Why has lebron never made huge improvements like Kawhi?

[LAL]

Check Kawhi's offensive game in his first year to now, it's pretty obvious and amazing..

What does or did lebron actually work on?? He still can't operate without dribbling and no ****ing jumpshot.

[DocSlam]

I've seen all of Lebron's career. Even his games in high school. He improved greatly on many aspects of his game. Now he is getting old. Just facts. I watched the best of his game. Now you get to see the decline.

[Andrei89]

ISH :lol :lol

Lebron made huge improvements to his game since coming in the league.

[SpaceJam]

Retarded alt

[LAL]

Improved his jumpshot but still doesn't have a jumpshot? What HUGE improvements has he made since he first started?
Ball handling looks the same, jumpshot still broken, .. ball handling? defense? passing? post moves?

I could be wrong.

[Bronbron23]

Improved his jumpshot but still doesn't have a jumpshot? What HUGE improvements has he made since he first started?
Ball handling looks the same, jumpshot still broken, .. ball handling? defense? passing? post moves?

I could be wrong.
No your right he hasn't really. Three point shooting and mid range maybe but he still doesn't seem confident in his shot in tight close games.

Because he's still pretty athletic he probably feels he never really needed to.

[Wally450]

LeBron at 27 was far and away the best player in the NBA. Unanimous MVP as far as I'm concerned.

[LAL]

No your right he hasn't really. Three point shooting and mid range maybe but he still doesn't seem confident in his shot in tight close games.

Because he's still pretty athletic he probably feels he never really needed to.
Even he was blinded by his own stats is what i think.

[superduper]

He didn't get mechanically better at anything. He just got more seasoned and refined as the years went by in his career.

From a mechanical improvement standpoint, absolutely no improvement. Other than lifting weights Bran might have the worst work ethic of any all time great not named Shaq.

He just let the fact that he can get away with travels and stiff arms get to his head.

[brutalBBQ]

Check Kawhi's offensive game in his first year to now, it's pretty obvious and amazing..

What does or did lebron actually work on?? He still can't operate without dribbling and no ****ing jumpshot.

Lebrons skill set is very extensive compared to those hack 90s players that faced milk men and car mechanics.

Lebrons best asset was driving followed by passing and rounded up with athleticism that proved beneficial in the occasional defensive play, *insert 2016 fan Iggy block .jpeg *
Yeah yeah Le Dpoy, when did that happen again?

This guy realistically, when you think about it is not even HOF standard but he will be because of hyperbole. Sad world we live in.

I personally take comfort in the reminder of the vastness of space and the true insignificance we pose on the universe.

[Bronbron23]

Even he was blinded by his own stats is what i think.
Maybe. I think he still feels like he can win with mostly just his athleticism. He has alot of yes men around him so I dought anyone has told him that even though he's still very athletic that it's apparent that he's lost a step. He can't beat his man off the dribble in the half court anymore.

At the end of the day though he's ancient as far as years played. He was bound to decline at some point. Kobe, mj, bird, magic kareem and all the greats were a shell of themselves or retired at this point in there careers.

[Manny98]

He didn't get mechanically better at anything. He just got more seasoned and refined as the years went by in his career.

From a mechanical improvement standpoint, absolutely no improvement. Other than lifting weights Bran might have the worst work ethic of any all time great not named Shaq.

He just let the fact that he can get away with travels and stiff arms get to his head.
You mean to tell me LeBron became consensus top 3 GOAT without barely putting in any work :eek:

[superduper]

You mean to tell me LeBron became consensus top 3 GOAT without barely putting in any work :eek:

Nah he needed multiple superteams to be even remotely relevant.

This is a straight up fact.

[LAL]

You mean to tell me LeBron became consensus top 3 GOAT without barely putting in any work :eek:
You think he made serious improvements in his game? Or is everything a joke to you guys?

[Bronbron23]

You mean to tell me LeBron became consensus top 3 GOAT without barely putting in any work :eek:
Yup pretty much. A Top 3 goat isn't consensus though. Many have mj, magic, kobe, Russell, Kareem and even Shaq ahead of him. LeBron is also still playing and relevant. His place in the game will drop a little similar to Kobe when he declined and then left. When Kobe was still relevant and winning chips there was alot of talk about him being as good or better than mj. Now barely anyone says it.

[LAL]

Maybe. I think he still feels like he can win with mostly just his athleticism. He has alot of yes men around him so I dought anyone has told him that even though he's still very athletic that it's apparent that he's lost a step. He can't beat his man off the dribble in the half court anymore.

At the end of the day though he's ancient as far as years played. He was bound to decline at some point. Kobe, mj, bird, magic kareem and all the greats were a shell of themselves or retired at this point in there careers.
I agree 100%, add to that he always had the stat game on lockdown, never bad numbers despite having shit games and invisible games, it's bizzare and not honest.
Didn't say anything about him being old or past his prime, just wondering why he honestly never worked on his game.

[r0drig0lac]

:facepalm

[LAmbruh]

because he came into the league better thank Kiwit is right now :confusedshrug:



making USA teams before he could buy cigarettes type stuff



peaked out early and consistat for long, tweeks here n there



no time to play towel boy for Eddie Jones and Van Ex jizz rags

[LAL]

because he came into the league better thank Kiwit is right now :confusedshrug:



making USA teams before he could buy cigarettes type stuff



peaked out early and consistat for long, tweeks here n there



no time to play towel boy for Eddie Jones and Van Ex jizz rags
Why is there a big chance he's going to tie lebron in rings this season? Needed almost 10 years less if he does.

[LAmbruh]

Why is there a big chance he's going to tie lebron in rings this season? Needed almost 10 years less if he does.

Same reason there a big chance Dray Green has already triple lapped Malone and Stockton in Kobe wife apology rewards


But better balee we will neva eva be a legend like dem doe :no: rangz doe, mid range doe, 90's legends doe




hand. check.
























doe

[ClipperRevival]

He didn't get mechanically better at anything. He just got more seasoned and refined as the years went by in his career.

From a mechanical improvement standpoint, absolutely no improvement. Other than lifting weights Bran might have the worst work ethic of any all time great not named Shaq.

He just let the fact that he can get away with travels and stiff arms get to his head.

Part in red is true for the most part.

What does Kawhi have that Bron doesn't? A super reliable mid-range game. That is instant offense he can rely on anytime. It's a gold mine. Bron NEVER EVER polished that game and he's paying for it now.

Yesterday also showed that being a facilitator isn't always a good thing. Sometimes you need to take over the game offensively when it's needed and not defer. 2018 was really the only season where Bron was dominant as "the man" as a scorer. But the other years, he's always needed a Wade/Kyrie to carry the O load.

I honestly have no idea why Bron ignored his mid-range game and footwork because they are two and the same. Dude's 35 now, ship as sailed. I would've loved to given him lessons.

[Kingwillball]

LeBron at 27 was far and away the best player in the NBA. Unanimous MVP as far as I'm concerned.

From 23-33 he was in top 3 if not #1...nobody in todays league has come close to that type of sustained excellence.

[LAmbruh]

my boy Rico setting up the traps for the rats :oldlol:



feet kicked up, chocolate milk in hand, watching his ant farm build a new community every. single. season. :oldlol: :roll:

[ImKobe]

From 23-33 he was in top 3 if not #1...nobody in todays league has come close to that type of sustained excellence.

Kobe was All-NBA 1st team from 02-13, excluding the one season he got injured in and he was already a top 5 player in the 2001 Playoffs, putting up 29/7/6 on a 15-1 title team.

Kevin Durant is on that same path, having been a 28 ppg unstoppable scorer in the RS with 29 in the Playoffs since age 21 up until his achilles injury, obviously the injuries are unfortunate but he has always played on that high level when he's been on the court and he'll be back to being the same dominant player next year, and he would have more than 1 MVP had he not teamed up with Steph but the two rings against Lebron don't hurt, especially with B2B all-time great individual Finals series that were both better than Lebron's in any of his wins.

Kareem and Karl Malone were elite from their first/second season up until like their 18th/19th. Malone was still a 21/8/5 guy at age 39 while being the best player on a Playoff team. Kareem was a Finals MVP while putting up 26/9/5 on 60% shooting at age 38 against an all-time great Celtics squad.

[PP34Deuce]

He adjusts his game every year.

Metta said it best. You can't expect consistent effort early in the season from a 17 year vet. He got gassed. He sucked down the stretch. It's game 1 of the season.

Lou Williams was on fire more than usual and they got amazing bench production. It was a great first game of the season. No spammy 3's...

defense, midrange, rebounding, I'll take these games anyday over 3 ball spamfests.

[G0ATbe]

No work ethic, no improvements since entering the league and still the best player in the world for at least a decade and still a top 1-5 player in the league 17th season(45 years old in mileage years). Mr Incredible:bowdown: :applause:

[3ball]

He didn't get mechanically better at anything. He just got more seasoned and refined as the years went by in his career.

From a mechanical improvement standpoint, absolutely no improvement. Other than lifting weights Bran might have the worst work ethic of any all time great not named Shaq.

He just let the fact that he can get away with travels and stiff arms get to his head.
Spot on

His still can't dominate the post; his jumper is still unreliable; his mid-range game is still not elite; and he's as bad off-ball as he's ever been (10.0 minutes of hold-time last night; that's 10% more than 19' Harden)

[LAL]

Lazy ass frontrunner

[Gileraracer]

Lebron prefered to improve his teams instead of himself.

[90sgoat]

He learned an ugly but decent post up game in Miami.

[tontoz]

At age 20 Lebron averaged 27/7/7. He didn't have as much room for improvement as Kawhi did.

Kawhi didn't average 20 ppg until his 5th season.

[sammichoffate]

Spot on

His still can't dominate the post; his jumper is still unreliable; his mid-range game is still not elite; and he's as bad off-ball as he's ever been (10.0 minutes of hold-time last night; that's 10% more than 19' Harden)I think this is the most accurate post i've ever seen from you :lol

[ImKobe]

At age 20 Lebron averaged 27/7/7. He didn't have as much room for improvement as Kawhi did.

Kawhi didn't average 20 ppg until his 5th season.


Lebron had the court vision and the ball-handling skills but he wasn't better than Kawhi in any other aspect of the game. Kawhi is an elite shooter, elite finisher and an elite defensive player and has now developed his ball-handling and passing skills as well. Lebron had the advantage of playing on a rebuilding team, which obviously helped his numbers because he had the green light to make any mistake he wanted to, Kawhi came up under Pop so he had to earn every bit of his touches on the court. Kawhi was a more complete player at 25 than Lebron.

[FKAri]

OP, you don't just "work hard" and assume you will end up with all-time great skills. There is this thing called talent. Basketball fans seem to have a hard time grasping this. "He needs to just get his footwork better!". Some of these things are ingrained in early development. Others, need you have a mechanical and/or mental talent for executing them. Working on them helps but to different extents for everyone.

Lebron had the court vision and the ball-handling skills but he wasn't better than Kawhi in any other aspect of the game. Kawhi is an elite shooter, elite finisher and an elite defensive player and has now developed his ball-handling and passing skills as well. Lebron had the advantage of playing on a rebuilding team, which obviously helped his numbers because he had the green light to make any mistake he wanted to, Kawhi came up under Pop so he had to earn every bit of his touches on the court. Kawhi was a more complete player at 25 than Lebron.
Lebron was also a far better slasher than Kawhi's ever been. He was also a far better finisher than Kawhi's ever been. Kawhi's a better shooter particularly off the dribble and off turnarounds. Though Lebron might be better as a left step back shooter (because that is literally his only move to create a jump shot on the perimeter since like 2007, if not earlier). Pre-Zaza, Kawhi was an even better on ball defender than he is now but he's still better on ball than peak Lebron. But Lebron was a much better help/weakside/team defender than any version of Kawhi.

[pegasus]

I think Lebron is a coward and a cheater, but even I must admit that he did improve his game after coming into the league. Let's not forget he couldn't even make the playoffs in the first two seasons, and that was more about the holes in his game than their roster.

He really worked hard at his shooting. He even changed his shooting form, but like Phil Jackson said, he doesn't fully trust it and it disappears when he needs it the most. He also improved his post game. Nothing pretty but was effective for a while. He also improved his help defense. Always been a flat-footed 1-on-1 defender, but his help defense was good for a while.

He also deserves some credit for being injury-free pretty much his entire career. Yes, there's gotta be some HGH involved, but still you can tell he really takes care of his body.

[Ainosterhaspie]

It's already been said, but LeBron entered the league as a good to great offensive player, while Kawhi entered the league as a bad offensive player. There's a lot more room fro growth going from bad to elite than from good bordering on great to elite. This is a knock on Kawhi not LeBron. He had several years as a below average/middle of the pack unremarkable offensive player. LeBron didn't.

[RRR3]

Lebrons skill set is very extensive compared to those hack 90s players that faced milk men and car mechanics.

Lebrons best asset was driving followed by passing and rounded up with athleticism that proved beneficial in the occasional defensive play, *insert 2016 fan Iggy block .jpeg *
Yeah yeah Le Dpoy, when did that happen again?

This guy realistically, when you think about it is not even HOF standard but he will be because of hyperbole. Sad world we live in.

I personally take comfort in the reminder of the vastness of space and the true insignificance we pose on the universe.
Permaban time.

[PP34Deuce]

I think lebron plays basketball to fuel his businesses now more than ever.

Hes like shaq and magic in that regard. Loves attention. Loves basketball but loves fame and money more.

I think the day you see the media stop giving him attention is the day you get better ball from lebron. Hes not even hurt really. I think it's no coincidence that with how denver slid and clippers arent playing for the 1st seed..he just simply is playing the record game.

Great player. Top 7 all time.

[DoctorP]

LeBron made huge gains, bro

https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-05-2016/KTRnVD.gif

[ImKobe]

It's already been said, but LeBron entered the league as a good to great offensive player, while Kawhi entered the league as a bad offensive player. There's a lot more room fro growth going from bad to elite than from good bordering on great to elite. This is a knock on Kawhi not LeBron. He had several years as a below average/middle of the pack unremarkable offensive player. LeBron didn't.

How did Kawhi enter the league as a "bad" offensive player? He could already shoot the three at above 37% rate (45% in the POs) and finish at a 70% rate inside 3 ft as a rookie, had a 119 ORTG, it's just that Bron got drafted to a rebuilding team that immediately made him the franchise player while Kawhi was brought up in the Spurs system and had to earn all his minutes.

He already averaged 15/11 on 58%TS vs Heat and was the 2nd best player on a Finals team his 2nd season. Not only that, but he was an elite defensive player right out the gate while it took Lebron at least 5 seasons to even become decent on that end.

[LAmbruh]

meanwhile....



https://i.postimg.cc/wjcN8bWJ/ghkrfhujklyuk.png


https://i.postimg.cc/7Y6wSqQb/lk7efyn3kz641.jpg

[ImKobe]

meanwhile....




3 whole games against pre-achilles Kobe

what about this

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=Q4xqU

:(

[AirBonner]

LeGod doesn

[LAL]

[QUOTE]he Los Angeles Lakers have dropped their last four games after a scorching start, and suddenly some haters are coming out of the woodwork