In their primes, how much better was Kobe than Wade?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

If at all?

:confusedshrug:

Prime Wade was somewhere around 2005-2012
Prime Kobe was 2001-2010 (you can throw 2013 in there too)

Wade was probably the more consistent defender, better finisher and played better on the big stage (NBA finals). Kobe had more skills on offense and was maybe the better 1-on-1 defender.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Prime Wade (2005-2009) was better than any version of Kobe for sure.

Obviously Wade fell off a cliff after the 09 season. he's one of those guys like Dwight who had a very very short window of elite play

[FultzNationRISE]

Prime Wade (2005-2009) was better than any version of Kobe for sure.

Obviously Wade fell off a cliff after the 09 season. he's one of those guys like Dwight who had a very very short window of elite play


Exactly. Wade and Dwigt both relied heavily on elite athleticism, which is why they peaked early and briefly.

Kobe, by contrast, relied heavily on elite teammates, which is why his success came at more sporadic intervals.

[Doranku]

Peak for peak it's about a wash I'd say. Kobe's prime was better for the simple fact that it was longer.

[imdaman99]

I'm a Kobe guy but Wade's prime was ridiculous. Comparable to MJ. Agree with Doranku, Kobe is better because he maintained it longer.

[RRR3]

I'm a Kobe guy but Wade's prime was ridiculous. Comparable to MJ. Agree with Doranku, Kobe is better because he maintained it longer.
3ball meltdown incoming

[superduper]

It's truly a shame that Bran sabotaged Wade's 2011 FMVP, would've capped off a masterful and all time great playoff run by Wade.

Absolutely the most embarrassing choke in history.

[3ball]

Kobe was better because his game wasn't predicated nearly as much on speed as Wade's game

Which is partially why he aged better

[eliteballer]

How many PED's is Wade using?

[Young X]

He wasn't. They were neck and neck.

[Hey Yo]

If at all?

:confusedshrug:

Prime Wade was somewhere around 2005-2012
Prime Kobe was 2001-2010 (you can throw 2013 in there too)

Wade was probably the more consistent defender, better finisher and played better on the big stage (NBA finals). Kobe had more skills on offense and was maybe the better 1-on-1 defender.
Nothing starts with Kobe until the 2006 season, when he finally became first option / franchise player for the Lakers.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nothing starts with Kobe until the 2006 season, when he finally became first option / franchise player for the Lakers.
This makes absolutely no sense. So you can't even reach your prime if you're not the best player on your team? Did Pippen only have a prime for one season then?

[BigKobeFan]

Anyone can have an elite looking prime if refs give u every call even when you dont get touched

[superduper]

Anyone can have an elite looking prime if refs give u every call even when you dont get touched

Shots fired Bran

[Hey Yo]

This makes absolutely no sense. So you can't even reach your prime if you're not the best player on your team? Did Pippen only have a prime for one season then?
You can't compare their primes if one guy that's being used started his prime 4yrs earlier.

Safe to say Wade was the best player on his team after his rookie season. Kobe wasn't until his 9th season. How prime Kobe played while having prime Shaq from 2001-2004 is going to have better results than what Wade would produce 3yrs later w/o another superstar like Shaq. I'd say Wade hadn't hit his prime yet when he won FMVP.

If they came into the league together (or a year or 2 apart) and both were the best players on their team, going into their primes, then they could be compared.

[RRR3]

Hey D’oh :facepalm


Kobe was clearly in his prime before 2006

[Smoke117]

lol He wasn't better. 2009 Wade is the closest any guard has ever come to Jordan. For all his bullshit all defensive nods, he was never close to Wade's level defensively in 09 while also putting up 30ppg. Wade was also a far superior playmaker in general.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Hey D

[eliteballer]

D-PED

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[AirBonner]

Peak for peak it's about a wash I'd say. Kobe's prime was better for the simple fact that it was longer.
In that case LeBron is the GOAT. Easily 10 thick years of prime

[FromDowntown]

In that case LeBron is the GOAT. Easily 10 thick years of prime

LeBron's prime is as thick as can be, no denying the girth of this prime.

Girthiest prime, without question: LeBron Raymone

[ImKobe]

Prime Wade (2005-2009) was better than any version of Kobe for sure.

Obviously Wade fell off a cliff after the 09 season. he's one of those guys like Dwight who had a very very short window of elite play

05-09 Wade - 27/5/7 256 games
05-09 Kobe - 31/6/5 321 games

Both scored at 57%TS

Wade averaged 7.1 assists to 3.8 turnovers and shot 28% from three on 2 attempts. Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 turnovers with 35% from three on 5 attempts. No real advantage for Wade in any department here. Kobe scored at a higher volume with the same efficiency and was more durable, Wade's offensive game was limited in comparison. You can take any stretch of Wade's prime and Kobe has double of that for his career. Wade's prime is 05-11 vs Kobe's from 00-13. 6 years vs 13.


lol He wasn't better. 2009 Wade is the closest any guard has ever come to Jordan. For all his bullshit all defensive nods, he was never close to Wade's level defensively in 09 while also putting up 30ppg. Wade was also a far superior playmaker in general.

Kobe played great defense while averaging 35 ppg. Wade was putting up 3.5-4 turnovers a game to get his 7 assists, Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 TO in the same time span. Wade was better at shot-blocking but that's the only thing he was better at on defense. Wade only had 1 season that was on par with 01, 03, 06 or 07 Kobe. Kobe simply played at that level for a longer period of time and did it more consistently in the Playoffs. Wade's best Playoff run is 28/6/6 in 2006. That's the only time he played enough games to compete with any of Kobe's runs. Kobe has a 29/7/6 run on a 15 - 1 title team and 30/6/6 across 3 Finals runs with 2 FMVPs. It's not close bro.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hey D’oh :facepalm


Kobe was clearly in his prime before 2006

That poster is missing a few chromosomes. Don't even bother.


05-09 Wade - 27/5/7 256 games
05-09 Kobe - 31/6/5 321 games

Both scored at 57%TS

Wade averaged 7.1 assists to 3.8 turnovers and shot 28% from three on 2 attempts. Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 turnovers with 35% from three on 5 attempts. No real advantage for Wade in any department here. Kobe scored at a higher volume with the same efficiency and was more durable, Wade's offensive game was limited in comparison. You can take any stretch of Wade's prime and Kobe has double of that for his career. Wade's prime is 05-11 vs Kobe's from 00-13. 6 years vs 13.



Kobe played great defense while averaging 35 ppg. Wade was putting up 3.5-4 turnovers a game to get his 7 assists, Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 TO in the same time span. Wade was better at shot-blocking but that's the only thing he was better at on defense. Wade only had 1 season that was on par with 01, 03, 06 or 07 Kobe. Kobe simply played at that level for a longer period of time and did it more consistently in the Playoffs. Wade's best Playoff run is 28/6/6 in 2006. That's the only time he played enough games to compete with any of Kobe's runs. Kobe has a 29/7/6 run on a 15 - 1 title team and 30/6/6 across 3 Finals runs with 2 FMVPs. It's not close bro.

And their numbers in the playoffs?

I think you're selling Wade's efficiency in the postseason...and defense overall...short. Wade was arguably better in the playoffs BUT definitely greater FINALS performer - that isn't debatable.

RAPM also has Wade's defense a bit above Kobe's. Just throwing that out there.

[RRR3]

That poster is missing a few chromosomes. Don't even bother.



And their numbers in the playoffs?

I think you're selling Wade's efficiency in the postseason...and defense overall...short. Wade was arguably better in the playoffs BUT definitely greater FINALS performer - that isn't debatable.

RAPM also has Wade's defense a bit above Kobe's. Just throwing that out there.
You’re talking to someone who thinks it’s reasonable to list Kobe 2nd on the GOAT list while simultaneously ranking LeBron 10th.

[Smoke117]

05-09 Wade - 27/5/7 256 games
05-09 Kobe - 31/6/5 321 games

Both scored at 57%TS

Wade averaged 7.1 assists to 3.8 turnovers and shot 28% from three on 2 attempts. Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 turnovers with 35% from three on 5 attempts. No real advantage for Wade in any department here. Kobe scored at a higher volume with the same efficiency and was more durable, Wade's offensive game was limited in comparison. You can take any stretch of Wade's prime and Kobe has double of that for his career. Wade's prime is 05-11 vs Kobe's from 00-13. 6 years vs 13.



Kobe played great defense while averaging 35 ppg. Wade was putting up 3.5-4 turnovers a game to get his 7 assists, Kobe averaged 5 assists to 3 TO in the same time span. Wade was better at shot-blocking but that's the only thing he was better at on defense. Wade only had 1 season that was on par with 01, 03, 06 or 07 Kobe. Kobe simply played at that level for a longer period of time and did it more consistently in the Playoffs. Wade's best Playoff run is 28/6/6 in 2006. That's the only time he played enough games to compete with any of Kobe's runs. Kobe has a 29/7/6 run on a 15 - 1 title team and 30/6/6 across 3 Finals runs with 2 FMVPs. It's not close bro.

lol are you joking? Kobe barely played any defense at all in 06 when he was putting up his career high in ppg. Are you really this daft that you actually believe he was an all defensive player in 06? Well, yes, you are a stan, so yeah. :oldlol: You should probably learn basketball before you post again if you think Kobe was anything close to an all defensive player in 06. All advanced stats show him as a negative and you don't even need those...anyone who actually watched the lakers in 06 knows he was worthless on the defensive end that season while the coaches gave him nod for doing absolutely nothing.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You’re talking to someone who thinks it’s reasonable to list Kobe 2nd on the GOAT list while simultaneously ranking LeBron 10th.

:oldlol:

Been watching game tape of Wade lately (the NBA just released a dope career mixtape of his). His prime, while shorter than Kobe's, was fukking ridiculous. Especially the years he wasn't playing thru an injury. You kind of forget how explosive he was...and how entertaining he could be.

If you've seen some of 80s Jordan? That is Wade in the modern era. I think Dwyane had better handles though.

[warriorfan]

Wade at age 30 and 31 needed LeBron James to win back to back titles

Kobe at age 30 and 31 needed Pau Gasol to win back to back titles

/thread

[scuzzy]

03 Heat - 25 wins, lottery

04 Rookie Wade w Odom/Butler - 42 wins, semis

================

03 Shaq - 56 wins, Finals

04 Prime Kobe w Odom/Butler - 34 wins, lottery



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[RRR3]

03 Heat - 25 wins, lottery

04 Rookie Wade w Odom/Butler - 42 wins, semis

================

03 Shaq - 56 wins, Finals

04 Prime Kobe w Odom/Butler - 34 wins, lottery



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They also were BETTER in the 16 games Kobe missed in 05 :roll:

[Manny98]

06 Wade was better than Kobe ever was

[BasedTom]

https://i.postimg.cc/T11FXLvZ/5ZfbTFf.jpg

[And1AllDay]

Kobe is 2 all time only behind legoat


bran
kobe
russell
kareem
shaq
wilt


top 6 list

[ImKobe]

That poster is missing a few chromosomes. Don't even bother.



And their numbers in the playoffs?

I think you're selling Wade's efficiency in the postseason...and defense overall...short. Wade was arguably better in the playoffs BUT definitely greater FINALS performer - that isn't debatable.

RAPM also has Wade's defense a bit above Kobe's. Just throwing that out there.

I'm not. Wade has ONE great post-season run to his name. Kobe's greater because he sustained that level of play for a much longer time, not only that but he was a better offensive player. I don't think you'll see anyone argue otherwise.

How is he a greater Finals performer? Because he averaged 35 ppg against an 11th ranked defense that Kobe dropped 62 on in 3 quarters the same season? Oh, I'm sorry that Kobe was playing against elite defenses in the Finals in the pre-handcheck era. It's more impressive that Kobe put up 32/6/7 against a #1 ranked defense than Wade averaging 35/8/4 against a mediocre one. And Wade only has that one series to hang on, his 11-14 Finals series aren't on Kobe's level. How you gonna say Wade's a better Finals performer than Kobe, when this is what he did from age 30-32

2012: 23/6/5 51.6%TS
2013: 20/4/5 50.5%TS
2014: 15/4/3 50.3%TS

Now here's Kobe from 29-31

2008: 26/5/5 50.5%TS
2009: 32/6/7 52.5%TS
2010: 29/8/4 52.8%TS

Kobe also played the better defenses and was the #1 option while Wade had peak Lebron to take all the attention away from him.

[LAmbruh]

03 Heat - 25 wins, lottery

04 Rookie Wade w Odom/Butler - 42 wins, semis

================

03 Shaq - 56 wins, Finals

04 Prime Kobe w Odom/Butler - 34 wins, lottery



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checkmate

[Mr Feeny]

I'm not sure how this is even a debate. At their beat, Wade was clearly a better player by a significant margin. Kobe's argument is his longevity vs Wade's non existent longevity.

At their peaks, Wade was a tier above.

[Mr Feeny]

lol He wasn't better. 2009 Wade is the closest any guard has ever come to Jordan. For all his bullshit all defensive nods, he was never close to Wade's level defensively in 09 while also putting up 30ppg. Wade was also a far superior playmaker in general.

This. Wade from 2006-2010 was Jordan-esque more than anyone I've ever seen. Wade was putting up 100 blocks in a season with 150 steals while playing some of the best man to man defense on the planet. To anyone who was actually watching, there wasn't a guard in basketball and not a player - except for Lebron -who was on wade's level.

It's not about him averaging 30ppg. He was doing so while being the primary playmaker and playing some of the best defense in basketball. Only Lebron was at that level at the time, and Chris Paul came close for a short stint.

Wade at his peak is among the greatest players ever. Peak isn't everything but if it was, Wade is easily a top 7-8 player.

[305Baller]

So much so that Wade started painting his nails

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I'm not. Wade has ONE great post-season run to his name. Kobe's greater because he sustained that level of play for a much longer time, not only that but he was a better offensive player. I don't think you'll see anyone argue otherwise.

How is he a greater Finals performer? Because he averaged 35 ppg against an 11th ranked defense that Kobe dropped 62 on in 3 quarters the same season? Oh, I'm sorry that Kobe was playing against elite defenses in the Finals in the pre-handcheck era. It's more impressive that Kobe put up 32/6/7 against a #1 ranked defense than Wade averaging 35/8/4 against a mediocre one. And Wade only has that one series to hang on, his 11-14 Finals series aren't on Kobe's level. How you gonna say Wade's a better Finals performer than Kobe, when this is what he did from age 30-32

2012: 23/6/5 51.6%TS
2013: 20/4/5 50.5%TS
2014: 15/4/3 50.3%TS

Now here's Kobe from 29-31

2008: 26/5/5 50.5%TS
2009: 32/6/7 52.5%TS
2010: 29/8/4 52.8%TS

Kobe also played the better defenses and was the #1 option while Wade had peak Lebron to take all the attention away from him.

Wade was a better finals performer in his prime. Not 2013 and 2014.

Also


Wade has ONE great post-season run to his name.

:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

That poster is missing a few chromosomes. Don't even bother.
Says the dumbass who wants to compare primes for 2 players that were drafted 8yrs apart.

[ImKobe]

This. Wade from 2006-2010 was Jordan-esque more than anyone I've ever seen. Wade was putting up 100 blocks in a season with 150 steals while playing some of the best man to man defense on the planet. To anyone who was actually watching, there wasn't a guard in basketball and not a player - except for Lebron -who was on wade's level.

It's not about him averaging 30ppg. He was doing so while being the primary playmaker and playing some of the best defense in basketball. Only Lebron was at that level at the time, and Chris Paul came close for a short stint.

Wade at his peak is among the greatest players ever. Peak isn't everything but if it was, Wade is easily a top 7-8 player.

LMFAO. You're comparing an average jumpshooter like Wade to Kobe & Jordan? Please stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself. Wade is a career 38% mid-range shooter with below 30% from three. There's no comparison. So he had one comparable RS season and one comparable post-season run to Kobe. Kobe did 2009 Wade numbers in the hand-check era.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Says the dumbass who wants to compare primes for 2 players that were drafted 8yrs apart.

Drafted 8 years apart...? Players are compared across ERAS.

Really though. How do you manage to tie your own shoelaces?

[Mr Feeny]

LMFAO. You're comparing an average jumpshooter like Wade to Kobe & Jordan? Please stop posting, you're embarrassing yourself. Wade is a career 38% mid-range shooter with below 30% from three. There's no comparison. So he had one comparable RS season and one comparable post-season run to Kobe. Kobe did 2009 Wade numbers in the hand-check era.


We know. There's no comparison at all. Wade's peak is significantly higher than your idol's.

[Mr Feeny]

Says the dumbass who wants to compare primes for 2 players that were drafted 8yrs apart.

Why can't you compare primes of players who were born 8 years apart?:cheers:

[warriorfan]

Prime Wade lost with Prime LeBron vs Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry

End of discussion

[Mr Feeny]

Prime Wade lost with Prime LeBron vs Dirk Nowitzki and Jason Terry

End of discussion

Lebron was a shell of himself and took responsibility for that loss against Dallas. What's Kobe's responsibility for losing with prime Shaq against Rip Hamilton and T Prince?

[ImKobe]

We know. There's no comparison at all. Wade's peak is significantly higher than your idol's.



Wade 2005 - 24.1 ppg on 56.1%TS
Wade 2006 - 27.3 ppg on 57.7%TS
Wade 2007 - 27.4 ppg on 58.3%TS, missed 30 games
Wade 2008 - 24.6 ppg on 54.9%TS, missed 30 games
Wade 2009 - 30.2 ppg on 57.4%TS

Kobe 2005 - 27.6 ppg on 56.3%TS
Kobe 2006 - 35.4 ppg on 55.9%TS
Kobe 2007 - 31.6 ppg on 58.0%TS
Kobe 2008 - 28.3 ppg on 57.6%TS
Kobe 2009 - 26.8 ppg on 56.1%TS


You can argue 2006 because Wade had a Playoff run, but if you think Wade was better any other year, you're delusional. "oh but he averaged 30 in 2009!", on a first round exit team while Kobe averaged 30 in the Playoffs on a title team with 32/6/7 in the Finals. :lol

Superior version of Kobe gets swept by Luol Deng & Kirk Hinrich Bulls :kobe:

[warriorfan]

Lebron was a shell of himself and took responsibility for that loss against Dallas. What's Kobe's responsibility for losing with prime Shaq against Rip Hamilton and T Prince?

2004 Pistons > 2011 Dallas any day of the week

2004 Pistons had perhaps the GOAT defense. The NBA was literally forced to change the rule book because of them. The 2004 Pistons are the reason for the new “no defense” NBA. (The NBA LeBron James has been fortunate enough to play in his entire career.)

[Hey Yo]

Drafted 8 years apart...? Players are compared across ERAS.

Really though. How do you manage to tie your own shoelaces?
You're wanting to compare Kobe's prime when he wasn't even the best player on his team for 3 of those years to Wade's prime when he WAS the best player on his team. You don't see how goddamn stupid that is???

Defenses defend players different if you're first option than if you're second option. How do you not understand that??

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]2004 Pistons > 2011 Dallas any day of the week

2004 Pistons had perhaps the GOAT defense. The NBA was literally forced to change the rule book because of them. The 2004 Pistons are the reason for the new

[superduper]

If they did, then they wouldn't have been such a huge underdog.

A team that 3peated was the favorite over the Pistons?

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[Mr Feeny]

Wade 2005 - 24.1 ppg on 56.1%TS
Wade 2006 - 27.3 ppg on 57.7%TS
Wade 2007 - 27.4 ppg on 58.3%TS, missed 30 games
Wade 2008 - 24.6 ppg on 54.9%TS, missed 30 games
Wade 2009 - 30.2 ppg on 57.4%TS

Kobe 2005 - 27.6 ppg on 56.3%TS
Kobe 2006 - 35.4 ppg on 55.9%TS
Kobe 2007 - 31.6 ppg on 58.0%TS
Kobe 2008 - 28.3 ppg on 57.6%TS
Kobe 2009 - 26.8 ppg on 56.1%TS


You can argue 2006 because Wade had a Playoff run, but if you think Wade was better any other year, you're delusional. "oh but he averaged 30 in 2009!", on a first round exit team while Kobe averaged 30 in the Playoffs on a title team with 32/6/7 in the Finals. :lol

Superior version of Kobe gets swept by Luol Deng & Kirk Hinrich Bulls :kobe:


Why on earth am I looking at ppg? And what on earth does that have to do with who the better player was?

[Mr Feeny]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]2004 Pistons > 2011 Dallas any day of the week

2004 Pistons had perhaps the GOAT defense. The NBA was literally forced to change the rule book because of them. The 2004 Pistons are the reason for the new

[Mr Feeny]

A team that 3peated was the favorite over the Pistons?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.jpg

That's what he's saying. The lakers lost as overwhelming favourites because your hero wet the bed on the biggest stage. As usual.

[warriorfan]

If they did, then they wouldn't have been such a huge underdog.

Nice deflect bro, 2004 Pistons were a much better team than the 2011 Mavericks. Deal with it.

[Hey Yo]

A team that 3peated was the favorite over the Pistons?

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.jpg
So you're saying that MJ's Bulls were the favorites against Orlando in 95 cause they 3-peated 2yrs prior?

[Hey Yo]

Nice deflect bro, 2004 Pistons were a much better team than the 2011 Mavericks. Deal with it.
No deflect here, chico. Was just bustin' facts.

2004 Pistons were also better than Wade's 2011 Heat.

[ImKobe]

Why on earth am I looking at ppg? And what on earth does that have to do with who the better player was?

So Kobe being a better scorer has nothing to do with him being a better player? You said Wade was way superior. So he was leagues above Kobe defensively? Do you even believe the shit you post?

[RRR3]

So Kobe being a better scorer has nothing to do with him being a better player? You said Wade was way superior. So he was leagues above Kobe defensively? Do you even believe the shit you post?
Kobe chucking up more shots on worse efficiency doesn’t make him a better scorer.

[JohnnySic]

Harden is better than both. :dancin

[ImKobe]

Kobe chucking up more shots on worse efficiency doesn’t make him a better scorer.

Are you illiterate or something? Wade's best season is 30.2 ppg on 57.4%TS, Kobe's best is 31.6 ppg on 58.0%TS. Kobe could average more points on higher efficiency.

"But look at the FG%!" Yeah, let's ignore the 3-point and FT shooting when it comes to scoring. Wade was a poor 3PT shooter and an average/streaky mid-range shooter at best, that's half the scoring game.

Wade's better in the paint due to his athletic ability and added muscle, Kobe dominates the post, mid-range and he's a superior 3-point shooter. You want to allude to Wade's 7 assist seasons to say he's a better playmaker, Kobe ran the offense on 5 title teams. Wade's limited offensive game also limited his prime. He was done as an elite scorer as soon as his athleticism started to decline.

[LAmbruh]

Nice deflect bro, 2004 Pistons were a much better team than the 2011 Mavericks. Deal with it.
And 2011 Terry beat the piss out of Kobe worse than little Rip did

Yikes

[ImKobe]

And 2011 Mavs beat the piss out of Kobe worse than little Rip did

Yikes

Up 2 - 1 in 2011, what happened to your boys? Didn't you also take 3 straight Ls?

Game 6

Wade +3
Bosh +4
Chalmers +5

Bran -24

:applause:

[LAmbruh]

Kobe Bryant

Were getting broom sticked in 1st-2nd rounds is fine dining :yaohappy:

[ImKobe]

Kobe Bryant

Were getting broom sticked in 1st-2nd rounds is fine dining :yaohappy:

Better than Bran's "Playoff mode" last year :cry:

[RRR3]

Better than Bran's "Playoff mode" last year :cry:
Don’t make me bring up 2005

[LAmbruh]

Kobe Bryant


Where playoff participation failed to exist outside the 2nd round his Final 6 years :yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

And 2011 Terry beat the piss out of Kobe worse than little Rip did

Yikes

Terry whipped prime Wade and Prime LeBron that year too...

Yikes!

[RRR3]

Are you illiterate or something? Wade's best season is 30.2 ppg on 57.4%TS, Kobe's best is 31.6 ppg on 58.0%TS. Kobe could average more points on higher efficiency.

"But look at the FG%!" Yeah, let's ignore the 3-point and FT shooting when it comes to scoring. Wade was a poor 3PT shooter and an average/streaky mid-range shooter at best, that's half the scoring game.

Wade's better in the paint due to his athletic ability and added muscle, Kobe dominates the post, mid-range and he's a superior 3-point shooter. You want to allude to Wade's 7 assist seasons to say he's a better playmaker, Kobe ran the offense on 5 title teams. Wade's limited offensive game also limited his prime. He was done as an elite scorer as soon as his athleticism started to decline.
https://youtu.be/IrjRvZTyD-g

What a skilled playmaker

[ImKobe]

Kobe Bryant


Where playoff participation failed to exist outside the 2nd round his Final 6 years :yaohappy:

So we making fun of players getting injured now?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Are you illiterate or something? Wade's best season is 30.2 ppg on 57.4%TS, Kobe's best is 31.6 ppg on 58.0%TS. Kobe could average more points on higher efficiency.

"But look at the FG%!" Yeah, let's ignore the 3-point and FT shooting when it comes to scoring. Wade was a poor 3PT shooter and an average/streaky mid-range shooter at best, that's half the scoring game.

Wade's better in the paint due to his athletic ability and added muscle, Kobe dominates the post, mid-range and he's a superior 3-point shooter. You want to allude to Wade's 7 assist seasons to say he's a better playmaker, Kobe ran the offense on 5 title teams. Wade's limited offensive game also limited his prime. He was done as an elite scorer as soon as his athleticism started to decline.

You're ignoring the playoffs again. Or just in denial.

Wade's best playoff series during his prime
33ppg on 65%TS
29ppg on 57%TS
28ppg on 59%TS

Kobes best playoff series during his prime
33ppg on 56%TS
32ppg on 53%TS
30ppg on 58%TS

You couple this with defense? Hardly a gap if any. Again, Wade's defense was high impact. Kobe was inconsistent defensively during his scoring binges.

[scuzzy]

And 2011 Terry beat the piss out of Kobe worse than little Rip did

Yikes
Ouch

[ImKobe]

https://youtu.be/IrjRvZTyD-g

What a skilled playmaker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fZRHUhZYxA

[Doranku]

'09 Wade gets so incredibly overrated on this board. It's like the playoffs didn't exist that year. You guys realize he lost to Iso Joe and the Hawks in the first round, right? The team that LeBron would quite literally single handedly sweep in the next round.

Wade's numbers fell from 30/5/8 on 49% to 29/5/5 on 44%. Look at how bad the Heat struggled to score in that series. Games of 64, 71, and 78 points. Imagine a Kobe-led team struggling to score 80 points against a pedestrian team like the Hawks. Would never happen. :oldlol:

Jordanesque. :lol More like Russell Westbrook-esque. And it's not like Wade had another season comparable to that. Never came close to 30 ppg again, 27.4 was his next highest. '06 was the only other impressive year during his short ass prime. Then you've got a couple first round exits and a 15 win season.

The man was all-time great the entire '06 season, and the '09 regular season. Outside of those two years, he was a tier below Kobe.

[Doranku]

You're ignoring the playoffs again. Or just in denial.

Wade's best playoff series during his prime
33ppg on 65%TS
29ppg on 57%TS
28ppg on 59%TS

Kobes best playoff series during his prime
33ppg on 56%TS
32ppg on 53%TS
30ppg on 58%TS

You couple this with defense? Hardly a gap if any. Again, Wade's defense was high impact. Kobe was inconsistent defensively during his scoring binges.

I think you forgot some of Kobe's series' bro:


35/9/4 on 59% TS in the 2001 WCSF
33/7/7 on 57% TS in the 2001 WCF
34/5/6 on 59% TS in the 2008 first round
33/7/7 on 63% TS in the 2008 WCSF
34/6/6 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF
32/4/6 on 61% TS in the 2010 WCSF
34/7/8 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF

[ImKobe]

I think you forgot some of Kobe's series' bro:


35/9/4 on 59% TS in the 2001 WCSF
33/7/7 on 57% TS in the 2001 WCF
34/5/6 on 59% TS in the 2008 first round
33/7/7 on 63% TS in the 2008 WCSF
32/4/6 on 61% TS in the 2009 WCSF
34/6/6 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF
34/7/8 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF.

Peep how Kobe in Conference Finals alone shits on Wade's first round exit numbers :roll: But let them brag about him putting up 35 ppg against an 11th ranked defense that Kobe outscored in 3 quarter, or him putting up numbers against Boston while losing in 5 games.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think you forgot some of Kobe's series' bro:


35/9/4 on 59% TS in the 2001 WCSF
33/7/7 on 57% TS in the 2001 WCF
34/5/6 on 59% TS in the 2008 first round
33/7/7 on 63% TS in the 2008 WCSF
32/4/6 on 61% TS in the 2009 WCSF
34/6/6 on 63% TS in the 2009 WCF
34/7/8 on 64% TS in the 2010 WCF.

I meant best postseason averages.

Kobe's had killer series. No doubt.

If we went by only series tho, I'd just post Wade's against the 06 Mavs. Or Wizards and Pistons in 2005 and 2006 etc. Maybe a 2010 Boston creampie too :oldlol:

[Doranku]

I meant best postseason averages.

Kobe's had killer series. No doubt.

If we went by only series tho, I'd just post Wade's against the 06 Mavs. Or Wizards and Pistons in 2005 and 2006 etc. Maybe a 2010 Boston creampie too :oldlol:

Ah, yeah you had it listed as "best playoff series" and I saw that the first numbers you posted for Wade was his series against the 2010 Celtics. Didn't know you meant overall postseason.

[warriorfan]

Prime shaq 3 peated with kobe

Prime bron only back to back with wade

Shaq > Bron

[Mr Feeny]

So Kobe being a better scorer has nothing to do with him being a better player? You said Wade was way superior. So he was leagues above Kobe defensively? Do you even believe the shit you post?

As the Lebron stan said, taking a shtload of more shots and tricking doesn't make you a better player.

And yes, wade in his prime was much better defender than Kobe was when he was in his prime.

Do I believe what I post? This coming from a Kobe stan who said that Kobe was the lead dog in 4 of his 5 titles?:oldlol:

[RRR3]

As the Lebron stan said, taking a shtload of more shots and tricking doesn't make you a better player.

And yes, wade in his prime was much better defender than Kobe was when he was in his prime.

Do I believe what I post? This coming from a Kobe stan who said that Kobe was the lead dog in 4 of his 5 titles?:oldlol:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Prime shaq 3 peated with kobe

Prime bron only back to back with wade

Shaq > Bron

Maybe. They're both better than Kobe either way.

[warriorfan]

Maybe. They're both better than Kobe either way.

Prime LeBron needed Wade to go back to back

Prime Kobe needed Pau Gasol

[Mr Feeny]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

I'm not kidding either. Kobe stans are probably the most delusional fanbase in sports. Imagine someone with more than 3 brain cells actually convincing themselves of that. What bubble do these guys live in?

[ImKobe]

As the Lebron stan said, taking a shtload of more shots and tricking doesn't make you a better player.

And yes, wade in his prime was much better defender than Kobe was when he was in his prime.

Do I believe what I post? This coming from a Kobe stan who said that Kobe was the lead dog in 4 of his 5 titles?:oldlol:

"shitload more" he says

2009 Wade - 22.0 FGA 9.8 FTA 30.2 ppg at 38.6 mpg
2007 Kobe - 22.8 FGA 10.0 FTA 31.6 ppg at 40.2 mpg

Per 100 poss

2009 Wade - 30.5 FGA 13.5 FTA
2007 Kobe - 28.7 FGA 12.6 FTA

Looks like you're talking out of your ass again.

Kobe led 4 title teams in shot attempts and assists, but apparently that makes him a role player and we should take away half of those, according to idiots on ISH.

[Smoke117]

"shitload more" he says

2009 Wade - 22.0 FGA 9.8 FTA 30.2 ppg at 38.6 mpg
2007 Kobe - 22.8 FGA 10.0 FTA 31.6 ppg at 40.2 mpg

Per 100 poss

2009 Wade - 30.5 FGA 13.5 FTA
2007 Kobe - 28.7 FGA 12.6 FTA

Looks like you're talking out of your ass again.

Wade was a much better playmaker and defensive player, though. Actually putting the effort on both sides game to game.

[sammichoffate]

If you're taking longevity into account, Kobe's Prime lasted from 2001-2011 while Wade was 2006-2011. Peak-wise, Kobe was slightly better but it was really a wash because Wade(09 in particular) was just as good at certain points.

[Doranku]

Wade was a much better playmaker and defensive player, though. Actually putting the effort on both sides game to game.

Wade was one of the best defensive guards to play the game so I'll give you defense, but '08-10 Kobe was just as good of a playmaker as Wade was.

[red1]

kobe was the guy I wanted wade to surpass career-wise he didn't do prime for prime peak for peak they were different but equal IMO two of the GOAT shootings guards. they are a tier above the other great wings of our era guys like iverson tmac carter pierce ginobili ray allen more recently harden etc

[RRR3]

kobe was the guy I wanted wade to surpass career-wise he didn't do prime for prime peak for peak they were different but equal IMO two of the GOAT shootings guards. they are a tier above the other great wings of our era guys like iverson tmac carter pierce ginobili ray allen more recently harden etc
Harden is in the same tier if we’re being objective. McGrady was as well during his brief prime.

[nashwade]

Fact: Kobe never had any playoff performance throughout his career like Wade'06

peak for peak alone, Wade is better

[Mr Feeny]

"shitload more" he says

2009 Wade - 22.0 FGA 9.8 FTA 30.2 ppg at 38.6 mpg
2007 Kobe - 22.8 FGA 10.0 FTA 31.6 ppg at 40.2 mpg

Per 100 poss

2009 Wade - 30.5 FGA 13.5 FTA
2007 Kobe - 28.7 FGA 12.6 FTA

Looks like you're talking out of your ass again.

Kobe led 4 title teams in shot attempts and assists, but apparently that makes him a role player and we should take away half of those, according to idiots on ISH.

This has to be a windup. Otherwise I'm embarrassed for you. Tell me you dont think that leading a team in SHOT ATTEMPTS (and missing 65%) of them means that you're the undisputed lead dog of that team.

Even you can't be this dumb.

[Mr Feeny]

Wade was one of the best defensive guards to play the game so I'll give you defense, but '08-10 Kobe was just as good of a playmaker as Wade was.

On what planet?

[RRR3]

This has to be a windup. Otherwise I'm embarrassed for you. Tell me you dont think that leading a team in SHOT ATTEMPTS (and missing 65%) of them means that you're the undisputed lead dog of that team.

Even you can't be this dumb.
Dude legit has convinced himself Kobe is 1st or 2nd all time.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bump.

Just saw this video on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkxBtQRQ_Ns

These 2009 clips are absurd :eek: :biggums:

[LAmbruh]

hmmmm

[ImKobe]

This has to be a windup. Otherwise I'm embarrassed for you. Tell me you dont think that leading a team in SHOT ATTEMPTS (and missing 65%) of them means that you're the undisputed lead dog of that team.

Even you can't be this dumb.


You do realize Shaq wasn't actually that efficient regardless of his FG%, right? Their TS% through the 3 title runs was about 3% apart (less than 1% in 2001) and Kobe took slightly more FGAs.


And guess what, the lead dog usually takes the most shots and closes out the games. Kobe did that and also ran the offense in 2001 and 2002. Shaq got fed the easy shots and opposing defenses fouled him on purpose at times because he wasn't that efficient at the FT line, Kobe didn't have a weakness to his scoring game by 2001, long 2s or 3s are obviously less likely to go in but someone has to bail out the offense.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bump.

Just saw this video on Youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkxBtQRQ_Ns

These 2009 clips are absurd :eek: :biggums:
They removed the video already :biggums:

[Jay-B]

Why do I not agree with all this Wade hype? Kobe > Wade. By far.

[Prometheus]

Disrespecting Kobe has become the cool thing to do.

Probably because of how obnoxious his Laker fanboys were during his playing days.

Now we've circled back around.

Kobe > Wade, hands down. Every player who played against both will agree.

[RRR3]

You do realize Shaq wasn't actually that efficient regardless of his FG%, right? Their TS% through the 3 title runs was about 3% apart (less than 1% in 2001) and Kobe took slightly more FGAs.


And guess what, the lead dog usually takes the most shots and closes out the games. Kobe did that and also ran the offense in 2001 and 2002. Shaq got fed the easy shots and opposing defenses fouled him on purpose at times because he wasn't that efficient at the FT line, Kobe didn't have a weakness to his scoring game by 2001, long 2s or 3s are obviously less likely to go in but someone has to bail out the offense.
Kobe wasn’t a good 3PT shooter during the 3peat. No weaknesses doe

[Prometheus]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Kobe wasn

[RRR3]

Pretty good in the playoffs, actually.
2000: 34.4% on 2.9 attempts

2001: 32.4% on 2.1 attempts

2002: 37.9% on 3.1 attempts

Low volume and only shot well in 1/3 runs.