Was Abdul-Rauf blacklisted from NBA?

[egokiller]

....for being a Muslim extremest and not standing for the flag?

[imdaman99]

I dunno about Muslim extremist. He isn't that. I went to an event where he spoke, what a great speaker.

But not standing did him in.

[Patrick Chewing]

Stand for the National Anthem. Ain

[sammichoffate]

He was blacklisted for expressing his 1st amendment rights.

[qrich]

He was blacklisted for expressing his 1st amendment rights.

1A protects you from governmental persecution, not private business.

[highwhey]

1A protects you from governmental persecution, not private business.
correctomundo

i declined to stand for the pledge of allegiance in grade school. got sent to the vice principal's office but they were not allowed to punish me for it. :pimp:

[Patrick Chewing]

correctomundo

i declined to stand for the pledge of allegiance in grade school. got sent to the vice principal's office but they were not allowed to punish me for it. :pimp:


That explains a lot about the person you

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]That explains a lot about the person you

[Patrick Chewing]

correct.

since a young age i've demonstrated to have a backbone.

meanwhile, you stay in line like a sheep.


A backbone against the country and the very reason your family emigrated here? The very reason millions emigrate here?


When you were a little scrub in school, what were you trying to prove by not standing for the pledge of allegiance?

[TheMan]

correct.

since a young age i've demonstrated to have a backbone.

meanwhile, you stay in line like a sheep.
Not a good look highwhey...you're parents left their homeland to provide you opportunities they didn't have in Mexico and you come off as an ungrateful punk.

I moved to Mexico because me and my family are doing well here, I also have the option of moving back to the States if we ever have the need too, I respect the US with all it's faults, no country is perfect. To not show respect for your family's new home is pretty low IMO.

[highwhey]

A backbone against the country and the very reason your family emigrated here? The very reason millions emigrate here?


When you were a little scrub in school, what were you trying to prove by not standing for the pledge of allegiance?
you mean emigrated to the original land of their ancestors?

:roll:

[highwhey]

Not a good look highwhey...you're parents left their homeland to provide you opportunities they didn't have in Mexico and you come off as an ungrateful punk.

I moved to Mexico because me and my family are doing well here, I also have the option of moving back to the States if we ever have the need too, I respect the US with all it's faults, no country is perfect. To not show respect for your family's new home is pretty low IMO.
ungrateful to whom?

i grew up in a hcore religious family. bible said not to pay any allegiance to any man or manmade goverment, only god.

so i didn't. :confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

ungrateful to whom?

i grew up in a hcore religious family. bible said not to pay any allegiance to any man or manmade goverment, only god.

so i didn't. :confusedshrug:
Ah ok, I see where you're coming from. Catholics aren't that hardcore in regards to nation/states allegiance. Catholics believe we must respect our earthly leaders but we also must keep in mind that we are all brothers and God is above everything. If I have to choose between God or country, I'm siding with the Lord.

[sammichoffate]

1A protects you from governmental persecution, not private business.You shouldn't lose your job because of an opinion. He didn't insight anything hateful or violent, sick of this fake wokeness bs.

[highwhey]

Ah ok, I see where you're coming from. Catholics aren't that hardcore in regards to nation/states allegiance. Catholics believe we must respect our earthly leaders but we also must keep in mind that we are all brothers and God is above everything. If I have to choose between God or country, I'm siding with the Lord.
our church even had literature so i can give to my teacher explaining our believes lol.

yeah, we were taught to respect the goverment/authorities. so obviously "pay Ceaser what is his" - rough translation since i read the Bible in Spanish.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Yeah not standing up for the flag is not about disrespecting the USA, it's about putting God above everything in both the Muslim/Catholic perspective.

[Facepalm]

1A protects you from governmental persecution, not private business.
I'm amazed people still don't understand this

[Patrick Chewing]

you mean emigrated to the original land of their ancestors?

:roll:


Your ancestors are also from Spain. As are mine. You

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Chewing:

Your ancestors are also from Spain. As are mine. You’re the product of two cultures meeting through manifest destiny and mans desire to explore, and you landed in the greatest country on Earth as a result. And yet you’re an ungrateful sack of shit.


What you give credit to is nothing but middlemen or secondary agents. You have to go back to the true source of all those things.

It would be the equivalent of me looking at a painting, and praising the painting and not the painter.


That brings up a good question, Pat, lets think about this one.

Should we be more grateful to "America" or more grateful to Allah/God?

Who gave America her water?
Who gave America her land?
Who gave America her abundant natural resources?
Who gave America the virtues within its people?
Who gave America's citizens the breath they breathe every instant?
Who gave America the brains and intelligence?
Who protected America through thick and thin?
Who sustained America?
Who created America?

The Lord/Rabb God/Allah did.

Thus, who is truly deserving of thanks?

And how does one show those thanks?

[highwhey]

Your ancestors are also from Spain. As are mine. You’re the product of two cultures meeting through manifest destiny and mans desire to explore, and you landed in the greatest country on Earth as a result. And yet you’re an ungrateful sack of shit.
again, that strong public education in cuba really worked out for you.

your people are welfare queens that get free passes to the US.

our people had their land stolen by the US.


BIG difference. it's no wonder cubans bend over for republicans, they get a free all expenses paid trip to America, the land that belonged to MY ANCESTORS.

strong education you got from the motherland patricio, did castro teach you history himself? it would explain A LOT.

[egokiller]

Who said that standing up for the flag and saying the pledge of allegiance means you still don't put God above everything?

What a podunk backwards fvcked up way of thinking.

You literally look like a fuccboi by not standing because the pledge clearly says "under God", not above him. Who's going to hire a fuccboi that is not doing the very thing that he claims his religion tells him to do? Exactly. Hence the reason why no one hired Abdul-Rauf.

[highwhey]

"my loyalty is to my girlfriend but it's under my wife, so my loyalty is first to my wife than my girlfriend"

:roll:

[qrich]

You shouldn't lose your job because of an opinion. He didn't insight anything hateful or violent, sick of this fake wokeness bs.

If my company doesn't want me to post on FB about xyz, and I do it, damn right they'll can me. Even if it's my opinion.

[egokiller]

No fair! The pledge clearly states under God so I have no reason to think that saying it means that it's above God. Shit, what do I do now? All this time my elders led me astray!

:roll:

Fear not. You can be unmindfvcked, it will just take some time.

[highwhey]

:roll:

Fear not. You can be unmindfvcked, it will just take some time.
you are so fvkking dumb it's not even funny.

it's not the first time i have to explain something to you like a 5th grader. :(

[Patrick Chewing]

again, that strong public education in cuba really worked out for you.

your people are welfare queens that get free passes to the US.

our people had their land stolen by the US.


BIG difference. it's no wonder cubans bend over for republicans, they get a free all expenses paid trip to America, the land that belonged to MY ANCESTORS.

strong education you got from the motherland patricio, did castro teach you history himself? it would explain A LOT.


You

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]You

[sammichoffate]

If my company doesn't want me to post on FB about xyz, and I do it, damn right they'll can me. Even if it's my opinion.XYZ can vary widely, if you want higher taxes then they shouldn't be able to fire you. If you hate blacks, then that's clearly against anti-discriminatory laws. Being against certain foreign policy shouldn't leave you homeless on the streets, there's a lot of overlap between personal and religious values in Abdul-Rauf's case.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

egokiller, if you are serious and not trolling...

If America was "under God"---they'd be in submission to God and obeying God in all circumstances and recognizing that God's rules override man-made rules.

But the U.S. Constitution and the people ratifying the Amendments and Laws do not recognize that authority. Rather, they usurp it.

[JohnnySic]

They should just stop playing the national anthem at sporting events. I dont see the correlation and I never did. :confusedshrug:

[egokiller]

you are so fvkking dumb it's not even funny.

it's not the first time i have to explain something to you like a 5th grader. :(

Your low IQ doesn

[egokiller]

egokiller, if you are serious and not trolling...

If America was "under God"---they'd be in submission to God and obeying God in all circumstances and recognizing that God's rules override man-made rules.

But the U.S. Constitution and the people ratifying the Amendments and Laws do not recognize that authority. Rather, they usurp it.

America is under God.

All men are sinful in nature, hence the reason why you are left with America in its present state. To think that by standing and saying the pledge of allegiance that you are somehow defying God or saying that a flag is above God is very elementary level and misinformed thinking.

[coin24]

Who said that standing up for the flag and saying the pledge of allegiance means you still don't put God above everything?

What a podunk backwards fvcked up way of thinking.

You literally look like a fuccboi by not standing because the pledge clearly says "under God", not above him. Who's going to hire a fuccboi that is not doing the very thing that he claims his religion tells him to do? Exactly. Hence the reason why no one hired Abdul-Rauf.


Basically this.

No one wants to deal with a fanatical religious nut if they don't have to.

All the idiot had to do is stand there and be quiet for a minute and he'd have a successful career but instead has to relate it to religion and bulshit and make a fool of himself for no reason..

[bigkingsfan]

correctomundo

i declined to stand for the pledge of allegiance in grade school. got sent to the vice principal's office but they were not allowed to punish me for it. :pimp:
Honestly this is bullshit, no one gave a crap about that as kids. Especially back then.

[egokiller]

Basically this.

No one wants to deal with a fanatical religious nut if they don't have to.

All the idiot had to do is stand there and be quiet for a minute and he'd have a successful career but instead has to relate it to religion and bulshit and make a fool of himself for no reason..

And what makes the whole situation laughable is that he didn

[ILLsmak]

I dunno about Muslim extremist. He isn't that. I went to an event where he spoke, what a great speaker.

But not standing did him in.


yea I feel bad about being young and getting played by the media. I always liked his style, but I never understood why dude wouldn't just stand for the ****ing anthem and tbh I don't even think the muslim part was a huge thing in the narrative, it was just him not standing, being defiant. They made it seem like, to me at least, he was being defiant and using religion as an excuse. It wasn't like now when he was A TERRORIST/extremist or w/e.

-Smak

[Jameerthefear]

Not a good look highwhey...you're parents left their homeland to provide you opportunities they didn't have in Mexico and you come off as an ungrateful punk.

I moved to Mexico because me and my family are doing well here, I also have the option of moving back to the States if we ever have the need too, I respect the US with all it's faults, no country is perfect. To not show respect for your family's new home is pretty low IMO.
born and raised here. saying the pledge is dumb as ****. stopped saying it in highschool

[nightlight]

Honestly this is bullshit, no one gave a crap about that as kids. Especially back then.
Honestly it's not bullshit. Alan was raised Jehovah's Witness. It's no coincidence that he's struggling to find out who he is, and his sister had a debilitating mental breakdown, after leaving that cult.

[stalkerforlife]

Just like so many Christian whites.