism so idk how much she’d cut the budget) but I’d certainly take her as president if she somehow got the nomination.

Not too familiar with Merkley but I’ve heard good things.

[RRR3]

You would have been better off not voting or voting for a 3rd party :confusedshrug:
Or writing in Bernie.

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=RRR3]You don

[CelticBaller]

take aoc's 70% top tax rate on people making over $10 mil per year proposal and let's make believe we're living in a reality where that's possible. the tax foundation estimates that would generate $291 billion over a decade.


There's no way people would vote for that :roll:

[SomeBlackDude]

There's no way people would vote for that :roll:

you (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A030wZ8kjyQ) :facepalm

all things are possible through christ, bro.

https://i.postimg.cc/1XQR9hLK/vk2qTKS.jpg

[diamenz]

bingo.

if berns would be straight with the bros and was like 'listen, you can have universal healthcare and 'free' college and all the rainbow and gumdrops i said you wouldn't have to pay for... but you'll have to pay 50-60% of your salary in taxes to cover it' and the bros were like 'cool'... then that'd be one thing.

but lying to the folks and saying it's all gonna be free until the bill comes in and everyone is like 'f*ck'... that's just plain dishonest.

tell the people the truth- all the things i'm promising will necessitate a bigly increase in your taxes but i believe what you get in return will be worth the price tag.

if people vote for it, and they vote for like-minded people to fill the majority of seats in the house and senate so your agenda can move beyond empty rhetoric- great you have a mandate.

but stop lying.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oxRmm2Kq21SmCWAj6/source.gif

sander's proposed tax hike wouldn't affect anyone making under 250k. after 250k, the tax hike is progressive (lower case p) with the uber rich obviously paying the most. bernie bros would not feel it at all.

[bladefd]

Supposedly the wealthiest country in the world "cant afford" free college, and Bernie Sanders is a fairy duster for saying otherwise... yet somehow they can afford it in Argentina, Austria, Brazil, Czech Republic, Denmark, Egypt, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Iceland, Kenya, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Morocco, Norway, Panama, Poland, Scotland, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Turkey, and Uruguay.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/countries-with-free-college/

I'm against erasing all college debt - it would be outrageous sum to erase at once. Maybe do re-finance at like 1% interest rate for those college debts and future college loans. There is no need to get crazy into "We will take all your college debt and future tuition fees no matter how rich or poor you are." Why the blanket statement?

Also, why are art history majors and other shitty majors getting same treatment as say physics major or engineering or CS that actually progress society? Art history major is not impacting civilization. Let us consider that when a blanket statement is made. If you make a proposal, you need it to be worthwhile in big picture. You can have free community college but not free state/private universities.

Bernie should focus on healthcare because that is by far the biggest issue we face as a nation. You don't need to ban private insurances to make it work. Why not use the 0.5% speculation tax to help fund universal healthcare? Then slash military funding from 750bn to 400bn. Raise the taxes to Obama era, maybe bit higher up to 45% for the highest bracket. End the deficit and allow people to not have to worry about going bankrupt if they have to pay for heart medicine or take out a loan to pay for kidney transplant.

[SomeBlackDude]

sander's proposed tax hike wouldn't affect anyone making under 250k. after 250k, the tax hike is progressive (lower case p) with the uber rich obviously paying the most. bernie bros would not feel it at all.

my sweet summer child. :(

took 4 or 5 years, but he finally started to tell the truth (https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/sen-bernie-sanders-admits-he-will-raise-taxes-middle-class-pay-universal).

not the whole truth so help him gawd emperor.

but baby steps i suppose.

[bladefd]

We dont have to raise taxes, its just a matter of priorities.

Bernies college plan is projected to cost around $70b/yr. To give that number some context, last year the defense budget increased by $60b without raising anyones taxes (from 640b to 700b), this increase alone would almost cover it. Trumps recent tax cuts for the rich added ~$1.9trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years, that tax cut could pay for 27 years of free college. Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax is estimated to bring in somewhere between $70b and $200b per year, and as I pointed out earlier the idea of a wealth tax on the ultra rich is quite popular with the general public.

What about erasing college debts? That's a couple trillion, right? Bernie wants to forgive that as a blanket statement..

[SomeBlackDude]

What about erasing college debts? That's a couple trillion, right? Bernie wants to forgive that as a blanket statement..

everybody's gonna be paying a 125% tax rate once bern is done with us. :roll:

[diamenz]

my sweet summer child. :(

took 4 or 5 years, but he finally started to tell the truth (https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/melanie-arter/sen-bernie-sanders-admits-he-will-raise-taxes-middle-class-pay-universal).

not the whole truth so help him gawd emperor.

but baby steps i suppose.

this is from 2016, but i don't think anything has changed.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/mb5706ae92.jpg

[SomeBlackDude]

this is from 2016, but i don't think anything has changed.

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/mb5706ae92.jpg

again, i beg of you- do the math.

a 70% top tax rate would cover 7% of the yearly cost of bern's medicare for all plan.

homework assignment for you, playboy.


"I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway," Sanders said, "and learn what they have accomplished for their working people." -feb 2016


“I think that countries like Denmark and Sweden do very well. I think it depends on what we mean by socialism. If we mean socialism is what the old Soviet Union was, that’s not my thing,” the Vermont senator said in Burlington. -april 2019

can you tell a ninja what the average 'murrican pays in taxes (% wise) and what the top tax rate is vs the same for denmark and sweden?

thanks.

[Rocket]

Didn't Bernie used to be against millionaires before he became one?:roll:

[bladefd]

by big bad bern's own estimate, 'free' healthcare alone would carry a price tag of up to $40 trillion per decade (https://reason.com/2019/07/17/bernie-sanders-medicare-for-all-cost-40-trillion-obamacare-single-payer/)

do the math.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/BmmfETghGOPrW/source.gif

hey bros, guess who's gonna pay for it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DV7yx2y3TtY).



the military defense budget for fy2020 is set to be $989 billion.

bern's medicare for all plan, again by his own estimate, costs $4 trillion per year.

again, i beg of you.

do the math.

We currently are on pace to spend just about that amount over the next 10yrs once you account for private insurances premium hikes and cost hikes in medicare+medicaid with an aging population..

Yes, we would pay 40 trillion over the next 10yrs for Bernie's medicare-for-all but that is total cost for all things healthcare encompassed in there. To figure out how much extra it is, you must subtract the premiums/co-pay/co-insurance that we are expected to pay next 10yrs from the $40trillion to figure out how much extra money is needed.

Some number crunching:
We currently spend $3.5 trillion each year (https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Statistics-Trends-and-Reports/NationalHealthExpendData/NationalHealthAccountsHistorical.html) on healthcare total, and it is expected to increase as costs rise and our population ages. Lets say we do 5yrs at $3.5 trillion and 5 years of $4 trillion. That's $37.5 trillion over next 10yrs. Bernie's plan costs $40 trillion over next 10 years with everything included in there. $2.5 trillion extra over 10yrs is not hard to make up with say a speculation tax of 0.5%.

Couple estimates have it at $32 trillion (http://www.crfb.org/blogs/how-much-will-medicare-all-cost) over next 10yrs so Bernie plan could potentially save money in long-term..

[diamenz]

again, i beg of you- do the math.

a 70% top tax rate would cover 7% of the yearly cost of bern's medicare for all plan.

homework assignment for you, playboy.





can you tell a ninja what the average 'murrican pays in taxes (% wise) and what the top tax rate is vs the same for denmark and sweden?

thanks.

i can't do the math - there's too much of it involved and my brain would explode. i was told that earnings under 250k would not be subject to a tax hike. the bernie calculator (https://www.bernietax.com/#0;0;s) tells me i'd be up 1k a year. that's good enough for me to give him a shot.

[SomeBlackDude]

Didn't Bernie used to be against millionaires before he became one?:roll:

billion-aires (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4iaqJcp2w)

[Kblaze8855]

I’d like some practical answers on the wealth tax.....

Wouldn’t it require some pretty wide expansions of the irs to catalog the wealth of these people? And in the case of non liquid or electronic assets....physical searches and appraisal?

Let’s say someone owns valuable art or is it least strongly suspected of having several valuable pieces. When they lock the door and don’t admit the IRS appraisers what’s the next step? Is it constitutional to enter a man’s home by force to evaluate his holdings? Would that satisfy the 4th amendment? Can you seize insurance documents?

Would it work like attempts to apply the estate tax only....with an active ongoing record of someone’s living estate? What if I don’t agree on the value they place on my art? Is a classic Car worth what you paid or what you think someone would pay now? Am I paying the cap gains on my unrealized profits? What if my wealth is land and I don’t have the cash to pay the tax? That’s the situation big time farming families would be in. Farmland generates shit profit but is worth millions. Can the government liquidate my assets to take tax money? I suppose targeting only billionaires would eliminate the problem of farmers.

How many people do you have to hire to do all this work?

You would have to find ways to charge someone’s entire family holdings or they would just spread them out to family to go under the threshold. So does that mean the government picks a guy in the family who owes for the entire families wealth? Does everyone go to jail if he doesn’t pay or just him?

Who determines the value of a private company? I go back to the 4th amendment....

Can the government take your physical records on speculation you may commit a crime of having more wealth than allowed? How do you show probable cause?

I’m not saying it can’t be done....I’m saying....a conservative Supreme Court is gonna kick your ass.

[MaxFly]

Thank you for that

Hawker and I have always disagreed about the vast majority of domestic politics and policy (we mostly agree on foreign policy), and we have been relentlessly talking shit to eachother since I joined this site a decade ago... yet in this thread we instantly set aside our differences thanks to our shared desire to mock your jabroni ass.

Maybe establishment democrats really are good for political unity... after all, who else could bring together a member of the far left with a member of the far right as effectively as you did in this thread? :applause:

Lol, I don't think you realize the joke you are. Keep at it Bernie Bro. I'm always game for a good laugh. :cheers:

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I

[Norcaliblunt]

This don dada bitch has gone full on Nick Young troll style.

[Charlie Sheen]

Why did Bernie have to run as a Democrat this time around? I get it in 2016 because he had to play the 2 party game for exposure and money. Does anyone doubt he could poll above 15% to be invited to the debates in 2020?

[Kblaze8855]

I’m sure Bernie knows that if he ran as an independent it would absolutely 100% guarantee a Republican victory. I don’t think he wants to be known as the guy who personally handed over an election. Even if some of his followers are willing to vote for Trump out of spite. He’s not gonna go out there and personally guarantee he gets reelected. He’s been far too anti-trump to play spoiler And make it an absolute lock Trump wins. It would be Nader times 50.

Trump wouldn’t even have to campaign to run away with it. He would probably talk about nothing but himself and Bernie hoping he got profile enough to completely split Democratic voters and win in a landslide.

It honestly wouldn’t even be worth counting the votes.

[Charlie Sheen]

That's always been the argument against Ralph Nader but didn't exit polls show that Perot was taking votes from both sides pretty evenly?

[Kblaze8855]

Bernie has too many young people in his pocket. He

[MaxFly]

Bullshit

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/4/18210370/warren-wealth-tax-poll

According to Morning Consult, Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax proposal is very popular. Not only do 74% of Democrats support a wealth tax (with only 11% in opposition), but a whopping 50% of republicans support a wealth tax. Overall, 61% of all voters support a wealth tax while 20% oppose and 20% have no opinion.

You're making my point. Again... messaging. Even a majority of millionaires support a wealth tax, but conduct a poll about Sanders' plan quoting Sanders himself about the goal of the plan being to eliminate the wealth of billionaires and the fact that he thinks they shouldn't exist, and let's see how well that idea and his plan polls. Sanders' plan is also more extreme than Warren's and Warren is more disciplined in how she addresses the topic.


More than half of american households are living paycheck to paycheck and unable to afford a $1000 emergency. A lot of these people are angry that the wealthy are doing better than ever while enormous numbers of americans are suffering... a lot of these people think the wealthy deserve to have some of their wealth eliminated.

All of this is true, but if your messaging is off, you are going to push away even those who would support you.

[MaxFly]

but i'm sure when bern is elected, denmark will pay for it and everything will be good.

Why not Mexico? Eventually they'll have to pay for something, right?

[RRR3]

You're making my point. Again... messaging. Even a majority of millionaires support a wealth tax, but conduct a poll about Sanders' plan quoting Sanders himself about the goal of the plan being to eliminate the wealth of billionaires and the fact that he thinks they shouldn't exist, and let's see how well that idea and his plan polls. Sanders plan is also more extreme than Warren's and Warren is more disciplined in how she addresses the topic.



All of this is true, but if your messaging is off, you are going to push away even those who would support you.
Max, you will support Bernie if he gets the nom, right?

[MaxFly]

can you tell a ninja what the average 'murrican pays in taxes (% wise) and what the top tax rate is vs the same for denmark and sweden?

thanks.

Not only what the top rate is, but when that top rate kicks in.

[MaxFly]

Max, you will support Bernie if he gets the nom, right?

Easily... we have a dumpster fire in the White House right now.

[RRR3]

Easily... we have a dumpster fire in the White House right now.
:applause:

[Hawker]

:applause:

Should he not vote third party or a write-in like you told Nanners?

Are we allowed to accuse Maxfly of agreeing that billionaires shouldn't exist if he votes for him?

[RRR3]

Should he not vote third party or a write-in like you told Nanners?

Are we allowed to accuse Maxfly of agreeing that billionaires shouldn't exist if he votes for him?
I’m a Bernie supporter, dude.

[qrich]

Easily... we have a dumpster fire in the White House right now.

A perfect case of playing for a party and not the best for the country :applause:

[Hawker]

We dont have to raise taxes, its just a matter of priorities.

Bernies college plan is projected to cost around $70b/yr. To give that number some context, last year the defense budget increased by $60b without raising anyones taxes (from 640b to 700b), this increase alone would almost cover it. Trumps recent tax cuts for the rich added ~$1.9trillion to the deficit over the next 10 years, that tax cut could pay for 27 years of free college. Elizabeth Warrens wealth tax is estimated to bring in somewhere between $70b and $200b per year, and as I pointed out earlier the idea of a wealth tax on the ultra rich is quite popular with the general public.

Why have most countries that instituted the wealth tax then got rid of it years later?

Also, england reversed its free college program and as a result, more people got degrees. There was less funding available when it was "free" and thus more restrictive. Free college = less availability for degrees.

The problem with the wealth tax is you're assuming behavior of wealthy people would remain the same after the wealth tax is passed. This is obviously not the case when these regulations get passed.

[MaxFly]

Should he not vote third party or a write-in like you told Nanners?

Are we allowed to accuse Maxfly of agreeing that billionaires shouldn't exist if he votes for him?

Again... we have a dumpster fire in the White House right now who we can't allow to continue smelling up the joint. Despite my misgivings regarding some of his policy points, a Sanders Presidency would be immeasurably better than 4 more years of Trump ruminating about buying Greenland. :confusedshrug:

[MaxFly]

A perfect case of playing for a party and not the best for the country :applause:

A Sanders defeat of Trump would be best for the country. I agree with Sanders on more points than I agree with Trump.

[RRR3]

A Sanders defeat of Trump would be best for the country. I agree with Sanders on more points than I agree with Trump.
Do you agree with drumpf on anything?

[MaxFly]

Do you agree with drumpf on anything?

Yes... for instance, I agree with him that we need to confront China on trade, the trade deficit and IP theft. I don't agree with how he has gone about attempting to do so.

[Hawker]

Again... we have a dumpster fire in the White House right now who we can't allow to continue smelling up the joint. Despite my misgivings regarding some of his policy points, a Sanders Presidency would be immeasurably better than 4 more years of Trump ruminating about buying Greenland. :confusedshrug:

Yeah I would disagree. Funny how Trump is criticized for supposed parallels to Hitler yet Bernie showed massive praise to communist countries that devastated their populations and country.

The greenland thing had no measurable effect on the lives of US citizens though. Not sure why that was something to care about in the first place. There should be more valued placed on action and not "looking presidential."

[MaxFly]

Yeah I would disagree. Funny how Trump is criticized for supposed parallels to Hitler yet Bernie showed massive praise to communist countries that devastated their populations and country.


Are we talking about the same Trump who has praised and defended authoritarians and dictators who have killed off journalists and jailed opposition?


The greenland thing had no measurable effect on the lives of US citizens though. Not sure why that was something to care about in the first place. There should be more valued placed on action and not "looking presidential."

It's a joke... lighten up. Just pointing out how foolish this President consistently looks.

[Hawker]

Are we talking about the same Trump who has praised and defended authoritarians and dictators who have killed off journalists and jailed opposition?

Yep. Just making sure Bernie gets the same scrutiny when he obviously isn't. Funny thing is - Bernie actually wants to implement the same policies. I'll be sure to be there letting you know about it when you decide to pull the lever for Bernie. Hold yourself to the same standard you hold Trump to. :cheers:




It's a joke... lighten up. Just pointing out how foolish this President consistently looks.

[MaxFly]

Yep.

So then yeah, if it came down to those two, I'd take my chances with Bernie over Trump easily.


Just making sure Bernie gets the same scrutiny when he obviously isn't. Funny thing is - Bernie actually wants to implement the same policies. I'll be sure to be there letting you know about it when you decide to pull the lever for Bernie. Hold yourself to the same standard you hold Trump to. :cheers:

As soon as Trump stops talking about opening up libel laws, talking about Americans being killers in defense of authoritarians who kill journalists, joking about executing whistleblowers, and pressuring foreign leaders to open investigations into political rivals, I'll take your concerns seriously. Democrats seem far more likely to push back on Sanders than Republicans are with Trump. Republicans have proven to be too servile... afraid to push back... afraid to speak out... afraid to be perceived as crossing Donald. When you guys figure that out, let us know.

[qrich]

A Sanders defeat of Trump would be best for the country. I agree with Sanders on more points than I agree with Trump.

No, you just sheepishly follow anyone with a D next to their name, that's been made clear.

[RRR3]

No, you just sheepishly follow anyone with a D next to their name, that's been made clear.
The irony :oldlol:

[MaxFly]

No, you just sheepishly follow anyone with a D next to their name, that's been made clear.

I'm supporting anyone who can boot Trump out of office... doesn't really matter what they have behind their name. I'd vote for Weld (former Governor of my State, overall good guy, though a little strange sometimes) if I thought he stood a chance in the primaries.

[qrich]

I'm supporting anyone who can boot Trump out of office... doesn't really matter what they have behind their name. I'd vote for Weld (former Governor of my State, overall good guy, though a little strange sometimes) if I thought he stood a chance in the primaries.

Yup, playing for a team. Thanks for confirmation :applause:


The irony :oldlol:


Why'd you disappear elsewhere bud?

[MaxFly]

Yup, playing for a team. Thanks for confirmation :applause:


Yup, I am. I'm playing for Team "Trump is a dumpster fire of a President and we need someone better who knows what they are doing." Looks like we're up on points right now. Let's see how the game unfolds.

[qrich]

Yup, I am. I'm playing for Team "Trump is a dumpster fire of a President and we need someone better who knows what they are doing." Looks like we're up on points right now. Let's see how the game unfolds.

Yet, topped the previous POS and undid his pro-racist laws, which you praise
:applause:

[Kblaze8855]

The white people in this country forever talking about the racism they face will never stop being funny. Been doing it since the 20s at least. Read some of George Wallaces speeches saying the true racists where those trying to eliminate jim crow laws and force the south to change its traditions.

George Wallace took a lot of the old Klan talk about laws designed to level the playing field being racist against whites.


Read his speech against the civil rights act:


http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/documents/1951-/speech-by-george-c-wallace-the-civil-rights-movement-fraud-sham-and-hoax-1964-.php



Its pretty much 2019 ISH in 1964 Alabama. Talk about the Left wing media, "socialists", the rights and traditions being trampled on by things like....making whites be neighbors with blacks. Its racist you see....against the white people. We arent supposed to consider " race, creed, color and national origin" as he put it. This....from a man who was screaming about segregation forever.


That guy in 2019 might actually become president. Though of course he couldnt be a democrat today since he railed against the left wing, liberals, political correctness, racism against whites, and was proud to be a conservative in all things......not that the parties ideologies have ever switched places or anything. That just a myth and all im told by ISH.....

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]did wall street ever issue the same threat for che bernvara?

[QUOTE][B][U]Wall Street Democratic donors warn the party: We

[RRR3]

why is the billion-aire class so SHOOK by the prospect of a pocahontas presidency but lose no sleep over comrade bern?

:confusedshrug:
Don, you will vote for Bern if he wins the nom right?

[Charlie Sheen]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Bernie has too many young people in his pocket. He

[MaxFly]

Yet, topped the previous POS and undid his pro-racist laws, which you praise
:applause:

Got any links regarding what you're talking about?

[MaxFly]

why is the billion-aire class so SHOOK by the prospect of a pocahontas presidency but lose no sleep over comrade bern?

:confusedshrug:

Because Elizabeth Warren is effective, disciplined and has actually gotten things done in government. They don't take Bernie all that seriously.

[SomeBlackDude]

Because Elizabeth Warren is effective, disciplined and has actually gotten things done in government. They don't take Bernie all that seriously.

at least we know why the billion-aires are planning on pulling a nanners should native 'murricans take back their country.


Income inequality in America is the highest it’s been since Census Bureau started tracking it, data shows

...

The Gini index measures wealth distribution across a population, with zero representing total equality and 1 representing total inequality, where all wealth is concentrated in a single household. The indicator has been rising steadily for several decades. When the Census Bureau began studying income inequality in 1967, the Gini index was 0.397. In 2018, it climbed to 0.485.

By comparison, no European nation had a score greater than 0.38 last year.

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/411/962/027.jpg

maga.

[diamenz]

Because Elizabeth Warren is effective, disciplined and has actually gotten things done in government. They don't take Bernie all that seriously.

coupled with the fact that warren is now considered the frontrunner. she leads in iowa, nh and i think a couple of national polls as of last week.

[RRR3]

Got any links regarding what you're talking about?
He thinks affirmative action is racist.

[MaxFly]

He thinks affirmative action is racist.

I know, but he never has a link, a reference or an anecdote to back up his assertions. He has about 4 talking points he consistently revisits and he's pretty deficient in defending all of them. Sometimes I wonder if he is a bot or if English isn't his first language. :confusedshrug:

[RealSkipBayless]

He thinks affirmative action is racist.
It is racist though.

[MaxFly]

It is racist though.

How so?

[egokiller]

How many kids and in what state? The biggest section 8 voucher I personally know about was just under 1000 and the girl had five or six kids.

3 kids in Ohio.