Charles Barkley 36pts 12rbs 3asts vs Spurs G 5 1993 Playoffs

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SLJOWJOGdU

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Boxscore: https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199305180PHO.html

[Dr Hawk]

He is great to watch.

I saw this video about him some hours ago:

https://youtu.be/mu3vkwP3GHQ

It is really amazing where he could get up from and dunk.

[Round Mound]

He is great to watch.

I saw this video about him some hours ago:

https://youtu.be/mu3vkwP3GHQ

It is really amazing where he could get up from and dunk.

Indeed :applause: he shot 11-16 or 68.8% FG and 19 points in the 4th quarter also...

[AussieSteve]

Down by 5 after 3 quarters. Chuck scores 19 in the fourth to blow the spurs away.

He had some great games that series against the spurs, and of course hit the series winning 20 footer in game 6.

[AussieSteve]

DRob had a knack for letting other superstars own him in the playoffs.

[ImKobe]

How can't a 7-1 superman like David Robinson stop a 6-5 Barkley?

[AussieSteve]

How can't a 7-1 superman like David Robinson stop a 6-5 Barkley?

Because Barkley was a better player

[Loco 50]

This was my first experience of heartbreak as a Spurs fan.

[Loco 50]

DRob had a knack for letting other superstars own him in the playoffs.
Nah, DRob was surrounded by talent like Vinny Del Negro and Avery Johnson for most his career at guard so it was easy to pack the paint.


Because Barkley was a better player
Offensively, yup. Too bad the game is played on both sides.

[AussieSteve]

Nah, DRob was surrounded by talent like Vinny Del Negro and Avery Johnson for most his career at guard so it was easy to pack the paint.


For sure Chuck had more help than DRob in 93, but Avery, Ellis, Elliott and Carr was far from a scrub starting line up. Two of those guys were all stars, and Carr averaged 20ppg two seasons prior.



Offensively, yup. Too bad the game is played on both sides.


Barkley was very good defensively in the 93 playoffs. Particularly in the spurs series, where there were a couple of games where he was easily the most impactful defensive player in the game. Most notably game 6 where, as well as hitting the series winning 20 footer in DRobs face, he had 4 steals, 2 blocks and 21 rebounds (pretty sure one of those blocks was a denial of DRob at the rim as well, although that might have been in game 2 I cant quite recall)

Also, while DRob was obviously elite defensively and much much better than Barkley, I think he gets a little over rated on that end. He definitely went after blocks and was prone to leaving the floor prematurely. Guys like Barkley and Hakeem could easily exploit that, getting by him with ease and drawing fouls.

[Loco 50]

For sure Chuck had more help than DRob in 93, but Avery, Ellis, Elliott and Carr was far from a scrub starting line up. Two of those guys were all stars, and Carr averaged 20ppg two seasons prior.

Avery was a scrub, brother. It took him years to even develop into a serviceable starter.

Ellis was good, although not what he was in Seattle. Elliott was at around his peak. Carr was serviceable, but he was our best power forward and you and I both know he's no match for Barkley.

I knew the team quite well.

Our guards sucked and always sucked during the Robinson era. The best guard he had was Strickland who wasn't exactly a reliable piece.

Made us super predictable. Let DRob go off in the regular season, then swarm him in the playoffs because our guards were so inept they couldn't even feed the post adequately.



Barkley was very good defensively in the 93 playoffs. Particularly in the spurs series, where there were a couple of games where he was easily the most impactful defensive player in the game. Most notably game 6 where, as well as hitting the series winning 20 footer in DRobs face, he had 4 steals, 2 blocks and 21 rebounds (pretty sure one of those blocks was a denial of DRob at the rim as well, although that might have been in game 2 I cant quite recall)

I'm not knocking Barkley's defense. He was great, when he cared. I remember the block and was disappointed in Dave, but shit happens.



Also, while DRob was obviously elite defensively and much much better than Barkley, I think he gets a little over rated on that end. He definitely went after blocks and was prone to leaving the floor prematurely.
DRob was not overated on that end. If anything he's underrated because he's in boring ass San Antonio that the media has always, and will always ignore. To be fair, it was worse back in the day. I can remember national writers coming out and admitting that they didn't even watch Spurs' games because of the time zone difference. If you weren't Chicago or on the Coasts you got ignored back in the day.



Guys like Barkley
Eh, I don't know. If I'm coach I'm not expecting my 7fter to guard a guy as good as Barkley on the perimeter. He was the team's only option though and got burnt for it.



and Hakeem could easily exploit that, getting by him with ease and drawing fouls.
Hakeem had one good series against Robinson that ended up defining their legacies. That's fine it was the playoffs and that's where your name is earned.

However, those of us that watched know that, yeah, Hakeem caught fire, but so did every Rocket's three point shooter. Sam Cassell ate our guards up in the post as a damn rookie and Robert Horry and Mario Elie came outta nowhere to be three point assassins. You should know, I believe they got you too that year. Top that off Bob Hill being a prick and hurting Dennis Rodman's feelings to the point he quit on the team, well it's all history now.

Other than that series, Robinson put the hurt on Hakeem or they drew just about even. Too bad they never matched up again.

[AussieSteve]

Barkley had 6 games in the 93 playoffs with game score >35. Robinson had 1... in his whole playoff career.

[Loco 50]

Barkley had 6 games in the 93 playoffs with game score >35. Robinson had 1... in his whole playoff career.
And?.......I just said we never had adequate guards around him for him to succeed, unless you want him running point center?

He wasn't Barkley, dude. He had great handles for a center, but that's it. He couldn't run the team's offense. Despite that, there were years when he did lead the team in assists. That's fn sad.

3 pt shooting was also an exception and not the rule for the Spurs during that era so he got swarmed when he did get his touches.

[juju151111]

Avery was a scrub, brother. It took him years to even develop into a serviceable starter.

Ellis was good, although not what he was in Seattle. Elliott was at around his peak. Carr was serviceable, but he was our best power forward and you and I both know he's no match for Barkley.

I knew the team quite well.

Our guards sucked and always sucked during the Robinson era. The best guard he had was Strickland who wasn't exactly a reliable piece.

Made us super predictable. Let DRob go off in the regular season, then swarm him in the playoffs because our guards were so inept they couldn't even feed the post adequately.


I'm not knocking Barkley's defense. He was great, when he cared. I remember the block and was disappointed in Dave, but shit happens.


DRob was not overated on that end. If anything he's underrated because he's in boring ass San Antonio that the media has always, and will always ignore. To be fair, it was worse back in the day. I can remember national writers coming out and admitting that they didn't even watch Spurs' games because of the time zone difference. If you weren't Chicago or on the Coasts you got ignored back in the day.


Eh, I don't know. If I'm coach I'm not expecting my 7fter to guard a guy as good as Barkley on the perimeter. He was the team's only option though and got burnt for it.


Hakeem had one good series against Robinson that ended up defining their legacies. That's fine it was the playoffs and that's where your name is earned.

However, those of us that watched know that, yeah, Hakeem caught fire, but so did every Rocket's three point shooter. Sam Cassell ate our guards up in the post as a damn rookie and Robert Horry and Mario Elie came outta nowhere to be three point assassins. You should know, I believe they got you too that year. Top that off Bob Hill being a prick and hurting Dennis Rodman's feelings to the point he quit on the team, well it's all history now.

Other than that series, Robinson put the hurt on Hakeem or they drew just about even. Too bad they never matched up again.
Ypu saying too bad they never matched up again like Drob would of done something. Hakeem would of smoked him. He smoked peak David Robinson. This man was in post game interviews dont even know what to say. Lol at him stopping Prime Hakeem :roll:. Only way to stop 93-95 Hakeem is sending 2 to 3 guys. Sonics literally send everybody.

[AussieSteve]

Ypu saying too bad they never matched up again like Drob would of done something. Hakeem would of smoked him. He smoked peak David Robinson. This man was in post game interviews dont even know what to say. Lol at him stopping Prime Hakeem :roll:. Only way to stop 93-95 Hakeem is sending 2 to 3 guys. Sonics literally send everybody.

Ranked by peak level of play in the playoffs (when it mattered) you have

1. Hakeem

2. Barkley

3.Malone
4.DRob

5. Ewing

[Loco 50]

You're right DRob was shocked after that series because he had given Hakeem the business throughout his career prior to that, but Hakeem was able to take it to another level. Props to him.

That being said:

Hakeem - Drexler, Cassell :eek:

Barkley - KJ, Majerle :basketball

Malone - Stockton, Hornacek :mad:

Dave - Vinny Del Negro, Avery Johnson :yaohappy:

And half this board wonders why players are team hopping cowards nowadays.

[ImKobe]

You're right DRob was shocked after that series because he had given Hakeem the business throughout his career prior to that, but Hakeem was able to take it to another level. Props to him.

That being said:

Hakeem - Drexler, Cassell :eek:

Barkley - KJ, Majerle :basketball

Malone - Stockton, Hornacek :mad:

Dave - Vinny Del Negro, Avery Johnson :yaohappy:

And half this board wonders why players are team hopping cowards nowadays.

You're acting like those are the best guys David played with, he had Sean Elliott and Dennis Rodman his MVP season, he had good players like Dale Ellis, Rod Strickland and Terry Cummings on his previous teams as well, it's not like he was carrying garbage.

[Loco 50]

You're acting like those are the best guys David played with, he had Sean Elliott and Dennis Rodman his MVP season, he had good players like Dale Ellis, Rod Strickland and Terry Cummings on his previous teams as well, it's not like he was carrying garbage.
No, I'm not. I'm saying those were the starting guards facilitating the offense in the series that these players met. :lol

[AussieSteve]

No, I'm not. I'm saying those were the starting guards facilitating the offense in the series that these players met. :lol

DRob may have had less help but it doesn't change the fact that his production usually dipped in the POs, whereas the true greats of the era usually performed as well or better in the POs as they did in the RS.

I can't name a single performance by DRob in the POs that stands out as being particularly memorable or great (maybe you can as you are much more across his career than me). For Barkley I can name 5 games from 1993 alone.

1. 19 point Q4 in game 5 against spurs (OP)
2. 28/21 game 6 with series winner
3. 43/15/10 game 5 against sonics
4. 44/24 game 7 against sonics
5. 42/13 game 2 against bulls

I'm not sure that Robinson has any games in his playoff career as great as any of these 5. Maybe his 40/20 game against the suns in 96 1st round. He likely has plenty of games where his D was a decisive factor, but offensively his resume is not close Barkley, Hakeem, or most other top 20 ATGs

[Loco 50]

You are more than likely correct.

I've never been one to focus on individual performance over team performance though.

I wonder if folks understand that the Spurs as an organization were a wreck until Pop and Duncan came in. We had all the makings of a garbage franchise prior to that tandem: Cheapskate ownership, trading or letting go controversial players for below market value, changing coaches every year, and an inability to build around your franchise player.

Robinson did what he could and is the only reason the franchise was able to stay in S.A. so I'll always be thankful to him for that.

He had several opportunities to bounce to L.A. He didn't, the rest is history.

[Smoke117]

You are more than likely correct.

I've never been one to focus on individual performance over team performance though.

I wonder if folks understand that the Spurs as an organization were a wreck until Pop and Duncan came in. We had all the makings of a garbage franchise prior to that tandem: Cheapskate ownership, trading or letting go controversial players for below market value, changing coaches every year, and an inability to build around your franchise player.

Robinson did what he could and is the only reason the franchise was able to stay in S.A. so I'll always be thankful to him for that.

He had several opportunities to bounce to L.A. He didn't, the rest is history.

Robinson completely carried teams like only a handful of players ever did. You only have to look at 97 to see this. They go from 59 wins in 96 to 20 wins after he basically misses the entire season. You could surround him with bench players and he'd lead your team to 50 wins. You can count on five fingers the other players in the history of the NBA that had his kind of impact.

[Loco 50]

Robinson completely carried teams like only a handful of players ever did. You only have to look at 97 to see this. They go from 59 wins in 96 to 20 wins after he basically misses the entire season. You could surround him with bench players and he'd lead your team to 50 wins. You can count on five fingers the other players in the history of the NBA that had his kind of impact.
:applause: That dude Smoke the truth bringer. :applause:

[AussieSteve]

Robinson completely carried teams like only a handful of players ever did. You only have to look at 97 to see this. They go from 59 wins in 96 to 20 wins after he basically misses the entire season. You could surround him with bench players and he'd lead your team to 50 wins. You can count on five fingers the other players in the history of the NBA that had his kind of impact.

Absolutely, however this is a little over stated. Sean Elliot was an all star in 96 and the spurs 2nd best player. In 97 he missed 50 games. The games he did play, he was much less productive.

So they didn't just lose DRob, they lost their 2 best players. Take the two best playets of any team and they lose way more games than they win.

It's also a factor of how bad Greg Anderson was as a back up centre.

[Smoke117]

Absolutely, however this is a little over stated. Sean Elliot was an all star in 96 and the spurs 2nd best player. In 97 he missed 50 games. The games he did play, he was much less productive.

So they didn't just lose DRob, they lost their 2 best players. Take the two best playets of any team and they lose way more games than they win.

It's also a factor of how bad Greg Anderson was as a back up centre.

Sean Elliott didn't even have 1/4th of the impact Robinson had. Big Dave had a league leading 9.2 BPM in 96. Elliott had a pedestrian 2.0. If you take Robinson of the 96 team and replace him with an average center they'd probably win 30 games max. If you replace Elliot with an average SF they still win 50+ games.

[AussieSteve]

Sean Elliott didn't even have 1/4th of the impact Robinson had. Big Dave had a league leading 9.2 BPM in 96. Elliott had a pedestrian 2.0. If you take Robinson of the 96 team and replace him with an average center they'd probably win 30 games max. If you replace Elliot with an average SF they still win 50+ games.

Not disagreeing with you. Just saying that to state that "DRob took a 20 win team to 59 wins" is over stated. What you can say is the that "DRob plus an all star shooting guard took a 20 win team to 59 wins"

EDIT...
Do you think that if you took both Barkley and Dan Marjele off the 93 suns they don't drop >30 games? Marjele Is about equal to Elliot?

Fun fact... over the first two seasons that Barkley was at Phoenix, they were 109-32 with him (63.4 win pace) and 9-14 without him (32.1 win pace) was Barkley alone worth 31.3 wins?