Immigrants moving to the U.S. and not assimilating

[Vino24]

Into the culture or even learning basic English. What are your thoughts? I have been running across more and more people that have been here for 10+ years and still don

[highwhey]

OP is triggered AF :oldlol:

[CelticBaller]

It’s stupid af

But I don’t think it’s common. I come from an immigrant family and most of them know English or at least are able to speak basic English. Same with most immigrants I have met

[AirBonner]

OP is triggered AF :oldlol:
Op does have a point. At some point people have to be integrated to some degree

[keep-itreal]

they are a burden on society.

but they said diversity is strength. Illegal Immigrants make America great. They're good for economy :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Long Duck Dong]

Op does have a point. At some point people have to be integrated to some degree

It's not just a US problem, it's worldwide. If you move to a country then assimilate because whatever your host country is doing different than the nation you are running from is probably the right and correct thing. Admittedly Mexicans do assimilate much better than African migrants, those from the ME and their children. If the US politicians were trying to fill up the US with those kind of people like in Europe, instead of latinos, I think we would see a full scale civil war.

[Raymone]

I think it might be more prevalent in bordering states like California and Arizona. Maybe just due to their proximity and a feeling of entitlement. Maybe due to certain states' willingness to accommodate their lack of assimilation.

Do Mexicans that immigrate to northern/eastern states assimilate better?

[egokiller]

Op does have a point. At some point people have to be integrated to some degree

You are the OP. :lol

[tomtucker]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Into the culture or even learning basic English. What are your thoughts? I have been running across more and more people that have been here for 10+ years and still don

[highwhey]

Blame your problems and failures on immigrants brehs :oldlol:

[egokiller]

Blame your problems and failures on immigrants brehs :oldlol:

The people who are pointing this out aren't doing so because they feel immigrants are the reason for their hardships in life. :lol

They are doing so because they have their shit together and have the free time to even talk about this shit in the first place. :applause:

[Lakers Legend#32]

So What?

[CelticBaller]

I think it might be more prevalent in bordering states like California and Arizona. Maybe just due to their proximity and a feeling of entitlement. Maybe due to certain states' willingness to accommodate their lack of assimilation.

Do Mexicans that immigrate to northern/eastern states assimilate better?
Most immigrants I met(Mexicans and non Mexicans) at least try to communicate in English

So it might be a border thing

[Hawker]

Multiple countries make you take an IELTS or TOEFL exam as part of obtaining a work visa. I think that should be done for the US.

[Kblaze8855]

At my age....I dont think id quickly(if ever) learn to speak spanish if you drop me in mexico in a place I can get by without learning it. People learn what they have to. Is there something they cant accomplish speaking spanish? I understand kids....but im talking fully formed adults. There must be 50 million people in America that speak spanish. Im not checking but I suspect America has more spanish speaking people than anywhere but Mexico and maaaaaaaaaybe Argentina?

With so many...they dont have the need. There are "little mexico" parts of town here in south carolina. Last time I was in Texas it all looked like little mexico(granted...I wasnt in the suburbs).

Someone who speaks spanish in California, Texas, or Florida? Hed never need to speak english really.

Its clearly for the best to learn....but you can get away with not learning fairly easily.

Some 40 year old gets here and spends his life a few hundred miles from mexico in a place with 3-4 million mexicans.....

I can see not learning.

[TheMan]

There are some immigrants who really never learn English but their kids do and they assimilate...in my fam, most of my cousins born from Mexican immigrant parents, root for Team USA in soccer for example, and they speak fluent English and broken Spanish.

[egokiller]

At my age....I dont think id quickly(if ever) learn to speak spanish if you drop me in mexico in a place I can get by without learning it. People learn what they have to. Is there something they cant accomplish speaking spanish? I understand kids....but im talking fully formed adults. There must be 50 million people in America that speak spanish. Im not checking but I suspect America has more spanish speaking people than anywhere but Mexico and maaaaaaaaaybe Argentina?

With so many...they dont have the need. There are "little mexico" parts of town here in south carolina. Last time I was in Texas it all looked like little mexico(granted...I wasnt in the suburbs).

Someone who speaks spanish in California, Texas, or Florida? Hed never need to speak english really.

Its clearly for the best to learn....but you can get away with not learning fairly easily.

Some 40 year old gets here and spends his life a few hundred miles from mexico in a place with 3-4 million mexicans.....

I can see not learning.

Imagine a life where you live in an area but miss out on so much because you can't fully take it in because you don't understand what is being said. You can argue that ignorance is bliss all you want, you won't receive a counter argument from me because I'll just agree. One cannot know what they are missing out on if they don't know what they are missing out on in the first place.

[bigkingsfan]

You only need enough to get by. At that age, it's not crucial. You better have a kid that does though.

[Kblaze8855]

Imagine a life where you live in an area but miss out on so much because you can't fully take it in because you don't understand what is being said. You can argue that ignorance is bliss all you want, you won't receive a counter argument from me because I'll just agree. One cannot know what they are missing out on if they don't know what they are missing out on in the first place.


I don

[andgar923]

So much ignorance and borderline racism in this thread.

People are assuming that immigrants simply don

[Patrick Chewing]

Immigrants of today don

[rufuspaul]

[QUOTE=andgar923]So much ignorance and borderline racism in this thread.

People are assuming that immigrants simply don

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Immigrants of today don

[Patrick Chewing]

yikes, explains a lot.

i agree about speaking english, but losing your accent on purpose? you bleach your skin too? afraid of anyone knowing you're not caucasian?

SAD. :(


My parents are far better people than you or your family will ever be. But yes, losing their accent was a choice as they learned the language. This notion that Latinos in America all speak with an accent is quite comical. Why does the token Spanish person in commercials have to have an accent?? That seems a bit racist to me. :lol

[highwhey]

My parents are far better people than you or your family will ever be. But yes, losing their accent was a choice as they learned the language. This notion that Latinos in America all speak with an accent is quite comical. Why does the token Spanish person in commercials have to have an accent?? That seems a bit racist to me. :lol
considering they raised you, that is not remotely true.

SAD. :(

[ArbitraryWater]

Blame your problems and failures on immigrants brehs :oldlol:

Why aren't you just adressing the OP, and ignoring all your personal suspicions?


Are you this insecure?

[egokiller]

Stop suggesting that people learn the language of where they reside so that they have have a better life!

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Long Duck Dong]

[QUOTE=andgar923]So much ignorance and borderline racism in this thread.

People are assuming that immigrants simply don

[TheMan]

My parents are far better people than you or your family will ever be. But yes, losing their accent was a choice as they learned the language. This notion that Latinos in America all speak with an accent is quite comical. Why does the token Spanish person in commercials have to have an accent?? That seems a bit racist to me. :lol
Everyone speaks with an accent, a white dude from the North East sounds very different from a person from the South (thats called an accent) and that person sounds different from a person from the West Coast, and that person sounds completely different than someone from the upper Mid West...

I guarantee you that your folks speak with a Hispanic accent...its pretty much impossible coming to America as full grown adults who only previously spoke Spanish, then go ahead and talk like a native born white American accent, it just doesn't happen.

FYI, there is absolutely nothing wrong with talking with an accent as long as others can perfectly understand you...don't be so insecure.

[Hawker]

Everyone speaks with an accent, a white dude from the North East sounds very different from a person from the South (thats called an accent) and that person sounds different from a person from the West Coast, and that person sounds completely different than someone from the upper Mid West...

I guarantee you that your folks speak with a Hispanic accent...its pretty much impossible coming to America as full grown adults who only previously spoke Spanish, then go ahead and talk like a native born white American accent, it just doesn't happen.

FYI, there is absolutely nothing wrong with talking with an accent as long as others can perfectly understand you...don't be so insecure.

You'll never lose the accent completely but you do tend to pick up a little bit of the local accent.

I've definitely lost a little bit of my american accent over the years.

Latinos really travel in groups which I find really weird.

[egokiller]

There's an old saying:

"Get with the ****ing program."

Sadly in 2019, we still need to explain basic concepts to individuals that can't understand how to assimilate. If you see a majority of people around you not doing something and you want to try and fit in, maybe don't do the thing that is causing you to be viewed as an outsider.:roll:

We hired someone in sales that wore a hijab. The position involved dealing with purchasing managers in TX and other states in the south and attending trade shows. Guess what, she no longer wears it. No one needed to tell her, she just learned that if you want to build trust with purchasing and get the sale, you can't do it without your face being covered. It's called assimilating. Meanwhile someone that wasn't willing to assimilate it is crying the ****ing blues because they couldn't get any sales in a similar position and lost their job. Go figure.

[ILLsmak]

In TX you don't need to assimilate. This place is like mini Mexico. Call a Dr press 1 for Spanish 2 for English. Can get a translator just about everywhere, Spanish on store items. People come up to me and start speaking Spanish cuz I have dark skin it's like ehhh??

I like it though. I think it's bogus how contractors exploit them and such tho. There are many evils that immigration leads to but I don't believe they should have to assimilate. If they are in a place where they can't speak the language and nobody is there to translate, they're ****ed.

It's not too hard to basically express stuff to people tho. It's kinda wack to put people in school and not make them learn English tho. That's a damn travesty if they do that. That's not like cultural oppression that's common sense.

-Smak

[andgar923]

yikes, explains a lot.

i agree about speaking english, but losing your accent on purpose? you bleach your skin too? afraid of anyone knowing you're not caucasian?

SAD. :(
I and others have tried to change accents.

How come?

So we wouldn't get mocked or made to feel inferior. Many of us don't want to feel left out aka we want to assimilate.

[andgar923]

Some of that may be true but let's be honest, it's mostly laziness. I speak Spanish well enough to get by. Yeah I get conjuration mixed up a little sometimes but idgaf if the person I'm talking to starts giggling at my broken Spanish, they know exactly what I'm saying and I understand them perfectly. If you're in the US get out of your comfort zone and speak the language.




:applause:
:rolleyes:

BS

I'd say it's the complete opposite.

The vast majority want to learn as opposed to some that don't.

Even if they work and live in a predominantly Spanish speaking environment, most want to learn English out of necessity, simply to understand the world around them.

[Long Duck Dong]

:rolleyes:

BS

I'd say it's the complete opposite.

The vast majority want to learn as opposed to some that don't.

Even if they work and live in a predominantly Spanish speaking environment, most want to learn English out of necessity, simply to understand the world around them.

Nah. It's laziness. Not just because of not wanting to learn but also refusing to get out of their comfort zone. I do translation all the time and I've noticed a lot of migrants actually understand English pretty well, they just feel uncomfortable speaking it because they feel shame in struggling with the language out loud so they refuse to verbalize with the other individual.

[egokiller]

Nah. It's laziness. Not just because of not wanting to learn but also refusing to get out of their comfort zone. I do translation all the time and I've noticed a lot of migrants actually understand English pretty well, they just feel uncomfortable speaking it because they feel shame in struggling with the language out loud so they refuse to verbalize with the other individual.

This. They figure that since the hard part is done (actually getting on US soil) it's time to kick back and be lazy. What's sad is that it never used to be like that. Immigrants used to come here and work their ass off. So much so that their kids didn't have to work as hard because of their parents sacrifices. These days, the ones that come over are nothing like those before them and just want to leech off the land. Each new generation is more pussified than the one before it.

[Patrick Chewing]

Everyone speaks with an accent, a white dude from the North East sounds very different from a person from the South (thats called an accent) and that person sounds different from a person from the West Coast, and that person sounds completely different than someone from the upper Mid West...

I guarantee you that your folks speak with a Hispanic accent...its pretty much impossible coming to America as full grown adults who only previously spoke Spanish, then go ahead and talk like a native born white American accent, it just doesn't happen.

FYI, there is absolutely nothing wrong with talking with an accent as long as others can perfectly understand you...don't be so insecure.


Parents came over when they were kids. They literally have no accent, but I understand about the different parts of the country thing. I grew up in Miami. Miamians have an accent just as New Yorkers do. But I agree, that shouldn

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Parents came over when they were kids. They literally have no accent, but I understand about the different parts of the country thing. I grew up in Miami. Miamians have an accent just as New Yorkers do. But I agree, that shouldn

[Kiddlovesnets]

We should filter them by language skills, any immigrants who can