Lead Investigator: Amber Guyger, Wrong-Apartment Killer, Didn't Commit a Crime

[MaxFly]

I'd say this was a whole new world, but I'm oddly not surprised. The lead investigator, incidentally, is a black man, underscoring the fact that these sorts of things are first a police problem... not simply a race problem.


Lead investigator in wrong-apartment killing says he doesn't believe Amber Guyger committed a crime (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/lead-investigator-wrong-apartment-killing-says-doesnt-believe-185100432--abc-news-topstories.html)

The lead investigator in the wrong-apartment killing of an innocent man by a former Dallas police officer on trial for murder claimed on Wednesday that the officer did not commit a crime based on the totality of the evidence.

The stunning pronouncement by Texas Ranger David Armstrong, the lead homicide investigator on the high-profile case, came while he was under cross-examination by an attorney for fired police officer Amber Guyger but not while the jury was present in the courtroom.

"After finishing your investigation and looking at the totality of the circumstances, and considering everything, do you believe today that you have probable cause to believe that Amber Guyger committed a crime?" defense attorney Robert Rogers asked Armstrong, who replied, "Based on the totality of the circumstances, based on the complete investigation, no sir."

[highwhey]

This is just bs on so many levels. It should be indefensible...blue line wins again :rolleyes:

Let me know when normal citizens can get away with breaking into someone's home and shooting them dead.

[FultzNationRISE]

Really tragic story all around. Having lived in apts all my adult life I can attest to having walked into the wrong unit inadvertently on more than one occasion, and have had people walk inadvertently into my unit (lol) on more than one occasion. I feel extremely fortunate no harm ever came of it.

Which is why I can easily believe this was a genuine accident, and therefore doesnt constitute “murder.” It was definitely negligent, and if youre going to carry a gun on you and shoot intruders in your home... you have to be SUPER careful about going into your own home.

Not a legal expert but some degree of manslaughter seems more appropriate. I wouldnt support a lengthy jail sentence bc I believe theres nothing to “rehabilitate” or protect society from. Most of the sentence should be served as community work, paying restitution, whatever. Murder just doesnt seem like an appropriate charge if theres no evidence to support this being anything other than a tragic accident.

Not sure what OP means about a “police problem.” This could happen to anyone.

[Proctor]

Really tragic story all around. Having lived in apts all my adult life I can attest to having walked into the wrong unit inadvertently on more than one occasion, and have had people walk inadvertently into my unit (lol) on more than one occasion. I feel extremely fortunate no harm ever came of it.
Yeah, but living in the basement, you're more safe. It's your mom we'd have to worry about.

[highwhey]

Yeah, but living in the basement, you're more safe. It's your mom we'd have to worry about.
:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

I had a girl walk into my old apartment.

I heard it from upstairs and was like WTF.

She started giggling and walked out.

[highwhey]

I had a girl walk into my old apartment.

I heard it from upstairs and was like WTF.

She started giggling and walked out.
but they didn't shoot you.

shooting someone involves thought.

the guy was sitting on his couch eating vanilla ice cream.

had he been holding a knife chopping green bell peppers...different story.

https://youtu.be/nX-PSnkmDvE

[stalkerforlife]

but they didn't shoot you.

shooting someone involves thought.

the guy was sitting on his couch eating vanilla ice cream.

had he been holding a knife chopping green bell peppers...different story.

https://youtu.be/nX-PSnkmDvE

Yeah.

Crazy story.

I'd go with manslaughter unless there's proof they had some sort of relationship and she was jaded.

3-5 years, probation, etc.

But I can understand the family and friends of the man wanting far more.

I just think it may have been accidental.

[highwhey]

Yeah.

Crazy story.

I'd go with manslaughter unless there's proof they had some sort of relationship and she was jaded.

3-5 years, probation, etc.

But I can understand the family and friends of the man wanting far more.

I just think it may have been accidental.
i'd understand manslaughter.

just don't want to see her get off free. she shouldn't be free of real world consequences that normal citizens would face.

[SomeBlackDude]

haven't followed this story at all, just saw a headline about how the chick had been sexting with her partner just before shooting the poor dude. :facepalm

did she and the victim have any past beef or romantic entanglements before she waltzed into his apartment and iced him?

:confusedshrug:

[highwhey]

just in case you want to know more about Texas Ranger David Armstrong.


A fatal traffic wreck involving Texas Ranger David Armstrong of Dallas is a good example of the double standards inside DPS. On February 2, 2017, Ranger Armstrong was returning from a special operations shift on the Mexican border when he crashed his DPS vehicle into a pickup truck, ejecting both the driver and the passenger. After several weeks, a DPS Highway Patrol accident reconstruction team was able to recover the vehicle’s computer to confirm his speed at the time of the crash. He was driving 84 miles per hour on Highway 281 in Premont, where the posted speed limit was45 miles per hour. Ranger Armstrong fractured his hip, and his DPS vehicle burned down to the metal. The passenger of the other vehicle, 30-year-old JD Kristopher Trevino of Premont, died of his injuries five days after the wreck. Even though the accident occurred in Premont city limits, and even though accidents in municipalities are normally investigated by city police, DPS handled the investigation so it could cover up what happened. Among other things, Ranger Armstrong was violating a DPS safety rule at the time of the accident. That rule mandates that officers working on the border take a six-hour rest period before driving home, and the rule had been in effect for more than a year at the time of the accident. Ranger Armstrong had repeatedly violated the rule – a fact known to his supervisors – and he was violating it again when he was driving through Premont at 10:15 p.m. Although most drivers would have been charged with manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, or at least reckless driving, Ranger Armstrong was never charged with anything, nor was he disciplined. Instead, the entire incident was covered up by senior DPS commanders, and Ranger Armstrong is now leading a high-profile investigation into a police shooting in Dallas.

:facepalm

i mean wtf...

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Not sure what OP means about a

[MaxFly]

Yeah.

Crazy story.

I'd go with manslaughter unless there's proof they had some sort of relationship and she was jaded.

3-5 years, probation, etc.

But I can understand the family and friends of the man wanting far more.

I just think it may have been accidental.

I agree that this was a case manslaughter, and though she was charged with murder (I don't know why the DA would go after murder other than the family pushing for it), she can still be found guilty of manslaughter. Manslaughter is a crime though... so the lead investigator, in saying she did not commit a crime, is saying that this shooting doesn't even rise to the level of manslaughter.

[LostCause]

This case is despicable

She should certainly do time. There’s 0 doubt about whether she committed a crime and she definitely deserves to be punished for it. If you flip their roles around and he shot her in her apartment as a normal citizen he’d be staring down life imprisonment and I guarantee the lead investigator wouldn’t be saying he committed no crime

She’s unfit. She’s certainly a danger to people around her if these are the sorts of decisions she makes (Her life was not in danger, so lethal force so quickly without even assessing the situation or her location if she’s to be believed is completely uncalled for)

[MaxFly]

This case is despicable

She should certainly do time. There’s 0 doubt about whether she committed a crime and she definitely deserves to be punished for it. If you flip their roles around and he shot her in her apartment as a normal citizen he’d be staring down life imprisonment and I guarantee the lead investigator wouldn’t be saying he committed no crime

She’s unfit. She’s certainly a danger to people around her if these are the sorts of decisions she makes (Her life was not in danger, so lethal force so quickly without even assessing the situation or her location if she’s to be believed is completely uncalled for)

It's mind boggling, right. The young man was shot sitting on his couch eating ice cream in his apartment, but somehow we are to believe no crime was committed. You flip their roles and this case likely would have been long concluded with him spending a considerable amount of time in prison. That's a problem, especially since no one relaxing in their apartment can stop a police officer from coming in and shooting them because the officer feared for his or her life. You can modify your behavior during a traffic stop. You can stay away from dangerous places and people. You can make sure you dress and carry yourself respectably so as not to appear threatening. You can't really do much about sitting on your couch, eating ice cream, and watching TV in your apartment.

[CelticBaller]

the police force needs an overhaul. This Us vs them mentality has poisoned their minds

[ILLsmak]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Really tragic story all around. Having lived in apts all my adult life I can attest to having walked into the wrong unit inadvertently on more than one occasion, and have had people walk inadvertently into my unit (lol) on more than one occasion. I feel extremely fortunate no harm ever came of it.

Which is why I can easily believe this was a genuine accident, and therefore doesnt constitute

[Patrick Chewing]

Question for all you guys.

How many of you think she actually did this on purpose? How many of you think she decided when she got home that she was going to kill her neighbor?

[highwhey]

Question for all you guys.

How many of you think she actually did this on purpose? How many of you think she decided when she got home that she was going to kill her neighbor?
You're a pathetic cop apologist.

[FultzNationRISE]

She shot the young man. He's dead right now. There were several indicators that she was on the wrong floor and that the apartment she stopped in front of and then entered was not hers, but she was too distracted sexting with her boyfriend to notice. Her immediate response was to pull her weapon and shoot when she discovered him sitting on his couch, from which he apparently hadn't moved since that is where police found his body. Manslaughter is a crime. This investigator is saying that this killing doesn't even rise to the level of manslaughter.

After the shooting, the police executed a warrant to search the young man's apartment and found weed. They promptly released notice of the finding to the public. They did not execute a warrant for Guyger's apartment no release findings on her toxicology report. I'm having a tough time believing that if the young man had walked into the wrong apartment and shot the police officer, that the lead investigator of the incident would be saying that no crime took place in his opinion.


Thats fair. I wasnt sure if the investigator was referring to the specific crime of murder, since thats what shed been charged with. I guess he’s saying she didn't commit any convictable offense.

I agree she definitely seems liable for the charge of some kind of negligent manslaughter. Again Im not an expert on law but some degree of legal accountability would seem like common sense.

[Patrick Chewing]

You're a pathetic cop apologist.


And you're a pathetic blockhead that can't answer some honest questions. Don't be a coward. Answer truthfully.

[highwhey]

And you're a pathetic blockhead that can't answer some honest questions. Don't be a coward. Answer truthfully.
Doesn't matter bc she did end up killing him.

Keep defending this pos pathetic excuse of a human, I'm confident you identify with her bc you too are a pathetic piece of human excrement and like her, you are a criminal.

[Patrick Chewing]

Doesn't matter bc she did end up killing him.

Keep defending this pos pathetic excuse of a human, I'm confident you identify with her bc you too are a pathetic piece of human excrement and like her, you are a criminal.


Why are you having such a hard time answering this question?

People kill other people every day in this world. Some are intentional, and some are by accident. I'm asking whether or not you think she intended to kill this man or not? Why are you being so difficult?

[highwhey]

Why are you having such a hard time answering this question?

People kill other people every day in this world. Some are intentional, and some are by accident. I'm asking whether or not you think she intended to kill this man or not? Why are you being so difficult?
See, i would answer your question but you're going to run with the answer and absolve her of any consequence.

Fortunately the law doesn't work like that. It's just a matter of whether she will get special treatment or not.

[Patrick Chewing]

See, i would answer your question but you're going to run with the answer and absolve her of any consequence.

Fortunately the law doesn't work like that. It's just a matter of whether she will get special treatment or not.


What a slime ball you are. Can't answer the question cause it'll go against your narrative of crooked cops out there just killing people for the hell of it.

Just put yourself in her shoes for a second after finishing a 13 and a half hour shift and coming home to apartment doors that all look the same. And some of you are talking about how she should be put away in jail for life.

Well, since none of you are astute enough to know the law, life sentences are usually handed out in cases of premedidated first-degree murder offenses. Which means you clowns are accusing her of coming home that night, and purposely entering the wrong apartment with the intent of killing someone that night.

You armchair lawyers are a joke.

[CelticBaller]

Question for all you guys.

How many of you think she actually did this on purpose? How many of you think she decided when she got home that she was going to kill her neighbor?
If she did it by accident she should still face jail time

[highwhey]

What a slime ball you are. Can't answer the question cause it'll go against your narrative of crooked cops out there just killing people for the hell of it.

Just put yourself in her shoes for a second after finishing a 13 and a half hour shift and coming home to apartment doors that all look the same. And some of you are talking about how she should be put away in jail for life.

Well, since none of you are astute enough to know the law, life sentences are usually handed out in cases of premedidated first-degree murder offenses. Which means you clowns are accusing her of coming home that night, and purposely entering the wrong apartment with the intent of killing someone that night.

You armchair lawyers are a joke.
I didn't say she should do life in prison. I commented earlier a manslaughter charge would be fitting for her.

[Patrick Chewing]

If she did it by accident she should still face jail time


I don't think it's that black and white to be honest. You'd still have to prove that she was criminally negligent, and was honestly not exhausted from her shift, which caused her to open the wrong apartment door in the first place. The subsequent action she took is hard to go against too. If this was anyone entering their domicile and they found someone in there who they perceived to be a burglar, they could be well within their right to defend themselves and fire at the perceived burglar.

The question the prosecution should be asking is, did she give the victim enough time to identify themselves and surrender? Or did she immediately fire on him the second she saw him? This is where she can be held culpable.

[MaxFly]

Question for all you guys.

How many of you think she actually did this on purpose? How many of you think she decided when she got home that she was going to kill her neighbor?

I think there are very few people who believe she did this on purpose. Nothing suggests that.

But our laws do underscore that when someone kills someone else due to negligence, that's a crime. It doesn't need to be done purposefully to be a crime.

[Real Men Wear Green]

"My bad, I thought I lived here" is stand your ground on crack. She should absolutely face punishment and whenever she gets out they should take 50% of whatever she earns for the rest of her life and send it to the family of the victim.

"Oh, she was tired, she had a long day" bs doesn't even merit discussion.

[LostCause]

She should most certainly be jailed and if that can’t happen, then at least never allowed to serve on the police force or own a gun again, as smak mentioned.

Working a long shift is simply a lazy excuse

[Real Men Wear Green]

[QUOTE=LostCause]She should most certainly be jailed and if that can

[Patrick Chewing]

There is no reason why she can't go to jail. If we can have people in prison for selling weed in states where it's now legal we should be capable of locking up a murderer.


:facepalm

[Real Men Wear Green]

:facepalm
I am aware of the three-fifths clause but it actually only applies to population count regarding congressional representaion. And I'm pretty sure that it has since been changed. I thus regretfully must let you know that black lives do matter, you can't just kill one and treat it like a fender-bender.

[highwhey]

Roles reveresed, how quickly would this dude have been locked up?


They would have throw away the key...

Idk why America has such a difficult time sentencing cops, or just holding them accountable. It SHOULDN'T be the standard that cops get special treatment for crimes commited. A good argument can be made they should have stricter laws for them bc they are sworn to uphold the laws...not break them and get away.

[FultzNationRISE]

Roles reveresed, how quickly would this dude have been locked up?


They would have throw away the key...

Idk why America has such a difficult time sentencing cops, or just holding them accountable. It SHOULDN'T be the standard that cops get special treatment for crimes commited. A good argument can be made they should have stricter laws for them bc they are sworn to uphold the laws...not break them and get away.


I agree in theory but it isnt realistic.

Cops are humans. Like all humans theyre imperfect, varied in mentality, and tribalistic in tendency. Plus they risk their lives every shift.

You might think it’s easy being a whistleblower when youre a software engineer or a project manager or whatever. Sure you piss off a few coworkers, but your job is probably safe bc youll just sue if they fire you for it.

When you go prosecuting and whistleblowing your fellow officers... youre alienating the very people whom YOU will be calling to save your life if youre in trouble.

Think about it practically. If youre an officer or a judge or a DA, do you want these people taking every shortcut on the road they know to get to you when you call out for help.... or do you wanna be the guy they all hate, and have them “forget” they could have taken that one route that avoids traffic when youre calling from the bedroom closet to report burglars in your home?

Ideals are not the real world. It sucks, but the solutions arent easy.

[dude77]

looks like she's innocent .. the homeboy was most likely charging at her .. she was tired and disoriented and her self preservation instinct kicked in

[MaxFly]

looks like she's innocent .. the homeboy was most likely charging at her .. she was tired and disoriented and her self preservation instinct kicked in

He was shot on his couch while sitting. The bullet had a downward trajectory entering the left side of his body.

[ArbitraryWater]

looks like she's innocent .. the homeboy was most likely charging at her .. she was tired and disoriented and her self preservation instinct kicked in


:facepalm

[dude77]

He was shot on his couch while sitting. The bullet had a downward trajectory entering the left side of his body.

probably lunging up at her from his sitting position

[MaxFly]

probably lunging up at her from his sitting position

He was shot across the room on the couch. She shot from the entrance way.

[dude77]

I'm trolling .. she's already been caught up in a few lies .. I don't know what happened but why would she barge into someone's place and kill them ? and she doesn't even know that guy .. such an odd case ..

that description in the post above me does sounds like someone being 'startled and surprised by a stranger as they walk into their own apt' .. but it's weird how she wouldn't recognize that it's not her place when she walks in regardless of anything else, keys etc

[MaxFly]

I'm trolling .. she's already been caught up in a few lies .. I don't know what happened but why would she barge into someone's place and kill them ? and she doesn't even know that guy

She was negligent. She did indeed make a mistake and went to the wrong apartment. The problem is that if you have the ability and means to shoot someone, it behooves you to not enter the wrong apartment and then shoot them because you were negligent.

[dude77]

She was negligent. She did indeed make a mistake and went to the wrong apartment. The problem is that if you have the ability and means to shoot someone, it behooves you to not enter the wrong apartment and then shoot them because you were negligent.


agreed

[dude77]

and also I think she was sexting her partner after she killed him ... ugly and foul

[highwhey]

I agree in theory but it isnt realistic.

Cops are humans. Like all humans theyre imperfect, varied in mentality, and tribalistic in tendency. Plus they risk their lives every shift.

You might think it’s easy being a whistleblower when youre a software engineer or a project manager or whatever. Sure you piss off a few coworkers, but your job is probably safe bc youll just sue if they fire you for it.

When you go prosecuting and whistleblowing your fellow officers... youre alienating the very people whom YOU will be calling to save your life if youre in trouble.

Think about it practically. If youre an officer or a judge or a DA, do you want these people taking every shortcut on the road they know to get to you when you call out for help.... or do you wanna be the guy they all hate, and have them “forget” they could have taken that one route that avoids traffic when youre calling from the bedroom closet to report burglars in your home?

Ideals are not the real world. It sucks, but the solutions arent easy.
I understand the delicate nature of prosecuting cops since everyone from the judge to the DA count on cops day in day out.

But this isn't a cop ran over innocent bystander or a blurry line situation. This is a blatant negligence case. There's no blurry line here, it's blatant manslaughter.

I find it hilarious the texas ranger defending her got away with manslaughter himself.

[Charlie Sheen]

Why was she working a 13+ hour shift if her judgement is severely compromised from fatigue?

What does that say about all the arrests she has made towards towards the end of her shift?

Is the union going to give back their gains in 3 day work weeks and overtime to save her ass?

[LostCause]

and also I think she was sexting her partner after she killed him ... ugly and foul

What? Did that actually occur?

Honestly that just shows that she was assured nothing would come of the whole situation. Which makes sense given Some of the other info that

[Patrick Chewing]

Why was she working a 13+ hour shift if her judgement is severely compromised from fatigue?

What does that say about all the arrests she has made towards towards the end of her shift?

Is the union going to give back their gains in 3 day work weeks and overtime to save her ass?


Because sometimes these types of positions require such shifts. Same for EMT, Doctors, Nurses. Not saying it's fair or right, but it's a reality, and fatigue is a common symptom and can lead to impairments.

This is definitely a win for his family when it comes to a civil case and suing the crap out of the city.

[dude77]

What? Did that actually occur?

Honestly that just shows that she was assured nothing would come of the whole situation. Which makes sense given Some of the other info that’s been coming out from this


yeah I read before during and after she was texting the partner .. bad bad look

[egokiller]

Yeah, but living in the basement, you're more safe. It's your mom we'd have to worry about.

:roll:

[MaxFly]

yeah I read before during and after she was texting the partner .. bad bad look

She was sexting before... certainly as she walked to the door. I don't think she was sexting after. If she were, as a prosecutor, I'd put those texts on the largest screen I can find, accuse her of callous behavior and rest my case.

[Hawker]

Apparently she testified today.

I don’t buy the door was ajar.

[LostCause]

Apparently one of the jurors has a “professional relationship “ with the lead investigator who declared Guyger didn’t even commit a crime. Said juror was allowed to remain on the jury which seems odd

Also her testimony was predictable . She said some things that can and should be used against her, but her defense shouldn’t surprise or sway anyone

[LostCause]

She was sexting before... certainly as she walked to the door. I don't think she was sexting after. If she were, as a prosecutor, I'd put those texts on the largest screen I can find, accuse her of callous behavior and rest my case.
Well her behavior was certainly callous from the information revealed today

She admitted herself she had a 1st aid kit in her backpack that she never used and she certainly did text her sex partner saying

[highwhey]

honestly, i will not be surprised if she gets off with a slap on the wrist.

absolutely incredible that cops can get away with so many crimes unpunished.

the way her counsel presented things, one would think she's the victim. :facepalm

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=LostCause]Well her behavior was certainly callous from the information revealed today

She admitted herself she had a 1st aid kit in her backpack that she never used and she certainly did text her sex partner saying

[highwhey]

seems like everytime a new detail is unearthed, the case looks worse against this bitch.

she lived down the street from the police station and in the same apartment complex as many other police...yet her first instinct is to shoot and kill someone? where the fvck is her police training? police apologists really riding that whole "she just finished a 13hr shift, she was dazed and confused" excuse bc it's her only saving grace at this point. it's a weak defense.

https://i.postimg.cc/Vk9RDqJD/3233333423445drdfgsde4t34t.png

:facepalm

[highwhey]

from her pinterest account

https://images1.dallasobserver.com/imager/u/blog/11139894/guygerpinterest8.jpg

she was a ticking time bomb.

[LostCause]

It came out that the guy she’s sexting? They were talking about going out AFTER her shift that day and apparently she texted him about that after she got off. So that should blow up her whole “too tired to notice anything” excuse. It seems more likely she was just too eager to get in/out to go ****, or possibly was even texting and wasn’t paying much attention

Her “feared for life” line can’t possibly fly for anyone reasonable and objective. She had the advantage. She was armed, gun in hand with a clear line of sight on the guy. He was sitting, unarmed, watching TV and eating ice cream. Completely taken by surprise. There’s just no reasonable way you’d “fear for your life” in that situation even if he did get up aggressively (which he should’ve given someone just broke into his room drawing a weapon). There’s nothing he could’ve done that’s within reason that would’ve led to him not dying, it was entirely on her

Literally everything goes against her. If she’s somehow acquitted, there’s just no way there won’t be chaos. Not even for the race aspect, but the fact that no normal citizen could get away with something so blatantly criminal. For the lead investigator to claim no crime was committed too, something he’d absolutely NOT do we’re the roles reversed, he should also be removed as hes clearly unreliable and unfit due to implicit bias

[MaxFly]

from her pinterest account

https://images1.dallasobserver.com/imager/u/blog/11139894/guygerpinterest8.jpg

she was a ticking time bomb.

Exactly the kind of thing you want your police officers posting, liking and promoting on social media.

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=LostCause]It came out that the guy she

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=LostCause]It came out that the guy she

[LostCause]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgYq09pS4T0

Also:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAVMo7u0r3c

[Patrick Chewing]

Exactly the kind of thing you want your police officers posting, liking and promoting on social media.


Oh please. You guys pretend you

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Oh please. You guys pretend you

[ItsMillerTime]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Oh please. You guys pretend you

[Charlie Sheen]

You're such a fvcking moron. One shouldn't become a police officer if they've had fantasies about murdering people that upset them.

You are legitimately the dumbest person on this website. Jesus Christ, my brain hurts reading your posts sometimes.
Fantasies about murdering people is a little strong. It's a bad look to be posting that stuff, but police officers have bad days just like the rest of us. I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt on this... She was probably unwinding and goofing around with some friends.

[Patrick Chewing]

With every new comment you make, you cement yourself as a piece of shit.

It's not about being righteous, it's about real life actions. Actions have consequences.

You're part of the brigade that mocks black people with "dindu nuffin". Yet here you are defending a murderer.

How comical. :facepalm


So I was right about you guys being high and mighty and righteous. I

[highwhey]

prosecution going in on this demon:


Lead prosecutor Jason Hermus: "For your safety, you should have taken a position of cover and concealment and got help...and, instead, you decided to go in."

Amber Guyger: "Yes, I did go in."

Hermus: "You had a police radio on you, didn't you?"

Guyger: "I did."

Hermus: "Did it work?"

Guyger: "It did."

Hermus: "Did you live two blocks away from police headquarters?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

Hermus: "You know that, when you call out as a police officer, the number one thing for every other police officer is to come help you if you say that you need help...?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

Hermus: "You know that the response time on this call was about two minutes and bodies were at the apartment...?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

Hermus: "So, you could have taken a position of cover and concealment. You could have called for help on your radio and you could have had the cavalry there in two minutes?

Guyger: "I could have."

Hermus: "You could have had SWAT mobilized..."

Guyger: "They could have."

Hermus: "You could have had K9 mobilized... "

Guyger: "They could have, also."

Hermus: "And had you done any one of those things, Mr. Jean would probably be alive today. Right?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

:applause:

[highwhey]

turns out this demon didn't have that heavy of a shift, going off her text messages, looks like she sat around sexting her superior officer all shift long.

welp, there goes your excuse demon.

:dancin

[Hawker]

from her pinterest account

https://images1.dallasobserver.com/imager/u/blog/11139894/guygerpinterest8.jpg

she was a ticking time bomb.

Freaking out about this Pinterest post is a bit ridiculous and over the top. You guys are taking it way too literally since it fits your agenda.

[highwhey]

Freaking out about this Pinterest post is a bit ridiculous and over the top. You guys are taking it way too literally since it fits your agenda.
So are we to pretend police don't do the same when they are trying a suspect? I mean Jesus Christ, the cops released the fact that this dude was smoking weed yet waited 8hrs to take a blood sample from Amber to check for drugs or alcohol.

Police are real quick to release any info to make a suspect look bad. So we can't do the same? Especially when it's pertinent information?

If some sude published memes about killing cops, I'm pretty sure no one would play it off as casual humor.

Double standard tho.

[dude77]

the bottom line is this guy was sitting inside his own place minding his own business and he was basically the one who was attacked .. it may have been a mistake but that's exactly what happened .. you can't trespass into someone's home and then say 'well I was attacked I had to shoot him sorry' wtf lol .. at least she was showing some remorse on the stand but I don't know if that was acting

[Hawker]

So are we to pretend police don't do the same when they are trying a suspect? I mean Jesus Christ, the cops released the fact that this dude was smoking weed yet waited 8hrs to take a blood sample from Amber to check for drugs or alcohol.

Police are real quick to release any info to make a suspect look bad. So we can't do the same? Especially when it's pertinent information?

If some sude published memes about killing cops, I'm pretty sure no one would play it off as casual humor.

Double standard tho.

The chick is an idiot dude but you’re freaking out over a playful meme.

If she killed someone who was ungrateful to her - you’d have a point. It’s really irrelevant to this shooting.

[highwhey]

the bottom line is this guy was sitting inside his own place minding his own business and he was basically the one who was attacked .. it may have been a mistake but that's exactly what happened .. you can't trespass into someone's home and then say 'well I was attacked I had to shoot him sorry' wtf lol .. at least she was showing some remorse on the stand but I don't know if that was acting
100% acting, her lawyers told her not to wear makeup either.

Remorse would have been her getting a 1st aid kit out and helping the guy in ANY way other than just standing there...****ing bitch. :facepalm

[Hawker]

the bottom line is this guy was sitting inside his own place minding his own business and he was basically the one who was attacked .. it may have been a mistake but that's exactly what happened .. you can't trespass into someone's home and then say 'well I was attacked I had to shoot him sorry' wtf lol .. at least she was showing some remorse on the stand but I don't know if that was acting

This. It might be murder in the state of Texas but at the least it

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Oh please. You guys pretend you

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Hawker]The chick is an idiot dude but you

[Hawker]

my cousin that is a cop shares cop memes with me sometimes. but they're all about the sacrifice they make. not once have i seen him sharing any memes that are joking about killing people. and even when i've hung around him and his friends...no one jokes about shooting innocent people or for unjust reasons. normal cops don't do this...most cops don't ever shoot their guns in the line of duty and they sure as hell aren't hoping to do it. it's a pain in the ass bc they have write down every single detail including the exact minute it went down, not to mention they are questioned as to why they had to shoot their weapon in the first place.

I think you

[red1]

tit for tat, quid pro quo.




someone should go into her apartment and shoot her unarmed.

[highwhey]

here you go hawker, another one

https://i.postimg.cc/9FS1v1nG/346456.png

https://i.postimg.cc/rmFSdtHV/5647654765.png

[MaxFly]

Freaking out about this Pinterest post is a bit ridiculous and over the top. You guys are taking it way too literally since it fits your agenda.

How dare anyone scrutinize the mindset of a police officer who killed an innocent man in his living room while he ate ice cream and watched tv. Shame on us.

[red1]

[QUOTE=Hawker]I think you

[highwhey]

spoken like a person who hasn't been shot at home for no reason. :no:


this is a disgusting case of "hasn't been shot in his own house or apartment" privilege.
:roll: :roll:

[red1]

:roll: :roll:
I promise you he would change his tune if someone walked into his house and shot him while he was minding his own business this evening.

[Levity]

Judge Rules Jury Can Consider Castle Doctrine In Amber Guyger Murder Trial (Essentially "stand your ground law")
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/09/30/jury-consider-castle-doctrine-amber-guyger-murder-trial/

Yikes. might as well just call it the "Kill a black, get out of jail free" card.

but in regards to her minion meme - I view it more as something an unfunny girl would post.

[LostCause]

The DA ****ed the trial (Likely intentionally imo) by speaking out about it publicly

There's just no way someone who's been in that profession that long makes an error like that unless it was intentional

[Patrick Chewing]

I

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]I

[qrich]

Judge Rules Jury Can Consider Castle Doctrine In Amber Guyger Murder Trial (Essentially "stand your ground law")
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/09/30/jury-consider-castle-doctrine-amber-guyger-murder-trial/

Yikes. might as well just call it the "Kill a black, get out of jail free" card.

but in regards to her minion meme - I view it more as something an unfunny girl would post.

Judge probably did that to fight any sort of potential future appeal from the defense, assuming the jury rightfully finds this **** guilty.

[Patrick Chewing]

You admit to casual considering killing people, but I'm the unhinged one eh?

Yikes. Looks like going to prison did not help reform you. Did bubba toss your salad while you were in there. Makes sense as to why you hate black people with a passion.


You need to lighten up and get out of the house for a while. You

[Hawker]

How dare anyone scrutinize the mindset of a police officer who killed an innocent man in his living room while he ate ice cream and watched tv. Shame on us.

Memes = mindset?

[Hawker]

Judge Rules Jury Can Consider Castle Doctrine In Amber Guyger Murder Trial (Essentially "stand your ground law")
https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2019/09/30/jury-consider-castle-doctrine-amber-guyger-murder-trial/

Yikes. might as well just call it the "Kill a black, get out of jail free" card.

but in regards to her minion meme - I view it more as something an unfunny girl would post.
This. It's like you guys don't know any basic bitches.

The "kill a black, get out of jail free" card is pretty cringeworthy though.

[Levity]

This. It's like you guys don't know any basic bitches.

The "kill a black, get out of jail free" card is pretty cringeworthy though.

thats the whole point.

[highwhey]

Memes = mindset?
you're being obtuse bro

you know damn well sharing a meme isn't exactly a peak into a person's personal ideology and aspirations, but there's certainly a legitimate link between the content of those memes and some underlying personal beliefs or desires.

and it's relevant here bc it tells us she's joked about killing people...meaning she may not value other people's lives very much.

she shot an innocent man, confirming she didn't value his life at all considering how quickly she reacted and how stone cold she was after the shooting. she didn't even TRY to help the guy, no first aid...NOTHING. her first thought was, oh shit, how can i cover my ass?

:no:

[Hawker]

you're being obtuse bro

you know damn well sharing a meme isn't exactly a peak into a person's personal ideology and aspirations, but there's certainly a legitimate link between the content of those memes and some underlying personal beliefs or desires.

and it's relevant here bc it tells us she's joked about killing people...meaning she may not value other people's lives very much.

she shot an innocent man, confirming she didn't value his life at all considering how quickly she reacted and how stone cold she was after the shooting. she didn't even TRY to help the guy, no first aid...NOTHING. her first thought was, oh shit, how can i cover my ass?

:no:

Not being obtuse - I'd just rather stick to the facts of the case and evaluate them.

Not take some memes and spin them for whatever reason.

Criticizing her actions prior to and post shooting are legitimate and I would agree.

I just choose not to link them to a meme because it's a ****ing minion meme.

[LostCause]

The prosecutors basically spelled out that it's murder. I feel like the jury will try to go with manslaughter which just doesn't fit

[Patrick Chewing]

I just choose not to link them to a meme because it's a ****ing minion meme.


:lol

[MaxFly]

spoken like a person who hasn't been shot at home for no reason. :no:


this is a disgusting case of "hasn't been shot in his own house or apartment" privilege.

:oldlol:

[MaxFly]

Memes = mindset?

If I liked and saved a few minion memes about shooting cops, and then actually ended up shooting a cop, I wonder how people would respond. I'm guessing neither prosecutors nor observers would consider it "over the top" to bring it up. No one is "freaking out" about the meme, but you have to wonder what she found "funny" about it.

[highwhey]

If I liked and saved a few minion memes about shooting cops, and then actually ended up shooting a cop, I wonder how people would respond. I'm guessing neither prosecutors nor observers would consider it "over the top" to bring it up. No one is "freaking out" about the meme, but you have to wonder what she found "funny" about it.
yep

i feel like this entire case is a double standard. *certain* people feel drawn to protect her actions when we know DAMN well that if the roles were reversed, that shooter would be locked up for a very long time, no questions asked.

[Hawker]

yep

i feel like this entire case is a double standard. *certain* people feel drawn to protect her actions when we know DAMN well that if the roles were reversed, that shooter would be locked up for a very long time, no questions asked.

It's possible to think she's guilty and should face consequences and not overanalyze a minion meme on pinterest.

[Hawker]

If I liked and saved a few minion memes about shooting cops, and then actually ended up shooting a cop, I wonder how people would respond. I'm guessing neither prosecutors nor observers would consider it "over the top" to bring it up. No one is "freaking out" about the meme, but you have to wonder what she found "funny" about it.

I addressed this.

Was the person she shot somehow "ungrateful" to her?

What we are doing here is thought policing. Orwellian shit.

[highwhey]

It's possible to think she's guilty and should face consequences and not overanalyze a minion meme on pinterest.
you keep ignoring how we're bringing up a valid point of double standards.

balck guy shoots cops

police department sift through every social media post of him to sully his name.

please address the double standard. am i wrong?

[Hawker]

you keep ignoring how we're bringing up a valid point of double standards.

balck guy shoots cops

police department sift through every social media post of him to sully his name.

please address the double standard. am i wrong?

Sure - doesn't mean it's right. Just saying your example is not a direct comparison.

Social media is poison these days really.

[highwhey]

Sure - doesn't mean it's right. Just saying your example is not a direct comparison.

Social media is poison these days really.
shooting an unarmed man in his own home isn't right.

yet this women has the privilege of escaping consequences for taking that man's life...

we're past the point of what is right or isn't on a minute level. this woman deserves all and any bad criticism to sully her name, image, and existence. she took a human life without valid reasons. even worse, she's a trained law person with training for these types of situations and didn't even attempt to use .1% of that training.

i hope she rots in prison.

[highwhey]

the lead investigator, david armstrong, killed an innocent person when he worked a long shift and decided to violate department policy by getting on the highway and making a long drive after his shift...causing an automobile accident and killing that person.

consequences? NONE.

now he's the LEAD INVESTIGATOR on a similar case.

this country's justice system is comical.

:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

the lead investigator, david armstrong, killed an innocent person when he worked a long shift and decided to violate department policy by getting on the highway and making a long drive after his shift...causing an automobile accident and killing that person.

consequences? NONE.

now he's the LEAD INVESTIGATOR on a similar case.

this country's justice system is comical.

:facepalm


LEAVE THEN.

[highwhey]

LEAVE THEN.
yikes old man, isn't it past your bed time? current time in ny 12:17am. get some rest. i don't think 55 year olds are suppose to be up that late.

[AirTupac]

yikes old man, isn't it past your bed time? current time in ny 12:17am. get some rest. i don't think 55 year olds are suppose to be up that late.


How many times do you have to retype a reply because your fat fingers push multiple buttons at once?

[highwhey]

How many times do you have to retype a reply because your fat fingers push multiple buttons at once?
cringe.

[MaxFly]

I addressed this.

Was the person she shot somehow "ungrateful" to her?

What we are doing here is thought policing. Orwellian shit.

It does make one question whether she thinks it is funny to have a cavalier attitude about shooting people... especially since she shot an innocent man in his living room and displayed a pretty cavalier and even callous response as he bled out and died in that living room. She jumped the gun and was too quick to rely on lethal force. That she liked those memes isn't surprising in retrospect.

Wait, so you believe that presenting evidence at trials where people who killed cops previously joked about the subject or liked memes about the subject is Orwellian?

[highwhey]

wouldn't be surprised if she gets of with a slap on her wrist.

mainly bc she's white.

minorities lose again.

system is corrupt.

[Patrick Chewing]

wouldn't be surprised if she gets of with a slap on her wrist.

mainly bc she's white.

minorities lose again.

system is corrupt.


How did we lose? Speak for yourself, son.

[highwhey]

How did we lose? Speak for yourself, son.
Roles reversed, a minority would have benn locked up and blamed from the stsrt.

She's white however, so she may get off without repercussions.

Once again you prove to be a self hating individual. You're pathetic old man.

[qrich]

Roles reversed, a minority would have benn locked up and blamed from the stsrt.

She's white however, so she may get off without repercussions.

Once again you prove to be a self hating individual. You're pathetic old man.


Such as David Armstrong?

[highwhey]

Such as David Armstrong?
Well he's police....

They protect their own.

Blue uniform affords you the privilege of getting away with murder.

Unless you're a sikh. Poor guy in texas, first cop to wear a turban got gunned down by fellow cops. Racists ass cops :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

Roles reversed, a minority would have benn locked up and blamed from the stsrt.

She's white however, so she may get off without repercussions.

Once again you prove to be a self hating individual. You're pathetic old man.


Do you have any analytical data that shows that when Whites and Minorities are tried for the same offence, that Minorities have a higher conviction rate? First time offenders only.


And when you say "roles reversed", if the roles were reversed, Jean may be treated harsher since the victim would have been a cop. It doesn't matter what race she was. Considering how much anti-cop sentiment there is out there (case and point), Botham Jean may have never received a fair trial.

[qrich]

Well he's police....

They protect their own.

Blue uniform affords you the privilege of getting away with murder.

That's my point....it has nothing to do with race and more to do with police corruption. Look at the Kelly Thomas case, as an example as well.


Unless you're a sikh. Poor guy in texas, first cop to wear a turban got gunned down by fellow cops. Racists ass cops :facepalm

Haven't heard anything about cops doing it?

[MaxFly]

Roles reversed, a minority would have benn locked up and blamed from the stsrt.

She's white however, so she may get off without repercussions.

Once again you prove to be a self hating individual. You're pathetic old man.

I don't think race is the overriding factor here. I think it's police culture. The lead investigator who said he believed that she did not commit a crime is black. I'm not sure she would be treated any differently had she shot a white kid in his apartment. Texas can be a weird place.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't think race is the overriding factor here. I think it's police culture. The lead investigator who said he believed that she did not commit a crime is black. I'm not sure she would be treated any differently had she shot a white kid in his apartment. Texas can be a weird place.


Something highweight won't share with us here is that this very same Lead Investigator got lost several times trying to find the right apartment.

[Facepalm]

Guilty of murder!


Amber Guyger found guilty of murder
From CNN’s Ashley Killough

A jury has found former Dallas police officer Amber Guyger guilty of murder after less than 24 hours of deliberation.

Guyger was indicted last year after fatally shooting her unarmed neighbor, Botham Jean, in his apartment, which she said she mistook as hers.

Jurors were given the option of finding Guyger guilty of the lesser offense of manslaughter. With the murder conviction, Guyger, 31, now faces up to life in prison.

The verdict follows a case that has captured national attention and sparked outrage.

Guyger, who is white, testified she parked on the wrong floor of the Dallas apartment complex where she lived on September 6, 2018. She then walked to the apartment directly above hers – which belonged to Jean, who was black—and fired when she encountered Jean.

Really thought it would be manslaughter TBH

[highwhey]

Anyways, when does this come to an end? Jury was deliberating yesterday right?

Ir feels like waiting for the lottery numbers to be aired from that one time i bought a ticket.

Crazy how much this demon can potentially get away wirh bc the system is rigged for cops.

[Facepalm]

Anyways, when does this come to an end? Jury was deliberating yesterday right?

Ir feels like waiting for the lottery numbers to be aired from that one time i bought a ticket.

Crazy how much this demon can potentially get away wirh bc the system is rigged for cops.
Read the post above yours

[highwhey]

Guilty of murder!



Really thought it would be manslaughter TBH
YASSSS BITCH :applause: :eek: :rockon: :cheers:

If i ever meet the jury, I'm inviting them ti a steak dinner, on me. Drinks too. Great job.

[LostCause]

Justice served

I can see her defense jumping on the DA speaking publicly about the case though

[MaxFly]

Something highweight won't share with us here is that this very same Lead Investigator got lost several times trying to find the right apartment.

Most people get lost when navigating a new apartment building. Did he ever enter the wrong apartment and shoot the tenant after visiting the correct apartment 100s of times? Ever let anyone bleed out in their own apartment after shooting them?

Also, highwhey's point about race isn't incorrect. If this had been a black man who shot a white woman, the only thing that could possibly save him would be a badge... and even then, I'm not sure police culture would come through for him. It would be a wrap for a regular black guy. Let's go a little further, a regular black guy shooting a white female police officer in her apartment because he entered thinking it was his apartment... it would be a wrap for him. I just don't think this particular case is about race as much as it is about police protecting police.

[MaxFly]

Guilty of murder!

Really thought it would be manslaughter TBH

I thought so as well. I'm very surprised they went with murder.

[Patrick Chewing]

Most people get lost when navigating a new apartment building. Did he ever enter the wrong apartment and shoot the tenant after visiting the correct apartment 100s of times? Ever let anyone bleed out in their own apartment after shooting them?

Also, highwhey's point about race isn't incorrect. If this had been a black man who shot a white woman, the only thing that could possibly save him would be a badge... and even then, I'm not sure police culture would come through for him. It would be a wrap for a regular black guy. Let's go a little further, a regular black guy shooting a white female police officer in her apartment because he entered thinking it was his apartment... it would be a wrap for him. I just don't think this particular case is about race as much as it is about police protecting police.


How did she let him bleed out??

[Norcaliblunt]

This dude hawker is the fakest dude on here. He acts like he

[tontoz]

Now we know what a cop has to do to get convicted, kill a guy sitting on his couch watching TV.

[ItsMillerTime]

How did she let him bleed out??

Well, she had a first aid kit in her possession and did not try to administer any life-saving techniques. She let him bleed out in front of her. She was more concerned about how the whole situation looked on her.

[Charlie Sheen]

I thought so as well. I'm very surprised they went with murder.
I heard yesterday that she could get probation for manslaughter. If the jury knew this, I wonder if they were convicting for the sentencing rather than the offense?

[LAmbruh]

Guyger sat alone, weeping, at the defense table.


night night, keep that butthole tight! :djparty :dancin :hammertime:

[highwhey]

How did she let him bleed out??
you seriously are dumb dude

:facepalm

[highwhey]

Now we know what a cop has to do to get convicted, kill a guy sitting on his couch watching TV.
yep. and even then, her cop brethren tried protecting her.

they literally have a mindset of us vs them.

but not today.

she gonna have a great time in gen pop

[highwhey]

night night, keep that butthole tight! :djparty :dancin :hammertime:
her reaction when she heard "guilty of murder"

https://media.tenor.com/images/6999285c401b57ed11825eebfb3a5982/tenor.gif

[stalkerforlife]

wouldn't be surprised if she gets of with a slap on her wrist.

mainly bc she's white.

minorities lose again.

system is corrupt.

Stop.

You gotta get over this fake shit.

The current USA is full of whites wanting to execute other whites due to self hate and fake virtue.

If anything, the system is corrupt against whites.

[Patrick Chewing]

her reaction when she heard "guilty of murder"

https://media.tenor.com/images/6999285c401b57ed11825eebfb3a5982/tenor.gif


It's funny you use a gif of a Black dude who got convicted of murder.


Why are you such a crusader, Alan? You trying to get in good with the homies? You trying to get picked more often for playground ball?

[highwhey]

It's funny you use a gif of a Black dude who got convicted of murder.


Why are you such a crusader, Alan? You trying to get in good with the homies? You trying to get picked more often for playground ball?
its funny you consider that crusader activities. you sound like you tried crusading before to get invited to the black bbq but failed miserably.

i don't try to get in good with anyone.

i am the BBQ.

[highwhey]

Stop.

You gotta get over this fake shit.

The current USA is full of whites wanting to execute other whites due to self hate and fake virtue.

If anything, the system is corrupt against whites.
i respect our recent peace pact

but.


you know damn well racism exists in the judicial system.

how many minorities are in prison bc of weed charges?

meanwhile, some white folk said they want to smoke weed and the justice system parted the red sea for them so they would never see the inside of a cell for smoking weed. now white folk in denver and other legal zones smoke ganja freely.

injustice.

[MaxFly]

Well, she had a first aid kit in her possession and did not try to administer any life-saving techniques. She let him bleed out in front of her. She was more concerned about how the whole situation looked on her.

Yup...

[Dr Seuss]

I read the prosecutor got her to admit that by shooting him, she intended to kill him. thats why the jury went with the murder conviction and not man slaughter.

[MaxFly]

I heard yesterday that she could get probation for manslaughter. If the jury knew this, I wonder if they were convicting for the sentencing rather than the offense?

I didn't hear that, and usually juries aren't privy to sentencing information prior to coming to a decision on charges, but if that somehow got back to them, I can see why they would go with murder.

My guess is that they just saw the callous nature with which she responded and the negligence that preceded it and decided manslaughter wasn't enough.

[stalkerforlife]

i respect our recent peace pact

but.


you know damn well racism exists in the judicial system.

how many minorities are in prison bc of weed charges?

meanwhile, some white folk said they want to smoke weed and the justice system parted the red sea for them so they would never see the inside of a cell for smoking weed. now white folk in denver and other legal zones smoke ganja freely.

injustice.

Prison sentences are determined by the number of past offenses.

White boy Rick has been in prison for 30+ years for drug offenses as a juvenile. Maybe the longest sentence in history for a nonviolent juvenile.

You don't go to prison for a first time weed offense; there has to be a history. Maybe if you have pounds and pounds, but not for a simple weed possession or small time dealing.

My sister's ex did two years for having pounds of weed and he's white.

[LostCause]

I read the prosecutor got her to admit that by shooting him, she intended to kill him. thats why the jury went with the murder conviction and not man slaughter.

This did occur

The prosecutor did a really good job showing how it was murder. Basically his argument was, she was safe behind the steel door of the apartment. She heard sounds coming from inside and withdrew her gun before opening the door, indicating that she wanted to use lethal force on whoever was inside the room

He made sure to illustrate that self defense didn't apply because again, she was safe behind the door and could've done a ton of other things. However she chose to be the aggressor by entering the room to "engage the threat" (her words)

Here's the closing argument

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PlpayugYLo

Here's where she basically admitted she intended to kill him despite all the other options available
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAVMo7u0r3c

[ArbitraryWater]

whoah, i thought this was done?

great to hear

[MaxFly]

While it is good that she will be held accountable for her crime, I should remind you guys that our society still need to address the fundamental issue in this case... the blatant disregard by many police officers for the lives of those they have sworn to serve and protect. It gives good officers a bad name and makes it all that more difficult for them to do their jobs effectively.

[LostCause]

While it is good that she will be held accountable for her crime, I should remind you guys that our society still need to address the fundamental issue in this case... the blatant disregard by many police officers for the lives of those they have sworn to serve and protect. It gives good officers a bad name and makes it all that more difficult for them to do their jobs effectively.

His attorneys touched on that afterward

https://youtu.be/EBxHWmNzxXM?t=313

Or at least they address the lengths police go to in order to protect their own

[MaxFly]

https://youtu.be/EBxHWmNzxXM?t=313


:cheers:

[highwhey]

While it is good that she will be held accountable for her crime, I should remind you guys that our society still need to address the fundamental issue in this case... the blatant disregard by many police officers for the lives of those they have sworn to serve and protect. It gives good officers a bad name and makes it all that more difficult for them to do their jobs effectively.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3gM1liq7Eetk4/giphy.gif

[highwhey]

His attorneys touched on that afterward

https://youtu.be/EBxHWmNzxXM?t=313

Or at least they address the lengths police go to in order to protect their own
they both make very valid points. we are seeing blatant corruption from police.

yet police apologists turn a blind eye to it.

if they protect their own by tampering with evidence, imagine what they've done behind the scenes on cases that did not get national attention. :facepalm

[dude77]

yeah why would she admit she intended to kill him on the stand :facepalm :lol .. for those wondering why defense attorneys usually don't put their clients on the stand

[highwhey]

this is a KO. straight to the chin, blackout, concussion inducing blow:


Lead prosecutor Jason Hermus: "For your safety, you should have taken a position of cover and concealment and got help...and, instead, you decided to go in."

Amber Guyger: "Yes, I did go in."

Hermus: "You had a police radio on you, didn't you?"

Guyger: "I did."

Hermus: "Did it work?"

Guyger: "It did."

Hermus: "Did you live two blocks away from police headquarters?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

Hermus: "You know that, when you call out as a police officer, the number one thing for every other police officer is to come help you if you say that you need help...?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

Hermus: "You know that the response time on this call was about two minutes and bodies were at the apartment...?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

Hermus: "So, you could have taken a position of cover and concealment. You could have called for help on your radio and you could have had the cavalry there in two minutes?

Guyger: "I could have."

Hermus: "You could have had SWAT mobilized..."

Guyger: "They could have."

Hermus: "You could have had K9 mobilized... "

Guyger: "They could have, also."

Hermus: "And had you done any one of those things, Mr. Jean would probably be alive today. Right?"

Guyger: "Yes, sir."

[dude77]

^^

:facepalm wow lol .. her defense attorney completely failed her .. tf were you thinking putting her on the stand

[Mask the Embiid]

Finally, for once, we get justice

[tontoz]

^^

:facepalm wow lol .. her defense attorney completely failed her .. tf were you thinking putting her on the stand


Yeah she deserved the conviction for sure but putting her on the stand was idiotic.

At least she was honest, an honest murderer.

[CelticBaller]

I’d give her 20 years

Made a mistake and is clearly regretting it. Life and death penalty should be for psychopaths who cannot be trusted back in society

[highwhey]

so this bitch admitted to being racist...SHOCKING

https://i.postimg.cc/kMhrLPfX/ClZZJ62.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/CLBygrQC/evlfcDK.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/kXk0XN00/xOI2iyW.jpg

hope she rots in prison

[MaxFly]

so this bitch admitted to being racist...SHOCKING

https://i.postimg.cc/kMhrLPfX/ClZZJ62.jpg

When did these come out?

[highwhey]

When did these come out?
I believe before the jury landed on a conviction

[AirBonner]

Proper justice finally.

[TheMan]

Stupid bitch, how the hell do you walk into an apartment and not notice the different furniture and surroundings??? Why even enter if you think someone is inside? Anyone with half a brain (and a cop no less), stays outside, takes cover and calls for backup. Especially since her PD being so close The worst that would've happened is police get there, confront Jean and when he explains she got the wrong apartment and she realizes it, she becomes the butt of a bunch of jokes at her police department and most importantly, that dude would be alive today...poor guy was probably having the munchies when this dumb broad broke in and wasted him :(

[Hawker]

I believe before the jury landed on a conviction

Hispanic men holding an L on this case too. Loving the crazy white women too much.

Anyway, good outcome on this case.

[CelticBaller]

Releasing text message information is too much. Where is privacy nowadays?

[highwhey]

Releasing text message information is too much. Where is privacy nowadays?
don't kill innocent people and your business will not be aired like dirty laundry :confusedshrug:

[Facepalm]

She got 10 years


(CNN)[Breaking news update, published at 5:08 p.m. ET]

A Texas jury has given former police officer Amber Guyger a 10-year murder sentence for fatally shooting Botham Jean in his Dallas apartment.
The ex-officer's defense said she mistakenly walked into the wrong apartment and opened fire because she thought Jean was an intruder.

[CelticBaller]

don't kill innocent people and your business will not be aired like dirty laundry :confusedshrug:
A murderer doesn't lose all their rights. Privacy should be a right that we keep if we comply with the justice system

[CelticBaller]

She got 10 years
10? Oh I personally though 20 would be enough

[highwhey]

Hispanic men holding an L on this case too. Loving the crazy white women too much.

Anyway, good outcome on this case.
i agree. especially bc she's not hot, so i hope for this dude's sake she gave some amazing head or rode him like nobody's business.

i must admit i have a weak spot for hot white chicks. pink ******* just waiting to be devoured. https://i.postimg.cc/SsJg6Njz/lawd.png

anyways, i hope she gets 30 years.

latino boyfriend deserves a couple years too for dating this chick.

[highwhey]

She got 10 years
this some weak ass shit wtf.

black people get 10 years for weed and coke possesion

this bitch killed a defenseless man in his OWN home

white privilege

:biggums:

[highwhey]

A murderer doesn't lose all their rights. Privacy should be a right that we keep if we comply with the justice system
except they do tho. people in prison lose their rights.

used to work at a law firm, the attorneys would get dozens of letters from inmates regarding violation of rights and bad treatment, guess what they did? toss em away. i once asked why, attorney told me they lost their rights when they went to prison.

whole different world inside.

[CelticBaller]

except they do tho. people in prison lose their rights.

used to work at a law firm, the attorneys would get dozens of letters from inmates regarding violation of rights and bad treatment, guess what they did? toss em away. i once asked why, attorney told me they lost their rights when they went to prison.

whole different world inside.
****ed up


We need to make our prisons rehabilitation centers, not hell holes where we treat humans as animals

[Patrick Chewing]

this some weak ass shit wtf.

black people get 10 years for weed and coke possesion

this bitch killed a defenseless man in his OWN home

white privilege

:biggums:


Get mad, son. She'll be out in no time and ready to get pregnant.


:pimp:

[highwhey]

****ed up


We need to make our prisons rehabilitation centers, not hell holes where we treat humans as animals
i do agree it's ****ed up. some of them get treated like animals.

but most prisons are ran by corporate phags so all they care about is head count, not rehabilitation.

[Hawker]

i do agree it's ****ed up. some of them get treated like animals.

but most prisons are ran by corporate phags so all they care about is head count, not rehabilitation.

lol no they aren't. Private prisons make up less than 10% of all inmates and they are CONTRACTED out by the government.

The government contracts out everything.

[dazzer87]

10 years and will be out in 5..........Sounds about white...:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

so this bitch admitted to being racist...SHOCKING

https://i.postimg.cc/kMhrLPfX/ClZZJ62.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/CLBygrQC/evlfcDK.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/kXk0XN00/xOI2iyW.jpg

hope she rots in prison


stop carrying all that hatred inside you


it will free you up

[dude77]

10 yrs and even after those racist texts yikes .. and then to add insult to injury the brother forgives her and hugs her .. huggin her like he's in love and shit and wants a piece of that wtf lol



https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer//EiRNPuWuhsTFIgtOctakwpzOyz4=/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MTM3E67QKOSVTNOYSAXUTIT2SQ.jpg

[Dro]

10 years and will be out in 5..........Sounds about white...:lol
Yep, not surprised. This is America.

[highwhey]

10 yrs and even after those racist texts yikes .. and then to add insult to injury the brother forgives her and hugs her .. huggin her like he's in love and shit and wants a piece of that wtf lol



https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer//EiRNPuWuhsTFIgtOctakwpzOyz4=/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/MTM3E67QKOSVTNOYSAXUTIT2SQ.jpg
good for the brother.

i still don't think she went out and thought to herself "ima kill this guy".

i do believe it was a mistake, but the issue is she took away a life.

mistakes carry consequences. she doesn't deserve to do life behind bars but give her at least 20...10 is too little.

guaranteed she got 10 bc the judge/judicial system doesn't want to rustle any feathers with the police union.

[dude77]

daaamn wtf :lol the deceased getting L'd left and right even after death .. then again he probably forgives her too .. I'm reading they're a religious family


https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer//kkeGiKJ-elHYeS4_pgfkP7N1rrg=/fit-in/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IJ2ULCCTZV7PQW2HEQODKUEQPM.jpg

[TheMan]

good for the brother.

i still don't think she went out and thought to herself "ima kill this guy".

i do believe it was a mistake, but the issue is she took away a life.

mistakes carry consequences. she doesn't deserve to do life behind bars but give her at least 20...10 is too little.

guaranteed she got 10 bc the judge/judicial system doesn't want to rustle any feathers with the police union.
This

Agree that she didn't go out purposely to kill someone, just made stupid mistake after stupid mistake. Still don't get why she didn't at least try to use first aid on the guy, maybe it would be futile but just don't stand there like a dumbass. 20 years sounds about right, 10 years, out in maybe half is a cakewalk for killing someone.

[CelticBaller]

dude77 toxic af

There's nothing wrong with forgiveness. The Family already lost their child, there's nothing worse than that

[CelticBaller]

This

Agree that she didn't go out purposely to kill someone, just made stupid mistake after stupid mistake. Still don't get why she didn't at least try to use first aid on the guy, maybe it would be futile but just don't stand there like a dumbass. 20 years sounds about right, 10 years, out in maybe half is a cakewalk for killing someone.
she was in shock. Clearly we don't train our cops correctly

[ArbitraryWater]

if you do the crime, gotta do the time


and she is up for it


nice to see the hugs


good she got 10, maybe she can come out in 5, a changed person

[dude77]

some weird responses I have to say .. the impression I was getting earlier in this thread was 'go for the throat' like y'all wanted her thrown under the jail .. now people are applauding the family hugging up on the killer and talking about give her a second chance at life :biggums:

[dude77]

dude77 toxic af

There's nothing wrong with forgiveness. The Family already lost their child, there's nothing worse than that


toxic for not wanting to forgive the killer of your brother ?? https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png what's next, invite her to live at your place and help her rehabiliate ? ...

I 'understand' but that's still hard for me to swallow .. no fkn way I'm doing that if someone kills my kid, brother, sister, parent etc

[CelticBaller]

He's a christian, he's doing what jesus preached.

More christians should follow suit

[CelticBaller]

some weird responses I have to say .. the impression I was getting earlier in this thread was 'go for the throat' like y'all wanted her thrown under the jail .. now people are applauding the family hugging up on the killer and talking about give her a second chance at life :biggums:
my guess is people here are more like "if X race gets 50 she should get the same"


If ya want equality, we need to deal with the problem, over sentencing. We need to give the X race less years than the whites, not try to give the whites 50 years for the same crime

Prison should rehabilitate people. Only psychopaths who are truly dangerous to society should do 25 to life

[TheMan]

toxic for not wanting to forgive the killer of your brother ?? https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png what's next, invite her to live at your place and help her rehabiliate ? ...

I 'understand' but that's still hard for me to swallow .. no fkn way I'm doing that if someone kills my kid, brother, sister, parent etc
I'm Catholic, Jesus taught forgiveness...great on that family that they won't carry that hate to the grave. I totally get what you're saying, I think I wouldn't be able to forgive but I guess that means that family are better persons than I.

CelticBaller makes a great point, had it been a black dude killing a white woman by the same circumstances, we would be kidding ourselves if the brother ain't ending up doing some hard ass prison sentence, regardless of intent.

[scuzzy]

I know the justice system isn't fair and you can compare infinite similar cases with different sentences

But man, 5-10 years isn't some walk in the park for a middle age person with no criminal history

That's still a good chunk of time to be locked up, she'll be pulling her hair out the first year until her brain rewires.

[highwhey]

toxic for not wanting to forgive the killer of your brother ?? https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/camby.png what's next, invite her to live at your place and help her rehabiliate ? ...

I 'understand' but that's still hard for me to swallow .. no fkn way I'm doing that if someone kills my kid, brother, sister, parent etc
her fam isnt going to get past it if they don't forgive that person.

this is something you learn early in life man. how old are you? if you're in you're 30's holding grudges...:facepalm

[AirTupac]

Why was the black guy eating icecream in the dark at night though?

[LostCause]

daaamn wtf :lol the deceased getting L'd left and right even after death .. then again he probably forgives her too .. I'm reading they're a religious family


https://dmn-dallas-news-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer//kkeGiKJ-elHYeS4_pgfkP7N1rrg=/fit-in/1660x934/smart/filters:no_upscale()/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-dmn.s3.amazonaws.com/public/IJ2ULCCTZV7PQW2HEQODKUEQPM.jpg

I think this is pretty bad

The brother is one thing. Maybe that's how he copes with his brothers death by moving on (Though hugging her seems a bridge too far. Forgiving is cool but he said he forgave her, didnt want her to go to jail, loved her AND wanted to hug her? The ****? Lol). I'd never do it and I wouldn't want my family doing it either, though.

The judge though. I can't say I've ever witnessed a judge hug a convicted murderer. I am also pretty certain that, as others have said, if it were the other way around they wouldn't be hugging Botham Jean

As the old saying goes, she wasn't crying because she was sorry, she was crying because she was caught :confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

Texas :facepalm

It isn't a coincidence that Cuban goes after white players. How many teams have this many white guys?

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/64v5ou/the_2017_dallas_mavericks_team_photo_featuring/

[Patrick Chewing]

good for the brother.

i still don't think she went out and thought to herself "ima kill this guy".

i do believe it was a mistake, but the issue is she took away a life.

mistakes carry consequences. she doesn't deserve to do life behind bars but give her at least 20...10 is too little.

guaranteed she got 10 bc the judge/judicial system doesn't want to rustle any feathers with the police union.


Spoken like a guy who hasn

[dude77]

:oldlol: ok justify this one .. this is becoming like some kind of dark humor comedy skit .. I seriously think the brother and father have some kind of crush on this girl .. pssy does make guys do/think weird shit


https://i.ibb.co/QdhC83p/Untitled.png (https://imgbb.com/)


The court accidentally showed bodycam footage of Botham bleeding out to the family against their wishes, they heard how Amber did not make any serious life saving attempts, they heard how she was only concerned about losing her job, they heard her slander Botham by saying he was going to kill her, they saw texts of her admitting to being racist, they heard how she wanted to party with another officer who killed an unarmed black man just 48 hours after Botham's death.

[LostCause]

The mother was the only one who did something I could agree with, she said she'll keep her forgiving of Amber to herself.

I just can't imagine them having that same sort of forgiving energy if a black man had killed Botham instead. The judge almost certainly wouldn't have done this, which I still think is the worst thing that occurred that day

https://storage.googleapis.com/www-courttv-uploads/2019/10/add13cc9-100219_guyger_impact_web-768x432.jpg

Don't think I've ever seen something like that before

[dude77]

:oldlol:

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/35/458/9458035.jpeg

[highwhey]

:oldlol:

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/35/458/9458035.jpeg
:roll:

[oh the horror]

I found it a powerful gesture of forgiveness on behalf of the brother not just for himself but for her as well.


However the judge should know better. That was inappropriate.

[Facepalm]

:oldlol:

https://s3media.247sports.com/Uploads/Assets/35/458/9458035.jpeg
:oldlol:

[Facepalm]

I found it a powerful gesture of forgiveness on behalf of the brother not just for himself but for her as well.


However the judge should know better. That was inappropriate.
This.

[Cocaine80s]

RIP to Jean

I think she should

[Facepalm]

RIP to Jean

I think she should’ve got atleast 20 years though. Also this is why I make sure all my doors stay locked, there are so many people who are too casual with their doors being open/unlocked
I've had people walk into my place by accident while I was parties before. One of the times, we ended up going to the other house and continuing the party there :oldlol:

[dude77]

https://i.imgur.com/md6C8xC.jpg


https://media3.giphy.com/media/HwmB7t7krGnao/source.gif

[LostCause]

@Dude your link didn

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=LostCause]@Dude your link didn

[Levity]

[QUOTE=LostCause]@Dude your link didn

[MaxFly]

good for the brother.

i still don't think she went out and thought to herself "ima kill this guy".

i do believe it was a mistake, but the issue is she took away a life.

mistakes carry consequences. she doesn't deserve to do life behind bars but give her at least 20...10 is too little.

guaranteed she got 10 bc the judge/judicial system doesn't want to rustle any feathers with the police union.

This...

[MaxFly]

Why was the black guy eating icecream in the dark at night though?

He was watching tv in his apartment. Who watches TV with the light on?

[LostCause]

So this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KN3UHFlFw

Was murderered
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2019/10/05/man-fatally-shot-apartment-complex-near-dallas-medical-district-suspect-loose/

Crazy shit

[highwhey]

So this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KN3UHFlFw

Was murderered
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2019/10/05/man-fatally-shot-apartment-complex-near-dallas-medical-district-suspect-loose/

Crazy shit
Sounds fishy.

I wouldn't put it past cops getting revenge.

[Hawker]

So this guy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1KN3UHFlFw

Was murderered
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2019/10/05/man-fatally-shot-apartment-complex-near-dallas-medical-district-suspect-loose/

Crazy shit

Comes off as a hit job.

I'm never moving back to Dallas.