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PeroAntic
10-26-2019, 03:27 PM
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Who was a better basketball player?
RRR3
10-26-2019, 03:33 PM
:facepalm
Smoke117
10-26-2019, 03:37 PM
Penny Hardaway has become extremely overrated with nostalgia. He basically didn't do anything without Shaq. The one season he played without Shaq before he got injured saw his efficiency fall heavily.
PeroAntic
10-26-2019, 04:41 PM
Penny Hardaway has become extremely overrated with nostalgia. He basically didn't do anything without Shaq. The one season he played without Shaq before he got injured saw his efficiency fall heavily.
Then why didn't other players become overrated with nostalgia?

The question is not who was more efficient, it was who was a better basketball player. I know its hard for you to make the distinction because in your head eveything is about efficiency. The obsession with efficiency began just a few years ago.

fyi TMac was not the hallmark of efficiency either
RRR3
10-26-2019, 04:44 PM
T-Mac at his best averaged 32.1/6.5/5.5/1.7/0.8 on .457/.386/.793. He had an OBPM of 9.8 which is one of the highest recorded marks in league history.
keep-itreal
10-26-2019, 04:48 PM
T-Mac at his best averaged 32.1/6.5/5.5/1.7/0.8 on .457/.386/.793. He had an OBPM of 9.8 which is one of the highest recorded marks in league history.

still never got out of the 1st round :(
Uncle Drew
10-26-2019, 04:50 PM
What?
Uncle Drew
10-26-2019, 04:51 PM
still never got out of the 1st round :(
McGrady played in an NBA Finals.
PeroAntic
10-26-2019, 04:51 PM
T-Mac at his best averaged 32.1/6.5/5.5/1.7/0.8 on .457/.386/.793. He had an OBPM of 9.8 which is one of the highest recorded marks in league history.
Penny's peak in OBPM was 6.4, and he assisted more with less usage. but Penny was more than just the boxscore stats. He had more of Magic in him while TMac had more of MJ.
ImKobe
10-26-2019, 05:04 PM
Penny Hardaway has become extremely overrated with nostalgia. He basically didn't do anything without Shaq. The one season he played without Shaq before he got injured saw his efficiency fall heavily.

Well he did get injured early in that one season too. He had had B2B 40-point games in the Playoffs against Miami. Remember that Shaq missed 28 games the '96 season when they won 60 games, the Magic were 20 - 8 in those games so it's not like Penny wasn't cooking without him. The team won 45 games the next year but they were playing at a 52-win pace with Penny and were 7-16 without him (25-win pace).

I did go with T-Mac because we only saw 4 seasons of Penny before he got that injury and was never the same again. 4th season McGrady was a lot better than Penny in any of his first 4 and T-Mac was a lot younger (21 vs 25).
bizil
10-26-2019, 05:17 PM
Hands down T Mac was a better player. Even though T Mac caught the injury bug in his 20's, i think we saw the best T Mac WE WERE GONNA SEE. Even if he never got hurt. We just didn't get to see it extended into his 30's. He was a 7 time All Star AND 7 time All NBA DESPITE the injuries though. Not many SG's have accomplished that combination. I actually think less than 15 EVER have done that!

At his best, Mac was a top 4-5 SG EVER peak wise. He's up there with MJ, Mamba, Wade, and West. Could legit play and defend PG, SG, and SF. Hell could even defend certain PF's.

If u are talking pure talent on offense, size, and athletic ability as a package, he was AS GIFTED as any SG ever. The sad part is Penny ALSO was as gifted as any PG in that same regard. But we didn't get to see THE BEST Penny we were gonna see. If Penny's trajectory was what it seemed to be, then he would have been on the same level as T Mac. And at the PG, would have dominated the position for years to come.
DoctorP
10-26-2019, 05:24 PM
I voted TMac. He won a scoring title. Other than that neitther really did much. Did they get out of the first round? Penny without Shaq, did he get out of the first round?

https://media.giphy.com/media/CHgk6qgFECo1O/giphy.gif
LoneyROY7
10-26-2019, 05:34 PM
It's tough, but I'm probably leaning towards the guy that got out of the 1st round. :oldlol: :oldlol:
k0kakw0rld
10-26-2019, 05:39 PM
T-Mac but I don't really care much for both individuals
DoctorP
10-26-2019, 05:42 PM
It's tough, but I'm probably leaning towards the guy that got out of the 1st round. :oldlol: :oldlol:

did he have Yao? thts the difference

i also loved the 30 points in 5 seconds thing
LoneyROY7
10-26-2019, 05:43 PM
did he have Yao? thts the difference

i also loved the 30 points in 5 seconds thing

T-mac had stacked rosters in Houston and STILL couldn't make it out the 1st round. :eek: :eek:
ImKobe
10-26-2019, 05:43 PM
I voted TMac. He won a scoring title. Other than that neitther really did much. Did they get out of the first round? Penny without Shaq, did he get out of the first round?

https://media.giphy.com/media/CHgk6qgFECo1O/giphy.gif

He did with the Suns in 2000, was actually a great player that year.


T-mac had stacked rosters in Houston and STILL couldn't make it out the 1st round. :eek: :eek:

Technically, he did in 2009.
FromDowntown
10-26-2019, 06:19 PM
Tracy McGrady
tontoz
10-26-2019, 06:56 PM
I would take Tmac although i would say both were a bit overrated.
90sgoat
10-26-2019, 06:57 PM
T-Mac was the original Lebron.

Crazy usage and ball domination, lacking fundamentals.

Penny was the original Doncic.
RRR3
10-26-2019, 06:57 PM
T-mac had stacked rosters in Houston and STILL couldn't make it out the 1st round. :eek: :eek:
Not everyone has Chris Paul to carry them through the playoffs.
stalkerforlife
10-26-2019, 07:37 PM
This is not even a debate.

Penny was always overrated.
Reggie43
10-26-2019, 08:22 PM
Peak Penny was better, tmac was always overrated.
jlip
10-26-2019, 08:36 PM
As a Memphian who has followed Penny's career since high school, who is also watching him single handedly make our alma mater relevant again, it pains me to have to say T-Mac. I wish that we could have seen at least three more seasons of prime, injury free Penny. Then my answer may have been different.

BTW... What's with the "Let's settle this once and for all"? I have never known this to be a hotly contested comparison. As a matter of fact, I have never once heard this debate.
FKAri
10-26-2019, 08:45 PM
I'mma go with the guy who was better at basketball.
DoctorP
10-26-2019, 08:50 PM
I'mma go with the guy who was better at basketball.

you lie!!
PeroAntic
10-26-2019, 09:41 PM
BTW... What's with the "Let's settle this once and for all"? I have never known this to be a hotly contested comparison. As a matter of fact, I have never once heard this debate.
I know Magic fans argue this one often. Two very similar players and whose prime has been cut short by injuries.

In the end its closer than you think. Both could do everything at an elite level. But Penny was slightly more predisposed to create for others, while TMac was more of a scorer.

But if it wasn't for Penny, there would have been no TMac. Penny was his idol. He was the idol of so many, which was crazy for a guy that was there basically for just two seasons.