Kblaze8855
10-03-2019, 06:13 AM
Do you think that sheer athleticism can make someone effective? A real human I mean not...a superhero. You hear all the time from people who no doubt consider themselves true fans and operating on a higher level of understanding than most(its always a douche like that) that _____ isnt a good player...hes a good athlete. Might be Giannis....or Westbrook....ive heard it of Rose. Shaq. Dwight Howard. Zion. Lots of guys. Generally its people who dont have good jumpers. Or maybe handles. Its one of the two. Fans who consider themselves purist acting like basketball is nothing but shooting and handles is pretty funny to me. Have guys like Giannis who are pulling down 13 rebounds a game and being elite defenders....but overall bad at basketball because of the way they also score 25-30ppg. As if there is any way to be an elite defender and rebounder who can even score 15....and be BAD at basketball. But the joke that is people thinking they know basketball but still thinking basketball is just Kyrie Irving isnt really my point here....
Back to superman for a moment.
Say he comes to earth tomorrow. He didnt grow up here. He never saw a basketball. But he wants to play. Lets say hes agreed not to outright fly...hes gonna try to play real basketball. He wouldnt be a good shooter obviously. He couldnt handle the ball at all. But of course he would still be good....
A team with superman on it simply couldnt be scored on if he wanted to prevent it. You cant pass the ball vs superman. Hed be in the passing lanes too quickly. Cant get a shot off. You cant beat him off the dribble. You cant set a screen fast enough for him to not go under or over and stop his man.....and the roll man too.
You just cant win vs supermans team once they take a lead.
On offense hes setting the best screens ever....and hes always gonna be open off the ball. You cant catch him. Now....if he cant shoot....a zone helps you there....and with no handles hes not so much taking guys off the dribble as...having an impossible first step. But hes still gotta dribble. Hed be a clumsy god who couldnt stop traveling. He would be unstoppable on the break....but only off ball. Doesnt matter if you can move at light speed if you cant dribble the ball at light speed. And he couldnt. Even if he had the coordination....hed destroy the ball. What you would do....let him run down the court...then throw a lob just somewhere near the basket. Off the ball you cant keep him from where he wants to go.
You would find a way to win even if he werent willing to outright cheat and fly around. His athletic ability would be too much to contain. He wouldnt be much faster than anyone else with the ball provided you didnt let him travel...but without the ball in his hands hes just forever appearing where he wants to be and setting impossible screens and cherrypicking for transition dunks. Add the defense....his team couldnt lose.
Would that make superman good at basketball for you "purists"?
Long story short....does anything but being effective matter?
If youre effective without whatever skills you choose to value...are you good?
Is there a difference between good and effective?
If so....why?
If someone can be dominant, win more games than most you do consider good, and be productive.....
How do you reach a conclusion they arent good...because of how they do it?
When basketball is an athletic activity how do we pretend being athletic isnt a factor in how good you are?
And its not like any of these people actually ARENT skilled....
The skill difference is why all those super athletes in the NFL arent in the NBA making 4 times the money to not crack their heads open. Vernon Davis in his prime had like a 42 inch vertical, benched about 500, and ran a 4.38 40 at 250 pounds. If you could just athletic ability your way to NBA stardom(short of superhero athletic ability) he and dozens of other freaks would do it. Go look up Montez Sweats combine numbers. That guy jumps 38 inches with a 4.4 40 at 6'6'' 265.....with a 7 foot wingspan and hands the size of a center.
I promise you....hes not making NFL money because he doesnt want 250 million in the NBA. Hes just not that good at basketball.
The things people like him cant do....are show the skills guys like Giannis, Zion, and whoever else you wanna use have. It isnt just genetic. Theres a reason Giannis has 3 brothers who arent as good with the same DNA.
We just seem to have trouble putting a label on people who play the game in a way we cant wrap our heads around because we cant do it. You cant be Zion through work ethic. But the few people who can be....usually arent....because they didnt develop the skills.
The basketball skill is the difference between Blake Griffin and a good tight end in the NFL. It seems so obvious it doesnt need saying but....the more I read ISH the more it seems it does need saying.
I think some of you actually believe that you can be an athlete.....who cant play basketball....but go score 20-30 a game in the NBA....while not being superman.
Id like to hear one of you say so. I want one of you people who say these things to go on record....and tell me....someone can be an NB superstar without knowing how to play basketball. I want to know if im taking you too literal...which ive assumed before....but been told no. That some of you literally believe....you can be the MVP of the NBA and be bad at the sport.
Largely said because of not performing well in some situations....while hundreds of people who are supposedly good....are also not performing. But it doesnt seem these things are really thought through that much.
Just clear it up for me so im not taking your position wrong.
"____ isnt good at basketball...hes athletic" crowd.
Tell me.
Whats separates these NBA stars who cant play from equally physically gifted athletes in other sports who would...in a basketball game...suck?
Back to superman for a moment.
Say he comes to earth tomorrow. He didnt grow up here. He never saw a basketball. But he wants to play. Lets say hes agreed not to outright fly...hes gonna try to play real basketball. He wouldnt be a good shooter obviously. He couldnt handle the ball at all. But of course he would still be good....
A team with superman on it simply couldnt be scored on if he wanted to prevent it. You cant pass the ball vs superman. Hed be in the passing lanes too quickly. Cant get a shot off. You cant beat him off the dribble. You cant set a screen fast enough for him to not go under or over and stop his man.....and the roll man too.
You just cant win vs supermans team once they take a lead.
On offense hes setting the best screens ever....and hes always gonna be open off the ball. You cant catch him. Now....if he cant shoot....a zone helps you there....and with no handles hes not so much taking guys off the dribble as...having an impossible first step. But hes still gotta dribble. Hed be a clumsy god who couldnt stop traveling. He would be unstoppable on the break....but only off ball. Doesnt matter if you can move at light speed if you cant dribble the ball at light speed. And he couldnt. Even if he had the coordination....hed destroy the ball. What you would do....let him run down the court...then throw a lob just somewhere near the basket. Off the ball you cant keep him from where he wants to go.
You would find a way to win even if he werent willing to outright cheat and fly around. His athletic ability would be too much to contain. He wouldnt be much faster than anyone else with the ball provided you didnt let him travel...but without the ball in his hands hes just forever appearing where he wants to be and setting impossible screens and cherrypicking for transition dunks. Add the defense....his team couldnt lose.
Would that make superman good at basketball for you "purists"?
Long story short....does anything but being effective matter?
If youre effective without whatever skills you choose to value...are you good?
Is there a difference between good and effective?
If so....why?
If someone can be dominant, win more games than most you do consider good, and be productive.....
How do you reach a conclusion they arent good...because of how they do it?
When basketball is an athletic activity how do we pretend being athletic isnt a factor in how good you are?
And its not like any of these people actually ARENT skilled....
The skill difference is why all those super athletes in the NFL arent in the NBA making 4 times the money to not crack their heads open. Vernon Davis in his prime had like a 42 inch vertical, benched about 500, and ran a 4.38 40 at 250 pounds. If you could just athletic ability your way to NBA stardom(short of superhero athletic ability) he and dozens of other freaks would do it. Go look up Montez Sweats combine numbers. That guy jumps 38 inches with a 4.4 40 at 6'6'' 265.....with a 7 foot wingspan and hands the size of a center.
I promise you....hes not making NFL money because he doesnt want 250 million in the NBA. Hes just not that good at basketball.
The things people like him cant do....are show the skills guys like Giannis, Zion, and whoever else you wanna use have. It isnt just genetic. Theres a reason Giannis has 3 brothers who arent as good with the same DNA.
We just seem to have trouble putting a label on people who play the game in a way we cant wrap our heads around because we cant do it. You cant be Zion through work ethic. But the few people who can be....usually arent....because they didnt develop the skills.
The basketball skill is the difference between Blake Griffin and a good tight end in the NFL. It seems so obvious it doesnt need saying but....the more I read ISH the more it seems it does need saying.
I think some of you actually believe that you can be an athlete.....who cant play basketball....but go score 20-30 a game in the NBA....while not being superman.
Id like to hear one of you say so. I want one of you people who say these things to go on record....and tell me....someone can be an NB superstar without knowing how to play basketball. I want to know if im taking you too literal...which ive assumed before....but been told no. That some of you literally believe....you can be the MVP of the NBA and be bad at the sport.
Largely said because of not performing well in some situations....while hundreds of people who are supposedly good....are also not performing. But it doesnt seem these things are really thought through that much.
Just clear it up for me so im not taking your position wrong.
"____ isnt good at basketball...hes athletic" crowd.
Tell me.
Whats separates these NBA stars who cant play from equally physically gifted athletes in other sports who would...in a basketball game...suck?