Westbrook a bad fit in Houston

[DoctorP]

It's preseason but I can already tell. Westbrook is having a hard time not dominating the ball. He is picking his spots but is relegated to being just another guard that ISOs from time to time. His stats are going to dip hard this year. He may get worse stats than Eric Gordon because at least Gordon can hit 3s consistently.

This is the end of Westbrook, guys and gals.

[superduper]

It won't be the same Westbrook. If he absolutely accepts and perfectly executes his role of being strictly an INTANGIBLE player (which he can be absolutely elite at) with his dominant rebounding/playmaking/getting into the passing lanes/hustle and keeping his offense strictly to free line drive layups when the spacing permits it, then he will be one of the best in the league.

Will it happen? Let's see.

[tpols]

Westbrook a bad fit


fixed.

[Ainosterhaspie]

They really need Harden to play off Westbrook and space for him. Westbrook isn't a shooting threat so he doesn't space when he's off ball. Harden actually is a threat from deep so it makes more sense for him to play off ball more.

[tpols]

They really need Harden to play off Westbrook and space for him. Westbrook isn't a shooting threat so he doesn't space when he's off ball. Harden actually is a threat from deep so it makes more sense for him to play off ball more.


so then you cripple harden... his best strength is on ball as well.

its gonna be an ugly your turn, my turn offense.

[Ainosterhaspie]

so then you cripple harden... his best strength is on ball as well.

its gonna be an ugly your turn, my turn offense.
He and Westbrook are about even in creating for others. Harden is a vastly better scorer. He may not like the ball not being in his hands, but he has the tools to be useful in that situation. Westbrook doesn't. The fit is bad, but I think you have less wasted talent if Westbrook has the ball more. Westbrook without the ball is useless. Harden isn't.

[90sgoat]

Stack them as much as possible.

One on, one off.

Could be deadly.

Westbrook needs to accept Harden taking over in the 4th though.

[sdot_thadon]

He's not the best fit but the overall talent level between the 2 should offset some of that, going to take some time to gel.......

[Prometheus]

People forget/ignore this fact because he has been solely focused on offense for years now: Westbrook has the capacity to be a dominant defender. Hopefully he can realize that potential now.

I also like the ability for Houston to curb both guys' minutes and keep them fresh for the playoffs.

And as others have stated, when they are on the floor together, Westbrook should be on-ball more because he offers inferior spacing.

I actually think they will be scary.

[LoneyROY7]

Couldn't disagree more.

Russ not dominating the ball is going to allow him to maximize the potential of the other areas if his game. I started to see flashes of it in the final preseason game.

Once him and James are fully in-sync, they're gonna be an absolute nightmare.

[BarberSchool]

The very sad truith is he is a bad fit on any winning team. His game of low-IQ, low-efficiency athleticism doesn't win in the post season against highly efficient teams.
Russ is what he is. A track star.

[LoneyROY7]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Harden and Dwert
Harden and Fall
Harden and Jelo
Harden and Westbrick
Next season: Harden and Cousins


The Houston Rockets: [I]Because THIS time it

[FultzNationRISE]

Couldn't disagree more.

Russ not dominating the ball is going to allow him to maximize the potential of the other areas if his game. I started to see flashes of it in the final preseason game.

Once him and James are fully in-sync, they're gonna be an absolute nightmare.

Harden and Dwert
Harden and Fall
Harden and Marshmelo
Harden and Westbrick
Next season: Harden and Boogie


The Houston Rockets: [I]Because THIS time it

[FultzNationRISE]

Damn, and Harden STILL keeps putting the team on his back and carrying them to the postseason despite the deficiencies and shortcomings of all the players you listed. :eek: :eek:


Okay. :confusedshrug:


You can see it as half full or half empty or however you want.


But it

[Kiddlovesnets]

Westbrook is a bad fit anywhere he plays, there

[imdaman99]

He's not as good as he was 3-4 years ago. He has some work to do, I'm confident he will adapt his game around his buddy Harden. They will make it work. Still feels weird seeing him in a red jersey but it is what it is.

[brooks_thompson]

Some guys just don

[Jay-B]

He

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Couldn't disagree more.

Russ not dominating the ball is going to allow him to maximize the potential of the other areas if his game. I started to see flashes of it in the final preseason game.

Once him and James are fully in-sync, they're gonna be an absolute nightmare.

Not happening babyboi. Gordon is gonna have a much better season than Chuckbrick and Houston fans are gonna be crying about the difference in their minutes and want Chuckbrick to just play with the bench

[PeroAntic]

Going from the biggest statwhore in the league to doing what the team needs is not gonna go well for Westbrick. Being a statwhore made his self image of a star, take that away from him and what is his identity and accordingly his role as a player? He will get his stats and get the team nowhere as usual.

As some one said, getting Harden off the ball would alleviate some of the incompatibility, but then his ego gets in the way, its on Westbrick to adapt not on him, hes the main star and #1 option, so thats not gonna happen either.

[sdot_thadon]

They both have to adapt to each other and make it work, otherwise why ask for this team or to trade for Russ in the 1st place? These guys aren't idiots and they've played together previously, I have faith they will figure it out after a few rough spots.

[bobopenguin]

harden just needs to get 30 ft/g then it's all good.

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=Kiddlovesnets]Westbrook is a bad fit anywhere he plays, there

[3ball]

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Why can't Westbrook or Harden just slash off-ball like this?


https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-02-2015/9VPzJD.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-22-2015/xiXAYg.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/s9dxI7.gif



Or score without ball-dominance or extended live dribble like this:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-09-2019/VPKdjt.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-28-2015/296C64.gif



If Westbrook or Harden could score like this, then he'd fit like a glove with each other.

But why do today's players suck so bad that they must either play completely ball-dominant or completely catch-and-shoot? what about all the in-between stuff?... you know, basketball??... :kobe:

[DoctorP]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Harden and Dwert
Harden and Fall
Harden and Marshmelo
Harden and Westbrick
Next season: Harden and Boogie


The Houston Rockets: [I]Because THIS time it

[LoneyROY7]

Hey 3ball, you f*cking dweeb, they did it last game.

https://media.giphy.com/media/f9q9P1QGrFTOx0A6C3/giphy.gif

[3ball]

Hey 3ball, you f*cking dweeb, they did it last game.

https://media.giphy.com/media/f9q9P1QGrFTOx0A6C3/giphy.gif
^^^ that's transition

harden and wesbrick can't score quickly like MJ in the halfcourt.. you're dreaming

they're both either live-dribble ball-dominators, or harden can catch-and-shoot

neither has the footwork or repertoire to slash off-ball or score quickly without extended live dribbles.. they infact suck compared to previous era players

[LoneyROY7]

^^^ that's transition

harden and wesbrick can't score quickly like MJ in the halfcourt.. you're dreaming

they're both either live-dribble ball-dominators, or harden can catch-and-shoot

neither has the footwork or repertoire to slash off-ball or score quickly without extended live dribbles.. they infact suck compared to previous era players

They don't have the footwork to slash off-ball?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Jesus, you're a f*cking moron.

[LoneyROY7]

"hArDen dOeSn'T hAVe tHe FoOtWoRK tO SlAsh OFf bAlL."

https://media.giphy.com/media/h6xoHHiiCjli7rvd8l/giphy.gif

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Hey 3ball, you're a loser, no one gives a shit about the 90s anymore.

[Turbo Slayer]

"hArDen dOeSn'T hAVe tHe FoOtWoRK tO SlAsh OFf bAlL."

https://media.giphy.com/media/h6xoHHiiCjli7rvd8l/giphy.gif

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Hey 3ball, you're a loser, no one gives a shit about the 90s anymore.
:roll:

[LoneyROY7]

Oh hey, here's another clip of Harden slashing off-ball...this time for a floater instead of a lay-up.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieIv6Q5TGJEhG6POP1/giphy.gif

3ball you don't understand current basketball, it's beyond your comprehension. Stick your grainy VHS tapes.

[Turbo Slayer]

Oh hey, here's another clip of Harden slashing off-ball...this time for a floater instead of a lay-up.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieIv6Q5TGJEhG6POP1/giphy.gif

3ball you don't understand current basketball, it's beyond your comprehension. Stick your grainy VHS tapes.

Oh my gawd!!!

LoneyROY7 is destroying 3ball. Im 14 yrs old and I can comprehend. You are goated sir. :bowdown:

[TommyGriffin]

Oh hey, here's another clip of Harden slashing off-ball...this time for a floater instead of a lay-up.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieIv6Q5TGJEhG6POP1/giphy.gif

3ball you don't understand current basketball, it's beyond your comprehension. Stick your grainy VHS tapes.

Geez. What a quick move.

[3ball]

They don't have the footwork to slash off-ball?

Jesus, you're a f*cking moron.


No, they don't

And if they did, no one would be saying they're a bad fit

Today's players suck without that live dribble - they don't have good triple-threat footwork or footwork on the catch.. Nor do they have good moves or shot-making without a live dribble





They don't have the footwork to slash off-ball?



They don't have the off-ball play-finishing ability, like a great drop-step:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/Kxoq9J.gif



Show me Westbrook or Harden with this kind of footwork on the catch:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-18-2019/KDrt5G.gif



Show me where Westbrook or Harden have this kind of post footwork:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-31-2019/66KkVF.gif

[LoneyROY7]

I post two gifs of Harden perfectly slashing off-ball, 3-ball starts talking about post footwork.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Can't make this shit up. What a f*cking retard.

[LoneyROY7]

This moron really just said Harden doesn't have good triple threat footwork. :oldlol: :oldlol:

He literally has the best triple-threat footwork in the league.

https://media.giphy.com/media/W3TWSbeQmYxjmosonG/giphy.gif

Just another gif to make you look dumb as hell.

[Turbo Slayer]

This moron really just said Harden doesn't have good triple threat footwork. :oldlol: :oldlol:

He literally has the best triple-threat footwork in the league.

https://media.giphy.com/media/W3TWSbeQmYxjmosonG/giphy.gif

Just another gif to make you look dumb as hell.

Harden with the move! :cheers:

Shake and bake! :rockon:

[3ball]

I post two gifs of Harden perfectly slashing off-ball, 3-ball starts talking about post footwork.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Can't make this shit up. What a f*cking retard.
Harden was the biggest ball-dominator in history in 2019 and isn't good off-ball, which is why everyone says Harden and Westbrook don't fit.. One gif doesn't change that, and Harden didn't act quickly on the catch in that gif - he was still ball-dominant in that gif

He isn't good at scoring quickly off the catch with a great drop-step, great catch-and-shoot move, or other play-finishing move like the gifs I showed - that requires superior footwork and refinement that Harden's playground-style, ball-dominant skillset doesn't have.

And the stats show that Harden dribbled and held the ball longer than anyone ever has in the regular season - if he had an off-ball skillset, then everyone would be saying he fits great with Westbrook - but he obviously doesn't and is just a playground-style, ball-dominator, just like Westbrick.

btw, your gif was literally Harden's best highlight of the entire season despite it being a weak move - he simply dribbled left out of the triple-threat with a weak jab step that wouldn't work if he was being hand-checked.. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

It's also hilarious that you think your gifs compare to the ones I posted of MJ

What a joke - you know nothing Loney

[LoneyROY7]

One gif doesn't change that, and Harden didn't act quickly on the catch in that gif - he was still ball-dominant in that gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieIv6Q5TGJEhG6POP1/giphy.gif

Yeah, he only blows right past his guy off the catch, who was giving him 5 feet of cushion. Didn't act quickly off the catch at all. :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're literally the biggest retard on this site. STFU.

[Turbo Slayer]

:roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieIv6Q5TGJEhG6POP1/giphy.gif

Yeah, he only blows right past his guy off the catch, who started guarding him at the FT line. Didn't act quickly off the catch at all. :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're literally the biggest retard on this site. STFU. :applause:

[3ball]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieIv6Q5TGJEhG6POP1/giphy.gif

Yeah, he only blows right past his guy off the catch, who was giving him 5 feet of cushion. Didn't act quickly off the catch at all. :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're literally the biggest retard on this site. STFU.
Harden was the biggest ball-dominator in history and isn't good off-ball - so why are you showing one-offs of weak moves that clearly show he rarely plays off-ball?

Are you trying to say Harden is good off-ball and plays off-ball a lot?... It's common knowledge that he ISN'T these things, so why are you trying to pretend that he is?.. Your gifs show weak moves and tentativeness off-ball, which confirms the common knowledge reality that Harden doesn't play off-ball and isn't good at it.

The stats show that Harden dribbled and held the ball longer than anyone ever has in the regular season - and if he had an off-ball skillset, then everyone would be saying he fits great with Westbrook - but he obviously doesn't and is just a playground-style, ball-dominator, just like Westbrick.

Again - you think Harden's gifs compare to the ones I posted of MJ??... the massive difference makes my point that Harden can't play off-ball, and clearly does so very rarely (those off-ball gifs of Harden were trash moves, and show he doesn't play off-ball)

[LoneyROY7]

3ball can't refute the evidence right in his face, so he just keeps regurgitating the same bullshit. :oldlol: :oldlol:

It's okay old man, you'll always have your VHS and grainy youtube clips.

[3ball]

3ball can't refute the evidence right in his face, so he just keeps regurgitating the same bullshit. :oldlol: :oldlol:

It's okay old man, you'll always have your VHS and grainy youtube clips.
You're avoiding my questions - Harden isn't good off-ball and doesn't play off-ball - stop trying to use one-off gifs of weak moves to say otherwise

Harden was the biggest ball-dominator in history and isn't good off-ball - so why are you showing one-offs of weak moves that clearly show he rarely plays off-ball?

Are you trying to say Harden is good off-ball and plays off-ball a lot?... It's common knowledge that he ISN'T these things, so why are you trying to pretend that he is?.. Your gifs show weak moves and tentativeness off-ball, which confirms the common knowledge reality that Harden doesn't play off-ball and isn't good at it.

The stats show that Harden dribbled and held the ball longer than anyone ever has in the regular season - and if he had an off-ball skillset, then everyone would be saying he fits great with Westbrook - but he obviously doesn't and is just a playground-style, ball-dominator, just like Westbrick.

Again - you think Harden's gifs compare to the ones I posted of MJ??... the massive difference makes my point that Harden can't play off-ball, and clearly does so very rarely (those off-ball gifs of Harden were trash moves, and show he doesn't play off-ball)

[LoneyROY7]

There he goes reposting the EXACT same shit. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You said Harden didn't have the footwork to slash off-ball. You've been unequivocally proven wrong like the retard you are.

Sorry, old man.

[3ball]

There he goes reposting the EXACT same shit. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You said Harden didn't have the footwork to slash off-ball. You've been unequivocally proven wrong like the retard you are.

Sorry, old man.
Your gifs didn't show any footwork except a very weak and undeveloped jab step.

A beginning basketball player has the same footwork you showed in those gifs..

your gifs are one-offs that show a guy who can't play well off-ball.. they don't show the footwork that I posted..

if harden could play off-ball, then the whole world wouldn't be saying he doesn't fit with westbrook.. but carry on with your denial son

[hiphopanonymous]

Oh hey, here's another clip of Harden slashing off-ball...this time for a floater instead of a lay-up.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ieIv6Q5TGJEhG6POP1/giphy.gif

3ball you don't understand current basketball, it's beyond your comprehension. Stick your grainy VHS tapes.
So, think what you want about 3ball but technically that was a spot-up drive which you could call a slash sure, but I think 3ball was more looking for off-ball cutting action, which means Harden catches it on the go already working his way into the hoop - not just from a stand-still. Or I could be wrong on this? What's your take on that assuming that's what he meant? (I don't watch Harden/Westbrook under a microscpe I'm sure they can do that type of play, but how often are they comfortable with it? MJ slashed on spot ups and cut in traffic off the ball fairly often)

[LoneyROY7]

There's a huge difference between a capability to do something and a desire to do something.

You wouldn't get that because you're too busy tugging off to your MJ posters. Carry on though, bud.

[hiphopanonymous]

There's a huge difference between a capability to do something and a desire to do something.

You wouldn't get that because you're too busy tugging off to your MJ posters. Carry on though, bud.
I get that, I don't have MJ posters my question wasn't a fanboy pissing contest lol I was asking objectively

[Turbo Slayer]

I get that, I don't have MJ posters my question wasn't a fanboy pissing contest lol I was asking objectively
Love your name and avatar LMAO :roll:

[LoneyROY7]

I get that, I don't have MJ posters my question wasn't a fanboy pissing contest lol I was asking objectively

C'mon, you HAD to know I wasn't responding to you there. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[3ball]

.
Let's compare some non-live-dribble skills - first up - JAB STEP


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/cxLte6.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/02jy9L.gif



https://media.giphy.com/media/W3TWSbeQmYxjmosonG/giphy.gif


Harden's is clearly beginner-level and only worked against a non-athlete, without a hand-check, and with a wide open paint

[hiphopanonymous]

C'mon, you HAD to know I wasn't responding to you there. :oldlol: :oldlol:
My bad - I haven't posted for a while :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

.
Let's compare some non-live-dribble skills - first up - JAB STEP


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/cxLte6.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/02jy9L.gif



https://media.giphy.com/media/W3TWSbeQmYxjmosonG/giphy.gif


Harden's is clearly beginner-level and only worked against a non-athlete, without a hand-check, and with a wide open paint

Lonzo Ball is a non-athlete?

Javale McGee contesting, gets dunked on is a wide-open paint?

Why do you insist on making yourself look SO DAMN STUPID? :oldlol: :oldlol:

[LoneyROY7]

Harden's a jab-step beginner?

https://media.giphy.com/media/kEWV01k4FShLEXQybL/giphy.gif

Jab-stepping his defender out of his shoes before the blow-by lay-in. :lol :lol

[3ball]

Lonzo Ball is a non-athlete?

Javale McGee contesting, gets dunked on is a wide-open paint?

Why do you insist on making yourself look SO DAMN STUPID? :oldlol: :oldlol:


lonzo isn't an elite athlete

and yes, the paint is wide open - McGee isn't waiting under the rim like previous eras - he must come over to contest and is late

today's paint is always wide open as defenders must come from outside the paint or the edge of the paint to contest at the rim.. your gif shows that clearly

Regardless, Harden doesn't play off-ball or have any of the skills I posted earlier - show him doing a drop step - :roll: - lol, what a joke today's players are

[3ball]

Harden's a jab-step beginner?

https://media.giphy.com/media/kEWV01k4FShLEXQybL/giphy.gif

Jab-stepping his defender out of his shoes before the blow-by lay-in. :lol :lol
that's a jab step off a live dribble dumbass

damn you dumb as shit

[LoneyROY7]

that's a jab step off a live dribble dumbass

damn you dumb as shit

:roll: :roll: :roll:

So MJ didn't have a live-dribble in the two gifs you JUST POSTED?

STFU YOU DUMB MOTHERF*CKER.

[TommyGriffin]

that's a jab step off a live dribble dumbass

damn you dumb as shit

What's the point of a jab-step without a live dribble? Are you that stupid? Jesus.

[hiphopanonymous]

So a while back 3ball posted some clips of himself playing and listed some credentials - which based on looking at him play seemed plausible. I think he isn't stupid and actually knows the game very well. And I'll assume a lot of the rest of you do too. But I feel like years (heck even a few weeks) of ISH culture can turn any discussion of basketball into a pissing contest

Can I call time out for a second and pretend each party here is making somewhat of a point (MJ was great at cutting/slashing off ball, and Westbrook and Harden for whatever reason, do it a lot less) and actually ask for some objective input?

My question is WHY. Do we think it's rules of the game? Culture of the modern game? Or both? For example, players space the floor a lot farther out today due to a combo of rules and that it's the flavor of the era. Does that make cutting off ball into traffic a slightly less than ideal play in the modern playbook? Or could it also be that it's just a Jordan speciality? He did have elite physical gifts, his agility was amazing though I guess Westbrook at least should be able to duplicate that kind of cutting and whatnot. I'm just hoping for a more satisfying answer or theory than "modern players suck at it" - surely at the tenure level of Harden and Westbrook at this juncture of their careers it's beyond that they suck, everything they do has got to have been deliberately practiced at this point and most everything they don't practice has had to have been omitted on purpose right? Or am I wrong? Curious about your guys thoughts on that

[Turbo Slayer]

Hey bitch - if I catch you or anyone else from this loser ass board following me, I will beat you down in self defense. You will be in the hospital if I catch you following me as anyone that is following me I will deem a threat to my health

I've already filed police reports against your screen name and others I suspect. Im also getting restraining orders to ban the screen name from playing on the site where you outed yourself as my stalker

Don't let me catch you, you tiny tiny man. You'll be even tinier when I get done with you

:biggums:

[LoneyROY7]

Guys, can we just sit and marinate on the fact that 3ball thinks non-live dribble jab-steps are a thing.

Non-live dribble jab-steps. Let that sink in. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

So a while back 3ball posted some clips of himself playing and listed some credentials - which based on looking at him play seemed plausible. I think he isn't stupid and actually knows the game very well. And I'll assume a lot of the rest of you do too. But I feel like years (heck even a few weeks) of ISH culture can turn any discussion of basketball into a pissing contest

Can I call time out for a second and pretend each party here is making somewhat of a point (MJ was great at cutting/slashing off ball, and Westbrook and Harden for whatever reason, do it a lot less) and actually ask for some objective input?

My question is WHY. Do we think it's rules of the game? Culture of the modern game? Or both? For example, players space the floor a lot farther out today due to a combo of rules and that it's the flavor of the era. Does that make cutting off ball into traffic a slightly less than ideal play in the modern playbook? Or could it also be that it's just a Jordan speciality? He did have elite physical gifts, his agility was amazing though I guess Westbrook at least should be able to duplicate that kind of cutting and whatnot. I'm just hoping for a more satisfying answer or theory than "modern players suck at it" - surely at the tenure level of Harden and Westbrook at this juncture of their careers it's beyond that they suck, everything they do has got to have been deliberately practiced at this point and most everything they don't practice has had to have been omitted on purpose right? Or am I wrong? Curious about your guys thoughts on that good post hippo. :applause:

[hold this L]

He and Westbrook are about even in creating for others. Harden is a vastly better scorer. He may not like the ball not being in his hands, but he has the tools to be useful in that situation. Westbrook doesn't. The fit is bad, but I think you have less wasted talent if Westbrook has the ball more. Westbrook without the ball is useless. Harden isn't.
Harden is one of the laziest players in the entire NBA off the ball. Expecting him to be effective all of the sudden is a pipe dream. WB needs to adapt to Harden if he accepts a pure B-tier role.

[3ball]

Guys, can we just sit and marinate on the fact that 3ball thinks non-live dribble jab-steps are a thing.

Non-live dribble jab-steps. Let that sink in.





What's the point of a jab-step without a live dribble? Are you that stupid? Jesus.



you guys obviously never picked up a ball in your life - wtf is this dumbass:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/02jy9L.gif


damn y'all dumb as shit

[hiphopanonymous]

Harden is one of the laziest players in the entire NBA off the ball. Expecting him to be effective all of the sudden is a pipe dream. WB needs to adapt to Harden if he accepts a pure B-tier role.
I feel like both he and Westbrook are used to basically playing that on-ball point guard roll and yes one of them or both of them will have to give it up a significant amount of possessions. My guess is Westbrook since he's the "new" guy now on an established Harden team.

If you played on ball in the NBA for 10 years would you want to suddenly give the ball up? Neither would probably do it willingly or gracefully.

Devils advocate here but perhaps Harden is so lazy off the ball because that's when he chooses to rest on the offensive end? It's impossible to be active every play and as the teams dominant ball handler wouldn't slashing and cutting on the very few possessions you don't actually have the ball mean you basically never get to rest? Of all the things Harden is, we know he isn't some athletic freak of endurance, so my guess is that's when he rests.

On the wrong team that kind of lack of movement would be irritating but since it's his team his teammates probably are glad to see him sit at the top of the 3 point line like a statue every once in a while as it means they'll get to do some creating themselves.

Westbrook has body to make for an excellent slasher, but can he or will he do it? He's years out of practice playing a lion share of possessions off ball I'm curious how he'll fit

[hiphopanonymous]

One more food for thought;

Maybe MJ was such an excellent slasher off the ball because his giant mitts enable him to catch just about anything, regardless of traffic?

Westbrook and Harden do not have MJ's mitts, maybe they actually have stone hands when the ball isn't being dribbled or brought to their hands unchallenged? I've no clue, I don't watch them under a microscope so input is appreciated.

[3ball]

Harden is one of the laziest players in the entire NBA off the ball. Expecting him to be effective all of the sudden is a pipe dream. WB needs to adapt to Harden if he accepts a pure B-tier role.


^^^ very true

Harden has ZERO drop-step ability, which is important as a play-finisher


He also has zero post game or any off-ball skills other than a straight, catch-and-shoot





WB needs to adapt to Harden if he accepts a pure B-tier role.



Otoh, Westbrook can finish off-ball better because he is a great drop-stepper, although he can't do MJ-level drop-steps... :oldlol:


https://media.giphy.com/media/m7CUuwpcpJR9m/giphy.gif



Compare to Jordan:


https://media.giphy.com/media/ZbjfFF4glBRv2/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/752NfnFd3Yz8k/giphy.gif

[DoctorP]

you guys obviously never picked up a ball in your life - wtf is this dumbass:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/02jy9L.gif


damn y'all dumb as shit


:lol

[LoneyROY7]

you guys obviously never picked up a ball in your life - wtf is this dumbass:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/02jy9L.gif


damn y'all dumb as shit

Holy sh*t you're actually mentally handicapped.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

MJ has a live-dribble. He's dribbling the ball. :roll:

[LoneyROY7]

Am I missing something? Is 3ball actually this stupid?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DoctorP]

a failure to communicate

[hiphopanonymous]

My guess is you guys are disagreeing based off something as minor as semantics... as I truly believe 3ball has a legitimate playing history and IMO appears to know nuances of the game, as do many of you. So my guess is this is some semantics thing.

Some of these points still stand - hoping we can steer back to some actual discussion as I have some actual curiosities about this topic :oldlol:

[Turbo Slayer]

How can Westbrook replace Chris Paul? :confusedshrug:

[DoctorP]

My guess is you guys are disagreeing based off something as minor as semantics... as I truly believe 3ball has a legitimate playing history and IMO appears to know nuances of the game, as do many of you. So my guess is this is some semantics thing.

Some of these points still stand - hoping we can steer back to some actual discussion as I have some actual curiosities about this topic :oldlol:

its not semantics it's a lack of consistency in language and definition. two nerds talking in 2 different languages thinking their talking the same language. someone may be right but who cares

[DoctorP]

How can Westbrook replace Chris Paul? :confusedshrug:

they are replacing a bball genius with a bball mike tyson. good luck rockets :lol

(another wasted year :lol)

https://media.giphy.com/media/kYsBThMhhalLG/giphy.gif
https://data.whicdn.com/images/334628542/original.gif

[LoneyROY7]

Non-live dribble jab-steps DON'T EXIST.

You jab-step off the catch, WITH A LIVE DRIBBLE, because the defense is concerned about your potential to drive the ball.

Literally elementary basketball.

[Turbo Slayer]

they are replacing a bball genius with a bball mike tyson. good luck rockets :lol

(another wasted year :lol)

https://media.giphy.com/media/kYsBThMhhalLG/giphy.gif
https://data.whicdn.com/images/334628542/original.gif
:roll: I feel like westbrook gonna make the team worse. He's a known statpadder.

[3ball]

Non-live dribble jab-steps DON'T EXIST.

You jab-step off the catch, WITH A LIVE DRIBBLE, because the defense is concerned about your potential to drive the ball.

Literally elementary basketball.
No, you can jab step before dribbling like the gifs I showed and it's one of the most basic, fundamental moves that you learn in junior high..

the coach has you stand there and you practice jab stepping with the ball in your hands (not dribbling)

But you obviously never played and are sounding like a fool right now

[DoctorP]

:roll: I feel like westbrook gonna make the team worse. He's a known statpadder.

he's good but he needs the ball in his hands, this is going to be like wades first year w lebron, but worse.

good luck, though!

i could be wrong, anything can happen

[DoctorP]

No, you can jab step before dribbling like the gifs I showed and it's one of the most basic, fundamental moves that you learn in junior high..

the coach has you stand there and you practice jab stepping with the ball in your hands (not dribbling)

But you obviously never played and are sounding like a fool right now

he calls that a live dribble, 3ball. you think it's not live for whatever reason.

:lol

[LoneyROY7]

No, you can jab step before dribbling like the gifs I showed and it's one of the most basic, fundamental moves that you learn in junior high..

HOLY.

SHIT.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

When else would you jab-step, you f*cking moron? In the middle of dribbling?

You might be he biggest retard I've ever encountered.

[DoctorP]

HOLY.

SHIT.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

When else would you jab-step, you f*cking moron? In the middle of dribbling?

You might be he biggest retard I've ever encountered.

:lol

[3ball]

Holy sh*t you're actually mentally handicapped.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

MJ has a live-dribble. He's dribbling the ball. :roll:
He jab steps BEFORE dribbling, jfc

It's a way to juke your defender before ever dribbling and MJ was goat at it, as the gifs show

[Turbo Slayer]

Westbrook shoots 29 percent from 3 and his FT percent is 65.6 for the 2018-19 season. :wtf:
Chris Paul is reliable, shooting 36 percent from 3 and 86 percent from FT line. :oldlol:

The rockets shoulda kept paul. More reliable shooter.

[LoneyROY7]

he calls that a live dribble, 3ball. you think it's not live for whatever reason.

:lol

You clearly missed the argument.

3ball said this gif was a "live-dribble jab-step".

https://media.giphy.com/media/kEWV01k4FShLEXQybL/giphy.gif

Whereas the gif he posted of MJ was not.

Like holy sh*t, how dumb can you be?

[LoneyROY7]

He jab steps BEFORE dribbling, jfc

It's a way to juke your defender before ever dribbling and MJ was goat at it, as the gifs show

You can ONLY jab-step before dribbling.

HOW. STUPID. ARE. YOU.

[DoctorP]

He jab steps BEFORE dribbling, jfc

It's a way to juke your defender before ever dribbling and MJ was goat at it, as the gifs show

he calls that a live dribble cause there are still steps that can be taken after the jab step. and he is right :roll:

[DoctorP]

Westbrook shoots 29 percent from 3 and his FT percent is 65.6 for the 2018-19 season. :wtf:
Chris Paul is reliable, shooting 36 percent from 3 and 86 percent from FT line. :oldlol:

The rockets shoulda kept paul. More reliable shooter.

yea but hes an asshole that made fun of hardens gayness or nipples or something. hardens the man on the team so that wasnt gonna fly

[LoneyROY7]

This might be the greatest expose 3ball thread ever.

This guy doesn't understand simple basketball.

[Turbo Slayer]

he's good but he needs the ball in his hands, this is going to be like wades first year w lebron, but worse.

good luck, though!

i could be wrong, anything can happen
Yeah agreed. It gonna be ugly taking turns being the ''man''. Yikes.

[DoctorP]

This might be the greatest expose 3ball thread ever.

This guy doesn't understand simple basketball.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/2XskdWz9y363OIIeLPq/giphy.gif

[Turbo Slayer]

yea but hes an asshole that made fun of hardens gayness or nipples or something. hardens the man on the team so that wasnt gonna fly
:(

I thought Harden and Chris Paul had great chemistry. They were featured in many State Farm commercials. :confusedshrug:

Damn shame. :facepalm

[LoneyROY7]

"nOn-LiVe dRIBBle JaB-STePs"

Presented to you by ISH's resident senial retard...3BALL!!!!!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[DoctorP]

Yeah agreed. It gonna be ugly taking turns being the ''man''. Yikes.


:lol

[hiphopanonymous]

its not semantics it's a lack of consistency in language and definition. two nerds talking in 2 different languages thinking their talking the same language. someone may be right but who cares
Doctor P you play as well right? Saw your post in the streetball forum

Regardless of what they're arguing about correct me if I'm wrong, a live dribble just means the dribble hasn't been used up yet? Both offensive players had all their options. So the way I was viewing both the MJ and the Harden gifs in question was that both of them were live dribble situations yes? Both looked to be about the same scenario with only minor differences to me, both were trying to use a jab. MJ used a jab a fraction of a second sooner than Harden did which is why I think 3ball considered it different but technically speaking - both were live dribble situation drives I thought correct?

[LoneyROY7]

Doctor P you play as well right? Saw your post in the streetball forum

Regardless of what they're arguing about correct me if I'm wrong, a live dribble just means the dribble hasn't been used up yet? Both offensive players had all their options. So the way I was viewing both the MJ and the Harden gifs in question was that both of them were live dribble situations yes? Both looked to be about the same scenario with only minor differences to me, both were trying to use a jab. MJ used a jab a fraction of a second sooner than Harden did which is why I think 3ball considered it different but technically speaking - both were live dribble situation drives I thought correct?

You're spot on. You understand basic basketball my friend. :applause: :applause:

[hiphopanonymous]

You're spot on. You understand basic basketball my friend. :applause: :applause:
I respect both of your and 3balls positions so if he had some semantic difference with it I'm curious to hear specifically what it was - I swear I saw clips of him playing and he looked like he knew the game, I don't believe he's actually uninformed even if that is universally considered a live dribble to most. Could also just be the contagious pissing contests on here acting as a wedge between the discussion :oldlol:

[3ball]

3ball said this gif was a "live-dribble jab-step".

https://media.giphy.com/media/kEWV01k4FShLEXQybL/giphy.gif

Whereas the gif he posted of MJ was not.


That's a jab step BEFORE he dribbles, so that's what I was talking about, and that's what I posted with MJ

Harden's pre-dribble jab step is weak though and not a go-to move like it was for MJ - Harden can't live off that move

Harden needs a live dribble to have a go-to move because he lacks off-ball footwork - no drop-step (1-step vertical), no elite triple-threat ability (your gif above), no post game whatsoever.... :confusedshrug:...

it's an entire way of playing that he either lacks entirely (post, drop-step), or is weak at it (triple-threat/jab step)..





You clearly missed the argument.


https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2019/yJTmwE.gif


^^^ This play occurred with 1 minute left in OT of Game 3 with the score tied - MJ catches the ball in the danger zone (close to the hoop), so the defense is forced to double rather than give MJ an iso that deep and at such a critical juncture

Now compare this skillset to what a defense faces with Harden - Harden would be 30 feet from the hoop and calling for a screen - a standard setup that the defense has gotten really good at defending so late in the game

It's night and day - MJ was dimensions superior to today's basic ball-dominators.. :rolleyes:
.

[LoneyROY7]

When I orginally posted this gif:

https://media.giphy.com/media/kEWV01k4FShLEXQybL/giphy.gif

You immediately said:


that's a jab step off a live dribble dumbass

damn you dumb as shit


Then proceeded to post this gif of MJ in which you claimed it was a "non-live dribble jab-step".

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/02jy9L.gif

Explain that please.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[3ball]

When I orginally posted this gif:

https://media.giphy.com/media/kEWV01k4FShLEXQybL/giphy.gif

You immediately said:



Then proceeded to post a gif of MJ in which you claimed was a "non-live dribble jab-step".

Explain that please.

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:
I missed the harden gif where he does the pre-dribble jab step - but once I saw it, I commented on it in the previous post above

And those gifs of MJ were also pre-dribble jab steps - the difference is that MJ lived off his pre-dribble jab step, whereas Harden can't, and prefers a less effective live dribble

Also, notice that gif of MJ vs the Lakers above - non-live-dribble moves - it's an entire skillset and footwork that Harden doesn't have, so he can't put defenses in impossible spots like MJ did

Harden needs a high screen roll iso to do his work, which is easy to defend... Whereas MJ could go catch the ball 12 feet from the hoop give the defense fits, while facilitating ball movement and teammate play-making capacity... That's the difference between 6/6 and everything else..

[LoneyROY7]

I missed the harden gif where he does the pre-dribble jab step - but once I saw it, I commented on it in the previous post above

And those gifs of MJ were also pre-dribble jab steps - the difference is that MJ lived off his pre-dribble jab step, whereas Harden can't, and prefers a less effective live dribble

Also, notice that gif of MJ vs the Lakers above - non-live-dribble moves - it's an entire skillset and footwork that Harden doesn't have, so he can't put defenses in impossible spots like MJ did

Harden needs a high screen roll iso to d his work, which is easy to defend... MJ could go catch the ball 12 feet from the hoop give the defense fits... That's the difference between 6/6 and everything else

Ahhh, so you were wrong. Got it. :lol :lol

[hiphopanonymous]

That's a jab step BEFORE he dribbles, so that's what I was talking about, and that's what I posted with MJ

Harden's pre-dribble jab step is weak though and not a go-to move like it was for MJ - Harden can't live off that move

Harden needs a live dribble to have a go-to move because he lacks off-ball footwork - no drop-step (1-step vertical), no elite triple-threat ability (your gif above), no post game whatsoever.... :confusedshrug:...

it's an entire way of playing that he either lacks entirely (post, drop-step), or is weak at it (triple-threat/jab step)..



https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2019/yJTmwE.gif


^^^ This play occurred with 1 minute left in OT of Game 3 with the score tied - MJ catches the ball in the danger zone (close to the hoop), so the defense is forced to double rather than give MJ an iso that deep and at such a critical juncture

Now compare this skillset to what a defense faces with Harden - Harden would be 30 feet from the hoop and calling for a screen - a standard setup that the defense has gotten really good at defending so late in the game

It's night and day - MJ was dimensions superior to today's basic ball-dominators.. :rolleyes:
.
So their bread and butter clearly isn't identical then. MJ was extremely effective moving off the ball, but isn't Harden arguably extremely effective in his own way, on the ball?

Meaning didn't they both then basically play to their strengths as one would expect?

Or is the underlying point that he won't gel with Westbrook as a result? What do you think about Westbrook becoming the off ball player between the two of them?

[DoctorP]

Doctor P you play as well right? Saw your post in the streetball forum

Regardless of what they're arguing about correct me if I'm wrong, a live dribble just means the dribble hasn't been used up yet? Both offensive players had all their options. So the way I was viewing both the MJ and the Harden gifs in question was that both of them were live dribble situations yes? Both looked to be about the same scenario with only minor differences to me, both were trying to use a jab. MJ used a jab a fraction of a second sooner than Harden did which is why I think 3ball considered it different but technically speaking - both were live dribble situation drives I thought correct?

yeah, i play but I dont know exact definitions so I'm guessing any time you can take a step and it's within the realm of the rules it's a live dribble. so if you take a jab step and can then take steps to drive that is a live dribble. If you jab and must shoot because taking a step would be a travel, then that's not a live dribble. You must pass or shoot at that point. Thats the Kobe pumpfake haha

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IllinformedDisastrousGuernseycow-small.gif

[3ball]

Ahhh, so you were wrong. Got it. :lol :lol
No, harden can't play off-ball and lacks that skillset

I've spent the last page explaining this common knowledge, while you got confused about what a pre-dribble jab step is

Ultimately, Harden's skillset needs a high screen roll iso to do his work, which is easy to defend... Whereas MJ could go catch the ball 12 feet from the hoop give the defense fits - and this off-ball method of getting stats facilities ball movement and teammate play-making capacity... :bowdown:

That's the difference between 6/6 and everything else - it wasn't just PPG that made MJ the goat scorer, it was the WAY he scored allowed goat teamwork and maximum teammate growth (they get to actually have the ball in their hands)

[LoneyROY7]

No, harden can't play off-ball and lacks that skillset

I've spent the last page explaining this common knowledge, while you got confused about what a pre-dribble jab step is

Ultimately, Harden's skillset needs a high screen roll iso to do his work, which is easy to defend... Whereas MJ could go catch the ball 12 feet from the hoop give the defense fits - and this off-ball method of getting stats facilities ball movement and teammate play-making capacity... :bowdown:

That's the difference between 6/6 and everything else - it wasn't just PPG that made MJ the goat scoter, it was the WAY he scored allowed goat teamwork and maximum teammate growth (they get to actually have the ball in their hands)

I didn't get confused on anything. You keep talking about about a non-live dribble jab-step which literally doesn't exist.

You got exposed and now you're trying to walk it back.

You claim you "missed" the harden gif, and yet you quoted THAT EXACT GIF when you called it a live-dribble jab-step. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're dumb, it's okay.

[3ball]

I didn't get confused on anything. You keep talking about about a non-live dribble jab-step which literally doesn't exist.

You got exposed and now you're trying to walk it back.

You claim you "missed" the harden gif, and yet you quoted THAT EXACT GIF when you called it a live-dribble jab-step. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You're dumb, it's okay.
A pre-dribble jab step is the same thing as a non-live-dribble jab step

You were simply confused until I used the term "pre-dribble"

But if you'd played ball before, you would've known what I was saying right away ... But u never played and just like watching the 3balls go in the hoop.. like a kid watching balloons or something... So you know today's 3-and-D, but not actual basketball, hence you getting confused when I started talking

Anyway, Harden lacks the skills to play off-ball and therefore isn't worth discussing because he'll never win - the only way that dumb ball-dominant crap works is if you have extra talent to offset the suboptimal style, like a 3rd star that lebron got by team-hopping.. Harden isn't a team-hopper and doesn't have a 3rd star, so he's toast and not relevant

[hiphopanonymous]

A pre-dribble jab step is the same thing as a non-live-dribble jab step

You were simply confused until I used the term "pre-dribble"

But if you'd played ball before, you would've known what I was saying right away ... But u never played and just like watching the 3balls go in the hoop.. like a kid watching balloons or something... So you know today's 3-and-D, but not actual basketball, hence you getting confused when I started talking

Anyway, Harden lacks the skills to play off-ball and therefore isn't worth discussing because he'll never win - the only way that dumb ball-dominant crap works is if you have extra talent to offset the suboptimal style, like a 3rd star that lebron got by team-hopping.. Harden isn't a team-hopper and doesn't have a 3rd star, so he's toast and not relevant

This is the semantics thing I was talking about.

I now clearly understand what you mean. But still am curious about something and I could be ignorant on this but I was under the impression a live dribble doesn't just mean the dribble is happening - but it could also mean the dribble HASN'T yet happened but COULD happen (hasn't been used up yet). So upon the catch, an offensive player is in a live dribble situation (whether he put the ball down yet or not). Am I mistaken for believing this or is this just semantics?

[LoneyROY7]

A pre-dribble jab step is the same thing as a non-live-dribble jab step

You were simply confused until I used the term "pre-dribble"

But if you'd played ball before, you would've known what I was saying right away ... But u never played and just like watching the 3balls go in the hoop.. like a kid watching balloons or something... So you know today's 3-and-D, but not actual basketball, hence you getting confused when I started talking

Anyway, Harden lacks the skills to play off-ball and therefore isn't worth discussing because he'll never win - the only way that dumb ball-dominant crap works is if you have extra talent to offset the suboptimal style, like a 3rd star that lebron got by team-hopping.. Harden isn't a team-hopper and doesn't have a 3rd star, so he's toast and not relevant


The funniest thing about what your saying is this...

Jab-steps can ONLY occur pre-dribble, so the fact that you tried to differentiate between a live-dribble and non-live dribble jab-step, makes it clear and obvious you don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. :lol :lol

[3ball]

This is the semantics thing I was talking about.

I now clearly understand what you mean. But still am curious about something and I could be ignorant on this but I was under the impression a live dribble doesn't just mean the dribble is happening - but it could also mean the dribble HASN'T yet happened but COULD happen (hasn't been used up yet). So upon the catch, an offensive player is in a live dribble situation (whether he put the ball down yet or not). Am I mistaken for believing this or is this just semantics?
A "live" dribble means it's "alive", or existing.. So if a player is actively pounding the rock, that's a "live" dribble

Anything else is pre-dribble, or I used the term "non" live dribble, which wasn't a good description and confusing

Of course, the pre-dribble, stationary position is the "triple-threat position"... It's called the triple-threat position when you're facing the defender, and a post-up when your back is to the defender - both are pre-dribble, stationary positions

post footwork is essentially the same as triple-threat aside from your back being turned to the defender - a triple threat player can just use their jab step foot to swivel around and turn their back to the defender, like MJ does here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/ePuSyn.gif) and here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/7NXaIu.gif) - that should illustrate how post footwork and triple threat footwork go hand-in-hand and are taught to frontcourt players together... good triple-threat players are invariably good post players -

MJ was goat at triple-threat/post footwork and used it to cut out a lot of ball-dominance... i.e. why use a live dribble and half the shot clock to get to a dangerous spot on the floor, when you can just run to the spot and have a teammate pass you the ball there - this saves a lot of time, facilitates teammate playmaking, and it's harder to defend than the ball-dominator setup (see the previous gif (https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2019/yJTmwE.gif) of MJ on post vs Lakers)

Finally, MJ used the triple-threat/post to do what I call "quick isos" on defenders - they were almost the same as catch-and-go's, but MJ is making a quick move upon the catch (like the Laker gif, or this post gif (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/s9dxI7.gif), and here's a triple threat example here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-22-2015/xiXAYg.gif) and here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-18-2019/KDrt5G.gif)) - only MJ and a few others had the skill to quickly isolate defenders upon the catch, and that helped him fit his scoring into a strict system that was infact designed for role players to maximize their opportunities
.

[DoctorP]

you dribble and you take two ****ing steps. figure it out.

:lol

[RealSkipBayless]

3ball opening his school of basketball to educate the youngins

:applause:

[hiphopanonymous]

A "live" dribble means it's "alive", or existing.. So if a player is actively pounding the rock, that's a "live" dribble

Anything else is pre-dribble, or I used the term "non" live dribble, which wasn't a good description and confusing

Of course, the opposite of a live dribble is the pre-dribble, stationary position, or the "triple-threat position"... It's called the triple-threat position when you're facing the defender, and a post-up when your back is to the defender - both a pre-dribble, stationary positions

post footwork is essentially the same as triple-threat aside from your back being turned to the defender - a triple threat player can just use their jab step foot to swivel around and turn their back to the defender, like MJ does here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/ePuSyn.gif) and here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/7NXaIu.gif) - that should illustrate how post footwork and triple threat footwork go hand-in-hand and are taught to frontcourt players together... good triple-threat players are invariably good post players -

MJ was goat at triple-threat/post footwork and used it to cut out a lot of ball-dominance... i.e. why use a live dribble and half the shot clock to get to a dangerous spot on the floor, when you can just run to the spot and have a teammate pass you the ball there - this saves a lot of time, facilitates teammate playmaking, and it's harder to defend than the ball-dominator setup (see the previous gif (https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-21-2019/yJTmwE.gif) of MJ on post vs Lakers)

Finally, MJ used the triple-threat/post to do what I call "quick isos" on defenders - they were almost the same as catch-and-go's, but MJ is making a quick move upon the catch (like the Laker gif, or this post gif (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/s9dxI7.gif), and here's a triple threat example here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-22-2015/xiXAYg.gif) and here (https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-18-2019/KDrt5G.gif)) - only MJ and a few others had the skill to quickly isolate defenders upon the catch, and that helped him fit his scoring into a strict system that was infact designed for role players to maximize their opportunities
.
Ok, if that description of a live-dribble is true then that makes sense, I'll just call it triple threat or post-up as the differentiation if the dribble isn't yet activated.

[JohnMax]

Capela is too skinny for Westbrook's game.

He needs a big man with thick frame, tree trunk legs to create driving lanes for him through screening.

[Akeem34TheDream]

Mj is obviously a lot better than Harden. Thats just obvious. But 3ball is an idiot. Even mj fans must be seeing that

[Spurs m8]

Damn, and Harden STILL keeps putting the team on his back and carrying them to the postseason despite the deficiencies and shortcomings of all the players you listed. :eek: :eek:

He carrys you to a meltdown every season tbh

[DoctorP]

Harden needs a Pippen. Not a Westbrook. :lol

Rockets are failing him in his prime. A damn shame.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/3oKIPimGyqPkbHAaxG/giphy.gif

[Real14]

Harden have to let Westbrook handle the ball majority of the game for this to work.

[DoctorP]

Harden have to let Westbrook handle the ball majority of the game for this to work.

:lol

[Real14]

:lol
Westbrook is not an off the ball scorer at all:lol

[DoctorP]

Westbrook is not an off the ball scorer at all:lol

:lol I know, yo. lets see what happens. they could always trade him by midseason. he's a good asset, hopefully he doesn't devalue too much.

[Wally450]

:lol I know, yo. lets see what happens. they could always trade him by midseason. he's a good asset, hopefully he doesn't devalue too much.

There's 0% chance they trade him.

[DoctorP]

There's 0% chance they trade him.

ZERO? That's cray. Why you think that?

[LoneyROY7]

Harden needs a Pippen. Not a Westbrook. :lol

Rockets are failing him in his prime. A damn shame.

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[Smoke117]

:lol I know, yo. lets see what happens. they could always trade him by midseason. he's a good asset, hopefully he doesn't devalue too much.

lol Nobody else is taking on Westbrook's contract. He is clearly on the slide right now while being owed the super max for four seasons. Thunder were only able to get rid of him because they took an equally huge contract nobody wants.

The Rockets basically need to run a lot more than they have the last couple of seasons if they are going to do anything. Westbrook is a clearly inferior half court player to Chris Paul as he can't shoot and isn't some great half court driver. He needs to be in the open court at this point of his career to be a plus, period. James Harden is really the one who should be playing off the ball, but the guy has grown into the biggest ballhog in league history who just wants to iso 50 times a game.

[LoneyROY7]

lol Nobody else is taking on Westbrook's contract. He is clearly on the slide right now while being owed the super max for four seasons. Thunder were only able to get rid of him because they took an equally huge contract nobody wants.

The Rockets basically need to run a lot more than they have the last couple of seasons if they are going to do anything. Westbrook is a clearly inferior half court player to Chris Paul as he can't shoot and isn't some great half court driver. He needs to be in the open court at this point of his career to be a plus, period. James Harden is really the one who should be playing off the ball, but the guy has grown into the biggest ballhog in league history who just wants to iso 50 times a game.

So according to Smoke, Westbrook is a bad halfcourt player who can't drive AND James Harden should be playing off-ball.

I guess this means Eric Gordon should be the one running offense?

GENIUS take Smoke. :lol :lol

[Smoke117]

So according to Smoke, Westbrook is a bad halfcourt player who can't drive AND James Harden should be playing off-ball.

I guess this means Eric Gordon should be the one running offense?

GENIUS take Smoke. :lol :lol

For all his faults, Westbrick is a decent playmaker. While he's no great half court player with the ball, he's completely useless without it. This was an utterly pointless trade to make that Morey made in a last ditch effort to save a sinking ship. Nobody in the league is looking at this Rocket team as any kind of serious threat. You should just go back to being a Clippers fan.

[imdaman99]

If Rockets win the championship, I'll get a Westbrook Rockets jersey. Get it done Brodie n da beard :banana:

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[DoctorP]

:lol