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nineiron

10-07-2019, 10:20 AM

:roll: :roll: :roll:

best player in the world? he's not even the best player on his team!

this season will show that he's not even top 5 anymore.

3ball

10-07-2019, 10:48 AM

My initial reaction to rookie AD was that he was a non-impactful player because he play-finishes too much - he needs a ball-handler to set him up.. so the ball-handlers were the impactful players on his team, not AD, and the opponent simply needed to have better ball-handlers to beat him

Well now Lebron is AD's ball-handler, so now no one will have a better ball-handler? Meaning AD's team can finally win?... Except Westbrook and Harden are both more productive than old Lebron, so I predict that Houston will beat the Lakers this year.

Dr Hawk

10-07-2019, 11:02 AM

3ball

10-07-2019, 11:36 AM

Westbrook is a stat-padder, not really that productive.
Agreed

I don't really think Houston will beat LA

I think they could if they had a better frontcourt

LA will destroy everyone this year.. AD/Lebron are a perfect match

But OP is right - AD will get a lot of credit and might be "the man" on this team.. Lebron will be coattailling for ring #4

Manny98

10-07-2019, 11:47 AM

AD is the most talented power forward the league has ever seen and LeBron is about to turn 35 so it's not that surprising

Still 2009-2018 as the best in the world is very impressive :bowdown:

3ball

10-07-2019, 12:00 PM

AD is the most talented power forward the league has ever seen and LeBron is about to turn 35 so it's not that surprising

Still 2009-2018 as the best in the world is very impressive :bowdown:
Lebron was more dominant than Kobe in the 09/10 regular seasons because Lebron didn't have to share with a star teammate like Pau

But the 2011 playoffs showed that Lebron didn't know how to play off teammates like Wade - Lebron had to learn this before winning and was very beatable before Wade/Riley taught him that

For that reason, Lebron wasn't the best until 2012, and that lasted through 2018

ArbitraryWater

10-07-2019, 12:05 PM

Lebron was more dominant than Kobe in the 09/10 regular seasons because Lebron didn't have to share with a star teammate like Pau

But the 2011 playoffs showed that Lebron didn't know how to play off teammates like Wade - Lebron had to learn this before winning and was very beatable before Wade/Riley taught him that

For that reason, Lebron wasn't the best until 2012, and that lasted through 2018

but lebron outperformed kobe in the 09 and 10 playoffs

or doesnt it matter, because he would have played like 2011 both years with more help?

doesnt seem too legit tbh

nineiron

10-07-2019, 12:05 PM

Lakers won't win.

Lebald needs a winner to win, since he's a born loser.

AD is NOT a winner.

Hey Yo

10-07-2019, 12:27 PM

Lebron was more dominant than Kobe in the 09/10 regular seasons because Lebron didn't have to share with a star teammate like Pau

But the 2011 playoffs showed that Lebron didn't know how to play off teammates like Wade - Lebron had to learn this before winning and was very beatable before Wade/Riley taught him that

For that reason, Lebron wasn't the best until 2012, and that lasted through 2018
If LeBron didn't know that in 2011, then why didn't Riley just have Spo run what was working before the Finals?

Are you saying that LeBron played more off ball after Wade handed the team over to him almost half way through the 2012 season?

One day "LeBron never plays off ball" ... the next .... "LeBron was taught to play off ball"

You're stupid as ****, dude.

TheMan

10-07-2019, 12:30 PM

AD is the most talented power forward the league has ever seen and LeBron is about to turn 35 so it's not that surprising

Still 2009-2018 as the best in the world is very impressive :bowdown:
No doubt you really believe that since you obviously never watched prime Duncan, Dirk, KG, Barkley, McHale, Malone, Bird etc...

So no excuses then? If the Lakers fail to win this year, huge black mark on LeBron and AD? Is this what you're saying?

3ball

10-07-2019, 12:41 PM

but lebron outperformed kobe in the 09 and 10 playoffs

or doesnt it matter, because he would have played like 2011 both years with more help?

doesnt seem too legit tbh
Everyone needs a cast to win - lebron didn't know how to play with a cast that could win and needed to learn

Kobe already knew, and was therefore better

Also, the 2009 playoffs was going to be another 2001-2003 or 2007 where a weak cast made the Finals.. So Lebron missed an easy Finals run as the heavily-favored 1 seed and ceded that run to Dwight... that's a knock that he didn't elevate the team... SVG said they didn't bother double lebron and locked up his teammates, whereas Curry and Kobe are always being doubled and adjusted to, so their teammates get off..

They get adjusted to more because they don't play a basic style as 1 ball-dominator with 4 shooters around them - only lebron played that basic way, so you just play him straight up and lock up teammates... Otoh, teams must defend different stuff vs Kobe and Curry, such as off-ball movement, i.e. shade on pindowns, etc.. more complicated shit then Lebron's basic 1-4 sets and skillsets

Manny98

10-07-2019, 12:48 PM

No doubt you really believe that since you obviously never watched prime Duncan, Dirk, KG, Barkley, McHale, Malone, Bird etc...

So no excuses then? If the Lakers fail to win this year, huge black mark on LeBron and AD? Is this what you're saying?
Dirk is nowhere the defender that AD is, neither are Barkley and Malone

KG is not the scorer that AD is

We have never had a power forward that can dominate both ends of the floor the way AD can. He's a transcendent talent

He can shoot, post up, block shots, athletic af, he's even developing into a point power forward he's a great passer for his position

ImKobe

10-07-2019, 12:58 PM

but lebron outperformed kobe in the 09 and 10 playoffs

or doesnt it matter, because he would have played like 2011 both years with more help?

doesnt seem too legit tbh

"outperformed"

He LOST to the same teams Kobe beat, how is that outperforming Kobe? He melted down in 3 straight losses to Boston, you think that's outperforming Kobe? Really?

You see, most players don't go out there trying to put up a certain amount of points/rebounds/assists, some players are willing to score less or play off-ball to give their team a better chance to win, that's what great playes like Kobe and Jordan did. Their style of play made their teams harder to guard, thus resulting in more championships.

Lebron can play his streetball and stuff the stat-sheet like Harden or Westbrook, but these players are all losers. 80's Jordan wasn't winning titles when he was putting up his best averages, Wilt didn't win anything when he had that 50 ppg season. You can almost do this with any player that had their peak RS. Sure, that style of play is great for basketball-reference but it doesn't mean one is better than the other. It's fun to compare numbers and it's fine if you apply context, but just googling the stat-line and not adding anything to it makes it useless. Winning ugly is better than putting up historic numbers in a loss. It's easy to put up numbers and lose in a sweep, it's hard to win consistently and that's what Kobe did.

3ball

10-07-2019, 01:01 PM

Dirk is nowhere the defender that AD is, neither are Barkley and Malone

KG is not the scorer that AD is

We have never had a power forward that can dominate both ends of the floor the way AD can. He's a transcendent talent

He can shoot, post up, block shots, athletic af, he's even developing into a point power forward he's a great passer for his position
You avoided theMan's question

Since AD is easily the best 2nd option in the league (and maybe top option), it's an abject failure if Lebron fails to win despite the best help in the league

Correct?

sdot_thadon

10-07-2019, 01:01 PM

Everyone needs a cast to win - lebron didn't know how to play with a cast that could win and needed to learn

Kobe already knew, and was therefore better

Also, the 2009 playoffs was going to be another 2001-2003 or 2007 where a weak cast made the Finals.. So Lebron missed an easy Finals run as the heavily-favored 1 seed and ceded that run to Dwight... that's a knock that he didn't elevate the team... SVG said they didn't bother double lebron and locked up his teammates, whereas Curry and Kobe are always being doubled and adjusted to, so their teammates get off..

They get adjusted to more because they don't play a basic style as 1 ball-dominator with 4 shooters around them - only lebron played that basic way, so you just play him straight up and lock up teammates... Otoh, teams must defend different stuff vs Kobe and Curry, such as off-ball movement, i.e. shade on pindowns, etc.. more complicated shit then Lebron's basic 1-4 sets and skillsets
There are times when you post something that could be barely considered coherent before you inevitably drive it off a cliff, other times you post some of the most convoluted idiotic shit known to fan. This is the 2nd instance.

Turbo Slayer

10-07-2019, 01:04 PM

SouBeachTalents

10-07-2019, 01:11 PM

"outperformed"

He LOST to the same teams Kobe beat, how is that outperforming Kobe? He melted down in 3 straight losses to Boston, you think that's outperforming Kobe? Really?

You see, most players don't go out there trying to put up a certain amount of points/rebounds/assists, some players are willing to score less or play off-ball to give their team a better chance to win, that's what great playes like Kobe and Jordan did. Their style of play made their teams harder to guard, thus resulting in more championships.

Lebron can play his streetball and stuff the stat-sheet like Harden or Westbrook, but these players are all losers. 80's Jordan wasn't winning titles when he was putting up his best averages, Wilt didn't win anything when he had that 50 ppg season. You can almost do this with any player that had their peak RS. Sure, that style of play is great for basketball-reference but it doesn't mean one is better than the other. It's fun to compare numbers and it's fine if you apply context, but just googling the stat-line and not adding anything to it makes it useless. Winning ugly is better than putting up historic numbers in a loss.
But what most fans don’t realize is, the bolded doesn’t mean you individually played better. Not even regarding specifically LeBron/Kobe, it is absolutely possible for someone to individually play better in a loss than someone else does in a win.

Tom Brady is a perfect example of that, he played 1000x better in a loss to the Eagles than he did in a win against the Rams. It seems like fans aren’t capable of separating how someone played individually from their teams result

3ball

10-07-2019, 01:12 PM

There are times when you post something that could be barely considered coherent before you inevitably drive it off a cliff, other times you post some of the most convoluted idiotic shit known to fan. This is the 2nd instance.
I just re-read my post

Not convoluted and actually quite articulate, although not as good as some other posters on here

Bottom line - lebron's brand of being the ball-dominator with 4 shooters around him is a very basic and exploitable way to play.. it's a style that routinely gets obliterated and shown to be a letdown style in the playoffs (ask cp3, nash, harden, etc).. lebron simply avoided the same losing fate as his fellow ball-dominators by team-hopping.. that's the historical record

Otoh, the more complicated shit that MJ, Kobe, and Curry's skillsets allow force more adjustments and is more effective at winning than Lebron's 1-4 stat-pad format

ImKobe

10-07-2019, 01:50 PM

But what most fans don’t realize is, the bolded doesn’t mean you individually played better. Not even regarding specifically LeBron/Kobe, it is absolutely possible for someone to individually play better in a loss than someone else does in a win.

Tom Brady is a perfect example of that, he played 1000x better in a loss to the Eagles than he did in a win against the Rams. It seems like fans aren’t capable of separating how someone played individually from their teams result

But what do you base that on? Bigger numbers doesn't always mean a player was better. If you want to go the NFL route, a QB can throw for 200 yards with 0 touchdowns and outperform a QB who throws for 500 with multiple turnovers. Why? Because the guy who throws for 200 doesn't make the errors and isn't forced to constantly throw the ball because he's playing with the lead and his team doesn't need him to do that.

I don't like comparing basketball to football though because there are 53 guys on an NFL roster and QBs don't play defense. In the NBA you usually have the same 8-man rotation playing almost all the minutes on both ends in the Playoffs.

You know when Kobe had his highest-scoring seasons? When he played on garbage teams and constantly needed to shoot the ball 30 times and score 40-50 points to win a Regular Season game against a mediocre team. Kobe has sacrificed his stats for defense or to defer to others all his career when he needed to win. His championship squads were usually great at holding leads or controlling the pace of the game and he was more than willing to let others make plays if it meant his team won.

With Lebron you see him trying to control every play and it's just not as effective. Not just because it's predictable but also because his scoring game is limited, you're not going to lose many games against Lebron where he kills you from mid-range or the 3-point line. What we've seen happen over the years is that he puts too much energy into attacking the paint that he lacks the energy to get back on defense or to close out on shooters. You look at Lebron's title runs and in 2 out of 3 runs he only averages 26 points a game. He had more success with lesser numbers.

All his best Playoff/RS years have resulted in losses. You take his 8 top scoring Regular Seasons and he won 0 titles with only 2 Finals appearances. You take his top scoring Playoff runs and his title run comes in 5th.

I don't think stats in lopsided losses mean anything when comparing players. I'm sure the opposing team is fine with Lebron getting 35/10/10 as long as they win.

This quote by SVG sums it up perfectly IMO

In the conference finals, of course, they faced LeBron, who averaged 38.5 points a game, eight rebounds, and eight assists. This was all part of the plan. At the time, the Magic had, counting an exhibition trip to China, played James nine times over two seasons and had success by not overreacting to him. “If you look into the rest of my coaching career, I clearly didn’t have any formula to beat LeBron,” Van Gundy said. “Our theory defensively, we wanted him to be more of a scorer and less of a guy to help those guys play well. Those other guys needed LeBron to play well. He put up absolutely huge numbers, but we had more overall talent.”

“Hedo didn’t have the physical strength or talent of Giannis, but this was a 6-foot-10 guy who handled and passed like a point guard and shot the 3. Even to this day, he’s on a short list of guys who could do that. There just haven’t been many guys like him in league history.” —Stan Van Gundy
“We didn’t ever change our principles, whether it was Hedo or Pietrus guarding him. We were coming to help, we weren’t leaving people on an island, but we weren’t going to double-team LeBron, we weren’t blitzing his pick-and-rolls, we were not double-teaming him in the post or in his back-ins. That’s tough on the guys guarding him, and I’m sure they wanted a few more double-teams, but that’s the way we’d played him for two years and had success.”

Wally450

10-07-2019, 02:22 PM

Agreed

I don't really think Houston will beat LA

I think they could if they had a better frontcourt

LA will destroy everyone this year.. AD/Lebron are a perfect match

But OP is right - AD will get a lot of credit and might be "the man" on this team.. Lebron will be coattailling for ring #4

Except when LeBron averages 27/9/9 during the playoff run. He'll be the leader of that team.

3ball

10-07-2019, 02:37 PM

Except when LeBron averages 27/9/9 during the playoff run. He'll be the leader of that team.
^^

RRR3

10-07-2019, 02:38 PM

3ball is so scared of LeBron winning another ring. Jesus Christ.

3ball

10-07-2019, 03:03 PM

3ball is so scared of LeBron winning another ring. Jesus Christ.
Because it's bullshit

This guy teams up with the best players in the league every 4 years and the media is trying to act like he's accomplishing what MJ did.

It's ridiculous and purely WWE-style entertainment at this point... The league literally conspires to get this guy rings

And why do they need to conspire?... It's because historically, his playing style routinely loses and is a letdown style in the playoffs (ask cp3, nash, harden, westbrook, etc).. lebron simply avoided the same losing fate as his fellow ball-dominators by team-hopping/league collusion.. that's the historical record..

He turned a naturally-competitive environment into a league of collusion.. Tbh, Giannis should demand a trade and stack his team like Lebron did... It's a bitch move, but when in Rome...

Rico2016

10-07-2019, 03:12 PM

I bet you waited 15 years to say that, and you still might not be right.

LAmbruh

10-07-2019, 03:58 PM

so basically what Kobe was on the Lakers 1/2 of his career? :yaohappy:

superduper

10-07-2019, 04:39 PM

so basically what Kobe was on the Lakers 1/2 of his career? :yaohappy:

The only perimeter player who wouldn't be the 2nd option to Shaq in history is MJ

#GOATgonGOAT

StrongLurk

10-07-2019, 04:50 PM

I'd take Curry, KD (healthy), Kawhi, Harden, and AD over 98 MJ.

G0ATbe

10-07-2019, 04:55 PM

Depression

10-07-2019, 05:53 PM

Only took 17 seasons for this to even be a discussion :lol

And remember, Lebron makes his teammates worse so shouldnt we be expecting AD to be a 15/10 player as apposed to the best in the league?:confusedshrug:

What is the definition of LeChoke James?

Definition- Losing to the 2011 Mavs. :cry: No Lebron stans would want to see this facade of a superstar. :cry:

Depression

10-07-2019, 05:55 PM

nineiron

10-07-2019, 08:50 PM

Only took 17 seasons for this to even be a discussion :lol

And remember, Lebron makes his teammates worse so shouldnt we be expecting AD to be a 15/10 player as apposed to the best in the league?:confusedshrug:

nope. he wasn't the best player on his team when he first joined Miami. Wade took a back seat and that's why they couldn't win the first year.

and he hasn't been the best player in the league for quite some time.

yes, he will make AD worse. but it doesn't matter since AD is a career loser anyway.

so 1 career loser (lebron) + 1 career loser (AD) = NO RING.

3ball

10-07-2019, 08:50 PM

I'd take Curry, KD (healthy), Kawhi, Harden, and AD over 98 MJ.
^^^ None of those guys could win all the awards* over the following all-stars like MJ did in 1998:

Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Grant Hill, Penny, Garnett, Malone, and more

* MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring title, 1st team defense, title - only MJ won all these awards in the same year (twice in 96' and 98')

SouBeachTalents

10-07-2019, 08:53 PM

^^^ None of those guys could win all the awards* over the following all-stars like MJ did in 1998:

Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Grant Hill, Penny, Garnett, Malone, and more

* MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring title, 1st team defense, title - only MJ won all these awards in the same year (twice in 96' and 98')
Hakeem won MVP, DPOY & FMVP all in the same year
Led his team in all 5 categories in the playoffs
Won with arguably the worst championship supporting cast ever

All things Jordan never did

StrongLurk

10-07-2019, 09:02 PM

^^^ None of those guys could win all the awards* over the following all-stars like MJ did in 1998:

Shaq, Duncan, Robinson, Kobe, Grant Hill, Penny, Garnett, Malone, and more

* MVP, FMVP, all-star MVP, scoring title, 1st team defense, title - only MJ won all these awards in the same year (twice in 96' and 98')

:roll:

Only Shaq in 1998 was as good as the players I mentioned for the 2019-20 season.

3ball

10-07-2019, 09:06 PM

Hakeem won MVP, DPOY & FMVP all in the same year
Led his team in all 5 categories in the playoffs
Won with arguably the worst championship supporting cast ever

All things Jordan never did
What if the 2001 Lakers didn't exist, or were all killed in a plane crash?

The 2001 title would obviously be up for grabs

Maybe AI gets that ring; maybe Kidd gets one in 02'.. that's the environment that Hakeem won his rings after MJ's retirement dismantled the prevailing dynasty

so hakeem's rings have the biggest asterisks ever and it's no surprise that he won with a weak cast against a diluted Finals opponent.. he couldn't win with that shit against MJ in 1994 - easy work for mj...

otoh, 1995 would've been interesting because now the rockets have the best #2 and most of the next best players after that.. so maybe Hakeem stops MJ from 5-peating.. whoopdiwhoop

ILLsmak

10-08-2019, 07:31 AM

:roll: :roll: :roll:

best player in the world? he's not even the best player on his team!

this season will show that he's not even top 5 anymore.

I don't like LeBron but if he's not the best player on his team this year, that bodes really well for LA haha.

He's still BRON. there's no way he can't get ya 20-8(+)-8 like absolutely worst possible scenario, and that's assuming AD is getting 30. If AD is the main threat, that's gonna be ugly, you forgot Bron is a pass first player. He knows how to get people looks. He's never played with anyone as good as AD. Sure Wade was prol better, but setting up a big is different. Think of what Bron gave Tristan Thompson, AD is gonna eat. It's gonna be stupid if he tries to shoot 3s all the time, but I doubt they are gonna do all that.

And for the haters, it doesn't matter if Bron isn't FMVP somehow, cuz he'll still get mad credit for the ring. So basically if you wanna hate Bron you gotta hope THEY DON'T WIN or HE GETS INJURED. If AD outperforms year 16 Bron statistically it's like oh well.

-Smak

nineiron

10-08-2019, 10:02 AM

I don't like LeBron but if he's not the best player on his team this year, that bodes really well for LA haha.

He's still BRON. there's no way he can't get ya 20-8(+)-8 like absolutely worst possible scenario, and that's assuming AD is getting 30. If AD is the main threat, that's gonna be ugly, you forgot Bron is a pass first player. He knows how to get people looks. He's never played with anyone as good as AD. Sure Wade was prol better, but setting up a big is different. Think of what Bron gave Tristan Thompson, AD is gonna eat. It's gonna be stupid if he tries to shoot 3s all the time, but I doubt they are gonna do all that.

And for the haters, it doesn't matter if Bron isn't FMVP somehow, cuz he'll still get mad credit for the ring. So basically if you wanna hate Bron you gotta hope THEY DON'T WIN or HE GETS INJURED. If AD outperforms year 16 Bron statistically it's like oh well.

-Smak

he played with Shaq. how'd that turn out?

TheMan

10-08-2019, 10:19 AM

No doubt you really believe that since you obviously never watched prime Duncan, Dirk, KG, Barkley, McHale, Malone, Bird etc...

So no excuses then? If the Lakers fail to win this year, huge black mark on LeBron and AD? Is this what you're saying?
Answer my question...if the Lakers fail to win a ring this year now that LeBron has by your estimation the GOAT sidekick, it's a huge black mark for both LBJ and AD, since Davis will play alongside a top 3-5 NBA player?

nineiron

10-08-2019, 11:02 AM

pegasus

10-08-2019, 12:52 PM

ILLsmak

10-08-2019, 04:05 PM

You mean Lebron missed shots so TT could grab offensive rebounds? Because that's what he did best.

Funny shit. I actually was thinking of jj Hickson, now that you say that. But Yea you're right tt didn't eat much haha. I'd say it's a mistake we'd all make but lord knows. I dono. I apologize to ish and gyna.

-Smak

34-24 Footwork

10-09-2019, 03:38 AM

Because it's bullshit

This guy teams up with the best players in the league every 4 years and the media is trying to act like he's accomplishing what MJ did.

It's ridiculous and purely WWE-style entertainment at this point... The league literally conspires to get this guy rings

And why do they need to conspire?... It's because historically, his playing style routinely loses and is a letdown style in the playoffs (ask cp3, nash, harden, westbrook, etc).. lebron simply avoided the same losing fate as his fellow ball-dominators by team-hopping/league collusion.. that's the historical record..

He turned a naturally-competitive environment into a league of collusion.. Tbh, Giannis should demand a trade and stack his team like Lebron did... It's a bitch move, but when in Rome...

Lol. Relax. He won't win a ring again..let alone make it to the finals.

He's in the West, now.

34-24 Footwork

10-09-2019, 03:41 AM

Answer my question...if the Lakers fail to win a ring this year now that LeBron has by your estimation the GOAT sidekick, it's a huge black mark for both LBJ and AD, since Davis will play alongside a top 3-5 NBA player?

This is the dilemma that Lebron fans find themselves in year after year.
The Lebron Dilemma. This happens when they want to prop up their favorite player so everyone can believe in his greatness, but still leave enough wiggle room for his inevitable shortcomings.

Bron stans were talking like this before last season and ole boy didn't even make the playoffs out West :lol

TheMan

10-09-2019, 12:12 PM

This is the dilemma that Lebron fans find themselves in year after year.
The Lebron Dilemma. This happens when they want to prop up their favorite player so everyone can believe in his greatness, but still leave enough wiggle room for his inevitable shortcomings.

Bron stans were talking like this before last season and ole boy didn't even make the playoffs out West :lol
Yeah, if they don't win it all, it will be that AD sucks, his coach is ass, not enough help...needs moar halp!

superduper

10-09-2019, 12:14 PM

Bran isn't even the best King James in the league :(

Manny98

10-09-2019, 03:24 PM

Because it's bullshit

This guy teams up with the best players in the league every 4 years and the media is trying to act like he's accomplishing what MJ did.

It's ridiculous and purely WWE-style entertainment at this point... The league literally conspires to get this guy rings

And why do they need to conspire?... It's because historically, his playing style routinely loses and is a letdown style in the playoffs (ask cp3, nash, harden, westbrook, etc).. lebron simply avoided the same losing fate as his fellow ball-dominators by team-hopping/league collusion.. that's the historical record..

He turned a naturally-competitive environment into a league of collusion.. Tbh, Giannis should demand a trade and stack his team like Lebron did... It's a bitch move, but when in Rome...
Meltdown

If LeBron wins this year he passes your idol accept it

egokiller

10-09-2019, 04:14 PM

Any more rings for le***** are just sidekick rings. He was done the moment Jason Terry decided to shit on his legacy.

3ball

10-09-2019, 04:28 PM

Meltdown

If LeBron wins this year he passes your idol accept it
You think the cp3/nash/lebron/harden/westbrook skillset > MJ's????..

:roll:

He simply avoided the same losing fate as his fellow ball-dominators by team-hopping/league collusion.. and yet he still mostly loses with that losing style

that's the historical record..

Rico2016

10-09-2019, 05:31 PM

Meltdown

If LeBron wins this year he passes your idol accept it

+1

nineiron

10-09-2019, 05:38 PM

Meltdown

If LeBron wins this year he passes your idol accept it

If he wins this year, he

305Baller

10-09-2019, 05:40 PM

daa morey lebron accepts the pippen role, the better

now they need that killer sniper to close da gamez

they need derrick rose

cuz kuzma is ded

nineiron

10-10-2019, 11:15 AM

daa morey lebron accepts the pippen role, the better

now they need that killer sniper to close da gamez

they need derrick rose

cuz kuzma is ded

agreed. lebron can only be a pippen. he'll never be an mj.

too bad they don't have a closer. :roll: