MJ made Pippen, pretty common knowledge for those who were around in the 90s...

[TheMan]

Proof...




Michael Jordan's Genius Method of Creating Pippen in His Own Image
HIGGY APACHE
AUGUST 28, 2011

For some reason, some NBA fans have been arguing that without Pippen, Michael Jordan would not have any titles or they ask, “How many did Jordan win without Pippen?” Answer=zero. By relaying this thought, mostly Bryant fans attempt to minimize Jordan’s ability to win it all six times for six times with six Finals MVP’s. I contend that Pippen was incapable of bringing Jordan a ring but was capable of learning from the greatest master player ever and not necessarily by choice but by force. Jordan was the actual architect of Pippen's greatness.


Pippen as 22-Year-Old Rookie: NOT Pippen

As a rookie, Pippen wasn’t good. In fact, he barely displayed rebounding skills and an ability to steal the ball. Pippen became part of Chicago's young forward tandem with Horace Grant, although both came off the bench to back up Brad Sellers and Charles Oakley, respectively, during their rookie seasons. With fellow Bull Michael Jordan as a motivational and instructional mentor, Pippen refined his skills and slowly developed many new ones over the course of his career.

It is easy to see that Pippen had more physical fluidity than fellow rookie Grant and he played small forward, which is a more finesse position. But as a 22 year old rookie, Pippen did little to earn a starting spot against Sellers. As a rookie Pippen did play 79 games but he only shot 46 percent from the field and 17 percent from three range, not to mention a dismal 58 percent from the free throw line.


Michael Begins to Create a Monster

From shooting alone, for his career, Pippen was never able to save Jordan’s career. Pippen averaged 7.9 points as a rookie and while riding the bench for more than half the game (he averaged 21 minutes a game) he was witness to the single greatest player ever seen. Was he inspired? Yes. Was he on the hot seat from Michael? Yes, everyone was. Jordan was so good that he needed a supporting cast that would revolve around his amazing talent. If they resisted they were gone. Pippen didn’t resist: he gave in. When you see Jordan play like he did and you are a rookie, you know your game must improve, fast.

And what a talent Pippen saw as a rookie. Michael Jordan shot 54 percent from the field and 84 percent from the line on his way to 35 points per game and a NBA MVP award to go along with his second (of 10) scoring leader title. Jordan had already tried to beat entire teams by himself in the playoffs but no one man can beat a five-man team. For one play they could but not for the entire game.


Jars of Clay

Jordan was forced to add to his scoring exploits by being everything for the Bulls. He also averaged 5.5 rebounds, 5.9 assists, 3.2 steals and 1.6 blocks per game. How did he manage 5.9 assists per game with people like Oakley, Grant, Pippen and Sellers on his team? He found a way to lead the Bulls in assists because he was constantly double and triple teamed. He learned pass work from Dean Smith at UNC and he knew from winning a national title at age 19 that teamwork was paramount.

Pippen didn’t know much as a rookie. He talked, walked and played like a rookie. Yet when Michael was a rookie, he put in 28.2 points per game on 52 percent shooting and no one taught him to take over as a rookie, or even expected him to. He just did it. Jordan didn’t know who Pippen was when Jordan completed one of the most amazing rookie years ever. Pippen didn’t save Jordan but vice versa. Jordan saw in the young man, a prospect due to his ability to jump and take orders. Pippen was always great at taking orders from Jordan. By 1988, Pippen knew either he would have to improve or be ridiculed, attacked and demolished by Jordan. Pippen was a shy type who thought working hard for Jordan would lead him to a secure spot.


Get Big Son

By the end of 1988, Jordan was truly the greatest player a person could watch, especially on defense. In fact, Jordan was named Defensive Player of the Year in Pippen’s rookie year. Astonishingly Jordan also led the league in scoring. That has never been done before or again, that type of feat would be reserved for the greatest player to ever play the game. But let’s get real; a game comprised of five players at once is not designed to see five versus one man. Therefore it is impossible for a team without five adequate players to win, or in the Bulls case, at least two or three because Jordan was that good.

Jordan had been on a quest since his rookie year to find a player with the passion for winning that he had and there was none around, not on the Bulls at least, so he had to form one. Pippen seemed like the perfect player for Jordan to mold into a player that would serve Jordan and actually be able to play defense alongside him. He was from a small college, he was impressionable and he didn’t talk back much but just listened.

Jordan started working on Pippen as early as his late rookie year. In the offseason Jordan took him under his wing and probably thought, "If I can get this guy to do what I tell him to do and play how I tell him to play, I might finally have a support team to beat the team with the best five guys out there like maybe Parish, McHale, Bird, DJ and Ainge or Kareem, Green, Worthy, Scott and Johnson or Laimbeer, Mahorn, Rodman, Dumars and Thomas."

[TheMan]

[quote]
Materialization

Pippen as a rookie looked nothing like he would the next season although he was still developing, and his development came in the areas that Michael excelled in: defense, scoring, rebounding and passing. After crucial and intense summer workouts, Pippen was now at Jordan

[RRR3]

mmm smack MJ
:biggums:

[egokiller]

How upset are lefail fans that their hero didn't mold anyone unlike MJ? Where are the "breakfast" club testimonies from lebron's teammates? Where's the testimonies of a teammate of lebron doing double practices at his house like what MJ had Pippen do?

Such is the difference between the mentality of a GOAT, and a wannabe that claimed he is the GOAT. :applause:

[bigkingsfan]

Proof? Bleacher lets anyone submit their own content and they publish it.

It be like saying: Pippen made MJ a winner, proof:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/833438-jordan-wouldnt-have-won-all-those-championships-without-pippen

[TheMan]

:biggums:
There are current threads about the MJ/Pippen dynamic. Bran stans claim Pippen was ready from day one to start dominating, simply not true and all you need to do is look at the stats rookie Pippen put up, he wasn't even a starter and didn't play most of the game, couldn't take Brad fukking Sellers starting job for fukks sake. :oldlol:

I know you're a kid and you weren't around in the late 80s/90s but those of us who were, we all heard the stories from MJ, Pippen, Doug Collins, PJax, HoGrant, Johnny Bach etc on how MJ took Pippen under his wing and practiced hard to mold Pippen into the player he later became. It's common knowledge, fool. MJ was a stud early in his career, Pippen slowly developed into the stud he became, with MJ as his mentor. Again, look at Pippen's rookie and sophomore stats, those aren't all time great stats, not by a long shot.

[Turbo Slayer]

TheMan, wanna add me on PS4: TheC_O_B_R_A

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I love you. Alpha. :bowdown:

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[egokiller]

Bran stans claim Pippen was ready from day one to start dominating, simply not true

It's because they are insecure, as their hero never molded anyone like MJ did. :applause:

[TheMan]

Proof? Bleacher lets anyone submit their own content and they publish it.

It be like saying: Pippen made MJ a winner, proof:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/833438-jordan-wouldnt-have-won-all-those-championships-without-pippen


“Michael was great at identifying things,” Krause said. “Would Pippen have been great someplace else? Michael absolutely killed Scottie in practice every day for his first two years. Mike just tore Pip up. He made Pip learn how to compete and forced him into playing hard. Had there not been someone to challenge Scottie like that, I’m not sure what would’ve happened to him.”

Adrian Wojnarowski

:confusedshrug:

[DaHeezy]

Who is this Higgy Apache?

Lol, sounds like another Jordaneer who fabricates more Jordan mythology.

PS, I'm not a Bran Stan

[bigkingsfan]

Adrian Wojnarowski

:confusedshrug:
That's a quote from Krause.

If you want an opinion from Wojnarowski in that article.

Krause didn’t give Jordan everything, but he gave the most. He delivered Jordan history’s greatest coach in Jackson. He gave him Tex Winter and an unstoppable triangle offense. He gave him a Hall of Fame running mate, Scottie Pippen. Jerry Krause gave him a championship cast for three titles, and when Jordan returned from baseball, the GM reshaped the roster for three more championships. Jordan couldn’t do it alone, and never did. Whatever Jordan wants to believe, no one in basketball has ever given more to his greatness than Jerry Krause. No one.

He gave more credit to Krause than Mike in that article.

[DaHeezy]

OP takes some Bleacher Report bias beat writer article and calls it "proof"

Lol.

[sdot_thadon]

Did Mj influence Scottie? Without a doubt. Did he "make" him? Unless he fathered him hell no. I hate when people say this like Scottie wasn't a lotto pick.

And again the real question is: If Mj made Pippen, why'd he only make one? And why didn't he "make" one in Washington?

[72-10]

not sure why this was one starred - it's true, after all

Conversely, don't ignore the fact that practicing against someone with Pippen's 7-3 wingspan will improve one's offensive facets

[TheMan]

TheMan, wanna add me on PS4: TheC_O_B_R_A

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I love you. Alpha. :bowdown:

NOTE: I am not Starface. :no:No

And you're not 14, if you were, you'd be in school, Akrazotile. You're a sad 35 year old loser.

[FultzNationRISE]

TheMan, wanna add me on PS4: TheC_O_B_R_A

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Dont listen to him, the man. He is I and I am him.

Slim with the tilted brim, whats my muthafukkin name.... :pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

[DaHeezy]

Did Mj influence Scottie? Without a doubt. Did he "make" him? Unless he fathered him hell no. I hate when people say this like Scottie wasn't a lotto pick.

And again the real question is: If Mj made Pippen, why'd he only make one? And why didn't he "make" one in Washington?


:applause:

Finally someone with unbias common sense

Why draft a Scottie and create him? Why didn't MJ "Create" Woolridge into Pippen?

Stan logic

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=bigkingsfan]That's a quote from Krause.

If you want an opinion from Wojnarowski in that article.

[I]Krause didn

[bigkingsfan]

Krause did build a great team, no one denies that...he never provided MJ with a bonafide All Star from the get go though, he got a player that needed time to develope, and it's pretty well documented that MJ mentored Pippen, this is a fact. Of course Pippen had the raw physical talent to begin with. He just needed the right player to help bring it out. Again, let's not pretend Pippen was ready from day one, it took him 3 seasons to finally come into his own. If rookie Pippen was 91 Pippen from the get go, the Bulls might've beaten the Pistons at least a year earlier...probably wouldn't have had that migraine before GM 7 of the 90 ECFs.
What's the big deal about this? This is pretty common.
Gary Payton and Kemp didn't become all stars until their 4th year. Malone 3rd, hell, Stockton didn't make it until his 5th year.

[Kblaze8855]

Did Mj influence Scottie? Without a doubt. Did he "make" him? Unless he fathered him hell no. I hate when people say this like Scottie wasn't a lotto pick.

And again the real question is: If Mj made Pippen, why'd he only make one? And why didn't he "make" one in Washington?


People don

[3ball]

For anyone that disagrees, show me a sentence in the OP that you disagree with ..

It's all fact!!!

Pippen was extremely impressionable and was willing to be MJ's apprentice... Everyone associated with the Bulls - from Jerry Krause to Phil to Horace and BJ Armstrong - says that MJ built Pippen and Pippen wouldn't be the same if he'd landed elsewhere

So why should we believe Lebron disciples and MJ haters like Kblaze and sdot? They weren't there and probably never watched in the 80's.. the idea that MJ made Pippen is common knowledge to anyone in the Bulls organization, but now sdot is coming over the top with new rationale why they're all misguided in thinking that... :facepalm

Ultimately, Pppen didn't have the mentality or skills to come in the league and be a star on his own.. the idea that he could develop from 8 ppg rookie to dream-teamer on his own is preposterous

He needed a superstar to develop him, and MJ's athletic game was most like Pippen's (not Magic or Bird), so MJ was the best guy to develop Pippen on both sides of the ball...

Pippen had no use for Magic's baby hook - otoh, MJ's jab-step-slash move was more suited for Pippen's game... Other athletic players like Dominique or Clyde either lacked the textbook footwork (nique'), or lacked the mentality and intensity/drive (Clyde)

Pippen is lucky that he landed next to the goat - the guy that won as "the man" twice as much as anyone in modern history

[Manny98]

Yh we all know MJ is God he's the greatest at everything he's greater than anyone human that's ever lived :rolleyes:

[superduper]

Yh we all know MJ is God he's the greatest at everything he's greater than anyone human that's ever lived :rolleyes:

At basketball yes

[SouBeachTalents]

For anyone that disagrees, show me a sentence in the OP that you disagree with ..

It's all fact!!!

Pippen was extremely impressionable and was willing to be MJ's apprentice... Everyone associated with the Bulls - from Jerry Krause to Phil to Horace and BJ Armstrong - says that MJ built Pippen and Pippen wouldn't be the same if he'd landed elsewhere

So why should we believe Lebron disciples and MJ haters like Kblaze and sdot? They weren't there and probably never watched in the 80's.. the idea that MJ made Pippen is common knowledge to anyone in the Bulls organization, but now sdot is coming over the top with new rationale why they're all misguided in thinking that... :facepalm

Ultimately, Pppen didn't have the mentality or skills to come in the league and be a star on his own.. the idea that he could develop from 8 ppg rookie to dream-teamer on his own is preposterous

He needed a superstar to develop him, and MJ's athletic game was most like Pippen's (not Magic or Bird), so MJ was the best guy to develop Pippen on both sides of the ball...

Pippen had no use for Magic's baby hook - otoh, MJ's jab-step-slash move was more suited for Pippen's game... Other athletic players like Dominique or Clyde either lacked the textbook footwork (nique'), or lacked the mentality and intensity/drive (Clyde)

Pippen is lucky that he landed next to the goat - the guy that won as "the man" twice as much as anyone in modern history
Jordan's lucky he landed Pippen, was 1-9 before he arrived

[Turbo Slayer]

For anyone that disagrees, show me a sentence in the OP that you disagree with ..

It's all fact!!!

Pippen was extremely impressionable and was willing to be MJ's apprentice... Everyone associated with the Bulls - from Jerry Krause to Phil to Horace and BJ Armstrong - says that MJ built Pippen and Pippen wouldn't be the same if he'd landed elsewhere

So why should we believe Lebron disciples and MJ haters like Kblaze and sdot? They weren't there and probably never watched in the 80's.. the idea that MJ made Pippen is common knowledge to anyone in the Bulls organization, but now sdot is coming over the top with new rationale why they're all misguided in thinking that... :facepalm

Ultimately, Pppen didn't have the mentality or skills to come in the league and be a star on his own.. the idea that he could develop from 8 ppg rookie to dream-teamer on his own is preposterous

He needed a superstar to develop him, and MJ's athletic game was most like Pippen's (not Magic or Bird), so MJ was the best guy to develop Pippen on both sides of the ball...

Pippen had no use for Magic's baby hook - otoh, MJ's jab-step-slash move was more suited for Pippen's game... Other athletic players like Dominique or Clyde either lacked the textbook footwork (nique'), or lacked the mentality and intensity/drive (Clyde)

Pippen is lucky that he landed next to the goat - the guy that won as "the man" twice as much as anyone in modern history Put some respect on sdot and kblaze. You still gotta respect us. :coleman:

[Manny98]

It wouldn't suprise me if they started claiming that MJ created the Sun next :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

It wouldn't suprise me if they started claiming that MJ created the Sun next :oldlol:
:roll:

[3ball]

Thread Cliffs

MJ isn't developing complete stiffs into all-time greats - no one can do that

A player needs to be decent enough on their own for MJ to elevate them to all-time great and 6x champ

For example, guys like Sellers and Kwame weren't even good enough to be Jeff Green on their own (Green was a 15-17 ppg player in his best years) - whereas Pippen would be Jeff Green without MJ, and a 6x champ and HOF with MJ

[AirBonner]

What we do know is that MJ put up godly stats on losing teams before Pippen. Those stats did nothing for the team. However once Pippen came into his own he molded MJ from a 1-9 empty stats player to one of the greatest to ever play

[Round Mound]

He made him tougher that's about it. Pippen was a natural in ballhandling game creating passing point-forwards skills. He then developed into one of the best drivers, slashers, finishers, dunkers at his position. His defense at the perimeter was insane in his later years.

[AirBonner]

He made him tougher that's about it. Pippen was a natural in ballhandling game creating passing point-forwards skills. He then developed into one of the best drivers, slashers, finishers, dunkers at his position. His defense at the perimeter was insane in his later years.
Well said. I don

[3ball]

Y
Well said. I don’t understand why 3ball can’t give this guy any credit
RoundMound never played ball... It's obvious because he doesn't think that thousands of hours practicing and playing against the goat offensive player wouldn't vastly improve the skills and moves of a raw talent like Pippen

It's preposterous and incredibly naive

It's especially rich when posters flippantly state their opinions with no basis or backup, that directly contradict virtually everyone that was there at the time (teammates, coaches and general manager said that MJ built Pippen in a variety of ways)

It's funny because Pippen was the one that played on 2 other contenders but did nothing - they infact continued his long history of choking with another legendary choke in the 2000 WCF

[Kblaze8855]

Well said. I don’t understand why 3ball can’t give this guy any credit

You are never going to see him acknowledge that anyone who played with Michael Jordan was great at basketball. Nor that anyone who acknowledges that any of those players were great could be a fan of Jordan. I’m the only Bulls fan left from the old team “Fam” days when we had Khalid El Amin and Tyson Chandler had just been drafted and we thought he’d be a scorer. Jordan and Pippen were both in the NBA when me and a few others still here were posting. The 80s wasn’t even long ago when we started. The 80s were closer to when I got here than like....Steve Nash winning MVPs is to now.

Almost everybody from back then was a fan from the 80s or at least early 90s. Everyone remembered Jordan on the bulls. It was like 3 years before then.

Now I have some psycho pretending none of us remember back in the day and we hate Jordan. The guy I was personally ripping vhs tapes of and uploading on ISH to show young posters before YouTube existed. There are Jordan tribute videos on YouTube but I know for a fact were made from footage of tapes I would dig out of my boxes or order online and spend all day turning into Clips and uploading them for six or seven hours overnight. But I hate Michael Jordan. This dude has posted clips from tapes I personally put on file sharing services like e-mule and paid hosting sites to share with ISH. Guys used to archive the stuff I put on ISH FTP servers and uploaded a lot of it to YouTube years later. Guy shows us clips of shit I may well have been the first to put online 18 years ago. A lot of it is either me or a guy called Vincent da who used to post here. Shit is just funny really. Guy makes reality whatever it needs to be.

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]People don

[3ball]

You guys are shook because you're lying and overgeneralizing

I say Pippen is a great player all the time.. Just because I think Jimmy Butler is better, doesn't mean I don't think Pippen was great...

But MJ made him great... Just like if any 18/7/5 player had 6 rings - the stats, clutch and big moments (zero for Pip in all three) wouldn't qualify him - it's the rings that elevate his stature and pedestrian production

So to summarize - I've said Pippen is a great player, but I think Butler is better.... and it's historical fact that Pippen is the least star help of any multiple-time champion (#1 option)..

Finally, the stats show that MJ won with the least help - no one in history won more playoff series and Finals with 15 ppg on 33-40% shooting from his 2nd option... No one is close to this track record of winning with shit help.

Also, everyone else lost many times with 27+ ppg sidekicks, while the best Pippen-help that MJ lost with was 10 ppg in the 88' ECSF and 89' ECF - this excludes MJ's baseball year and the Pip migraine, when MJ lost with 19 ppg and 16 ppg from pip, on about 42%...

Like, you can't make these stats up - MJ won with the least, which includes Pippen

[AirBonner]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You are never going to see him acknowledge that anyone who played with Michael Jordan was great at basketball. Nor that anyone who acknowledges that any of those players were great could be a fan of Jordan. I

[3ball]

Shit that is funny :oldlol: almost feel bad for people like him. Can never really enjoy the game for what it is. A game.


Enjoy today's hand-off, 3-point contest?

:oldlol:

It's not basketball, like the goat coach of today's era said it wasn't (below)

I pity people who do like today's game.. What a waste of time and thinking 3-and-D is hoops... You couldn't pay me to sit through an NBA game





Shit that is funny :oldlol: almost feel bad for people like him. Can never really enjoy the game for what it is. A game.



The GOAT coach is with me on this - he says "there's no basketball anymore" and "it's pretty boring"


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But tell me internet poster - why I should listen to you over the GOAT coach.... :kobe:

[sdot_thadon]

You guys are shook because you're lying and overgeneralizing
snip-- cause trash doesn't need a repost so here's a better version

On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested from all his work.

On the 8th day he came out of retirement and created Scottie Pippen.....oh and The Jordan 11......

Summary of your participation. As a teen I felt i was the biggest Mj stan alive, as an adult I see I couldn't possibly have held a candle to the trainwreck(pun intended) that is your adult infatuation/delusion. You're just a Mj diick defending comment away from the stan achievement award.

Thread cliffs: If Mj made Scottie, why'd he stop at 1?

Does this also mean he made the rest of he bulls whom are regarded by you as scrubs?

These are the real questions that need real answers.

[3ball]

Summary of your participation. As a teen I felt i was the biggest Mj stan alive, as an adult I see I couldn't possibly have held a candle to the trainwreck(pun intended) that is your adult infatuation/delusion. You're just a Mj diick defending comment away from the stan achievement award.

Thread cliffs: If Mj made Scottie, why'd he stop at 1?

Does this also mean he made the rest of he bulls whom are regarded by you as scrubs?

These are the real questions that need real answers.
guys like Orlando Woolridge, BJ Armstrong and Grant all grew by leaps and bounds next to MJ... Bird said MJ was working miracles with Woolridge and that Woolridge would be an all-star for years to come.... Now Bird didn't know that Woolridge was a cokehead and flame-out, but we saw what happened when MJ got another elite athlete sidekick that was clean (6x champ pip)

But you should know that MJ isn't developing complete stiffs into all-time greats - no one can do that

A player needs to be decent enough on their own for MJ to elevate them to all-time great and 6x champ

For example, guys like Sellers and Kwame weren't even good enough to be Jeff Green on their own (Green was a 15-17 ppg player in his best years) - whereas Pippen would be Jeff Green without MJ, and a 6x champ and HOF with MJ

Hope that helps...

[Turbo Slayer]

.

Almost everybody from back then was a fan from the 80s or at least early 90s. Everyone remembered Jordan on the bulls. It was like 3 years before then.

Now I have some psycho pretending none of us remember back in the day and we hate Jordan. The guy I was personally ripping vhs tapes of and uploading on ISH to show young posters before YouTube existed. There are Jordan tribute videos on YouTube but I know for a fact were made from footage of tapes I would dig out of my boxes or order online and spend all day turning into Clips and uploading them for six or seven hours overnight. But I hate Michael Jordan.

Just to confirm, you hate Michael Jordan, Kblaze?

[Kblaze8855]

Apparently. Off the top of my head Tim Duncan and Bird are the only two all-time great

[Turbo Slayer]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Apparently. Off the top of my head Tim Duncan and Bird are the only two all-time great

[sdot_thadon]

That guy is an idiot, there's rarely a basketball fan, let alone a fan hardcore enough to waste all the time we do here and similar places that hates Michael Jordan. Sure there's a handful out there that have their reasons due to team loyalty or whatever but a basketball junkie that hates Mj?:oldlol: Honestly I'm not totally convinced 3ball doesn't hate Mj himself. What he does here is the polar opposite of flattering to a player like Jordans legacy.

[tpols]

an NBA lotto pick... nope.

maybe enhanced for sure, but he still had a chance in any decent environment to be a perennial all star type.

[tpols]

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thats pretty ironic considering the fact that when pop's teams got old their whole offense was geared into a 3 pt chucking machine beginning with danny green breaking a series record for them in 2013.

[Leviathon1121]

Nailed it. That's exactly the tone I typed it in Kblaze.:cheers:


Mj hater?:whatever: I'm just one of the rare guys who happens to be a close to equal fan of both Mj and Lebron. And if I'm going to compare them in any way I preferably like to do it on equal terms, no different standards for the same conversation bullshit guys like yourself pull here daily. So no, I don't hate Mj, I hate the idiotic way you continue to present my 2 favorite players ever.
It’s funny, you don’t seem to have any problem at all with the endless threads trashing previous players and eras with the sole purpose of minimizing Jordan’s accomplishments. Not much equality there.

[sdot_thadon]

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]It

[superduper]

It’s funny, you don’t seem to have any problem at all with the endless threads trashing previous players and eras with the sole purpose of minimizing Jordan’s accomplishments. Not much equality there.

It's actually quite funny that every "unbias" poster here conveniently sucks brans nuts like no tomorrow and says absolutely NOTHING when people are saying shit like Payton was 6'0 and other nonsense like that

[Kblaze8855]

It's actually quite funny that every "unbias" poster here conveniently sucks brans nuts like no tomorrow and says absolutely NOTHING when people are saying shit like Payton was 6'0 and other nonsense like that


Whats quite funny is how many of those posters are permabanned while youre still here exactly as terrible as they are while I pretend not to notice....and then you complain about unfair treatment of your side.

[Leviathon1121]

You can remind me if and when you see me in one of those threads. You need a new irony/sarcasm/bs detector if you feel those threads the kids make are serious. I mean they are pretty transparent in what are blatant trolls to bother guys like you. Guys like 3ball on the other hand take this seriously and do a bad job of it. If you're using this post to say you think 3ball makes sense we have nothing to discuss. You can't be so wound up in MJ's legacy that you get offended by me saying he had more talent than his opposition yet in the same breath bash his teammates, current stars or even legends like Lebron and expect everyone to nod in agreement.
I don

[TheMan]

thats pretty ironic considering the fact that when pop's teams got old their whole offense was geared into a 3 pt chucking machine beginning with danny green breaking a series record for them in 2013.
Those Spurs played way different than today's constant 3pt chucking contest AKA NBA basketball game. The focal point was still Timmy D, they played inside out, with Green, Manu, Marco and that Australian dude encouraged to take the open three when it was there. Too many teams nowadays hoist 3pters first chance they get, even on fastbreaks :facepalm

[paksat]

pippen has kobe and lebronze fans propping him up to be something he's not, he's gotta be enjoying retirement cuz he never asked for this...

it'd be like me being there on the bulls instead of pippen and having millions of people going, "yah but man without pakGOD man, jordan never would have gotten any of that.."

meanwhile i'd be over here like.. :roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

pippen has kobe and lebronze fans propping him up to be something he's not, he's gotta be enjoying retirement cuz he never asked for this...

it'd be like me being there on the bulls instead of pippen and having millions of people going, "yah but man without pakGOD man, jordan never would have gotten any of that.."

meanwhile i'd be over here like.. :roll:

Pippen was a Top 1~ player for most of the 90s.

He doesn't need propping up.

[bigkingsfan]

Pippen was a Top 1~ player for most of the 90s.

He doesn't need propping up.
He was named the top 50 all time player in 1996 with three championships. "These fifty players were selected through a vote by a panel of media members, former players and coaches, and current and former general manager."

Way before people knew who the hell Kobe/Lebron was.

[TheMan]

Just to be clear, I don't agree with 3ball denigrating Pippen, my point was that Pippen flourished under MJ. I'm not the only one who says that Pippen probably wouldn't have been the player he became if he was drafted by another team (yeah I know he was drafted by Seattle and traded to the Bulls for Olden Polynice :lol ). Others in the Bulls organization have said this, even Pip himself has said that he learned a lot from MJ practicing hard against each other every day. He's an all time great, top 25-30 IMO. Reason #2 right behind MJ on why they won 6 titles. Not bad for a guy who was seen as a project coming from a small school in Arkansas...

The haters will still say 1-9 and that Pip saved MJ's career but they never mention that had Bird not have had HOFers like McHale, Parish and DJ or Magic not having KAJ and Worthy, these players might not have had as much success as they did.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He was named the top 50 all time player in 1996 with three championships. "These fifty players were selected through a vote by a panel of media members, former players and coaches, and current and former general manager."

Way before people knew who the hell Kobe/Lebron was.

I meant Top 10 lol

But yea... Pippen got better with MJ, and probably maxed out with Chicago. He wasn't made by Jordan though. That's silly talk.

[Manny98]

Pippen is EASILY a top 10 player of the 90s, arguably top 5

I remember Dr J saying Pippen was the second best American player on the planet only behind MJ

It's disgusts me the lengths MJ stans go to discredit Pippen to prop up their hero :facepalm

[paksat]

LOL jordan said in his own book one of the reasons he went to play baseball was because he was tired of some of the bulls saying the bulls only won because of them.


Let's count scottie's rings without mj wheels, how many fingers you got? cuz you don't need any :lol

[DaHeezy]

LOL jordan said in his own book one of the reasons he went to play baseball was because he was tired of some of the bulls saying the bulls only won because of them.


Let's count scottie's rings without mj wheels, how many fingers you got? cuz you don't need any :lol

Count the rings on Jordan's fingers without Scottie you idiot. :facepalm
Morons like you are the reason why 1-9 even exists. Pakrat may be on the same level as 3ball and soortjames23 as the most insecure Jordaneers on ISH. Scratch that, on planet earth

[DaHeezy]

Pippen was a Top 1~ player for most of the 90s.

He doesn't need propping up.

We all know you are a Jordan fan. With this statement dummies like Pakrat probably think you're a Lebron stan :lol

See how irrational Jordan stans are?

[Manny98]

LOL jordan said in his own book one of the reasons he went to play baseball was because he was tired of some of the bulls saying the bulls only won because of them.


Let's count scottie's rings without mj wheels, how many fingers you got? cuz you don't need any :lol
Yh and let's count MJs rings with Scottie, how many fingers you got?

Cuz you don't need any :oldlol:

[TheMan]

Pippen is EASILY a top 10 player of the 90s, arguably top 5

I remember Dr J saying Pippen was the second best American player on the planet only behind MJ

It's disgusts me the lengths MJ stans go to discredit Pippen to prop up their hero :facepalm
Top 10 sure, not top 5 in the 90s.

Second best player behind MJ if we pretend that Barkley, Malone, Drexler, Ewing, Shaq, DRobinson and Hakeem didn't exist in the early to mid 90s, and going into the late 90s I have Mourning, CWeber, Penny, GHill, GPayton, KG as better players.

Peak prime Pippen in the mid 90s is still not top 5, arguably just outside top 5. No way was he the second best player in the NBA at any point in the 90s lol.

Quit trolling.

[Turbo Slayer]

Top 10 sure, not top 5 in the 90s.

Second best player behind MJ if we pretend that Barkley, Malone, Ewing, Shaq, DRobinson and Hakeem didn't exist in the early to mid 90s, and going into the late 90s I have Mourning, CWeber, Penny, GHill, GPayton, KG as better players.

Peak prime Pippen in the mid 90s is still not top 5, arguably just outside top 5. No way was he the second best player in the NBA at any point in the 90s lol.

Quit trolling.
Hi TheMan what's up brother? :rockon:

[ImKobe]

Pippen is EASILY a top 10 player of the 90s, arguably top 5

I remember Dr J saying Pippen was the second best American player on the planet only behind MJ

It's disgusts me the lengths MJ stans go to discredit Pippen to prop up their hero :facepalm

MJ
Hakeem
Barkley
Duncan
Robinson
Drexler
Ewing
Malone
Stockon
Payton

Are all easily better than Pippen if we talk about the 90s... you got guys like Kevin Johnson, Shaq, Penny, Zo you could also make arguments for as far as individual play goes.

There's no way in hell Pippen's top 5 in the 90s :facepalm . He lost in the 2nd round without MJ and was barely at .500 the year after before Jordan came back and bailed the team out. You could argue his defense but he can't compete with the overall defensive impact guys like Hakeem, Ewing and D-Rob had on their defenses. You're delusional if you think he was anything more than a great 2nd option.

[TheMan]

Hi TheMan what's up brother? :rockon:
Fukk off Chris :lol

[Turbo Slayer]

Fukk off Chris :lol
I finished school at 2:15. Boring as hell. And tip: don't be negative! #StayBlessed :applause: Love you.

[Manny98]

MJ
Hakeem
Barkley
Duncan
Robinson
Drexler
Ewing
Malone
Stockon
Payton

Are all easily better than Pippen if we talk about the 90s... you got guys like Kevin Johnson, Shaq, Penny, Zo you could also make arguments for as far as individual play goes.

There's no way in hell Pippen's top 5 in the 90s :facepalm . He lost in the 2nd round without MJ and was barely at .500 the year after before Jordan came back and bailed the team out. You could argue his defense but he can't compete with the overall defensive impact guys like Hakeem, Ewing and D-Rob had on their defenses. You're delusional if you think he was anything more than a great 2nd option.
How do are Stockton Payton and Drexler easily better than Pippen :oldlol:

Peak Pippen was second in MVP voting ahead of guys like Robinson and Barkley and Dr J said himself that Pippen was the second best American player on the planet

I'm saying he's top 5 but he definitely has an argument

[TheMan]

How do are Stockton Payton and Drexler easily better than Pippen :oldlol:

Peak Pippen was second in MVP voting ahead of guys like Robinson and Barkley and Dr J said himself that Pippen was the second best American player on the planet

I'm saying he's top 5 but he definitely has an argument
Peak Rose in 2011 was MVP but I wouldn't say he was a better overall player than James, Wade, Howard, Dirk or Kobe just off the top of my head :confusedshrug:

[Manny98]

Peak Rose in 2011 was MVP but I wouldn't say he was a better overall player than James, Wade, Howard, Dirk or Kobe just off the top of my head :confusedshrug:
What a dumb comparison Rose only played at that level for one season whilst Pippen sustained it for a entire decade :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

How do are Stockton Payton and Drexler easily better than Pippen :oldlol:

Peak Pippen was second in MVP voting ahead of guys like Robinson and Barkley and Dr J said himself that Pippen was the second best American player on the planet

I'm saying he's top 5 but he definitely has an argument

Those guys had better individual seasons and led teams to more wins as the best player. Stockton is arguable but I think he had better peak seasons in that decade and came up bigger in certain series than Pippen ever did. He didn't have the advantage of playing with the GOAT.

Pippen was hyped in 1994 but he didn't play better than Robinson or Barkley, guys who actually won an MVP while leading their teams to 60+ wins.

Pippen was somehow 3rd in the 1994 MVP voting behind Hakeem and D-Rob. D-Rob led the league in scoring while averaging 30/11/5/2/3 and winning the same amount of games with a much worse supporting cast. Shaq should have been ahead of Pippen too.

Barkley missed over a quarter of the '94 season, it was a down year for him.

[SouBeachTalents]

MJ
Hakeem
Barkley
Duncan
Robinson
Drexler
Ewing
Malone
Stockon
Payton

Are all easily better than Pippen if we talk about the 90s... you got guys like Kevin Johnson, Shaq, Penny, Zo you could also make arguments for as far as individual play goes.

There's no way in hell Pippen's top 5 in the 90s :facepalm . He lost in the 2nd round without MJ and was barely at .500 the year after before Jordan came back and bailed the team out. You could argue his defense but he can't compete with the overall defensive impact guys like Hakeem, Ewing and D-Rob had on their defenses. You're delusional if you think he was anything more than a great 2nd option.
Duncan played two seasons in the 90's, absolutely ridiculous he'd even be in the discussion :oldlol:

And nah, Stockton and Payton were far from being "easily better" than Pippen, what a ridiculously hyperbolic statement

[ImKobe]

Duncan played two seasons in the 90's, absolutely ridiculous he'd even be in the discussion :oldlol:

And nah, Stockton and Payton were far from being "easily better" than Pippen, what a ridiculously hyperbolic statement

Duncan carried a team to a championship as the best player. That's better than anything Pippen did in the 90s. 27/14 in the Finals with a FMVP, name me a better individual series or accomplishment from Pippen in that decade. Duncan reached a higher level in his 2nd season than Pippen ever did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan carried a team to a championship as the best player. That's better than anything Pippen did in the 90s. 27/14 in the Finals with a FMVP, name me a better individual series or accomplishment from Pippen in that decade. Duncan reached a higher level in his 2nd season than Pippen ever did.
Isiah Thomas did nearly the same thing in 1990, yet you don't see anyone rank him above Pippen on any 90's player ranking, and he actually made 4 All-Star games in the 90's

[TheMan]

What a dumb comparison Rose only played at that level for one season whilst Pippen sustained it for a entire decade :oldlol:
Hindsight is 20/20...Rose couldn't maintain that level because he got the first of many serious injuries the next season :facepalm

My point is that to win an MVP, you don't necessarily have to be top 5 player in the league...you really think Steve Nash was top 5 when he won? Better overall player than Kobe, Shaq, KG, Dirk, Wade or Duncan? Lol

[RRR3]

Hindsight is 20/20...Rose couldn't maintain that level because he got the first of many serious injuries the next season :facepalm

My point is that to win an MVP, you don't necessarily have to be top 5 player in the league...you really think Steve Nash was top 5 when he won? Better overall player than Kobe, Shaq, KG, Dirk, Wade or Duncan? Lol
Nice job leaving out LeBeast.

Hater confirmed.

[Manny98]

Nice job leaving out LeBeast.

Hater confirmed.
LeBron got dem shook :oldlol:

[LAmbruh]

Professor Manny doing what he does best


Giving free seminars for MJ stans who never seen MJ play :applause:

[egokiller]

That guy is an idiot, there's rarely a basketball fan, let alone a fan hardcore enough to waste all the time we do here and similar places that hates Michael Jordan. Sure there's a handful out there that have their reasons due to team loyalty or whatever but a basketball junkie that hates Mj?:oldlol: Honestly I'm not totally convinced 3ball doesn't hate Mj himself. What he does here is the polar opposite of flattering to a player like Jordans legacy.

3ball done mindfvcked this poor fella to the point of no return. :roll:

[paksat]

let's count the number of hall of fame players that MJgold and lebronze have played with

I'll let the lebronze stans start, how many hall of famers has lebronze played with guys?????

[3ball]

I keep hearing people say "I don't agree with 3ball"

But there's nothing to agree with

Firstly, all I've done is post Pippen's stats showing he was horrific in MANY series - if prime KG averaged 15 on 34% in the Finals like 96' Pippen, it would be viewed as a black mark on his career - no one would give 2 bird shits about his defense.. Pippen infact had many series like this

Secondly, all I've done is post quotes from Isiah, who said the 93' Bulls were a 1-man team, and Krause saying MJ built Pippen and Pippen wouldn't be shit without him

So again, there's nothing to "agree" with - it's just stats and quotes - MJ built Pippen and this is common knowledge... People simply won't admit I'm right (even though we're saying the same thing) because of my know-it-all posting style - it's hella weak - I don't have to like someone to admit their right... it shows insecurity

[3ball]

3ball done mindfvcked this poor fella to the point of no return. :roll:

sdot is salty about the post below where I simultaneously made my argument while shutting down every counter argument he has.... :yaohappy:.. he stopped responding after this:





guys like Orlando Woolridge, BJ Armstrong and Grant all grew by leaps and bounds next to MJ... Bird said MJ was working miracles with Woolridge and that Woolridge would be an all-star for years to come.... Now Bird didn't know that Woolridge was a cokehead and flame-out, but we saw what happened when MJ got another elite athlete sidekick that was clean (6x champ pip)

But you should know that MJ isn't developing complete stiffs into all-time greats - no one can do that

A player needs to be decent enough on their own for MJ to elevate them to all-time great and 6x champ

For example, guys like Sellers and Kwame weren't even good enough to be Jeff Green on their own (Green was a 15-17 ppg player in his best years) - whereas Pippen would be Jeff Green without MJ, and a 6x champ and HOF with MJ

Hope that helps

[OldSchoolBBall]

Pippen would have been a good/great player regardless, but he DEFINITELY wouldn't have become the exact same player he became if he never played with Jordan, and anyone who doesn't believe that is kidding themselves. It's not a coincidence that one of the greatest perimeter defensive players of all time and greatest 2-way players of all time (Pippen) JUST HAPPENED TO BE playing alongside ANOTHER of the greatest defenders of all time and 2-way players of all time (Jordan).

Pippen would have been like Derrick McKey with better offense or Detlef Schrempf with better defense. A 16-20/8/6 type player annually.

[ImKobe]

Isiah Thomas did nearly the same thing in 1990, yet you don't see anyone rank him above Pippen on any 90's player ranking, and he actually made 4 All-Star games in the 90's

I was counting from the beginning of the 90-91 season but yes, you could also point to Zeke in 1990.

Pippen gets way overrated because he rode MJ's coattails for all those championships. You can't give me one series where Pippen outproduced MJ, you can't give me one big game where Pippen saved the day. Jordan was always carrying the offense while also playing on the same level as Pippen on the defensive side. It's not a Kobe & Shaq situation where Kobe would dominate against the Blazers/Spurs/Kings to make the Finals and Shaq would dominate the inferior Finals competition. Pippen was always the 2nd option. He scored 30+ points 3 whole times in 6 title runs. He was never asked to carry an offense or to take over in crunch time. He always had the GOAT winning the games for him.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

As far as a talent Bulls Pippen was very comparable to Philly Iggy. They even had a sitdown where both agreed it was like watching a mirror of themselves


“I see that being true,” Pippen said. “I think we have a lot of similarities on the basketball court, the way we play the game, the skill level, our athleticism, the little things we do on the court — or I did on the court — that don’t show up on the stat sheet.

“Andre doesn’t always get the assist, but he makes the pass that leads to the assist. It’s all predicated on his ability to do multiple things on the court — rebound, come up with steals, lead the team in transition.”


“He’s one of the most fundamentally sound players I’ve ever seen in my life,” Kerr said. “And when you combine that fundamental play with athleticism, that’s a pretty good combination. He reminds me a lot of Scottie Pippen. He really does, in terms of defensive acumen and his ability to play a point-forward role.

We talk a lot about MJ, Scottie and those teams. He was a kid watching and absorbing everything, and so I’ve told him many times he reminds me of Scottie. He’s probably the smartest defensive player I ever played with, and most versatile.”

2 of the GOAT perimeter defenders specially man to man. Very strong and athletic. Iggy is one of the strongest most athletic wings ever in particular . Fastbreak, pushing the pace, raining trailing 3s. Strong rebounders, very good playmakers for their offenses often times the lead in certain sets.

Difference was mainly scoring where Pippen had a reliable post game while Iggy didnt. But Iggy showed up on the biggest stage more consistently and was way more clutch...on both ends but specially shotmaking and plays on offense. Iggy outplayed a prime Bran and Steph in a finals to win FMVP. He played some of the best defense possible on a prime Bran, KD, Kawhi (he locked Kawhi down when he was on him, alot of his damage was on other players) etc. Pip had some moments against Magic but he got torched later in that series too. He couldnt defend guys on that level consistently..........

Nuggets/early Warriors Iggy before the back issues were starting to take their toll from 2016 (and he had some GOAT 6th man years after too) was very comparable to Rockets/Blazers Pip as well

so when the babybois try to hype up Pip, just remember.........hes a mentally weaker and unclutch version of Andre Iguodala with a post game

[sdot_thadon]

sdot is salty about the post below where I simultaneously made my argument while shutting down every counter argument he has.... :yaohappy:.. he stopped responding after this:
:oldlol: at the notion that this hypocritical post made me stop commenting. Bro you're now saying Mj elevated Woolridge, after maintaining all this time he was trash and that's why Mj couldn't win playoff games. :wtf: And Mj not only failed to make a pippen out of Kwame, he destroyed the kid mentally and he never recovered. Were talking a prep to pros highschool kid, Mj molded him into an underachieving piece of shit according to Mj and Kobe stans..... Again which one was it? Did he "make" pippen great and in return "make" everyone else shit? Or was he lucky to have a talent with the upside Scottie had, and had a hand in influencing him? Did Mj "make" Grant too? Because this place can't seem to decide if Horace was a mention worthy teammate or not.

I'll repeat it until it's answered, anyone jump in and solve the mystery:

If Mj "made" Pippen, why in the hell didn't he use his celestial powers of creation to "make" 10 more of them? There's no way he goes 1-9 or struggled with Detroit those years.

[TheMan]

Nice job leaving out LeBeast.

Hater confirmed.
I also left out other players who were better overall players when Nash won his MVPs like VC, McGrady, Yao...calm your tits bro.

[Phoenix]

Peak Pippen was second in MVP voting ahead of guys like Robinson and Barkley and Dr J said himself that Pippen was the second best American player on the planet



First, his highest MVP vote was 3rd( not a major difference, but still).

Second, I'd like to see that Dr.J quote about 2nd best American player, but taking it at face value you have Shaq and David Robinson who would be generally considered better in 94. That's 2 American players right there. Barkley may be debatable because he wasn't as good as his MVP year, but I don't think that's an open and shut case. Mailman was doing 25/11/4 that year as well.'Pippen was the second best American player' in 94 needs a tad more breakdown.

[Manny98]

First, his highest MVP vote was 3rd( not a major difference, but still).

Second, I'd like to see that Dr.J quote about 2nd best American player, but taking it at face value you have Shaq and David Robinson who would be generally considered better in 94. That's 2 American players right there. Barkley may be debatable because he wasn't as good as his MVP year, but I don't think that's an open and shut case. Mailman was doing 25/11/4 that year as well.'Pippen was the second best American player' in 94 needs a tad more breakdown.
30 seconds into the video Dr J states the Bulls have two of the top 3 American players on the team (Jordan & Pippen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57WjbKSoJ0

[Phoenix]

30 seconds into the video Dr J states the Bulls have two of the top 3 American players on the team (Jordan & Pippen)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p57WjbKSoJ0

I'm not going to get into what will end up an obvious 'random poster arguing his opinion against an NBA legend' circle, so I'll ask you in what years do YOU believe that statement to be accurate? The video isn't specific about what year is being referenced but even still..... Pick any year that MJ and Pippen played together, presumably between 91 and 98 when they were winning championships.

[Manny98]

I'm not going to get into what will end up an obvious 'random poster arguing his opinion against an NBA legend' circle, so I'll ask you in what years do YOU believe that statement to be accurate? The video isn't specific about what year is being referenced but even still..... Pick any year that MJ and Pippen played together, presumably between 91 and 98 when they were winning championships.
I'm not saying I agree with his statement, I am just using it as an example to show people clearly thought of Pippen as a top 5 player in the league during the 90s.

Pippen was never a top 3 American player imo but was top 5 in 94 & 96

[3ball]

I'm not saying I agree with his statement, I am just using it as an example to show people clearly thought of Pippen as a top 5 player in the league during the 90s.

Pippen was never a top 3 American player imo but was top 5 in 94 & 96
Pippen could only elevate the Bulls to 7th best defense during the 1st three-peat (7th, 4th, and 7th ranking), yet his defense is supposed to erase many series where he had 15 ppg on 33-40%???... Garnett was a much better defender, and we'd never accept 15 on 33% from him in his prime .. the anti-MJ media has simply revised history on Pippen - guys like Isiah Thomas who called the Bulls a 1-man team at the time in 1993, now sing a different time 20 years later as part of the mainstream media fraud conglomerate

Did Pippen lead a team to the Finals twice, or average 26 against the Bad Boys, or 25 and 30 ppg against the likes of Jordan and others?....So how is Pippen better than Drexler?

People are counting his 6 rings as part of him being "good" - but for non-franchise players that's a Robert Horry argument

Also, lots of guys are top 5 MVP but aren't top 5 players... Top 5 MVP voting doesn't equal top 5 player

You guys can continue to compare Pippen's best year to other guys' worst years if you want, but the reality is that Pippen was never thought of as better than Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Malone, Barkley, Shaq, Drexler, Duncan, 90's Grant Hill, 90's Penny, Stockton, and more... And many guys in various seasons were better like 96' Payton or Kemp, 98' Vin Baker, 97' Mason, Alonzo, and more.. Tim Hardaway was 1st team all-nba and a 20 ppg and 10 apg guy .... prime KJ was better.... guys like Derrick Coleman were more talented but never had the guidance that Pippen got.
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[bigkingsfan]

the anti-MJ media has simply revised history on Pippen - guys like Isiah Thomas who called the Bulls a 1-man team at the time in 1993, now sing a different time 20 years later as part of the mainstream media fraud conglomerate
Nope, he was voted top 50 all time in 1996 with three rings, by :

"panel of media members, former players and coaches, and current and former general manager."

[Vino24]

Pippen elevated the Bulls from first round shark food to title champions

[3ball]

Nope, he was voted top 50 all time in 1996 with three rings, by :

"panel of media members, former players and coaches, and current and former general manager."


Isiah and Magic called the Bulls a 1-man team in the middle of the 1993 Finals

By 1996, Pippen had an unprecedented 3-peat on his resume and 70-win season, so he got the often-bashed Robert Horry treatment that year (boosting a non-franchise player solely based on ring count)... many said that Dominique and others deserved it instead

Pippen could only elevate the Bulls to 7th best defense during the 1st three-peat (7th, 4th, and 7th ranking), yet his defense is supposed to erase many series where he had 15 ppg on 33-40%???... Garnett was a much better defender, and we'd never accept 15 on 33% from him in his prime.. so why do we accept it from Pippen?... It's a combination of Jordan fatigue and erroneous Robert Horry logic (boosting a non-franchise player solely based on ring count)

[Manny98]

[I]Isiah and Magic called the Bulls a 1-man team in the middle of the 1993 Finals

Proof?

[3ball]

Proof?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=01m33s


But watch from the 16 second mark, where Magic says the same thing (that the Bulls cast was weak)

Btw, I've posted this a dozen different times

[bigkingsfan]

Isiah and Magic called the Bulls a 1-man team in the middle of the 1993 Finals

By 1996, Pippen had an unprecedented 3-peat on his resume and 70-win season, so he got the often-bashed Robert Horry treatment that year (boosting a non-franchise player solely based on ring count)... many said that Dominique and others deserved it instead

Pippen could only elevate the Bulls to 7th best defense during the 1st three-peat (7th, 4th, and 7th ranking), yet his defense is supposed to erase many series where he had 15 ppg on 33-40%???... Garnett was a much better defender, and we'd never accept 15 on 33% from him in his prime.. so why do we accept it from Pippen?... It's a combination of Jordan fatigue and erroneous Robert Horry logic (boosting a non-franchise player solely based on ring count)
1996 entire panel of voters > cherry pick quotes

Pippen added three first team, while also being 1st team defensive. One year without MJ, winning the all star game mvp that year.

[RRR3]

Good to know we’re taking Isiah Thomas’ opinions as facts because he says LeBron is the GOAT.