Scottie Pippen defense vs the Jazz 2000 gm 5 wcsf

[Smoke117]

3ball will have you believe Pippen's defense didn't mean anything 2 and 3 years earlier when he was even better on the Bulls in 97 and 98, doe. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaarvC_FDcc) 3ball also gets owned when Scottie makes and takes the huge clutch 3 to win the game...but,but... he was worthless in the clutch! He closed the Jazz out with 23pts 9rebs 8ast 3stl 1blk

[SpaceJam]

He will just flood this thread with points per game stats, even though thread topic is defense

[Smoke117]

He will just flood this thread with points per game stats, even though thread topic is defense

That's the main reason why I'm confused if he even actually watched Jordan or not. He never actually makes any post that makes you think he watched him. It always just revolves around numbers like all he does is spend hims time 24/7 on basketball reference. You'd think someone who has Jordan's member choking off his air would at least be able to talk about him from an eye point of view...but you get none of that from this joke.

[zeerghit]

why u fu*king care what that fake guy saying? 3ball is a joke, a gimmick, end of story

[LAmbruh]

no pipp no chipp

[ImKobe]

21 Y.O Kobe destroyed him in the WCF.

[bigkingsfan]

21 Y.O Kobe destroyed him in the WCF.
44% 20 PPG, destroyed :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

44% 20 PPG, destroyed :oldlol:
:roll:

[LAmbruh]

44% 20 PPG, destroyed :oldlol:
:roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

44% 20 PPG, destroyed :oldlol:

Go-ahead FTs, followed by jumper in his face in the 4th, followed by the iconic play

https://j.gifs.com/vlLR2n.gif

https://media2.giphy.com/media/hsG1WP2g5jnAQ/source.gif

25/4/8 on 48%FG the next year in a sweep as well.

21 y.o Kobe outplayed your boy Pippen

[superduper]

Go-ahead FTs, followed by jumper in his face in the 4th, followed by the iconic play

https://j.gifs.com/vlLR2n.gif

https://media2.giphy.com/media/hsG1WP2g5jnAQ/source.gif

25/4/8 on 48%FG the next year in a sweep as well.

21 y.o Kobe outplayed your boy Pippen

Shaq gets all the clout for that play but it was 100% all Kobe just absolutely breaking down the greatest perimeter defender this game has ever seen and then of course the unselfish playmake. There's a reason Kobe's the 2nd highest non-PG assist getter in history and leading playmaker for 5 championship teams.

[ImKobe]

Shaq gets all the clout for that play but it was 100% all Kobe just absolutely breaking down the greatest perimeter defender this game has ever seen and then of course the unselfish playmake. There's a reason Kobe's the 2nd highest non-PG assist getter in history and leading playmaker for 5 championship teams.

Kobe went at Pippen 3 plays in a row and it resulted in 2 points every time. From a tie game to up 6 in just 1 minute.

Kobe absolutely dominated him in the last 2 games of the series.

[bigkingsfan]

Kobe went at Pippen 3 plays in a row and it resulted in 2 points every time. From a tie game to up 6 in just 1 minute.

Kobe absolutely dominated him in the last 2 games of the series.
Old Pip held Kobe to 40% 17 ppg in the first five. That shit ends quicker if he didn't lay an egg.

[ImKobe]

Old Pip held Kobe to 40% 17 ppg in the first five. That shit ends quicker if he didn't lay an egg.

"held"

First 2 games were blowouts where Kobe had 13 and 12 points on barely any shots, then you look at Game 3 and Kobe goes 25/7/7/2 on 61%FG with a game-saving block on Sabonis at the end to take a 2 - 1 lead, Game 4 is another blowout win for the Lakers and Kobe has 18 points, 7 assists with 2 steals and 3 blocks.

You can blame him for the Game 5 loss all you want but how many players at age 21 (other than Magic) have played that consistently in a big Playoff stage like Kobe did throughout that series, especially on the defensive end.

I don't see you saying anything about Shaq going 7/17 with 3/10 from the FT line in a Game 6 loss where Kobe has 33 points, 6 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks on 12/24 shooting with 6/9 from three.

And Kobe was far from terrible but you obviously love leaving out stats every time

he averaged 20.4/4.9/5.9/1.6/2.1 with a 55.2%TS in the WCF, led the team in assists, steals and blocks and shot a higher TS% than Shaq. Kobe shot 52% from three in that series.

[bigkingsfan]

"held"

First 2 games were blowouts where Kobe had 13 and 12 points on barely any shots, then you look at Game 3 and Kobe goes 25/7/7/2 on 61%FG with a game-saving block on Sabonis at the end to take a 2 - 1 lead, Game 4 is another blowout win for the Lakers and Kobe has 18 points, 7 assists with 2 steals and 3 blocks.

You can blame him for the Game 5 loss all you want but how many players at age 21 (other than Magic) have played that consistently in a big Playoff stage like Kobe did throughout that series, especially on the defensive end.

I don't see you saying anything about Shaq going 7/17 with 3/10 from the FT line in a Game 6 loss where Kobe has 33 points, 6 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks on 12/24 shooting with 6/9 from three.

And Kobe was far from terrible but you obviously love leaving out stats every time

he averaged 20.4/4.9/5.9/1.6/2.1 with a 55.2%TS in the WCF, led the team in assists, steals and blocks and shot a higher TS% than Shaq. Kobe shot 52% from three in that series.
Pip did in fact held Kobe in check most of the series.
Destroyed though. :roll:

[RRR3]

"held"

First 2 games were blowouts where Kobe had 13 and 12 points on barely any shots, then you look at Game 3 and Kobe goes 25/7/7/2 on 61%FG with a game-saving block on Sabonis at the end to take a 2 - 1 lead, Game 4 is another blowout win for the Lakers and Kobe has 18 points, 7 assists with 2 steals and 3 blocks.

You can blame him for the Game 5 loss all you want but how many players at age 21 (other than Magic) have played that consistently in a big Playoff stage like Kobe did throughout that series, especially on the defensive end.

I don't see you saying anything about Shaq going 7/17 with 3/10 from the FT line in a Game 6 loss where Kobe has 33 points, 6 assists, 4 steals and 3 blocks on 12/24 shooting with 6/9 from three.

And Kobe was far from terrible but you obviously love leaving out stats every time

he averaged 20.4/4.9/5.9/1.6/2.1 with a 55.2%TS in the WCF, led the team in assists, steals and blocks and shot a higher TS% than Shaq. Kobe shot 52% from three in that series.
This thread isn’t about your loverboy.

Stop ruining threads with your obsession.

[72-10]

look at this clown

put Pip on pretty much any defender other than his own teammate and he'll stop him from penetrating the lane

Pip basically gifted the Bulls one of their Finals games wins against the Jazz with seven threes

[72-10]

who does this Kobe guy think he is?

[Smoke117]

look at this clown

put Pip on pretty much any defender other than his own teammate and he'll stop him from penetrating the lane

Pip basically gifted the Bulls one of their Finals games wins against the Jazz with seven threes

Sigh. Putting Pippen on the opposing teams best scorer is a waste of his talents. What makes Scottie Pippen the greatest perimeter defensive player of all time is his legendary help/team defense. He was always everywhere like you see in this clip. You want him out there like a free safety to disrupt what a team wants to do. That's what he did vs the Jazz. Jerry Sloan was constantly raging against the refs that he was playing illegal defense in those Bulls/Jazz series as he was always playing off his man.

[3ball]

Pippen averaged 11/5/5 on 41%

So he was Andre Roberson

Who cares

MJ won 6 rings with Andre Roberson as 2nd option... thanks OP.. that's been my point all along

[Turbo Slayer]

Pippen averaged 11/5/5 on 41%

So he was Andre Roberson

Who cares

MJ won 6 rings with Andre Roberson as 2nd option... thanks OP.. that's been my point all along
Lost my respect for after that sdothadon post. :coleman: calling the cops on him not cool.:no:

[Loco 50]

Pippen averaged 11/5/5 on 41%

So he was Andre Roberson

Who cares

MJ won 6 rings with Andre Roberson as 2nd option... thanks OP.. that's been my point all along
This shit should get that ass banned.:mad:

[Kblaze8855]

This shit should get that ass banned.:mad:

Hes a pretty brutal troll on the subject of any teammate of Jordan....but we ignore it unless hes making too many topics at once. Like the other trolls.




There's a reason Kobe's the 2nd highest non-PG assist getter in history


Yes there is. The same reason Lebron is the all time playoff leading scorer. Playing more games.

Kobes 31st in total but 147th per game. Give Blake Griffin a few more years like the last several he will pass Kobe per game. I dont know why people hang onto those totals like they dont know the people at the top always play way more games....

Its still...nice...to have the totals. But obviously it doesnt tell the story.

[72-10]

Sigh. Putting Pippen on the opposing teams best scorer is a waste of his talents. What makes Scottie Pippen the greatest perimeter defensive player of all time is his legendary help/team defense. He was always everywhere like you see in this clip. You want him out there like a free safety to disrupt what a team wants to do. That's what he did vs the Jazz. Jerry Sloan was constantly raging against the refs that he was playing illegal defense in those Bulls/Jazz series as he was always playing off his man.

I agree - it was his best attribute and contribution to the defense.


though he is also the king of the chase down block

and there's too many factors to consider to decide if Pippen should guard the opposing teams' best scorer, most notably whether it's at the forward position

i.e. Rodman was a better, more effective defender during the early 90s than Pippen ever was, but it was kind of a wash when they played together in the late 90s, and Rodman would be better suited to guard the 4 or 5 at any point in his career than Pippen ever was

however, the 4 was rarely the best scorer in the late 90s, and Rodman rarely guarded the 5

iow Pippen mostly guarded twos and threes

Bulls player guarding opposing team's first scoring option
91 Finals: Michael Jordan (guarding Magic Johnson)
92 Finals: Michael Jordan (guarding Clyde Drexler)
93 Finals: Horace Grant (guarding Charles Barkley)
96 Finals: Dennis Rodman (guarding Shawn Kemp)
97 Finals: Dennis Rodman (guarding Karl Malone)
98 Finals: Dennis Rodman (guarding Karl Malone)

[3ball]

Lost my respect for after that sdothadon post. :coleman: calling the cops on him not cool.:no:
You guys are all my toilet paper

been wiping my ass with you guys for years

11/5/5 on 41% is Andre Roberson

it is..

you just are just in denial cause ur dumb

and I said i'd beat the shit out of sdot too in self-defense.. don't leave that out.. but he's too afraid to face me... he can only hide behind his computer like a bitch.

like all of you
.

[Smoke117]

I agree - it was his best attribute and contribution to the defense.


though he is also the king of the chase down block

and there's too many factors to consider to decide if Pippen should guard the opposing teams' best scorer, most notably whether it's at the forward position

i.e. Rodman was a better, more effective defender during the early 90s than Pippen ever was, but it was kind of a wash when they played together in the late 90s, and Rodman would be better suited to guard the 4 or 5 at any point in his career than Pippen ever was

however, the 4 was rarely the best scorer in the late 90s, and Rodman rarely guarded the 5

iow Pippen mostly guarded twos and threes

Bulls player guarding opposing team's first scoring option
91 Finals: Michael Jordan (guarding Magic Johnson)
92 Finals: Michael Jordan (guarding Clyde Drexler)
93 Finals: Horace Grant (guarding Charles Barkley)
96 Finals: Dennis Rodman (guarding Shawn Kemp)
97 Finals: Dennis Rodman (guarding Karl Malone)
98 Finals: Dennis Rodman (guarding Karl Malone)

Not really. Rodman shouldn't have either of his DPOY awards. He was getting them over a Hakeem and David Robinson at their peaks defensively. His DPOY are a joke. Pippen was a superior defensive player in 94 and 95 to Rodman at his best.

[Rico2016]

We know the story here


No Pip

No Chip

[stalkerforlife]

You guys are all my toilet paper

been wiping my ass with you guys for years

11/5/5 on 41% is Andre Roberson

it is..

you just are just in denial cause ur dumb

and I said i'd beat the shit out of sdot too in self-defense.. don't leave that out.. but he's too afraid to face me... he can only hide behind his computer like a bitch.

like all of you
.

:roll:

[andgar923]

3ball will have you believe Pippen's defense didn't mean anything 2 and 3 years earlier when he was even better on the Bulls in 97 and 98, doe. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaarvC_FDcc) 3ball also gets owned when Scottie makes and takes the huge clutch 3 to win the game...but,but... he was worthless in the clutch! He closed the Jazz out with 23pts 9rebs 8ast 3stl 1blk
3Ball is a nutty extremist. Im an Mj stan myself but even I have my limits.

But this thread is equally as dumb.

While 3Ball goes to great lengths to diminish Pip's contributions it's mostly a counter to the gross exaggerations of MJ's detractors such as well... this thread.

Pip's contributions have been exaggerated to great lengths by Bron stans to somehow prop up Bron and diminish MJ's contributions, hell.... not even Kobe stans went to these lengths to diminish MJ (for the most part).

Hell, Bron stans have claimed that Grant is an all time great :rolleyes:
BJ is some sort of great PG :facepalm

And other nutty reaches to prop up Bron.

FACT is, MJ played just as great if not better defense than Pip.

Yeah, call me a nutty stan but MJ was as great if not better but his defensive impact gets silly overlooked. While Pip was a great help defender, MJ was the better lock down defender bar none. Some will even argue that Mj was perhaps the best shutdown defender of all time.

If one actually understood the game they'd notice that MJ was perhaps the best rotation defender of all time aside from perhaps Hakeem. Kenny Smith and others didn't exaggerate when they claimed MJ could guard an entire side of the floor by himself as he switched and moved from one man to the other, deflecting passes, switching off screens to detour plays, double etc.

All of this is easy to search online and easily gets overlooked.

In conclusion, it's ignorant to try to prop up Pip to prop up Bron in order to diminish MJ.

Like Jeru said 'ya playin yaself'

[BigShotBob]

Are we going to pretend like MJ wasn't a better defender than Pippen? I don't even think Pippen thinks that he was a better defender than him.

[Smoke117]

3Ball is a nutty extremist. Im an Mj stan myself but even I have my limits.

But this thread is equally as dumb.

While 3Ball goes to great lengths to diminish Pip's contributions it's mostly a counter to the gross exaggerations of MJ's detractors such as well... this thread.

Pip's contributions have been exaggerated to great lengths by Bron stans to somehow prop up Bron and diminish MJ's contributions, hell.... not even Kobe stans went to these lengths to diminish MJ (for the most part).

Hell, Bron stans have claimed that Grant is an all time great :rolleyes:
BJ is some sort of great PG :facepalm

And other nutty reaches to prop up Bron.

FACT is, MJ played just as great if not better defense than Pip.

Yeah, call me a nutty stan but MJ was as great if not better but his defensive impact gets silly overlooked. While Pip was a great help defender, MJ was the better lock down defender bar none. Some will even argue that Mj was perhaps the best shutdown defender of all time.

If one actually understood the game they'd notice that MJ was perhaps the best rotation defender of all time aside from perhaps Hakeem. Kenny Smith and others didn't exaggerate when they claimed MJ could guard an entire side of the floor by himself as he switched and moved from one man to the other, deflecting passes, switching off screens to detour plays, double etc.

All of this is easy to search online and easily gets overlooked.

In conclusion, it's ignorant to try to prop up Pip to prop up Bron in order to diminish MJ.

Like Jeru said 'ya playin yaself'

lol You realize I don't care about LeBron one bit, right, cupcake? I am not nor have I ever been a Bran fan. None of this nonsensical rhetorical nonsense you just typed up has any bearing when it comes to my opinion. Yes, though, let's take the opinion of a known obsessive over common sense. You going on about Jordan being the best rotation defensive defensive player ever is hilarious. Scottie Pippen was clearly a better team/help defender, period. Anyone who actually watched the Bulls and doesn't have an agenda knows this. You only have to watch the Bulls play to see this. Though, apparently with obsessives like you, you need to actually take off your Jordan goggles first.

[72-10]

Are we going to pretend like MJ wasn't a better defender than Pippen? I don't even think Pippen thinks that he was a better defender than him.

MJ wasn't a better defender. Not during that second three peat.:no:

[Round Mound]

Pippen and Jordan are the 2 best defenders at their positions but Pippen was more verstaile defensively. Pippen is The GOAT Perimeter Defender and its not even close. This does not take away the fact that Michael Jordan is easily the GREATEST PLAYER OF ALL TIME btw.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Are we going to pretend like MJ wasn't a better defender than Pippen? I don't even think Pippen thinks that he was a better defender than him.

This. Its b/c most ppl only remember the 2nd 3peat where Pip was better defensively but that was past MJs defensive prime, which was 88-93. In that span MJ was better than Pip ever was on defense and only a handful of perimeter players were better defenders than THAT MJ. He was considered by most to be the best defender in the game until his 1st retirement in 93. Obviously that was wrong with bigs like Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, etc being far better but casuals never bring up and underrate the impact of big men in discussions and always play them down. But as far as perimeter players go it was pretty obviously Jordan.

Another reason was ppl point to their matchup with Magic but Pip had length and size on him and u couldnt use a guard to defend Magic b/c hed just destroy them in the post. Even Pip struggled to actually defend Magic when he got switched. He took away passing angles much better than MJ could b/c of his size but Magic was still getting his. It was actually Horace Grant that defended Magic the best in that series and he had one of the best builds/defensive styles for it

[ILLsmak]

Hes a pretty brutal troll on the subject of any teammate of Jordan....but we ignore it unless hes making too many topics at once. Like the other trolls.






Yes there is. The same reason Lebron is the all time playoff leading scorer. Playing more games.

Kobes 31st in total but 147th per game. Give Blake Griffin a few more years like the last several he will pass Kobe per game. I dont know why people hang onto those totals like they dont know the people at the top always play way more games....

Its still...nice...to have the totals. But obviously it doesnt tell the story.

the "classic" 3 ball post is one where he starts out with maybe a trollish premise, but he makes points that are at least somewhat believable, then as the post goes on he continues to slip in more and more ridiculous things. It's kind of like art. It's hilarious.

I dunno if he's that bad of a troll. If you get trolled by him, you played yourself. You're not going to 'prove him wrong,' once you understand that, it's fun to just observe.

Edit: and if you're talking about getting a rise out of 3ball, if you're not getting any colored text or gifs, he's probably not even thinking. haha. I put 3ball on a tier below Euroleague and whoever LAZ's original acct was. Euroleague because he plays the part of being an insane person who calls other people insane so well and LAZ because dude had folders of essays "Wilt outplayed Kareem who outplayed Hakeem...", that he'd just post directly whenever he could make it seem relevant. 3ball is like 80% troll 20% content generating.

-Smak

[And1AllDay]

championship years

mike 6
bran 3

champion ship years leading team in def rtg under 101

mike 0 for 6
bran 2 for 3

mike never had 1 championship playoff run under 101 defen rating and bran had 2

pippen had more then mike as well

so sorry for your loss

[egokiller]

3ball will have you believe Pippen's defense didn't mean anything 2 and 3 years earlier when he was even better on the Bulls in 97 and 98, doe. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaarvC_FDcc) 3ball also gets owned when Scottie makes and takes the huge clutch 3 to win the game...but,but... he was worthless in the clutch! He closed the Jazz out with 23pts 9rebs 8ast 3stl 1blk

All your doing Smoke is praising MJ's greatness with this thread considering he's the one that molded Scottie into the defender he became. :applause:

It was Pippen's individual defense that mattered most, and he became a great individual defender due to covering MJ every day in practice. Notice how no one is talking about Pippen's help D in this vid during the 91 finals. It's all about Pippen matching up against Magic and his man to man defense.

https://youtu.be/uOoYLtc3rts?t=169

"It was Pippen's off ball defense that enabled the Bulls to stop Magic in the 91 finals" - said no one ever.

[FromDowntown]

Scottie was a killer on the defensive end. He could stop anyone when he put his mind to it

[ImKobe]

Scottie was a killer on the defensive end. He could stop anyone when he put his mind to it

Except he couldn't stop a 21 y.o Kobe when it mattered the most.

[egokiller]

Except he couldn't stop a 21 y.o Kobe when it mattered the most.

To be fair, no one could.