How could the "goat" team up with a player this much better than Kobe.. and lose?

[3ball]

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Wade was the #2 player behind Lebron in 2010:



WADE 2010:. 27/5/7.. 28.0 PER.. 0.224 ws.. 9.4 bpm.. 8.0 vorp
KOBE' 2010:. 27/5/5.. 21.9 PER.. 0.160 ws.. 3.6 bpm.. 4.0 vorp


But how could the "goat" team up with the next best player in the league and not win every time?... :biggums:

How could the "goat" team up with the next best player in the league and then lose in 2011, and be the underdog in 2012?.. How could they lose or be an underdog 3 of 4 years including a record defeat and goat choke?

Wait.. they had a top 4 PF and the 2nd goat shooter too?... 4 HOF's? yet only 2/4?
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[Turbo Slayer]

Goat team was the warriors. LeBron whooped that ass.

[MoBe1Kanobi]

Because in the mid 2000s Nike had to pour all it's resources into one mega star and since Adidas already did the ground work for establishing Kobe's sneaker presence, Nike had to prioritize LeBron to the media over Kobe and establish him for the long run. The funny thing is despite this, Kobe's shoes still sell better.
:roll:

[3ball]

Goat + next best player = dominant dynasty, not losing and underdog

So something is off in the equation.. obviously lebron isn't goat - that's the problem with the equation

[FultzNationRISE]

Wade

[3ball]

Wade’s peak was more brilliant than Kobe’s but he was COMPLETELY washed by the time Bron got there. Literally everyone knows this.
Actually, everyone knows that Wade still had some prime left through 2012

Only in 2013 was he reduced to Pippen-level (only 20/5/5 in the Finals)

Wade was top 2 in 2010, so teaming up with Wade = MJ teaming up with Bird... Lebron should've 4-peated
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[AirTupac]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Wade

[Turbo Slayer]

Goat team was the warriors. LeBron whooped that ass. this

[AirTupac]

this


wrong account retard :facepalm

[Turbo Slayer]

wrong account retard :facepalm
Daheezy bully

[3ball]

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Wade was top 2 in 2010, so teaming up with Wade = MJ teaming up with Bird... Lebron should've 4-peated and won 70+

[Ainosterhaspie]

2014 Wade <<<<<<<<<<<< 2010 Wade. There is no argument that 2010 Wade has any relevance to 2014 Wade.

2011 James played awful in the finals. Yes if he played even remotely close to his abilities they probably win. Thanks for that revelation.

Are we done here?






(Just wondering, how do James 2011 finals stats stack up to Jordan's 1994 finals stats? Both players in their prime so that should be a good comparison.)

[3ball]

2014 Wade <<<<<<<<<<<< 2010 Wade. There is no argument that 2010 Wade has any relevance to 2014 Wade.


When did Wade average 15 on 34% like 96' pippen?.. Yet mj still won those Finals

When did bosh or love average 4/8 for the entire playoffs like 97' Rodman?.. Yet mj still won that year

And pip averaged 15 on 41% in the 98' Finals, while rodman averaged 4/8... Yet mj still won

So quit making excuses...

[Hey Yo]

When did Wade average 15 on 34% like 96' pippen?.. Yet mj still won those Finals

When did bosh or love average 4/8 for the entire playoffs like 97' Rodman?.. Yet mj still won that year

And pip averaged 15 on 41% in the 98' Finals, while rodman averaged 4/8... Yet mj still won

So quit making excuses...
In 2013, Wade avg. 16 for an entire postseason, yet LeBron still won.

Starters Bosh and Mike Miller went scoreless in game 7 of the Finals. Ray Allen also held scoreless.... yet LeBron still won.

[RRR3]

When did Wade average 15 on 34% like 96' pippen?.. Yet mj still won those Finals

When did bosh or love average 4/8 for the entire playoffs like 97' Rodman?.. Yet mj still won that year

And pip averaged 15 on 41% in the 98' Finals, while rodman averaged 4/8... Yet mj still won

So quit making excuses...
Wage averaged 15.9 ppg on 45.7% in the 2013 playoffs

[3ball]

Wade averaged 15.9 ppg on 45.7% in the 2013 playoffs


Wade half-assed it through the weak East and then turned it up for the Finals (20/4/5 on 48% with 2 steals in the Finals)

So again:

1) when did Wade average 15 on 34% like pippen in the 96' Finals?..
2) when did bosh or love average 4/8 for the entire playoffs like 97' Rodman?
3) when did wade average 15 on 41% AND bosh get 4/8 (like pip & rodman in 98' Finals)
4) when did Wade average 17.6 on 40.8% like pip for the entire 96-98' PO?

Furthermore, Lebron had a 3rd star in case Wade wasn't playing well - unfortunately, Lebron couldn't activate Bosh because he's been reduced to spot-up shooter.. so it's all on lebron

[ImKobe]

This is true. How did Lebron go 2/4, including a terrible choke in the 2011 Finals with a player much superior to Kobe? This doesn't add up.


Wage averaged 15.9 ppg on 45.7% in the 2013 playoffs

Hold up, Wade's supposedly so much better than Kobe. Did Lebron turn Wade into a role player or is Wade really not better than Kobe?

[Hey Yo]

Wade half-assed it through the weak East and then turned it up for the Finals (20/4/5 on 48% with 2 steals in the Finals)

So again:

1) when did Wade average 15 on 34% like pippen in the 96' Finals?..
2) when did bosh or love average 4/8 for the entire playoffs like 97' Rodman?
3) when did wade average 15 on 41% AND bosh get 4/8 (like pip & rodman in 98' Finals)
4) when did Wade average 17.6 on 40.8% like pip for the entire 96-98' PO?

Furthermore, Lebron had a 3rd star in case Wade wasn't playing well - unfortunately, Lebron couldn't activate Bosh because he's been reduced to spot-up shooter.. so it's all on lebron
Just the opposite for 96, 97 and 98 Pippen.

[stalkerforlife]

It's crazy people think Bran is better than Kobe when Bran ran to a man that arguably had a better peak than Kobe.

So Kobe won with a Bosh type player WITHOUT a player that arguably peaked higher than him.

Too easy.

[3ball]

Just the opposite for 96, 97 and 98 Pippen.
Pippen averaged 17.6 on 40.8% for the entire 96-98' playoffs

So Jordan 3-peated with 14' Wade..

13' Wade was better than those numbers... :confusedshrug:.... (20/5/5 on 48% in Finals)

[Hey Yo]

Pippen averaged 17.6 on 40.8% for the entire 96-98' playoffs
That's better than Wade's 2013 and 2014


So Jordan 3-peated with 14' Wade..
Wade didn't sniff All defensive teams like Pippen in 96-98


13' Wade was better than those numbers... :confusedshrug:.... (20/5/5 on 48% in Finals)
Postseason Pippen 96-98 >>>>>>>>> Postseason Wade 13 and 14 and it's not even close.

[RRR3]

This is true. How did Lebron go 2/4, including a terrible choke in the 2011 Finals with a player much superior to Kobe? This doesn't add up.



Hold up, Wade's supposedly so much better than Kobe. Did Lebron turn Wade into a role player or is Wade really not better than Kobe?
He wasn’t better than Kobe in 2013, no.

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=RRR3]He wasn

[RRR3]

Wade half-assed it through the weak East and then turned it up for the Finals (20/4/5 on 48% with 2 steals in the Finals)

So again:

1) when did Wade average 15 on 34% like pippen in the 96' Finals?..
2) when did bosh or love average 4/8 for the entire playoffs like 97' Rodman?
3) when did wade average 15 on 41% AND bosh get 4/8 (like pip & rodman in 98' Finals)
4) when did Wade average 17.6 on 40.8% like pip for the entire 96-98' PO?

Furthermore, Lebron had a 3rd star in case Wade wasn't playing well - unfortunately, Lebron couldn't activate Bosh because he's been reduced to spot-up shooter.. so it's all on lebron
•Wade averaged 18.8 PPG on 40.5% against the Bulls in the 2011 playoffs.
•Wade averaged 15.2 PPG on 43.8% against the Spurs in the 2014 finals. He was dealing with injuries to be fair, as was Pippen for some of the series you posted.

Everyone has bad series. Even legends.

[RRR3]

2013? Wade was only 31? How is a 31 y.o Wade not better than 17th season Kobe? Something doesn't add up here.
Because Kobe had better longevity. Duh.

[SpaceJam2]

Imagine Pippen as a teammate!?

Could he carry a 1-9 career loser?

[3ball]

That's better than Wade's 2013 and 2014


Wade didn't sniff All defensive teams like Pippen in 96-98


Postseason Pippen 96-98 >>>>>>>>> Postseason Wade 13 and 14 and it's not even close.
We can only look at Wade's Finals numbers because the East didn't require an all-out effort like MJ's East did - heck, Lebron won the 2014 ECF by averaging only 22 ppg!!!!

So when we look at the Finals stats, Wade was better than Pippen in 2013, and Wade's 14' Finals equals Pippen's 96' or 98'

But the real kicker is that Lebron has another Pau Gasol-level star at 3rd option!!!... :eek: ...

So even if Wade is off, Lebron can activate Bosh - the problem is that bosh can't be activated because he's been reduced to spot-up shooter in lebron-ball.. so it's all on lebron

[ImKobe]

Because Kobe had better longevity. Duh.

So wade at age 31 was already worse than a 34 y.o Kobe on his last legs? How does that happen?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So wade at age 31 was already worse than a 34 y.o Kobe on his last legs? How does that happen?

Because Wade's game is physically taxing. Dude was a slasher with no fear going to the cup.

Athleticism, speed and strong cuts.

He also played consistent defense. Unlike Kobe.

[3ball]

[QUOTE=RRR3]

[ImKobe]

Because Wade's game is physically taxing. Dude was a slasher with no fear going to the cup.

Athleticism, speed and strong cuts.

He also played consistent defense. Unlike Kobe.

So he relied more on his athleticism and was less skilled than Kobe? Kobe went through knee and shoulder injuries/surgeries before he even hit his prime and won B2B titles as the FMVP on one leg and with a broken index finger on his shooting hand at the same age.

[superduper]

It's crazy people think Bran is better than Kobe when Bran ran to a man that arguably had a better peak than Kobe.

So Kobe won with a Bosh type player WITHOUT a player that arguably peaked higher than him.

Too easy.

The only way this can be countered is with delusion.

[stalkerforlife]

The only way this can be countered is with delusion.

I love you.

[RRR3]

MJ won many times when his sidekick stunk it up, while Lebron didn't - that's the difference

Do I need to post the long list of Pippen's horrible series again???... MJ won nearly all of them, while lebron loses most of them and then complains with his fans... So he's nowhere near goat
LeBron won the 2011 ECF and the entire 2013 playoffs with Wade struggling :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

So he relied more on his athleticism and was less skilled than Kobe? Kobe went through knee and shoulder injuries/surgeries before he even hit his prime and won B2B titles as the FMVP on one leg and with a broken index finger on his shooting hand at the same age.
That Wade vs Kobe thread made you so insecure lmao

[ImKobe]

LeBron won the 2011 ECF and the entire 2013 playoffs with Wade struggling :confusedshrug:

Pretty sure Lebron lost the 2011 Finals with Wade playing some of his best basketball.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

So he relied more on his athleticism and was less skilled than Kobe? Kobe went through knee and shoulder injuries/surgeries before he even hit his prime and won B2B titles as the FMVP on one leg and with a broken index finger on his shooting hand at the same age.

Kobe is one of the most skilled players of all time.

Wade also played thru a number of injuries.

What is your point exactly?

[RRR3]

Pretty sure Lebron lost the 2011 Finals with Wade playing some of his best basketball.
Pretty sure Kobe lost the 2004 finals with Shaq playing some of his best basketball.

[SamuraiSWISH]

If only you combined

Wade’s slashing, fearlessness, quickness, finishing ability, shot blocking and off ball defensive abilities

with

Kobe’s jumper, foot work, post game, competitiveness, and on ball defense.

That player would be the god damn GOAT. Especially if they were even more athletic, smarter, better leader, better winner, physically more durable and even more competitive.

Wait, that’s Michael Jordan.

[ImKobe]

Pretty sure Kobe lost the 2004 finals with Shaq playing some of his best basketball.

2004 was actually Shaq's worst out of the 4 they played together while Wade's 2011 Finals was his 2nd best.

[RRR3]

2004 was actually Shaq's worst out of the 4 they played together while Wade's 2011 Finals was his 2nd best.
He shot 63.1%. He could have averaged way more if HogBe gave him the ball.

[Smoke117]

2013? Wade was only 31? How is a 31 y.o Wade not better than 17th season Kobe? Something doesn't add up here.

It's called being hurt? During their win streak he was absolutely dominating and regularly the best player on the team and clearly more impactful than Kobe was that season. He, course, would hurt his knee, though, and play that entire playoffs hurt.

[3ball]

LeBron won the 2011 ECF and the entire 2013 playoffs with Wade struggling :confusedshrug:
You mean the series where Lebron's 3rd option (Bosh) averaged more than Pippen ever did?

2011 ECF

Lebron - 26/8/7 on 44%.. +3.0 in 4th
C Bosh - 23/8/2 on 60%.. +4.2 in 4th


You can't forget his 3rd options when arguing for Bron - if Wade takes the series off, he still has another monster scorer to fall back on if he uses him appropriately

And again - Wade took the weak Eastern playoffs lighter, and turned it up in the Finals (20/4/5 on 48% - so better than Pippen's typical series)

What a luxury to have 2 monster scorers to fall back on, and both top-flight athletes and excellent defenders

[Doranku]

It's called being hurt? During their win streak he was absolutely dominating and regularly the best player on the team and clearly more impactful than Kobe was that season. He, course, would hurt his knee, though, and play that entire playoffs hurt.

:oldlol: Wade might have been the best player for like 5 games out of their 27 game win streak. Meanwhile Kobe dragged a bunch of injured, malcontent bums to the playoffs. Kobe was better that season and it's not even close.

[SamuraiSWISH]

It's called being hurt? During their win streak he was absolutely dominating and regularly the best player on the team and clearly more impactful than Kobe was that season. He, course, would hurt his knee, though, and play that entire playoffs hurt.
Lol what?

I love Dwyane Wade, and his 2013 is very underrated. And yes he was crazy efficient, quality defender, and very good in 2013 during their huge winning stretch.

But did you just call him the best and most impactful player on the floor for the Heat? LOL

This was possibly and arguably LeBron

[ImKobe]

It's called being hurt? During their win streak he was absolutely dominating and regularly the best player on the team and clearly more impactful than Kobe was that season. He, course, would hurt his knee, though, and play that entire playoffs hurt.

Regularly?

Let's compare Lebron and Wade during the 27-win streak

Wade - 23/6/6
Bron - 27/8/8

Wade also didn't play in two of the wins

Yeah, Wade had some nice games inbetween but best player on his team? :lol

Kobe post-ASB averaged 28/6/7 so it's not like Wade was putting up bigger numbers than him or carrying a team, he had the luxury of playing with great shooters, Bosh and Lebron at his peak. Kobe was out there playing 40-48 minutes every night in April to get an average team into the Playoffs.