Stephen Jackson: LeBron doesn

[ImKobe]

Sjax going IN on Lebron on the SAS show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FOWckNe-BmM

[superduper]

But did you consider Bran's VORP?

[StrongLurk]

Sounded like they complimented Lebron basically the whole time :confusedshrug:

Thought OP had something good...

[ImKobe]

Sounded like they complimented Lebron basically the whole time :confusedshrug:

Thought OP had something good...

SAS and Sjax both called Lebron out for looking like a beta going up against Kawhi.

[RealSkipBayless]

He doesn't. AD isn't an alpha either. Only hope is Kuzma takes a leap and can be that guy.

The man saw KCP getting torched by Kawhi over and over again. At what point does the guy who can "guard 1-5" step up and take the assignment?

After playing like absolute shit and STILL have the game in reach going into the 4th quarter it should've motivated him to take over. To say thanks for holding us up but I got us now... But nope none of that. Dude was an absolute coward just pussyfooting around just kicking out to shooters. It got to a point where Lebron wasn't even being doubled in the paint and he was STILL passing out to shooters who weren't even open.

[superduper]

He doesn't. AD isn't an alpha either. Only hope is Kuzma takes a leap and can be that guy.

The man saw KCP getting torched by Kawhi over and over again. At what point does the guy who can "guard 1-5" step up and take the assignment?

After playing like absolute shit and STILL have the game in reach going into the 4th quarter it should've motivated him to take over. To say thanks for holding us up but I got us now... But nope none of that. Dude was an absolute coward just pussyfooting around just kicking out to shooters. It got to a point where Lebron wasn't even being doubled in the paint and he was STILL passing out to shooters who weren't even open.

Cot damn :eek:

[Prometheus]

LeBron has made fans grow accustomed to cowardice. He has ALWAYS been like this. The more personal his opponents make it, the worse he is. Kawhi moves in next door, proclaims the city is his, and comes straight for his neck. His response is to play "the right way" aka shy away from the conflict. It has been like this since the beginning. It's just his nature as a man. He isn't a warrior.

[STATUTORY]

Lebron outright BEGGED kawhi to join him in the offseason, literally said out loud that Kawhi can be the alpha during the recruitment session. Kawhi took his heart at that moment, you can't compete psychologically against someoneone whoo you already admitted and acknowledged to be better than you

[TheMan]

LeBron has made fans grow accustomed to cowardice. He has ALWAYS been like this. The more personal his opponents make it, the worse he is. Kawhi moves in next door, proclaims the city is his, and comes straight for his neck. His response is to play "the right way" aka shy away from the conflict. It has been like this since the beginning. It's just his nature as a man. He isn't a warrior.
Muthafukka, them's fighting words.

As a prominent member of LeFam, if I ever see you IRL, there will be blood :mad:

[StrongLurk]

SAS and Sjax both called Lebron out for looking like a beta going up against Kawhi.

It was barely mentioned, just more hot takes followed by back tracking.

I do believe Kawhi is the better player as of now than Lebron. But the whole "dog" thing is not a huge factor in basketball.

Kobe wasn't great because he was a "dog". This is just a personal preference thing.

[dazzer87]

He doesn't. AD isn't an alpha either. Only hope is Kuzma takes a leap and can be that guy.

The man saw KCP getting torched by Kawhi over and over again. At what point does the guy who can "guard 1-5" step up and take the assignment?

After playing like absolute shit and STILL have the game in reach going into the 4th quarter it should've motivated him to take over. To say thanks for holding us up but I got us now... But nope none of that. Dude was an absolute coward just pussyfooting around just kicking out to shooters. It got to a point where Lebron wasn't even being doubled in the paint and he was STILL passing out to shooters who weren't even open.
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[warriorfan]

He doesn't. AD isn't an alpha either. Only hope is Kuzma takes a leap and can be that guy.

The man saw KCP getting torched by Kawhi over and over again. At what point does the guy who can "guard 1-5" step up and take the assignment?

After playing like absolute shit and STILL have the game in reach going into the 4th quarter it should've motivated him to take over. To say thanks for holding us up but I got us now... But nope none of that. Dude was an absolute coward just pussyfooting around just kicking out to shooters. It got to a point where Lebron wasn't even being doubled in the paint and he was STILL passing out to shooters who weren't even open.

He mentally checks out of games and does that and then stans say “he’s making the right basketball moves” :roll:

[ImKobe]

It was barely mentioned, just more hot takes followed by back tracking.

I do believe Kawhi is the better player as of now than Lebron. But the whole "dog" thing is not a huge factor in basketball.

Kobe wasn't great because he was a "dog". This is just a personal preference thing.

Kobe was great because of that dog in him. Bet your ass he would have went at Kawhi in Bron's situation and that kind of competitive fire would have fueled his team to play better on both ends of the court.

I understand that it's 1/82 games but Kawhi comes to his town and proclaims himself as the new king and Bron comes out looking like THAT? It's not about who's better, it's about Lebron not showing heart and going passive down the stretch, forcing passes that lead to bad turnovers/contested 3s when he had wide open jump shots or when he could have taken it to the rim.

It's always been an issue with Lebron. He would be scared to shoot it in an all-star game and had Melo & Kobe laughing at him, he got embarrassed by Kobe when he was at his peak and Kobe was in his 17th season. He had no trouble attacking the rim down 15 points in the Finals with the series over but he doesn't do it when you really need it from him.

He had 6 months to rest and he comes out looking like THAT against a rival? I'm sure he'll give Utah 30 and he'll destroy the Hornets and Grizzlies but I want to see him step up when the whole world is calling him washed up.


He mentally checks out of games and does that and then stans say “he’s making the right basketball moves” :roll:

He would rather have KCP bum ass brick another 3 than shoot a wide open 18-footer.

[PickernRoller]

Why are we dancing around the word FRAUD?

Always been a fraud. I'm not surprised he frauded again.

[AirFederer]

He doesn't. AD isn't an alpha either. Only hope is Kuzma takes a leap and can be that guy.

The man saw KCP getting torched by Kawhi over and over again. At what point does the guy who can "guard 1-5" step up and take the assignment?

After playing like absolute shit and STILL have the game in reach going into the 4th quarter it should've motivated him to take over. To say thanks for holding us up but I got us now... But nope none of that. Dude was an absolute coward just pussyfooting around just kicking out to shooters. It got to a point where Lebron wasn't even being doubled in the paint and he was STILL passing out to shooters who weren't even open.
LeCoast.

[SpaceJam]

Crazy how he still better all time than Kobe

[tpols]

man them youtube comments are bruuutal.

:lol

Lebron is a ho... period.

[tpols]

"you had dogs out there... and cats"

:roll:

[DoctorP]

what else is new?

he needs a big dog to get in him. make him hard. like Kobe :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

The 2018 post-season and really season as a whole (carrying trainwreck) is the biggest example of overcoming adversity and fighting with resiliency ever, its the most amount of hard work, blood sweat tears I've ever seen go into anything from any athlete ever and firmly established him as GOAT.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe is probably, actually, a great example of not having a dog in you.... he doesnt have the oversight and awareness (finals game 7) nor the patience... he doesnt know what it means to master controlled aggression.

neither is he willing to stick it out on teams he has to carry where players won't bail him out. will make trade demands in such instance.

he pouts and quits. I still remember him ignoring fouling OKC at the end of game 2 in 2012 because he was angry he didnt get the ball, and Blake missed...

Its simple things. Its just getting back on defense and not cherry picking upfront which would show some dog.

[ImKobe]

Kobe is probably, actually, a great example of not having a dog in you.... he doesnt have the oversight and awareness (finals game 7) nor the patience... he doesnt know what it means to master controlled aggression.

neither is he willing to stick it out on teams he has to carry where players won't bail him out. will make trade demands in such instance.

he pouts and quits. I still remember him ignoring fouling OKC at the end of game 2 in 2012 because he was angry he didnt get the ball, and Blake missed...

Its simple things. Its just getting back on defense and not cherry picking upfront which would show some dog.

Umm, Kobe had a bad shooting first half and didn't force the issue against Boston and found other ways to win the game. Same thing happened against the Suns in 2006 Game 7, he had like 20 points in the first half and was efficient but it wasn't winning his team the game so he focused on defense and getting others more involved in that instance. You can't say Kobe quit on that Suns series when he put up 50 the previous game and dominated the 4th/OT offensively but lost the game due to his teammates screwing up and allowing a game-tying three-pointer which led to OT.

As far as fouling in the OKC game goes, Artest was actually the closest to foul if you looked at the other angle.

[PP34Deuce]

Lebron always feels out nba seasons... people act like this is a surprise. He will have a couple plays to flex but he never goes hard early in a season.

Kawhi's team are building the narrative and lebron is not as bothered.

[Micku]

The 2018 post-season and really season as a whole (carrying trainwreck) is the biggest example of overcoming adversity and fighting with resiliency ever, its the most amount of hard work, blood sweat tears I've ever seen go into anything from any athlete ever and firmly established him as GOAT.

Exactly. But I don't see him as the GOAT. I don't think there is really a sole GOAT. But all of this talk about having a dog in him or whatever, I feel like him carrying a team like the Cavs in 2018 to the finals was special. And he carried teams multiple times.

LeBron seems more chill in the RS. Every once in a while he'll compete with the opposite star directly. But it's more chill. He has done this a few times. It is what it is. Shouldn't be surprise at this point. Ppl just want another Kobe/MJ mentality style. The ppl who have that today might be Westbrook and Lillard maybe? But they aren't as good as LeBron.

They want to see h2h superstars going at it or talking trash. But LeBron rarely does that. He never really defended KD or Kawhi much. Even Kawhi doesn't really do that all the time. Kobe did it more often than LeBron. He tried to go at of his way to defend LeBron or Wade at times. MJ would do it against Magic and Clyde, not Bird tho.

I suppose the closest thing he had with him being a "dog" would be his series against the Celts in 2012, him against the Wiz in his older cavs days, and him in the 2016 series with the Warriors. He talked trash there.

It's the first game of the season. Assuming LeBron hasn't regress a lot, I feel like it's an overreaction.

[brutalBBQ]

As a prominent member of LeFam, :mad:

Oh, so you're a cross dressing, SJW ladyboy, noted.

[Kingwillball]

He doesn't. AD isn't an alpha either. Only hope is Kuzma takes a leap and can be that guy.

The man saw KCP getting torched by Kawhi over and over again. At what point does the guy who can "guard 1-5" step up and take the assignment?

After playing like absolute shit and STILL have the game in reach going into the 4th quarter it should've motivated him to take over. To say thanks for holding us up but I got us now... But nope none of that. Dude was an absolute coward just pussyfooting around just kicking out to shooters. It got to a point where Lebron wasn't even being doubled in the paint and he was STILL passing out to shooters who weren't even open.

Don

[red1]

he's definitely not as competitive as kobe. kobe might have the best work ethic out of any athlete ever. if lebron trained as hard he'd definitely be a better and more reliable shooter.


lebron is still the better player. I'll take 35 year old lebron over 35-year old kobe.

[StrongLurk]

Kobe was great because of that dog in him. Bet your ass he would have went at Kawhi in Bron's situation and that kind of competitive fire would have fueled his team to play better on both ends of the court.

I understand that it's 1/82 games but Kawhi comes to his town and proclaims himself as the new king and Bron comes out looking like THAT? It's not about who's better, it's about Lebron not showing heart and going passive down the stretch, forcing passes that lead to bad turnovers/contested 3s when he had wide open jump shots or when he could have taken it to the rim.

It's always been an issue with Lebron. He would be scared to shoot it in an all-star game and had Melo & Kobe laughing at him, he got embarrassed by Kobe when he was at his peak and Kobe was in his 17th season. He had no trouble attacking the rim down 15 points in the Finals with the series over but he doesn't do it when you really need it from him.

He had 6 months to rest and he comes out looking like THAT against a rival? I'm sure he'll give Utah 30 and he'll destroy the Hornets and Grizzlies but I want to see him step up when the whole world is calling him washed up.



He would rather have KCP bum ass brick another 3 than shoot a wide open 18-footer.

So much of what you said is just narrative based crap. Kobe has been owned by plenty of players every year of his career (just like all nba players do), who cares if Kobe "goes at people" if he shoots 8-25 or 10-30 in a game...

Lebron has had so many "dog" moments in the playoffs that it's just dumb to criticize Lebron in this fashion about the first game of the season. All the game winners, the crazy game sevens, coming back down 3-1 in the finals, game 6 in Boston 2012...are we really still talking about Kobe being more of a gunner than Lebron?

This conversation is much more about personal preference than actual impact on the court.

I'm sure you like Kobe Bryant as a player much more than Magic Johnson because Kobe is a gunner and Magic isn't...doesn't automatically mean Kobe has more impact than Magic.

[knicksman]

he's definitely not as competitive as kobe. kobe might have the best work ethic out of any athlete ever. if lebron trained as hard he'd definitely be a better and more reliable shooter.


lebron is still the better player. I'll take 35 year old lebron over 35-year old kobe.

kawhi has shown this season how much superior his playing style over lebron bro. Thats the reason why kobe won 5 jordan 6. They dont even need superteams to do it. So move on. Lebron has never been as good as kobe.

[red1]

kawhi has shown this season how much superior his playing style over lebron bro. Thats the reason why kobe won 5 jordan 6. They dont even need superteams to do it. So move on. Lebron has never been as good as kobe.
welcome back knickswoman. :applause:


3 finals MVPs james gang already won. kawhi is a true superstar and the best player in the league. both at their best better than kobe.

[knicksman]

welcome back knickswoman. :applause:


3 finals MVPs james gang already won. kawhi is a true superstar and the best player in the league. both at their best better than kobe.

I know. Its hard to convince a troll.

[ImKobe]

So much of what you said is just narrative based crap. Kobe has been owned by plenty of players every year of his career (just like all nba players do), who cares if Kobe "goes at people" if he shoots 8-25 or 10-30 in a game...

Lebron has had so many "dog" moments in the playoffs that it's just dumb to criticize Lebron in this fashion about the first game of the season. All the game winners, the crazy game sevens, coming back down 3-1 in the finals, game 6 in Boston 2012...are we really still talking about Kobe being more of a gunner than Lebron?

This conversation is much more about personal preference than actual impact on the court.

I'm sure you like Kobe Bryant as a player much more than Magic Johnson because Kobe is a gunner and Magic isn't...doesn't automatically mean Kobe has more impact than Magic.

There's a difference between having a bad shooting night and not showing any effort at all. Kobe could miss shots the first 3 quarters but still come out aggressive and pull his team together in the 4th. Lebron in the past 3-4 years has just layed down if he had bad first half shooting, he would avoid attacking the paint and going to the FT line in close games. You can never say that about Kobe.

How many dog moments did Lebron really have against contenders? I'm not talking Indiana or a washed up Bulls squad, this is Kawhi Leonard and an actual Finals contender going at him, he's never faced a player as great as Leonard in the EC Playoffs (where all his game-winners/big shots came in).

The only time he faced someone as good as current Kawhi was KD in 2017 and 2018 Finals and he got obliterated on the defensive end and had no answer in the 4th quarter when it was a close game. Him and Irving came back against the Warriors but who was Lebron going against? 6-2 Curry who was playing on one leg? Klay Thompson? They still should have lost that one but got bailed out by a Green suspension and injuries to Curry, Iggy and Bogut.


It's not personal preference, it's what you actually see on the court. Lebron needs someone to be the dog for him and I don't think the Lakers really have anyone like Wade or Irving to do that. Davis hasn't proven it yet.

[StrongLurk]

There's a difference between having a bad shooting night and not showing any effort at all. Kobe could miss shots the first 3 quarters but still come out aggressive and pull his team together in the 4th. Lebron in the past 3-4 years has just layed down if he had bad first half shooting, he would avoid attacking the paint and going to the FT line in close games. You can never say that about Kobe.

How many dog moments did Lebron really have against contenders? I'm not talking Indiana or a washed up Bulls squad, this is Kawhi Leonard and an actual Finals contender going at him, he's never faced a player as great as Leonard in the EC Playoffs (where all his game-winners/big shots came in).

The only time he faced someone as good as current Kawhi was KD in 2017 and 2018 Finals and he got obliterated on the defensive end and had no answer in the 4th quarter when it was a close game. Him and Irving came back against the Warriors but who was Lebron going against? 6-2 Curry who was playing on one leg? Klay Thompson? They still should have lost that one but got bailed out by a Green suspension and injuries to Curry, Iggy and Bogut.


It's not personal preference, it's what you actually see on the court. Lebron needs someone to be the dog for him and I don't think the Lakers really have anyone like Wade or Irving to do that. Davis hasn't proven it yet.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. To me, this is more of an emotional, personal preference conversation.

Everyone will be too biased for this kind of convo to really be objective.

[Turbo Slayer]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. To me, this is more of an emotional, personal preference conversation.

Everyone will be too biased for this kind of convo to really be objective.
Were too biased. :oldlol: true post.

[ronniec]

There's a difference between having a bad shooting night and not showing any effort at all. Kobe could miss shots the first 3 quarters but still come out aggressive and pull his team together in the 4th. Lebron in the past 3-4 years has just layed down if he had bad first half shooting, he would avoid attacking the paint and going to the FT line in close games. You can never say that about Kobe.

How many dog moments did Lebron really have against contenders? I'm not talking Indiana or a washed up Bulls squad, this is Kawhi Leonard and an actual Finals contender going at him, he's never faced a player as great as Leonard in the EC Playoffs (where all his game-winners/big shots came in).

The only time he faced someone as good as current Kawhi was KD in 2017 and 2018 Finals and he got obliterated on the defensive end and had no answer in the 4th quarter when it was a close game. Him and Irving came back against the Warriors but who was Lebron going against? 6-2 Curry who was playing on one leg? Klay Thompson? They still should have lost that one but got bailed out by a Green suspension and injuries to Curry, Iggy and Bogut.


It's not personal preference, it's what you actually see on the court. Lebron needs someone to be the dog for him and I don't think the Lakers really have anyone like Wade or Irving to do that. Davis hasn't proven it yet.

My opinion is, Kobe is less calculating than Lebron, but not less as a basketball player.

[PP34Deuce]

There's a difference between having a bad shooting night and not showing any effort at all. Kobe could miss shots the first 3 quarters but still come out aggressive and pull his team together in the 4th. Lebron in the past 3-4 years has just layed down if he had bad first half shooting, he would avoid attacking the paint and going to the FT line in close games. You can never say that about Kobe.

How many dog moments did Lebron really have against contenders? I'm not talking Indiana or a washed up Bulls squad, this is Kawhi Leonard and an actual Finals contender going at him, he's never faced a player as great as Leonard in the EC Playoffs (where all his game-winners/big shots came in).

The only time he faced someone as good as current Kawhi was KD in 2017 and 2018 Finals and he got obliterated on the defensive end and had no answer in the 4th quarter when it was a close game. Him and Irving came back against the Warriors but who was Lebron going against? 6-2 Curry who was playing on one leg? Klay Thompson? They still should have lost that one but got bailed out by a Green suspension and injuries to Curry, Iggy and Bogut.


It's not personal preference, it's what you actually see on the court. Lebron needs someone to be the dog for him and I don't think the Lakers really have anyone like Wade or Irving to do that. Davis hasn't proven it yet.



It's game 1 of an 82 game season. Can't read into this too much.

[stalkerforlife]

Everyone knows Bran is a p ussy.

Never had a single serious physical confrontation and fight in 15+ years.

He just wants to be BFF and team up.

Uncompetitive fraud.

[ImKobe]

It's game 1 of an 82 game season. Can't read into this too much.

Agreed as far as the season goes but it's what we've always seen from Lebron. It's not about just this game.


Everyone knows Bran is a p ussy.

Never had a single serious physical confrontation and fight in 15+ years.

He just wants to be BFF and team up.

Uncompetitive fraud.

this is Lebron when he gets confronted

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2606667/lebronshove.gif



he even flops against his own teammates

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SkeletalUnconsciousIndiancow-size_restricted.gif

[AlternativeAcc.]

Kobe doesn't have that 'dog in him' like Patrick Beverly.


It's 2019 you fukking losers, this 'argument'/talking point/whatever you wanna call it is ridiculously played out and boring. Find new material for once.


and for the last time, NOBODY gives a **** what Stephen Jackson has to say. JESUS CHRIST

[ImKobe]

Kobe doesn't have that 'dog in him' like Patrick Beverly.


It's 2019 you fukking losers, this 'argument'/talking point/whatever you wanna call it is ridiculously played out and boring. Find new material for once.


and for the last time, NOBODY gives a **** what Stephen Jackson has to say. JESUS CHRIST

Oh yes he ****ing does

Kobe used to pick up cats full court just to make a statement. He would often guard the opposing team's point guard and play on-ball defense all game.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/QuickSourBassethound-size_restricted.gif

[DoctorP]

Kobe doesn't have that 'dog in him' like Patrick Beverly.


It's 2019 you fukking losers, this 'argument'/talking point/whatever you wanna call it is ridiculously played out and boring. Find new material for once.


and for the last time, NOBODY gives a **** what Stephen Jackson has to say. JESUS CHRIST



I like you. U Jewish?