PJax was right: Abdul-Rauf like Curry

[DoctorP]

Watching Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf is like watching Steph Curry in the 90s.

Here he is against the 72-win Bulls.

The resemblance is uncanny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLz1FrEUhQ

(Phil Jackson once made the comparison.)

[coin24]

If only he wasn't blinded by the cult.. what an idiot

[iamgine]

LMAO this was during the shortened 3pt line.

Before the shortened line, he only shot 1.7 attempts per game on 32% efficiency.

Basically the guy can't really shoot from the real NBA 3 point distance.

If you call that "like Curry", then damn we got low standards to be like Curry.

[Kblaze8855]

LMAO this was during the shortened 3pt line.

Before the shortened line, he only shot 1.7 attempts per game on 32% efficiency.

Basically the guy can't really shoot from the real NBA 3 point distance.

If you call that "like Curry", then damn we got low standards to be like Curry.

Can

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Can

[FultzNationRISE]

Uh yeah and Dwight shot 80+% FT in practice. Heck, I've seen a girl make 70/100 3pts from NBA 3s. It's what you can do consistently in games that matters.

You can't claim to be "like Curry" and shot 1.7 attempts on 32%. :lol



You could claim to be like MJ though.

[Kblaze8855]

Uh yeah and Dwight shot 80+% FT in practice. Heck, I've seen a girl make 70/100 3pts from NBA 3s. It's what you can do consistently in games that matters.

You can't claim to be "like Curry" and shot 1.7 attempts on 32%. :lol

You don

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You don

[ralph_i_el]

[QUOTE=iamgine]Geez so we're going to "no one knows what he can do because that

[iamgine]

This is such a narrow way of looking at the comparison.
Do show the non narrow way then. :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You don

[imdaman99]

He was fun to watch, just like Curry can be fun to watch in this era. He was def ahead of the times. Blackballed though.

Freedom comes at a cost.

[ralph_i_el]

Do show the non narrow way then. :confusedshrug:

You don't see how they are stylistically similar? Just imagine the line isn't there. We're talking a distance of a couple feet here.

[lakers1978]

https://youtu.be/bUUmfw_OkeY

[DoctorP]

If only he wasn't blinded by the cult.. what an idiot



Lucky for him he's in the good old USA , if he were in China he would have to be reprogrammed :lol


Dude was kind of Kapaernick before Kapaernick, though

[superduper]

The amount of people that just cant understand the 3point shot was literally seen as the worst and most inefficient shot in basketball up until like 5 years ago and are dumbfounded as to why players of past generations didn't shoot more 3s and werent better at them :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Can't make this kind of stupidity up tbh...

[DoctorP]

LMAO this was during the shortened 3pt line.

Before the shortened line, he only shot 1.7 attempts per game on 32% efficiency.

Basically the guy can't really shoot from the real NBA 3 point distance.

If you call that "like Curry", then damn we got low standards to be like Curry.



Holy shhhh I didn't realize that was the shortened line. Those are all mid-range shots today....


But that said, look at the quick release, look at the pick and roll attack. Stylistically there are huge similarities here. This is as close as it gets to seeing what Curry would look like in the 90s era.


Now yeah you put actual Curry in there playing today's style and it would be bananas

[DoctorP]

You don't see how they are stylistically similar? Just imagine the line isn't there. We're talking a distance of a couple feet here.



Yeah I feel u dude

[DocSlam]

You don't see how they are stylistically similar? Just imagine the line isn't there. We're talking a distance of a couple feet here.
We saw him play. We KNOW how great he was. Abdul-Rauf was a more traditional (passing) PG than Curry . But he could score when he wanted to score.

[Kblaze8855]

Holy shhhh I didn't realize that was the shortened line. Those are all mid-range shots today....

Difference wasn

[paksat]

thats kinda...really really dumb.

:biggums:

did they even math bro?

lol reminds me of a time where I shot a 20 footer with the back end of my foot on the 3 point line

one of the guys on the other team looked at me funny and said "man that was a deep 2"

All I said was, "was it an open shot?"

[tontoz]

The amount of people that just cant understand the 3point shot was literally seen as the worst and most inefficient shot in basketball up until like 5 years ago and are dumbfounded as to why players of past generations didn't shoot more 3s and werent better at them :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Can't make this kind of stupidity up tbh...


Nonsense. Mark Price took 5 threes a game shooting 40.6% in 1990. Reggie did the same.

Era is not an excuse for poor shooting. A guy shooting 35% for his career from 3 is not "like Curry".

Price was the closest thing to Curry in that era but nobody has really ever been "like Curry".

[Kblaze8855]

thats kinda...really really dumb.

:biggums:

did they even math bro?

They basketballed.


For 100 years it wouldnt occur to someone to miss more shots for the greater good longterm and spacing. When you caught the ball open....you shot it.


This is a normal game for Chris Mullin......




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Lots of long 2s that he would step back to shoot today. Its a difference in approach. Mullin in his 50s was winning shooting games vs Kevin Durant:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyiYuBCLTjc



Notice only the old people in the room picked Mullin to win?


He was an obsessive worker. Lots of players will tell you Millins work ethic showed them what it was to be a pro. Obviously....he would make a lot of threes today.

In his career high ppg year he made 23 threes...he shot 23%. Last year Westbrook shot 29% and made 119. More than Mullin did in any season. Mullin when he transitioned to a role player shot great from 3....but on no volume.

But he was all NBA first team. Guys like Barkley, Pippen, and Nique were behind him on all nba teams largely because of his shooting and basketball IQ. People who watched 50 years of the NBA would tell you...he was the best shooter some of them ever saw...because shooting didnt mean 3 pointers till like 10-15 years ago. 26ppg on 54% shooting.....he was efficient....but guys today wouldnt see it as an optimal way to play. He would be expected to accept more misses to better his teams spacing. Some coach would make him come off the screen at 24 feet instead of 22. And hed adjust. Hed shoot worse from the field...better from 3. Especially considering volume.

The higher volume reduces the impact of the required bad shots and "**** it" heaves on the percentages.

Guys now would be so frustrated watching him play. Hed wet like 9 long 2s in a game and have you pulling your hair out....but he was a shooter. One season he had 3 40 point games...and in none of them did he attempt a 3. He was crafty...could get himself open. Get to the line.

We considered guys like that shooters....but today him...and even guys like Drazen who may have been even better as a pure shooter...they would be looked at as like....attackers.

This is how the one guy Reggie Miller admits was a better shooter than him played.....



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Best shooter alive going to the basket and pulling up midrange like Demar Derozan and everyone was fine with it.



Its hard to explain how different it really was to people who only see the highlights. It was just not the same game being played far as the principles of a good offense.

Hard to judge any of those guys shooting by their numbers. ITs more an issue of skill and play style.

Which is why Steve Kerr...having played Abdul-Rauf was actually the first person to raise the comparison between he and Steph in public.

He said Rauf, Mark Price, and Steve Nash were the only people hed ever seen close as far as shooting but all of them behind Steph for various reasons. A lot of people who saw them both understand the comparison despite the numbers not making sense to people who werent there.

[Kblaze8855]

Nonsense. Mark Price took 5 threes a game shooting 40.6% in 1990. Reggie did the same.

Era is not an excuse for poor shooting. A guy shooting 35% for his career from 3 is not "like Curry".

Price was the closest thing to Curry in that era but nobody has really ever been "like Curry".

People are obviously talking about style and approach. The general skillset not numbers. This was Kerr well before Phil Jackson said anything about it:


[QUOTE]Statistics say Warriors coach Steve Kerr was a better 3-point shooter in his time than Golden State

[tontoz]

Rauf was certainly quick with good handles but there is no getting around the fact that for his career he averaged 15 ppg with a 50.6% TS.

For his career Steph is averaging 9 more ppg with a TS 12% higher.

Sometimes perception and reality don't match up.

[Kblaze8855]

Sometimes numbers aren’t reality when the basketball players and coaches are evaluating skills. You’re a numbers guy I’ve always thought. Forever talking about TS percentages which is....fine. It just clearly isn’t what the people in question are talking about.

You’re talking about his numbers. They seem to be talking about his game.

Two valid points to make but not the same subject.

I’m sure a scan through basketball reference could tell somebody who is statistically the most similar to Steph Curry. But whoever it is likey won’t play more like he does....than Chris Jackson did. It just isnt the same question is it?

[tontoz]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Sometimes numbers aren

[tontoz]

Rauf was like Jamal Crawford. Great highlights which caused people to overrate them as players.

[Kblaze8855]

Do you think any of the people making the comparison dont realize Rauf wasnt scoring 30 a game? You arent stupid so im sure you know they knew that. I think you have a stats guy approach that just kinda makes you wanna inject it at every chance even when its clear that isnt what anyone means.

Nobody....nooooooooooobody...thought Rauf was getting the same buckets Steph is. One is an MVP and the other was a part time starter. Nobody anywhere was talking about them being on similar levels of production.

Other shooters...nba players...coaches. They are talking about the similarities in play style which obviously are limited partly because nobody ever played like Steph before Steph. Again...its like watching the first step of guys like David Thompson and seeing the Jordanlike qualities.

Nobody is saying this guy IS Jordan.......


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But you can see how he moves and why it would get someone thinking it was Jordanesque with the first step and springy explosiveness(ignoring that Jordan was thompsonesque because it was his idol of course).

Rauf was one of the first players you would see play like this:




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But he was still an 80s built early 90s guard from a background of midrange play. College only added the 3 pointer in 87. Guys like him didnt come up looking for the line which is why you have plays like this:




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Which would get beaten out of him today. Toe on the line 2s are a deadly sin in todays league. Guys then didnt think about where their feet were.

It was just different. Different in ways its hard to pin down with a number. He wasnt taking 8 in rhythm offense designed 3s like he would be today. He could be the exact same player....and shoot better...because hed be asked to do it in offenses that catered to it.

Id bet my life he wouldnt have a single season shooting 31% from 3 today. Same player different approach. None of those people who absolutely know the game...and know shooting....are judging him off these numbers. Dale Ellis had a podcast interview on his time in Denver. Youre old enough to remember Dale I know. One of the only guys from back then shot shot 40% from 3 on good volume. In the interview he said Rauf is not only an all time great shooter but hes the only player he ever played with that he had the same confidence in shooting....that he had in himself.

These other great shooters....they saw it. He was not his numbers. Not that anyone else is either.

[red1]

now that's a man of principle right there.

the NBA can learn a thing or two on integrity from this man of principle.


#CantSwitchWontSwitch #****YourAnthem

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[Kblaze8855]

Rauf was like Jamal Crawford. Great highlights which caused people to overrate them as players.


Well when every evaluation ive ever seen you make includes TS% I would imagine you would take issue with a lot of people.

I think that was you in the Webber/Pierce topic a few days ago talking about Webbers career TS%. Thats just kinda....your lane I suppose. Makes us a little incompatible.

[tontoz]

Well when every evaluation ive ever seen you make includes TS% I would imagine you would take issue with a lot of people.

I think that was you in the Webber/Pierce topic a few days ago talking about Webbers career TS%. Thats just kinda....your lane I suppose. Makes us a little incompatible.


Making baskets is a pretty fundamental part of basketball. If a shot doesn't go in it doesn't matter that you crossed a guy over before the shot.

If you want to evaluate a scorer you can't do it without looking at ppg and efficiency.

[bigkingsfan]

now that's a man of principle right there.

the NBA can learn a thing or two on integrity from this man of principle.


#CantSwitchWontSwitch #****YourAnthem


He was standing the next game when they docked his paycheck.

[red1]

He was standing the next game when they docked his paycheck.
that was the work of the devil and the white man working in cahoots :no:

[Kblaze8855]

Making baskets is a pretty fundamental part of basketball. If a shot doesn't go in it doesn't matter that you crossed a guy over before the shot.

If you want to evaluate a scorer you can't do it without looking at ppg and efficiency.

There are many times the numbers might as well not be there. What am I really learning about Hakeem from the knowledge that he

[Haymaker]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]You don

[tontoz]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]There are many times the numbers might as well not be there. What am I really learning about Hakeem from the knowledge that he

[Kblaze8855]

I

[tpols]

They basketballed.


For 100 years it wouldnt occur to someone to miss more shots for the greater good longterm and spacing. When you caught the ball open....you shot it.


How many more shots you gonna miss shooting 3 inches back from where you been shooting it all along? Like 1% worse maybe? For a 50% multiplier?

Not like he's gonna be less open 5 inches back from where he was already open..

If anything he'd have in even cleaner look.


:roll:

It has been evolution of the game to not do shit like that. More points and more spacing ~ much better team offensive potential.

[tontoz]

I’m gonna go ahead and listen to Steve Kerr, Dale Ellis, and other shooters on the subject of who shoots well. Reggie Millers evaluation of a shooter is quite valuable to me. I can google. I can’t shoot. I listen to shooters. Seems the way to go. Let me hear from the dinosaur who played with and against a player over the 7 year old who could give me the same numbers you do without even knowing what a basketball is. If you are amused I’m glad I could brighten someone’s day I guess. I just....like for people to have an idea about the subject matter.

I can read numbers about hockey all day. I don’t....know shit about hockey. So I dont argue with hockey peoples skill based evaluations. I find that reasonable.


They keep track of makes and misses. The best shooters miss less than other guys. That is the way it works.

Anecdotes/opinions don't matter on the scoreboard. Makes and misses do.

Rauf was great from the foul line. Everywhere else he was ok. Like Crawford (50 point games on 3 different teams) he looked better than he was. Stylewise sure Rauf was similar but he was never a great shooter from the field.

[PickernRoller]

Could actually post. Curry posting :roll: :roll:

But yes, movement style, how he comes off screens and releases the shot, very Curry like. The range however, that's where everything stops. Still Jax is right.

[Kblaze8855]

They keep track of makes and misses. The best shooters miss less than other guys. That is the way it works.

Anecdotes/opinions don't matter on the scoreboard. Makes and misses do.

Rauf was great from the foul line. Everywhere else he was ok. Like Crawford (50 point games on 3 different teams) he looked better than he was. Stylewise sure Rauf was similar but he was never a great shooter from the field.


And yet....the guy who is the all time leader in three point percentage is among the people telling you

[Kblaze8855]

That kinda got outta hand but I

[ralph_i_el]

Making baskets is a pretty fundamental part of basketball. If a shot doesn't go in it doesn't matter that you crossed a guy over before the shot.

If you want to evaluate a scorer you can't do it without looking at ppg and efficiency.

Yeah, but some eras see lower ts% across the board.

[tontoz]

Shooting statistics don't lie. They measure what they are supposed to measure exactly. Kerr's career 3 pt % is better than Curry's but nobody considers him a better shooter than Curry.

Like i said before when evaluating a scorer you have to look at scoring rate and efficiency. Kerr had great efficiency but a low scoring rate so it isn't hard to figure out he was taking open catch and shoot looks. Didn't hurt that he played with Jordan collapsing the defense.

Not only does Curry score at a far higher rate than Rauf he shoots 8% better on 3s and 11% better on 2s. Curry is a light year better than Rauf as a shooter and as a scorer.

Both guys took a lot of jumpers off the dribble. Both guys had a quick release and great handles. One guy was an average shooter and one guy is the GOAT shooter.

If you combine Raufs style and Price's shooting accuracy then you would have a poor mans Curry. Curry is a unicorn, not really comparable to anyone. Not only is he the goat 3 pt shooter but he is also a very good finisher inside.

Just because Rauf's playing style reminds people of Curry doesnt make him a great shooter.

Now if we were talking about defense then statistics become less reliable. I have seen people quote drtg which is good for teams but useless for individual players. Blocks and steals might be a sign of good defense or they might be a sign of something else.

[tontoz]

Yeah, but some eras see lower ts% across the board.


Yeah because those eras didn't have as many good shooters.

Price was in the league before Rauf. If we take Raufs best shooting season (94/95), Price beats it every year except his first and last seasons. Reggie Miller, also older than Rauf, beat it in all 18 seasons.

[warriorfan]

Jerry Stackhouse is like Michael Jordan

Fat Lever is like Russell Westbrook

Anthony Mason is like LeBron James

:lol

[scuzzy]

I watched Mark Price play at Richfield Coliseum


He's the closest player to resembling Curry and by close I mean Steph is substantially far better

[Bronbron23]

Watching Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf is like watching Steph Curry in the 90s.

Here he is against the 72-win Bulls.

The resemblance is uncanny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLz1FrEUhQ

(Phil Jackson once made the comparison.)
I'm not a big fan of Steph and I really liked rauf but I've never seen anyone shoot the ball like Steph. He's the greatest shooter ever and it's not even a little bit close

[3ball]

Geez so we're going to "no one knows what he can do because that’s not how basketball was played" land. I'm not asking for direct number comparison. But the guy shot 1.7 attempts on 32%. That's not "like Curry".
Kblaze is 100% right

They didn't run high screen rolls back then - today's high screen roll and spread floor setup allows players to stand and wait for kickouts on every possession - it's easier to shoot threes by standing and waiting than running off screens like previous eras

essentially, today's high screen-roll, drive-and-kickout strategy yields a higher proportion of stand-and-wait threes than previous eras, which explains the higher efficiency, and these stand-and-wait threes are also more open - 89% of threes are taken with either 4-6 feet from closest defender ("open") or 6+ feet away ("wide open"), according to NBA.com's tracking data

Credit D'Antoni for coming up with this baseline strategy, and credit the Spurs/Warriors for adding sophistication to it by creating a system that diversified the options and ball movements.
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[tpols]

Kblaze is 100% right

They didn't run high screen rolls back then - today's high screen roll and spread floor setup allows players to stand and wait for kickouts on every possession - it's easier to shoot threes by standing and waiting than running off screens like previous eras

essentially, today's high screen-roll, drive-and-kickout strategy yields a higher proportion of stand-and-wait threes than previous eras, which explains the higher efficiency, and these stand-and-wait threes are also more open - 89% of threes are taken with either 4-6 feet from closest defender ("open") or 6+ feet away ("wide open"), according to NBA.com's tracking data

Credit D'Antoni for coming up with this baseline strategy, and credit the Spurs/Warriors for adding sophistication to it by creating a system that diversified the options and ball movements.
.


you mean chef's GOAT gravity right?

(and personal avalanche potential)

[bigkingsfan]

I'm not a big fan of Steph and I really liked rauf but I've never seen anyone shoot the ball like Steph. He's the greatest regular season shooter ever and it's not even a little bit close
...

[3ball]

you mean chef's GOAT gravity right?

(and personal avalanche potential)
No, I mean that the D'Antoni brand was an overly simple one (just a high-screen roll and spread floor) that couldn't reach championship level, whereas the Spurs/Warriors improved on this basic approach by removing much of the ball-dominance to become the best teams of the era

It's funny because even if Nash had team-hopped to get a third star like Lebron, so the overly simple, ball-dominant D'Antoni brand could win, it would just be once in a while.. Nash, Amare and say, Jimmy Butler would still invariably lose most Finals to some team with better ball movement like the Warriors or Spurs or 90's Bulls

[tpols]

No, I mean that the D'Antoni brand was an overly simple one (just a high-screen roll and spread floor) that couldn't reach championship level, whereas the Spurs/Warriors improved on this basic approach by removing much of the ball-dominance to become the best teams of the era

It's funny because even if Nash had team-hopped to get a third star like Lebron, so the overly simple, ball-dominant D'Antoni brand could win, it would just be once in a while.. Nash, Amare and say, Jimmy Butler would still invariably lose most Finals to some team with better ball movement like the Warriors or Spurs or 90's Bulls


Nash's teams were a hair away from beating peak spurs & kobe gasol laker teams and were a general western conference powerhouse... nash could shoot, was clutch, and made everybody better so i dont understand why you include him in lebron analogies.

[3ball]

Nash's teams were a hair away from beating peak spurs & kobe gasol laker teams and were a general western conference powerhouse... nash could shoot, was clutch, and made everybody better so i dont understand why you include him in lebron analogies.
Well I'm talking the Nash brand under D'Antoni - it was overly ball-dominant similar to Lebron or CP3, with similarly underwhelming results

You either run Nash/Lebron-ball-dominance, or you run the Spurs/Warriors system - you can't do both

But Nash was a great shooter, so he could fit seemlessly into the Warriors' system, while Lebron couldn't. The Warriors would probably end up running Lebron-ball if Lebron took Curry's place, and Lebron-ball doesn't win shit with just Klay/Dray as sidekicks imo

[DoctorP]

holy shit wtf happened in this thread

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[DoctorP]

Could actually post. Curry posting :roll: :roll:

But yes, movement style, how he comes off screens and releases the shot, very Curry like. The range however, that's where everything stops. Still Jax is right.


:rockon: yea, I see it too :rockon:

[DoctorP]

I watched Mark Price play at Richfield Coliseum


He's the closest player to resembling Curry and by close I mean Steph is substantially far better

hit me w some Mark Price highlights my juggalow

[Kblaze8855]

Shooting statistics don't lie. They measure what they are supposed to measure exactly.

The idea that you can perfectly evaluate the pure shooting ability of guys taking shots we don

[DoctorP]

The release of the point
of the shot was a pure trajectory. Curved.
It was a thrust that was unlike any a player had given her

slightly off center.

it hit the rim perfectly. right on the spot
over and over

this was Abdul Rauf

[tontoz]

The idea that you can perfectly evaluate the pure shooting ability of guys taking shots we don’t have in front of us to see by shooting percentages is totally indefensible. It’s trying so hard to be objective it loses all common sense.

Without seeing someone play and knowing the circumstances there is simply no way to know why shots did or did not go in 30 years ago. A guy could make every insane contested 19 footer he ever took....get all his layups blocked....and have terrible shooting numbers.

When you have nothing but numbers you don’t even have the basis for a conversation. I just remembered it was you telling me a while back that Isiah Thomas was a bad scorer due to TS percentage and I made an internal note to not bother in the future. Some people are too far into numbers to be reasoned with.

Decades of experience shooting on the highest level does in fact give someone an advantage evaluating shooting over someone who has nothing but division. Every single great shooter who saw him play ranks him as one of them because they have perspective that your simplistic view can’t account for. Substituting */* for the first hand evaluations of GOAT shooters is the worst kind of feigned expertise.

There’s a reason you still send a scout to see a player with his shooting numbers available. The paper tells you nothing about why any shot did or didn’t go in. Without that you might as well wipe your ass with it. Without context we aren’t even talking basketball. I like to talk basketball. It’s why I’m here.

I can talk division with my phone.



Once again pure nonsense. Just because players say that Rauf's style was similar to Curry doesn't make Rauf a great shooter. Rauf never had a season where he shot 40% from 3 or 50% on 2s. He wasn't a volume scorer either. He just wasn't that good from anywhere other than the foul line.


Isiah was a bad shooter from everywhere outside 3 feet. He shot only 76% from the foul line, 29% from 3, 47% on 2s. He was good at beating guys off the dribble, getting to the rim and finishing inside. If he had to take a jumper or a foul shot he just wasn't that good. Do you have some excuse as to why he could only shoot 76% from the foul line?

:facepalm

His ability to beat guys off the dribble is what made him a great player. After he beat his man it forced the defense to rotate to prevent him from scoring at the rim. That set up easy shots for other guys. But that is a separate discussion from his ability (or lack thereof) as a shooter.

[tontoz]

I watched Mark Price play at Richfield Coliseum


He's the closest player to resembling Curry and by close I mean Steph is substantially far better


It is hard to describe just how great Steph is as a shooter when comparing him to other players.

Using a tier structure...

Tier 1 - Steph

Tier 2 - nobody

Tier 3 - Price/Reggie/Nash/ Ray/ Dirk...

That is the best i can do.

[Hey Yo]

It is hard to describe just how great Steph is as a shooter when comparing him to other players.

Using a tier structure...

Tier 1 - Steph

Tier 2 - nobody

Tier 3 - Price/Reggie/Nash/ Ray/ Dirk...

That is the best i can do.
He's quite easy to describe . He's the best 3pt shooter ever.

From 11-12ft to the 3pt line, Steph barely takes those shots. So to say he's an all around better shooter than those you listed above is quite funny..... especially Dirk.

If your team is down by one, you going to go to Steph for a 3pt shot? Cause you know he barely shoots mid-range. You know the rim will be protected greatly in that situation, so rule that out. Or you going to go with Dirk who can hit from anywhere inside the arc with consistency??

It's a pretty easy decision on who to take.

[Jasper]

Watching Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf is like watching Steph Curry in the 90s.

Here he is against the 72-win Bulls.

The resemblance is uncanny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WLz1FrEUhQ

(Phil Jackson once made the comparison.)
not even close Mahmoud has a high release point which is text book /
Curry hero baller has a release point in front of his face.
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[Jasper]

Once again pure nonsense. Just because players say that Rauf's style was similar to Curry doesn't make Rauf a great shooter. Rauf never had a season where he shot 40% from 3 or 50% on 2s. He wasn't a volume scorer either. He just wasn't that good from anywhere other than the foul line.


Isiah was a bad shooter from everywhere outside 3 feet. He shot only 76% from the foul line, 29% from 3, 47% on 2s. He was good at beating guys off the dribble, getting to the rim and finishing inside. If he had to take a jumper or a foul shot he just wasn't that good. Do you have some excuse as to why he could only shoot 76% from the foul line?

:facepalm

His ability to beat guys off the dribble is what made him a great player. After he beat his man it forced the defense to rotate to prevent him from scoring at the rim. That set up easy shots for other guys. But that is a separate discussion from his ability (or lack thereof) as a shooter.

granted OP referenced 2 players in 2 different era's / but your taking it to a different level talking about Zeke / like he was below average.
Last time I looked he was top 50 players in history of the league when they started that crap. Besides isn't he in the hall :confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

Tontoz displaying a very high iq

[Kblaze8855]

As I recall it came from an argument about Thomas and Stockton when his general point was due to shooting percentages Isiah Thomas was not a good scorer at which point every single person who watched basketball at the time, every coach who ever lived, and the entire pool of nba players from the era had their eyes roll in unison. He

[warriorfan]

Lamar Odom is like Magic Johnson

Tyrus Thomas is like Bill Russell

[tontoz]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]As I recall it came from an argument about Thomas and Stockton when his general point was due to shooting percentages Isiah Thomas was not a good scorer at which point every single person who watched basketball at the time, every coach who ever lived, and the entire pool of nba players from the era had their eyes roll in unison. He

[tontoz]

granted OP referenced 2 players in 2 different era's / but your taking it to a different level talking about Zeke / like he was below average.
Last time I looked he was top 50 players in history of the league when they started that crap. Besides isn't he in the hall :confusedshrug:


Yes he is in the Hall. That doesn't make him a good shooter.

Bob Cousy shot 37.5% from the field for his career and he is in the Hall.

[tpols]

I have plenty of discussions that don't involve shooting. However TS is the primary factor that determines which team wins the game. If Team A has a higher TS than Team B, the only way for Team B to with the game is the get more possessions (more rebounds, fewer turnovers and fouls).

Some people fall back on the eye test when the facts don't match their opinions. The scoreboard doesn't care what a player looks like when he shoots. It only cares whether or not the ball goes in.


youre ignoring timing and context in your end all be all reliance on %'s.

kblaze right explanation of dynamics is more important than these stiff, overly literal, autistic takes.

[tpols]

Lamar Odom is like Magic Johnson

Tyrus Thomas is like Bill Russell


:roll:

[tontoz]

For the record Chris Mullin made over 800 3s in his career shooting 38.4%

[tontoz]

youre ignoring timing and context in your end all be all reliance on %'s.

kblaze right explanation of dynamics is more important than these stiff, overly literal, autistic takes.


Context? What context? There was less emphasis on 3s back in the 80s and 90s but there were still plenty of guys shooting them well.

Stephs father Dell was a career 40% shooter from 3, taking almost 5 3s per 36 minutes, and he is older than Rauf.

Do you think the scoreboard cares about "dynamics"? :lol