Why are they pushing Climate Change/Global Warming on us?

[keep-itreal]

We all know climate change is a hoax, but why are they pushing this so much? What do they benefit from it?

[egokiller]

Smoke screen to keep the public from focusing on the bigger issues. The biggest being that the system is broken.

[Norcaliblunt]

The ruling class always has to have a boogie man to keep the people in check.

[DukeDelonte13]

Don't take them at face value and do some research on your own. If you do, you'd see that its a very real and very serious issue that should absolutely be focused on by governments everywhere.

[scuzzy]

The ruling class always has to have a boogie man to keep the people in check.
The ruling class is cornered into the biggest financial overhauls though?

You think the likes of GM, Ford enjoyed reinventing their motors to be air friendly? Nah, they were on cruisssssse control with their buddies at Shell and BP decades before wise guys like Elon started chipping into their X-mas bonus revinue with all this fancy dancy smart car nonsense. "Mars? We'll be long dead before then!" :mad:

I mean at least Musk was nice enough not to patent his batteries so everyone can share the tech. :mad: Now the gov't is funding him grants, where's muh bailout :mad:

Boomers thought they could continue running daddies trust fund company until every natural resource gets farted into the sky as carbon. Leaving their kids to clean it up while telling folk tale stories how it was so hard back in muh dey journeying 2 miles in barefeet snow for a 25 cent whopper and fries. Youz kidz have it easy :no:

[Prometheus]

If you would stop listening to corporate shills and politicians, and start listening to environmental scientists, you would realize that you're a f*cking idiot and it's no hoax.

How can you be this dense?

[MaxFly]

What is the difficulty people are having with the concept of climate change? What are they actually disputing?

We know that:

A. More CO2 in the atmosphere causes increased warming (greenhouse effect).

B. We are pumping CO2 into the atmosphere.

C. The planet is warming faster than it should.

---

Are somehow A and B not leading to C?

[Real Men Wear Green]

The pastor that presided over my wedding believes that climate change is all part of the end of days and is predicted in the bible. If you don't want to do anything about the problem that's probably the best point of view. We excuse religious illogic. And if you have strong belief it's not even that illogical.

[Long Duck Dong]

Wouldn't it be funny if all the C02 in the atmosphere actually prevented an ice age :lol

[coin24]

Can't have people realising the worlds financial system is crumbling and that governments are just pawns to corporations now can we? And with people being sick to death hearing about "terrorism" etc now they have to drag out the old climate change bs:oldlol:

What a time

[rufuspaul]

I wonder what the end game will be. I imagine that island nations and coastal communities will vanish, leaving millions dead and hundreds of millions homeless. Then widespread famine and disease followed by the collapse of civilization and another ice age period.

There will probably be a few humans that survive though.

[DaHeezy]

It's because Trump addressed it as a hoax so now people are more aware of it than ever.

[CelticBaller]

Wouldn't it be funny if all the C02 in the atmosphere actually prevented an ice age :lol
We are currently at the very end of an ice age...

[Long Duck Dong]

We are currently at the very end of an ice age...

Wrong. Our latest Ice Age ended 11k years ago. The earth is(or was) due for a mini ice age in the next 15-50 years.

[MaxFly]

The pastor that presided over my wedding believes that climate change is all part of the end of days and is predicted in the bible. If you don't want to do anything about the problem that's probably the best point of view. We excuse religious illogic. And if you have strong belief it's not even that illogical.

The book of Revelations tracks pretty closely with this, actually.

[bladefd]

Pasting a post I always make in these "climate change is a hoax" threads. I made it couple years ago in an argument I had with numbersix, and he never responded. No climate change denier has ever refuted or even responded to this post. Ever.



It's all connected. The more greenhouse gases enter the atmosphere, the more energy gets trapped from escaping our atmosphere. The more energy gets trapped, the warmer the land/oceans/etc gets. The warmer it gets, the more evaporation you get (ice caps/glaciers melt more too so water level rises too). The more evaporation you get, the more precipitation you get. More precipitation means more and stronger hurricanes/typhoons. More hurricanes means more destruction of people/infrastructure/forests/wildlife/etc.

^ All of those things are positive amplifications, making matters worse for us as time passes - you never want to see runaway greenhouse effect like Venus did long time ago. Some of them also help contribute to forest fires, deforestation and desertification, which further amplifies climate change/global warming.

We humans are mostly responsible for the excess greenhouse gases entering the atmosphere without a doubt. It's mainly two gases causing misery due to the extreme amounts.. CO2 from coal/oil/gas and methane from excess animal breeding (cattle) for our consumption. Other lesser amounts include NO2 from agriculture waste and other fluorides.

Fewer ice caps/glacier coverage also means there is less sunlight being reflected back into space, which means more energy gets absorbed into the land/water rather than reflected back into space (look up 'albedo effect')... This is yet more positive amplification.

[CelticBaller]

Wrong. Our latest Ice Age ended 11k years ago. The earth is(or was) due for a mini ice age in the next 15-50 years.
I stand corrected, we

[MaxFly]

Wouldn't it be funny if all the C02 in the atmosphere actually prevented an ice age :lol

We're not scheduled for a new ice age for quite some time... https://www.livescience.com/1846-global-warming-good-news-ice-ages.html

[MaxFly]

Pasting a post I always make in these "climate change is a hoax" threads. I made it couple years ago in an argument I had with numbersix, and he never responded. No climate change denier has ever refuted or even responded to this post. Ever.


Get out of here... Number (windmills use more energy than they produce) Six ghosted?


It's all connected. The more greenhouse gases enter the atmosphere, the more energy gets trapped from escaping our atmosphere. The more energy gets trapped, the warmer the land/oceans/etc gets. The warmer it gets, the more evaporation you get (ice caps/glaciers melt more too so water level rises too). The more evaporation you get, the more precipitation you get. More precipitation means more and stronger hurricanes/typhoons. More hurricanes means more destruction of people/infrastructure/forests/wildlife/etc.

^ All of those things are positive amplifications, making matters worse for us as time passes - you never want to see runaway greenhouse effect like Venus did long time ago. Some of them also help contribute to forest fires, deforestation and desertification, which further amplifies climate change/global warming.

We humans are mostly responsible for the excess greenhouse gases entering the atmosphere without a doubt. It's mainly two gases causing misery due to the extreme amounts.. CO2 from coal/oil/gas and methane from excess animal breeding (cattle) for our consumption. Other lesser amounts include NO2 from agriculture waste and other fluorides.

Fewer ice caps/glacier coverage also means there is less sunlight being reflected back into space, which means more energy gets absorbed into the land/water rather than reflected back into space (look up 'albedo effect')... This is yet more positive amplification.

This is stuff 3rd and 4th graders learn in science class now. How are all these "ultra intelligent" people on ISH missing this I wonder.

[LostCause]

Isn’t it more sensible to look at the interests of the people who deny climate change?

[Long Duck Dong]

We're not scheduled for a new ice age for quite some time... https://www.livescience.com/1846-global-warming-good-news-ice-ages.html

You proved my point. Thank you.

Your link

[QUOTE]Finally, there

[Prometheus]

I hate you right-wing retards.

[Overdrive]

Wouldn't it be funny if all the C02 in the atmosphere actually prevented an ice age :lol


Was there an ice age 100 years ago?

Ice ages/warm ages are an astronomical effect. The temperature is higher than it should be and rising faster than it should be. There are enough studies, but in the land of dumbasses science means nothing as long as some preachers and conservative closet **** and tranny lovers say it can't be men made, because "god".

[MaxFly]

You proved my point. Thank you.

Your link

The next official ice age isn't for thousands of years.

[Facepalm]

Get out of here... Number (windmills use more energy than they produce) Six ghosted?



This is stuff 3rd and 4th graders learn in science class now. How are all these "ultra intelligent" people on ISH missing this I wonder.
They all happen to be Trump supporters too. :oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

That co2 impacts the greenhouse effect shouldn

[Loco 50]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]That co2 impacts the greenhouse effect shouldn

[BarberSchool]

Arrested development.
Google it.
Arrested development,
of the only nations which they think will be too smart/powerful/indominable/saavy to control,
in their plan for a global new world order.

[FultzNationRISE]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]That co2 impacts the greenhouse effect shouldn’t be questioned. And if people who put their lives into it tell me it’s warming I don’t think googling means I know better.

My only issue is how big a deal to make of it. Just because it’s gradually happening doesn’t mean it’s an emergency. Melt every piece of natural ice it would take long enough that we would just end up with new coastlines with people having decades to move. Hundreds of years really.

It would take something pretty epic to make the places where most people live even as hot as the Middle East where people are walking around in 120

[FultzNationRISE]

This is narrow thinking.

You are ignoring the effects of climate change on crops, on food chains, on water supplies.

These problems cascade.

Do you understand the crisis that the world will have to deal with as India's water shortage continues? India harbors almost 18% of the world's population alone. So now we have a substantial quantity of people forced into mass migration towards somewhere hospitable in addition to those that have been forced to move due to lost coast lines. You think these migrations are going to be peaceful?

Back to biology though. Something as simple as a few degrees increase is capable of changing the amount of algae or plankton in a body of water, in turn altering the course of everything that feeds on that energy source, or perhaps the algae is toxic (like the red bloom algae) and starts to kill off the fish that lived there as well. Everything that depended on those fish in that biogeographic region suffers as well. You start altering entire regions, then what? How do you think you're going to put that back together? You think those changes aren't eventually going to inconvenience humanity? It takes massive amounts of time to allow biological habitats to develop/recover.

These problems in addition to the usage of pesticides that are causing massive decreases in the world's insect populations which causes losses in birds and fish are devastating. Also: Lose insects=lose pollinators=more crop problems=food shortage.

Fish populations are already under enormous stress due to irresponsible, over-fishing to the point that there are nearly 10 fold amount of dead zones in the ocean compared to 60 years ago. Up to around 405 from from 40 something in the 60's. These are essentially biological deserts/wastelands as far as humanity is concerned. Once again, food chains collapsing. Just cause we don't see it happening in our daily life, doesn't mean it's not happening. That's some ignorant thinking, like I can't see germs so they don't exist type shit.

Deforestation and the forest fires burning out of control in Brazil and Bolivia are wiping out our natural carbon filtration/sequestration. This increases temperatures further. So now we not only have increased carbon emissions from the carbon sources burning, but we have a loss of ability to capture the carbon that has already been emitted.

If you think cancer is a larger problem than global warming, I'm here to tell you that's laughable and I've seen all too many people die from cancer both personally and professionally. Folks aren't going to kill others over not having a cancer cure. People going hungry/thirsty................

Global warming is the largest crisis we face as a species. Will some survive? Of course.
Will life remain remotely similar to what we have become accustomed to? Delusion.

Really, the only good news I've heard related to anything climate related is that we have figured out that we can reduce cow carbon emissions, which are staggeringly significant, to virtually zero by simply feeding them a seaweed diet. Changes as simple as this are needed, but won't happen so long as people refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation.

Research must be done. Changes must be made. Further delay only digs us a deeper hole.

You're an intelligent, rational person, which is why I bother typing this up.

OP is either a complete imbecile or a troll, either way not really someone who has any influence over anything of any matter. GFY OP along with the rest of you mouth-breathing political hacks.


Exhibit A.

TEXTBOOK moral alarmist.

[ShawkFactory]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]I would surmise this to be the type of position 90% or more of people deemed

[FultzNationRISE]

You watch too much CNN


Nah, think again

[ShawkFactory]

Nah, think again
So who do you hang out with?

Do people in your day-to-day bullshit about this?

[Norcaliblunt]

Nuclear energy is the solution.

[tomtucker]

We all know climate change is a hoax, but why are they pushing this so much? What do they benefit from it?
in europe it's because they ( the left politicians ) want to remove focus from the more serious problem of migrants flooding the EU.

that is why they love the young sick girl from swedistan, a place where crime and rape has skyrocketed since they invited muslims from africa and the middle east to just invade the place.


https://eurovisionfun.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Malena-Ernman-Greta-Thunberg.jpg

[tomtucker]

https://pluralist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/Greta-Thunberg-wearing-a-t-shirt-bearing-a-Anti-fascist-All-Stars-slogan.jpg


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EE27TEXUUAADPT-?format=jpg&name=medium


https://pluralist.com/greta-thunberg-antifa-t-shirt/

[ILLsmak]

Nuclear energy is the solution.

esp if you dump it directly into the ocean.

-Smak

[MaxFly]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]That co2 impacts the greenhouse effect shouldn’t be questioned. And if people who put their lives into it tell me it’s warming I don’t think googling means I know better.

My only issue is how big a deal to make of it. Just because it’s gradually happening doesn’t mean it’s an emergency. Melt every piece of natural ice it would take long enough that we would just end up with new coastlines with people having decades to move. Hundreds of years really.

It would take something pretty epic to make the places where most people live even as hot as the Middle East where people are walking around in 120

[MaxFly]

Nuclear energy is the solution.

I'm a fan of nuclear energy given how efficient the new plant designs are. Unfortunately it takes a significant amount of initial investment to get a new plant up and running, and we haven't figured out a permanent solution for the waste... though there would be far less wasted waste with the new plants.

[bladefd]

I'm a fan of nuclear energy given how efficient the new plant designs are. Unfortunately it takes a significant amount of initial investment to get a new plant up and running, and we haven't figured out a permanent solution for the waste... though there would be far less wasted waste with the new plants.

You are talking about the salt-based thorium plants?

The problem is not only cost but paranoia too. Anytime someone hears the word nuclear power, they freak out without even looking into it or studying it to see how much the technology has changed since the 1970s. They think of Chernobyl (took shortcuts in manufacturing, human errors) and Fukushima (human error by not building the flood wall high enough), but we can do it better using different technology and more precautions. Thorium is muuuuch safer/cleaner than Uranium, but people are just unwilling to get over their fears and ignorance.

[FultzNationRISE]

So who do you hang out with?

Do people in your day-to-day bullshit about this?


Global warming isn't a frequent topic of discussion in my daily life. The places I see people waxing pompous about it are comment sections and boards like this.

Look at the previous comvo: Kblaze said 'the earth is much more likely to outlast us, than we are to outlast it."

And the other guy comes back with "There are people starving in other countries!!!!!!!! We MUST to fund more research!!!!!!!!"

Did anybody say anything about CARING if people are starving halfway across the planet? No. This guy Loco assumes everyone should feel the same social pressure to care about PC shit as he does. Because he believes his ostentatious swoonings and emotional grandstands are what distinguish him as a meaningful and admirable person. And anyone who isn't sitting in their computer chair demanding more research, demanding more care for others, demanding everyone else hop-to immediately, just isn't as progressive and illuminated as he is.

But what if the rest of us decide not to involve the government in these issues? Will Loco get up anyway and turn off the sprinklers in his yard, shut off his air conditioning, unplug the refrigerator, shut down his computer, and spend the next 5 years in India helping anyone? NO. HE. WILL. NOT.

He wants to sit his fat ass in a computer chair and say "GUBERMINT NEEDS TO DO MORE! NOT WITH MY MONEY, BUT SOMEBODY! GOTTA GET SOME MORE SCIENTIFICAL RESEARCH! PAY SOME MORE SCIENTISTS!" Anyone can say that. That's the easiest shit in the world, to talk about it instead of be about it. Give the orders, but don't do shit yourself.

The planet has too many people. WAY too many people, and I've said this for years. I've said for years we should not be developing poor countries. It's ****ing up everything. Loco doesn't have the DICK to say something like that, because if he's not being Mr. Sympathy Man, he doesn't bring anything else to the table. He doesn't have any qualities that people will still want him around for. He's NOTHING. So he has to be every little person's defender, because every intelligent, capable person on Earth is alredy ahead of him and has no reason to acknowledge him. He's gotta be somebody to the little guy or else he's NOBODY.

I care about science and the environment as much - or more - than that idiot. But I also have the confidence and intelligence to think and speak independently, and sometimes the answers in real life aren't always cute and cuddly and feel good. But amazingly - his always are! More money for this, more money for that. Fund the research! Feed the mouths! Have the government take care of everything for everyone!

He can't afford to say unpopular stuff because he has NO OTHER REDEEMING QUALITIES. He's deluded himself into believing it's becuase he's more "righteous, more learned than Orange Boogieman and his minions, those evil climate deniers!!!!"

Actually Loco isn't intelligent at all, he's one of the many liberals faking it because it's really their only choice.

[FultzNationRISE]

I don't think it's a matter of making sure we don't destroy the planet. I think we're primarily concerned about continuing to live on this planet in the relative comfort and stability to which that we have grown accustomed.

Most scientists agree that as we approach and cross that greenhouse rubicon, more lives, property, food supplies and economies will be exponentially affected. The unfortunate thing about climate change is that it is self perpetuating. As more CO2 is released into the atmosphere, the planet warms, ice melts, forests burn, and CO2 trapped in ice and CO2 from more frequent fires is released... and on and on. The emergency that most who understand the issue are responding to is the threat of crossing that point of no return where CO2 in the atmosphere reaches a level that makes the problem impossible to reverse.

This is why Bill Gates and others are busy heavily investing in technology to suck CO2 out of the air and trap in as hardened pellets.


Thats really cool that Willie Norman is using some of his billions for a cause like that.

But... shouldnt we be having random federal bureaucrats collecting that money instead, and being The Deciders of how the research is funded? Wouldnt that be more efficient...?

Like, shouldnt we be politicizing this kinda stuff instead of privatizing it?

hashtag #BigGovernment?

[Prometheus]

It's crazy how many long-winded, naval-gazing posts you make when they literally all say the EXACT same thing.

[ShawkFactory]

Global warming isn't a frequent topic of discussion in my daily life. The places I see people waxing pompous about it are comment sections and boards like this.

Look at the previous comvo: Kblaze said 'the earth is much more likely to outlast us, than we are to outlast it."

And the other guy comes back with "There are people starving in other countries!!!!!!!! We MUST to fund more research!!!!!!!!"

Did anybody say anything about CARING if people are starving halfway across the planet? No. This guy Loco assumes everyone should feel the same social pressure to care about PC shit as he does. Because he believes his ostentatious swoonings and emotional grandstands are what distinguish him as a meaningful and admirable person. And anyone who isn't sitting in their computer chair demanding more research, demanding more care for others, demanding everyone else hop-to immediately, just isn't as progressive and illuminated as he is.

But what if the rest of us decide not to involve the government in these issues? Will Loco get up anyway and turn off the sprinklers in his yard, shut off his air conditioning, unplug the refrigerator, shut down his computer, and spend the next 5 years in India helping anyone? NO. HE. WILL. NOT.

He wants to sit his fat ass in a computer chair and say "GUBERMINT NEEDS TO DO MORE! NOT WITH MY MONEY, BUT SOMEBODY! GOTTA GET SOME MORE SCIENTIFICAL RESEARCH! PAY SOME MORE SCIENTISTS!" Anyone can say that. That's the easiest shit in the world, to talk about it instead of be about it. Give the orders, but don't do shit yourself.

The planet has too many people. WAY too many people, and I've said this for years. I've said for years we should not be developing poor countries. It's ****ing up everything. Loco doesn't have the DICK to say something like that, because if he's not being Mr. Sympathy Man, he doesn't bring anything else to the table. He doesn't have any qualities that people will still want him around for. He's NOTHING. So he has to be every little person's defender, because every intelligent, capable person on Earth is alredy ahead of him and has no reason to acknowledge him. He's gotta be somebody to the little guy or else he's NOBODY.

I care about science and the environment as much - or more - than that idiot. But I also have the confidence and intelligence to think and speak independently, and sometimes the answers in real life aren't always cute and cuddly and feel good. But amazingly - his always are! More money for this, more money for that. Fund the research! Feed the mouths! Have the government take care of everything for everyone!

He can't afford to say unpopular stuff because he has NO OTHER REDEEMING QUALITIES. He's deluded himself into believing it's becuase he's more "righteous, more learned than Orange Boogieman and his minions, those evil climate deniers!!!!"

Actually Loco isn't intelligent at all, he's one of the many liberals faking it because it's really their only choice.
How are you, as someone in a developed country, going to say that poor countries developing is our biggest issue.

Once you set the precedent you don

[tomtucker]

I hate you right-wing retards.
Truth hurts, doesn't it, you left wing retard

[Long Duck Dong]

The next official ice age isn't for thousands of years.


That could be 100s of 1000s or even millions of years from now. There's only been 5 in the last 2 billion years. But we are(were) due for a mini ice age in the next few decades, that could last a decade or even a lifetime, due to decreased solar activity(solar/Maunder minimum)

[LostCause]

Alas, this topic, much like the issue of poverty, is simply another flash point for the left to distinguish themselves with rhetoric and moral pomp and circumstance, without actually making any sacrifices themselves. They WANT to be the heroes for poverty... but they wont give up their own time and money. Only other peoples. They WANT to be heroes for the environment. But they wont take the bus, or put their pets to sleep, or cut off aid to countries with rampant birth rates. They want to matter. They want prestige. They want moral/intellectual status. But they wont make ANY meaningful sacrificies in their own lives, because they still care more about their own social and financial position than the strangers around the world they pretend to care about.

100% of the discussions that take place on climate change are about rooting out and condescending the deniers. Not making meaningful sacrificies that would add up significantly if even just left wing America would do them.

:biggums: Almost all of this is just wrong and sensationalist

Lots of people make sacrifices that align to their beliefs. Or live certain lifestyles based on them (Taking public transportation, Using hybrid/electric cars, Not using cars at all, Recycling, Etc) It's unrealistic and disingenuous to suggest that because EVERYONE on one side of the political spectrum don't move as a monolith that it's all pomp and show.

Also, 968% of statistics are made up. That "100%" nonsense was pulled straight from your ass with no basis in reality

[Long Duck Dong]

This is narrow thinking.

You are ignoring the effects of climate change on crops, on food chains, on water supplies.



Noticed the first part of your rambling post(wasn't going to read the whole thing). Yes we need to rationally limit C02 emissions and pollution but FYI, crops love C02, they love heat, and they love deforestation. Yes if the planet gets warmer dry areas will get drier but wet areas will get even wetter.

[Prometheus]

Truth hurts, doesn't it, you left wing retard

Figured this was coming from one of you. I'm not left-wing. Registered independent, can't stand morons at either end of the spectrum. In your case, I mean two different things by "spectrum".

[Loco 50]

Nowhere in my post did I introduce an argument proclaiming the need/desire for further population growth.

I mentioned, water shortage, food shortage (the one thing Herpezotile actually addressed), ecosystem collapse and mandatory migration due to loss of habitable land also consequences of worsening climate change.

There are many ways to address the problems, some solutions as simple as planting fvcking trees instead of chopping them down. Others such as shifting away from fossil fuel sources are difficult only from a political standpoint because those that are getting paid have considerable influence and outreach.

The most important change that needs to occur TODAY is recognition that this is a problem and that it is one that we can address with due diligence.

PS: I shouldn't do this, but Herpezotile's argument against developing nations is counterproductive to his own end goal of decreased population. Already developed nations population growth slows considerably when stacked against developing nations. It would behoove his cause to aid those countries to get past the proliferative phase of growth to enter the steady state.

None of this is of interest to me and was not my argument, it just bothers me when stupid people say stupid things.

[Loco 50]

Noticed the first part of your rambling post(wasn't going to read the whole thing). Yes we need to rationally limit C02 emissions and pollution but FYI, crops love C02, they love heat, and they love deforestation. Yes if the planet gets warmer dry areas will get drier but wet areas will get even wetter.
As expected you have a poor understanding of what you speak.

You just stated "dry areas get drier." This means more desert.

You just stated "wet areas will get even wetter." This means less dry land.

Plants are not thriving in either of these conditions, unless you're some visionary that has us transitioning towards an aquatic thriving civilization based on bountiful seaweed supplies. Problem, is we've f'd that up too by polluting the oceans to the point that we have created dead zones that are essentially ocean deserts. Not habitable by plants or animals aside from jellyfish and algae that contribute further to carbon emissions when they decompose.

You stated, "crops love deforestation".

In a limited capacity. Yes, nature was smart and figured out a way to produce extremely beneficial nutrients that will allow new plant-life to thrive in case of fire damage in the form of potash. Those new plants do not have the same capacity to store carbon or remove it from the environment and those new plants will take thousands of years to return to their original state of abundance.

Additionally, if forests burn, that carbon that was stored in those forests is released to the atmosphere to cause further problems. Without those trees we lose our capacity to capture the carbon that already exists. This heats us up further. This causes further drying out of forests and worsening forest fires.

More carbon in the atmosphere, in addition to man's pollution, and methane produced by cattle=continued heating.

Greenhouse effect=productive for plantlife to a point, then they start to die. Then we die.

This is not even taking into consideration the changes that temp change causes to ecosystems that are more difficult to understand until they actually happen.

I've mentioned this before, why is skin cancer so much more prevalent than it used to be?

Because carbon emissions have eroded our ozone layer so profoundly that we are under constant bombardment by ultraviolet rays.

Read.

[tomtucker]

Figured this was coming from one of you. I'm not left-wing. Registered independent, can't stand morons at either end of the spectrum. In your case, I mean two different things by "spectrum".

tell me this..... is it the truth that overpopulation is a huge problem and left wingers will not admit it and tell the muslims in the middle east and africa to stop breeding like rodents?

[LostCause]

tell me this..... is it the truth that overpopulation is a huge problem and left wingers will not admit it and tell the muslims in the middle east and africa to stop breeding like rodents?

How's that relevant when it's not even feasible?

You obviously can't tell entire populations of people to stop breeding. The only people that can do that is their own government but we know that won't happen, see what occurred in China

Though I'm curious about the cognitive dissonance here. You guys are talking shit about the left not caring about overpopulation, yet many on the right have likened birth control/planned parenthood as form of population control and it's being pushed by the left. So which is it?

[Long Duck Dong]

As expected you have a poor understanding of what you speak.

You just stated "dry areas get drier." This means more desert.

You just stated "wet areas will get even wetter." This means less dry land.

Plants are not thriving in either of these conditions, unless you're some visionary that has us transitioning towards an aquatic thriving civilization based on bountiful seaweed supplies. Problem, is we've f'd that up too by polluting the oceans to the point that we have created dead zones that are essentially ocean deserts. Not habitable by plants or animals aside from jellyfish and algae that contribute further to carbon emissions when they decompose.

You stated, "crops love deforestation".

In a limited capacity. Yes, nature was smart and figured out a way to produce extremely beneficial nutrients that will allow new plant-life to thrive in case of fire damage in the form of potash. Those new plants do not have the same capacity to store carbon or remove it from the environment and those new plants will take thousands of years to return to their original state of abundance.

Additionally, if forests burn, that carbon that was stored in those forests is released to the atmosphere to cause further problems. Without those trees we lose our capacity to capture the carbon that already exists. This heats us up further. This causes further drying out of forests and worsening forest fires.

More carbon in the atmosphere, in addition to man's pollution, and methane produced by cattle=continued heating.

Greenhouse effect=productive for plantlife to a point, then they start to die. Then we die.

This is not even taking into consideration the changes that temp change causes to ecosystems that are more difficult to understand until they actually happen.

I've mentioned this before, why is skin cancer so much more prevalent than it used to be?

Because carbon emissions have eroded our ozone layer so profoundly that we are under constant bombardment by ultraviolet rays.

Read.

Yes. Keep on telling me what crops like. What do I know. I only grow them

[Prometheus]

tell me this..... is it the truth that overpopulation is a huge problem and left wingers will not admit it and tell the muslims in the middle east and africa to stop breeding like rodents?

Do you get all of your opinions from bestgore and 4chan?

I don't hear republicans telling muslims to stop breeding either.

Fundamentals of cultural geography, and basic understanding of demographic transitions explains everything you need to know about population growth. It's not a religious problem, it's one of development.

Muslims DO have an issue with breeding, but it isn't about overpopulation - it's inbreeding. That's a whole different topic though.

And in any case... what does any of this have to do with climate change? The only connection you could be making is essentially "F*ck it, let the sea levels rise and kill off as many people as possible". I hope you aren't that insane.

[Loco 50]

Yes. Keep on telling me what crops like. What do I know. I only grow them
That's all you derived from that?

Understanding the carbon cycle will help you to understand that crops do not provide the same benefits as forests.

https://scied.ucar.edu/carbon-cycle

[bladefd]

Noticed the first part of your rambling post(wasn't going to read the whole thing). Yes we need to rationally limit C02 emissions and pollution but FYI, crops love C02, they love heat, and they love deforestation. Yes if the planet gets warmer dry areas will get drier but wet areas will get even wetter.

What in God's name are you mumbling on about? Deforestation is not good in any condition for humanity and life on Earth, period.

Planet warming up may be okay for some crops but not others. It's certainly not good for most animals/fish on Earth and it disturbs the entire food chain. We are screwing around with something much bigger than us with unintended consequences.

[Kblaze8855]

This is narrow thinking.

You are ignoring the effects of climate change on crops, on food chains, on water supplies.

These problems cascade.

Do you understand the crisis that the world will have to deal with as India's water shortage continues? India harbors almost 18% of the world's population alone. So now we have a substantial quantity of people forced into mass migration towards somewhere hospitable in addition to those that have been forced to move due to lost coast lines. You think these migrations are going to be peaceful?

Back to biology though. Something as simple as a few degrees increase is capable of changing the amount of algae or plankton in a body of water, in turn altering the course of everything that feeds on that energy source, or perhaps the algae is toxic (like the red bloom algae) and starts to kill off the fish that lived there as well. Everything that depended on those fish in that biogeographic region suffers as well. You start altering entire regions, then what? How do you think you're going to put that back together? You think those changes aren't eventually going to inconvenience humanity? It takes massive amounts of time to allow biological habitats to develop/recover.

These problems in addition to the usage of pesticides that are causing massive decreases in the world's insect populations which causes losses in birds and fish are devastating. Also: Lose insects=lose pollinators=more crop problems=food shortage.

Fish populations are already under enormous stress due to irresponsible, over-fishing to the point that there are nearly 10 fold amount of dead zones in the ocean compared to 60 years ago. Up to around 405 from from 40 something in the 60's. These are essentially biological deserts/wastelands as far as humanity is concerned. Once again, food chains collapsing. Just cause we don't see it happening in our daily life, doesn't mean it's not happening. That's some ignorant thinking, like I can't see germs so they don't exist type shit.

Deforestation and the forest fires burning out of control in Brazil and Bolivia are wiping out our natural carbon filtration/sequestration. This increases temperatures further. So now we not only have increased carbon emissions from the carbon sources burning, but we have a loss of ability to capture the carbon that has already been emitted.

If you think cancer is a larger problem than global warming, I'm here to tell you that's laughable and I've seen all too many people die from cancer both personally and professionally. Folks aren't going to kill others over not having a cancer cure. People going hungry/thirsty................

Global warming is the largest crisis we face as a species. Will some survive? Of course.
Will life remain remotely similar to what we have become accustomed to? Delusion.

Really, the only good news I've heard related to anything climate related is that we have figured out that we can reduce cow carbon emissions, which are staggeringly significant, to virtually zero by simply feeding them a seaweed diet. Changes as simple as this are needed, but won't happen so long as people refuse to acknowledge the reality of the situation.

Research must be done. Changes must be made. Further delay only digs us a deeper hole.

You're an intelligent, rational person, which is why I bother typing this up.

OP is either a complete imbecile or a troll, either way not really someone who has any influence over anything of any matter. GFY OP along with the rest of you mouth-breathing political hacks.


Im gonna try to lay out my thinking in full now that I have a minute. Its gonna take a while but it seems you really care so ill give you a real answer....



First let me say....all your issue ive been reading about for a long time. We had people pushing the same issues here almost 20 years ago....and long before that offline. I do consider myself rational and willing to hear both sides of an argument and fall where I fall regardless of my preconceptions....and on this one?

Everything I read about climate...the history of the earth...where we seem to be headed....

Im gonna tell you my conclusion....

The Earth has been faaaaaaaaaaaar less hospitable to human life without our input and will be again....without our input. What we are arguing over is the timetable of the inevitable which is why the people pushing it as some kind of fixable immediate crisis lose credibility to me. I believe in the conclusions of unbiased science. So I believe the earth is warming. But the same scientific process of evaluating evidence and finding a conclusion....tells me the earth has gone through massive changes on epic scales long before we were here. The earth used to be a LOT hotter....and a LOT colder....have a LOT more oxygen in the air...or a LOT less...parts of the Sahara were under the sea....glaciers have been in like...Ohio. The glaciers moving back is where we got the great lakes.

Climate change is a crisis like aging is a crisis. Its not preventable....you can only try to age better. But the end result is the same.

This planet is gonna do what it does for billions more years.

Our issue....is the climate changes intruding on our brief sweetspot in history.

We are on a 15 billion year ride with a couple hundred years of shaky records, a couple thousand years of even shakier verbal accounts and legend, and then assumptions built off the content of rock beds and fossils. We find ourselves in a perfect situation for the rise of our civilization and any change is seen as catastrophic. Yea....having less food can be an issue. Our coastlines being under water will be an issue. A dying of this creature and that one. Fine.

But heres the thing.....

The earth kills off much of whats on it from time to time no matter what. THe extension of the dinosaurs wasnt even the worst one. The worst one was the one that allowed the dinosaurs to rise in the first place. Like 80 percent of all "higher" life ended and it took 50 million years to come back in new forms. And most of those new forms died too. And thats before we even had mammals in any great number. To quote the late great George Carlin.....we didnt kill them all......

The earth changes. Sometimes slowly...sometimes all at once(in geological terms all at once is still thousands of years).

The phrasing of all this in dramatic terms does nothing but kill the credibility of those trying to make people listen.

[Kblaze8855]

Its been an "Emergency" for too long for people to keep seeing it as one. Your side attempts to push worldwide gradual changes as issues that must be addressed....only for people to be born grow old and die still hearing the same message. I was hearing about climate change in different words as a kid. And so will people 100 years from now....as they grow old and die in a world they will see as just fine.....outside the normal issues facing life at all times.

You make hunger and drought and disasters out to be some result of climate change as if those things have not plagued every organism that rose out of the muck for 500 million years. Yes....people are hungry. Half of India wouldnt even exist if not for Dwarf wheat being engineered. There have been like 10 famines or droughts that killed millions of people JUST in China and India in the time we have good records of. A full third of India died in a famine during the American revolution. We have always been at the mercy of the rain, wind, heatwaves, and gulf streams. A ****ing volcano going off in south Asia cooled the earth so much through blocking out the sun it was snowing in summer in America about 100 years ago. People thought it was a sign of the end times. This world has us in a cage at its mercy and can kill us whenever it feels like it.

You present all these problems as urgent when all thats happening is a modified timetable of things we cant prevent anyway. In the great scheme of things the earth being warmer or cooler in the brief time we will be on it and in charge is a blip on the history of the world. We arent talking about saving the world. We are talking about comfort in the incredibly brief time we are here to experience it. We are trying to manipulate a system that we are only a small part of. Can we manipulate it? Apparently so given great stretches of time. Can we control it with the precision to prevent the kinds of things you talk about being emergencies? No.


Best case....BEST....we slightly change the time and place of the inevitable.

Places with billions of poor people huddled together and reliant on unbroken supply lines WILL have famines. They had them before the industrial revolution. Insect species WILL die off. They did it before. They will do it again. Storms WILL wipe out coastal areas. Always have. Rivers will flood....children will starve....the rich will mostly escape it to tell the tale while those at the bottom suffer. These things are not optional.

You want to call it an emergency when the best we can do is try to pull the disaster train the other direction to slow it down. But destruction and change...is what the universe does. We would be....even if we all pull the same direction....a goldfish trying to pull a whale.

Know what I call an emergency? What I want to put funding towards? Things that can be solved. Climate change if it can be halted will be done in some star trek future where we can control it globally through technology. That aside....we are trying to control forces greater than us. We can **** up the natural flow of things...alter the time table. Not halt the process. You want to change the nature of humanity and our way of life to put off what cant be prevented. Youre the guy saying dont eat red meat trying to make everyone live to be 100 in a world thats gonna goo n without them for 12 billion years anyway. Global warming is cholesterol in an otherwise mostly fit human. It likely wont kill you tomorrow....and if it did....you were gonna die anyway.

We are gonna be hearing how something must be done right now for the next 500 years....of it not really having to be done right now. The places we can afford to sit around having these talks will be fine for hundreds of years. The people ****ed are the same ones who have been dying by the millions for thousands of years in the same kinda disasters both natural and mad made. The people who can make the most difference arent the ones in immediate trouble so your side has to be alarmist to get anyone to listen but its the portrayal of it as an emergency that gets people just living their lives to ignore you.

You try to tie things that have always and will always happen to an issue that began a couple hundred years ago(from us at least) to scare people into action that doesnt really matter that much in their lives. There is nothing anyone alive can do to prevent droughts, famine, and so on beyond technological means and infrastructure. Stop kicking out greenhouse gases worldwide tomorrow...in 200 years....when there are 3 billion people in china?

A bunch of them would still starve to death because of poverty and supply lines in a time of plenty. A bunch of people would still die when a river floods because 600 million live next to it in shacks. When it doesnt rain for 2 months the people who rely on the harvest will drop dead.

You cant FIX the problems you raise. You want to alter the course of humanity to slow what cant be stopped. Im all for working on things we can defeat.

You cant defeat...outside. Outside wins. It might win next week...it might win in 40 million years. But it wins.

We might...beat cancer. We will not beat whats outside. Outside beat the trilobites, the dinosaurs, and those mammal like reptiles before the dinosaurs. It beat the 3 foot long insects, it beat most of the plant species that ever existed, and its been kicking our ass since long before combustion engines. We live in a void, raised to habitable temperature by a nigh inexhaustible explosion 93 million miles away, on a thin crust floating on an incalculable ocean of molten stone. Life merely rising is unlikely.

We will not win this fight. For all our power we are a pimple on the nuts of this planet. We are here for a good time...not a long time. Im sorry if I dont feel a need to drive a car I dont like over one that kicks out more emissions when there is a time bomb under the table we all live on. The "problem" cant be fixed. It can be slightly altered for our comfort. And by "our" I mean people ill be dead 400 years before the birth of. There is nothing "I" can do for my life climate wise or those of anyone ill meet. So "Emergency" isnt the word id use.

You might as well be one of those people saying "But if we ALL vote third party..." when its not gonna happen. You will be dead loooooooong before the gradual changes are obvious enough to most for them to care. Youre climbing a wall to nowhere and trying to talk people into doing it with you because the floor will be on fire in 3500 years.....when it lights on fire every 50 thousand years no matter what you do.

Its a losing battle because people have true right now problems. Not "emergencies" that are the state of the world from before they are born to after they die. Considering the things we might be able to fix...."outside" seems like a bit too much to tackle. Youre advocating trillions of dollars in changes to put better insulation in the walls and weather stripping on the doors of a home without a roof.

When the world wants in....its getting in. We cant stop it.

Work on what we can stop. You MIGHT....stop cancer. We cant stop the outdoors.

[MaxFly]

You are talking about the salt-based thorium plants?

The problem is not only cost but paranoia too. Anytime someone hears the word nuclear power, they freak out without even looking into it or studying it to see how much the technology has changed since the 1970s. They think of Chernobyl (took shortcuts in manufacturing, human errors) and Fukushima (human error by not building the flood wall high enough), but we can do it better using different technology and more precautions. Thorium is muuuuch safer/cleaner than Uranium, but people are just unwilling to get over their fears and ignorance.

Yup... as well as Transatomic's use of liquid fuel and other advancements. You're right, the fear of nuclear power is a huge hurdle. The will just isn't there.

[warriorfan]

Figured this was coming from one of you. I'm not left-wing. Registered independent, can't stand morons at either end of the spectrum. In your case, I mean two different things by "spectrum".

:lol :lol

[MaxFly]

Noticed the first part of your rambling post(wasn't going to read the whole thing). Yes we need to rationally limit C02 emissions and pollution but FYI, crops love C02, they love heat, and they love deforestation. Yes if the planet gets warmer dry areas will get drier but wet areas will get even wetter.

Crops don't love heat. They love warmth, but absent moderation, excessively hot weather can dry out and damage crops. It can also cause a shortage in our fresh water supply to irrigate our crops.

[MaxFly]

What in God's name are you mumbling on about? Deforestation is not good in any condition for humanity and life on Earth, period.

Planet warming up may be okay for some crops but not others. It's certainly not good for most animals/fish on Earth and it disturbs the entire food chain. We are screwing around with something much bigger than us with unintended consequences.

Added CO2 in the atmosphere leads to more acidic bodies of water...which is not good for sea creatures. We just witnessed something like 160 whales die over the last several months and wash up on beaches. They were emaciated because their food supply was likely inadequate. We don't know if climate change was the culprit, but scientists are certain that it will be the primary culprit in the future for such things.

[Loco 50]

First let me say....all your issue ive been reading about for a long time. We had people pushing the same issues here almost 20 years ago....and long before that offline. I do consider myself rational and willing to hear both sides of an argument and fall where I fall regardless of my preconceptions....and on this one?

This is the most troublesome aspect of this. This problem is so gradual in it's build and grand in it's scale that it is difficult to get even intelligent, rational people on board to tackle it. Easier to say my kids and I will be long gone and I've got more immediate problems to worry about. That's an understandable conclusion, however it's the stereotypical boiling of the frog scenario.


But heres the thing....

The phrasing of all this in dramatic terms does nothing but kill the credibility of those trying to make people listen.
Agree with your summary of earth's history and I agree that catastrophizing does nobody any good.

To tackle global warming as a lower priority issue sure, but I think it's important to understand that we are able to alter the course of things and it doesn't require profound change.

The example I gave with folks discovering that simply by feeding cows seaweed reduces their emissions to essentially zero is substantial and not a difficult change to execute. The issue however, is if nobody is even attempting to work on research like that, because "the earth is f'd anyway" it doesn't get discovered. No need to throw in the towel so easily.

Have to work on the tech as you mentioned and it doesn't have to be as far off as you imagine. Meanwhile, there are so many angles to attack the problem that I just don't see the problem as hopeless.

Problem: Reducing carbon-

Solutions: plant trees/stop deforestation by setting aside land, raise emission standards and tax mass polluters that don't fall in line, require mass polluters to dip into their profits to develop more efficient engines (admittedly fairly negligible), use/develop alternative, cleaner fuel sources (key: research here has been hindered because of politics). Teach/Hire engineers that are able to preserve nature as much as possible while working on city infrastructure. It's not required that our cities be massive concrete slabs, it's just cheap and the routine way we build things. Stop dumping shit in the oceans thinking that it just disappears.

Essentially, stop shitting where we are eating.

The changes are political and they shouldn't be. Our politicians are paid to drag their feet or worse state that these changes are impossible. They're not, it's just the folks lining your pockets as a corrupt official will face lower profits.

As for China, man, leaders lead and others fall in line. The US used to lead, now we point fingers and say, "but they're doing worse." Childish. China is falling in line as their cities breathing standards progressively worsen.

Nobody wants to live or breathe in shit, it's just a lot of folks in charge realize they're going to be dead soon, so their priority is to get paid not make change.

[FultzNationRISE]

it's just a lot of folks in charge realize they're going to be dead soon, so their priority is to get paid not make change.


When are you going to unplug your sprinklers and air conditioning and laptop, sell your car and move to India to teach locals about modern health and hygiene?

Oh, right. You realize youll be dead soon so your priority is to live comfortably not make change.

But the other guy is wrong for it, but not you.

“Hey! Pay that scientist! Tax that company! I want a team deployed to Antarctica to get some samples, NOW. This is NOT a drill, people. This is GLOBAL. WARMING. And because of that, Ill decide where your taxes go and how your business is allowed to operate. Because I’m a try-hard behind a computer screen and that’s my entitlement!”

[FultzNationRISE]

Thats really cool that Willie Norman is using some of his billions for a cause like that.

But... shouldnt we be having random federal bureaucrats collecting that money instead, and being The Deciders of how the research is funded? Wouldnt that be more efficient...?

Like, shouldnt we be politicizing this kinda stuff instead of privatizing it?

hashtag #BigGovernment?


Anyone?

Bueller?

Bueller?


:ohwell:

[Loco 50]

Its been an "Emergency" for too long for people to keep seeing it as one. Your side attempts to push worldwide gradual changes as issues that must be addressed....only for people to be born grow old and die still hearing the same message.
........

I don't necessarily disagree with hardly any of this. Nature is going to win, regardless. Famine/death/disease are nature. However, this is basically the concept of entropy, if you are familiar with physics. It requires energy for an organism/a world to attempt to remain in a steady state/hold off death/equilibrium. Stop putting energy in, death comes faster. People that keep moving tend to hang around a lot longer than those that become sedentary and die. I believe we have the brains/resources to at least attempt to delay the inevitable.


When the world wants in....its getting in. We cant stop it.

Work on what we can stop. You MIGHT....stop cancer. We cant stop the outdoors.
This statement is ironic. Cancer is as inevitable as the earth's eventual demise. Cancer cells are life. Biology. You can't stop biology. It evolves. We can develop a cure for one type of cancer, but guess what, that doesn't do anything for the mechanisms of the any of the other cancers, and, and that cancer cell that temporarily had a cure for it. It can just develop a new path sidetracking it's typical route to nonstop growth; then bam, you've got your cancer back.

It's not very difficult in the grand scheme of evolution. Just need a few DNA sequence flips resulting in altered protein shapes. Nature wants to proliferate. Can't stop it. Can only delay. The saying is, you live long enough, you get cancer. It's the unfortunate truth.

Does this mean I say stop searching for a cure? No, we keep fighting. What the hell else is there to do? Man's continued evolution depends on overcoming the inevitable. Really, it always has and always will be until we dip into sci-fi shit and leave our physical bodies.....

[Loco 50]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]When are you going to unplug your sprinklers and air conditioning and laptop, sell your car and move to India to teach locals about modern health and hygiene?

Oh, right. You realize youll be dead soon so your priority is to live comfortably not make change.

But the other guy is wrong for it, but not you.

[FultzNationRISE]

Those changes are negligible, but it speaks to your ignorance that you think they'd have impact. I do do what I can, however and I don't belittle others if they can't do similar.

Never said anybody was wrong. This is a problem facing humanity that we all own a piece of. Losers like you point fingers and need a culprit.

Cry out, "It's too hard." Loser talk.

You are dumb, Herpezotile. I don't consider you dumb for not knowing or understanding the science. I think you're dumb because you insist on speaking on it and going on rants before you understand it. You also make up imaginary stances and then argue against it. Also dumb.

Do me a favor and stop being dumb. Or at very least, do me the courtesy of not quoting my posts.


Hope you addressed that harangue into the nearest mirror.

“Understand the science” :oldlol:

You are perpetually posting made up science in an insufferably self-important way. Ive seen you attempt to speak authoritatively on medical issues on more than one occasion, then posters who work directly in the field come in and correct you. Another day you were lecturing someone on their drug habits and challenging their claims about their own personal use. In your last post to kblaze you were like “I dont know if you know about physics, but...”

Jesus Christ. :roll: :facepalm

You actually remind me of the old poster boozehound. He was an EXTREMELY pretentious lefty, about your purported age, from Texas. He would read up on topics on wikipedia for the first time, immediately before authoritatively using the info for arguments, and acting like he was an expert in the field. People who knew the topics much better than he did were constantly correcting him. Like it was the EXACT same situation as with you.


Come off it already.... are you ‘boozehound???’

[Loco 50]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Hope you addressed that harangue into the nearest mirror.

[FultzNationRISE]

:oldlol: Now we just makin' up lies, eh? Quote any of that.

I like to help people out when I can. I also like to teach people what I know. An insecure person like yourself may see that as self-important. That's an unfortunate flaw in you, not me.

Have a blessed day.:oldlol:


Thats great, but the problem is you dont know anything.

Here’s ANOTHER example of what Im talking about. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465569&page=3


You try to be a “science guy” by just repeating random science words youve heard, and hoping thatll carry weight with the ill informed.

Problem is people inevitably know the subject better than you do and can see youre bullshitting :facepalm

[Loco 50]

Again, it's not my fault you can't pick up on the fact that I was mocking you. I recall at least one other poster did.

If you have a problem with anything I've spoken of feel free to correct. Just link the article/journal in which it came and I'll check it out.

I think we're done here til you've come up with something substantial.

[eliteballer]

Climate Change deniers will be remembered on the wrong side of history like those who believed in a flat earth or isolationists prior to US entry into WW2.

[MaxFly]

Climate Change deniers will be remembered on the wrong side of history like those who believed in a flat earth or isolationists prior to US entry into WW2.

In general, yes. But in several years, few will own up to having been a climate denier in the early 2000s. Somehow, many of these individuals are always on the right side of history - video, print and audio records be damned. Case in point... Linsdsey Graham (https://www.stltoday.com/news/national/how-lindsey-graham-s-support-for-trump---/article_5826dc51-a797-5543-96a0-6c6ed35ca393.html).

[FultzNationRISE]

Again, it's not my fault you can't pick up on the fact that I was mocking you. I recall at least one other poster did.

If you have a problem with anything I've spoken of feel free to correct. Just link the article/journal in which it came and I'll check it out.

I think we're done here til you've come up with something substantial.

You attempted to refute a basic scientific assertion I made, in a mocking way, then when you were proven to be an ignoramus you fell back on “dude, i was just... mocking you when I said that!!”

In any event, I dont study the scientific data of “global warming.” Nor, Im sure, do you, except for immediately prior to posting on ISH to condemn the “deniers” (which is nobody). However your pompousness when speaking of the issue is clearly not matched by a willingness to sacrifice in equal measure. You want to lecture everyone else, then demand the government foist your mighty decrees upon everyone else.

Youre lazy, selfish, phony, and pretentious. In EVERY thread. On EVERY issue.

It is what it is. :confusedshrug:

[keep-itreal]

https://i.imgur.com/CXEbYkx.png

:oldlol:

[Kblaze8855]

It