Osama Bin Laden vs Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi

[iamgine]

Who's the bigger kill?

[Loco 50]

Which one stopped foreign and/or domestic terrorism? Pls and tks

[diamenz]

i can see this getting very stupid.

[rufuspaul]

I'd call it a draw. Bin Laden killed more Americans and caused billions in damage on American soil. al-Baghdadi controlled large swaths of territory in 3 countries and brutally murdered and tortured thousands, had captive sex slaves, forced conversions, etc.

[FultzNationRISE]

All this shit is fake

[bladefd]

Bin Laden had the guts to attack America directly, in our pearl jewels. The Pentagon plane was probably aimed at the White House and the plane in Indiana/Ohio field for Sears tower. Our nation was almost brought to its knees afterwards as we threw away trillions in Iraq then probably another trillion in Afghanistan. We are still there. Our economy went into major recession, coming to its knees. We also went nuts creating Homeland Security, raised our military spending and went berserk over the Mexican border. We have been in perpetual war ever since 9/11. Bin Laden had his spies spread across Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, even Saudi Arabia (possibly funded by Saudi Arabia and Pakistani ISI).

Baghdadi was never a threat to American homeland, at least not yet. He wanted to control the Middle East before coming for America. He butchered thousands, was self-funded, was gaining supporters by the day and had initial success before his ISIS was pushed. They were powerful for a short time compared to Bin Laden, who was in hiding for almost 2 decades, always escaping.

Both were huge threats but the bigger kill has to be Bin Laden, who was on CIA terrorist list since the early 90s, perhaps 80s. He took years to track, watch and take down. Keep in mind the circumstances too. He was behind Pakistani protection so we had to act very quickly and pull out very quickly before Pakistani army/airforce arrived. Oh and how about that helicopter that malfunctioned?

[FultzNationRISE]

Bin Laden had the guts to attack America directly, in our pearl jewels. The Pentagon plane was probably aimed at the White House and the plane in Indiana/Ohio field for Sears tower. Our nation was almost brought to its knees afterwards as we threw away trillions in Iraq then probably another trillion in Afghanistan. We are still there. Our economy went into major recession, coming to its knees. We also went nuts creating Homeland Security, raised our military spending and went berserk over the Mexican border. We have been in perpetual war ever since 9/11. Bin Laden had his spies spread across Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, even Saudi Arabia (possibly funded by Saudi Arabia and Pakistani ISI).

Baghdadi was never a threat to American homeland, at least not yet. He wanted to control the Middle East before coming for America. He butchered thousands, was self-funded, was gaining supporters by the day and had initial success before his ISIS was pushed. They were powerful for a short time compared to Bin Laden, who was in hiding for almost 2 decades, always escaping.

Both were huge threats but the bigger kill has to be Bin Laden, who was on CIA terrorist list since the early 90s, perhaps 80s. He took years to track, watch and take down. Keep in mind the circumstances too. He was behind Pakistani protection so we had to act very quickly and pull out very quickly before Pakistani army/airforce arrived. Oh and how about that helicopter that malfunctioned?


Do you believe some ragheads in a cave actually had the motivation and means to make this happen or do you believe it was a course of action plotted all along by powerful global interests, many of whom disguise themselves as US leaders?

[bladefd]

9/11 made people fearful/paranoid and go berserk behavior-wise.. So you can say Bin Laden impacted our every day life both directly and indirectly. We (well our politicians and others like bankers) made decisions out of fear. We drove ourselves crazy after 9/11.. Trillions in Iraq alone will be seen in a century as the beginning of America's demise because we shot ourselves in the foot.. That was just 1 piece to the "demise pie" but a crucial one. We are so far in debt sinking-hole now that we don't know how to get out..

[ILLsmak]

I dunno if these dudes are even dead, real talk. Some shit we just dunno. It's like cool story bro. Doesn't make me feel good.

-Smak

[FultzNationRISE]

9/11 made people fearful/paranoid and go berserk behavior-wise.. So you can say Bin Laden impacted our every day life both directly and indirectly. We (well our politicians and others like bankers) made decisions out of fear. We drove ourselves crazy after 9/11.. Trillions in Iraq alone will be seen in a century as the beginning of America's demise because we shot ourselves in the foot.. That was just 1 piece to the "demise pie" but a crucial one. We are so far in debt sinking-hole now that we don't know how to get out..


But you do think that either the ragheads planned it all to happen just that way or it was a total coincidence, is that correct? The most powerful interests in the country meant well for all of us, they just happened to transform the whole nation into some totalitarian movie out of sheer ineptitude. And by a genuine coincidence, they happened to benefit massively.

The one thing that definitely was NOT the case, was that an attack on the country was conceived by interests in America as an impetus for all these actions.


Am I correct that this is your viewpoint?

[bladefd]

It's irrelevant whether that was their exact goals all along (get Americans to invade Iraq, bring down the economy, create Homeland security & out of control NSA, increase military funding up the wazoo, etc etc). Bin Laden obviously wanted to bring America to its knees by causing chaos, and they succeeded.. We have been at a perpetual war in the middle east every since blowing away billions).

[FultzNationRISE]

It's irrelevant whether that was their exact goals all along (get Americans to invade Iraq, bring down the economy, create Homeland security & out of control NSA, increase military funding up the wazoo, etc etc). Bin Laden obviously wanted to bring America to its knees by causing chaos, and they succeeded.. We have been at a perpetual war in the middle east every since blowing away billions).


It’s IRRELEVANT whether American-based interests, some of whom may still be in positions of power today, were involved in the conception of 9/11 to further their own interests!????

That’s IRRELEVANT????




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SHIT.

[bladefd]

Irrelevant to Bin Laden. His only goal was to cause chaos in America. They succeeded. We became paranoid and rest is history..

There were also other greedy scumbags in America who saw opportunity and jumped aboard. But that's a separate story for another day. We are discussing what these 2 terrorists did and I guess comparing their impacts. If you want to discuss bankers/contractors/CEOs/housing crisis and fraud/greed screwing up our economy, we can open a new thread.

[highwhey]

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[FultzNationRISE]

yikes, different thread...same meltdown

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When you have nothing to discuss, but still BADLY need the attention of other Insidehoops users...

[highwhey]

When you have nothing to discuss, but still BADLY need the attention of other Insidehoops users...
when you're so emotionally fragile that your entire existence is one big meltdown


:roll:

[FultzNationRISE]

when you're so emotionally fragile that your entire existence is one big meltdown


:roll:


Why are you even addressing me?

Did you notice the original comments I made in your fabricated milf thread were directed toward other posters? Then you got triggered and tried to bait me into a flame war etc.

Have you noticed I and most other posters rarely address you directly? Youre uneducated about virtually all topics, and you have no life experience on which to draw in conversation. All of your exchanges are precipitated by invoking Donald Trump randomly in conversation and hoping it will attract people to flame with you, or just directly following posters like myself or chewing etc as you did in this thread.

Youre like a child with nobody to play with. You spend 24/7 of your time trying to get the big kids to play dolls with you, while theyre trying to go about big kid stuff that doesnt include you. And youd rather annoy them so theyll stick around and fight with you rather than have them leave you and youre just all alone.

Just go away. Dont bother everyone else here because youre lonely.

[Proctor]

yikes, different thread...same meltdown

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:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SomeBlackDude]

Do you believe some ragheads in a cave actually had the motivation and means to make this happen

osama was the son of one of the most wealthy and well connected men in saudi arabia, a personal friend of the royal fam. think the bin laden fam had a net worth of like $5 billion and osama personally inherited $30 mil from his dad. he was trained by the cia during his time with the mujahideen during the soviet-afghan war (operation cyclone).

al-baghdadi had a phd. much of isis' leadership is made up of former iraqi military officers.

the leaders of these groups are well educated, wealthy, well-connected. not just some random cavemen.

[FultzNationRISE]

osama was the son of one of the most wealthy and well connected men in saudi arabia, a personal friend of the royal fam. think the bin laden fam had a net worth of like $5 billion and osama personally inherited $30 mil from his dad. he was trained by the cia during his time with the mujahideen during the soviet-afghan war (operation cyclone).

al-baghdadi had a phd. much of isis' leadership is made up of former iraqi military officers.

the leaders of these groups are well educated, wealthy, well-connected. not just some random cavemen.


Right, and you know who the Bin Laden's American business partners were, yeah?

The Bush family.


The official story was that after 9/11, Osama was hiding out in a cave for the next 10 years, no? And then we finally "got him" but... there was no video and no body?

I mean if that's the story... a rich, well connected guy whose family is close with the Bush's, decides he hates people 10k miles across the world to the point of throwing it all away to live in a cave for a decade. Which just coincidentally justifies the entirety of the Bush family's unpopular foreign policy. And then the most wanted man in the history of the world is cornered by American forces and we decide to just 'chuck him overboard' never to be formally charged, identified, interrogated etc....


I mean.. yeah.

This is the shit dystopian authors write about. The fact that the public just believes anything like this that you could make up and tell them.

[Draz]

Bin Laden. No contest.

He still makes thousands of people suffer from PTSD to this very day.

He did it in our backyard.

Obama >

[highwhey]

Why are you even addressing me?

Did you notice the original comments I made in your fabricated milf thread were directed toward other posters? Then you got triggered and tried to bait me into a flame war etc.

Have you noticed I and most other posters rarely address you directly? Youre uneducated about virtually all topics, and you have no life experience on which to draw in conversation. All of your exchanges are precipitated by invoking Donald Trump randomly in conversation and hoping it will attract people to flame with you, or just directly following posters like myself or chewing etc as you did in this thread.

Youre like a child with nobody to play with. You spend 24/7 of your time trying to get the big kids to play dolls with you, while theyre trying to go about big kid stuff that doesnt include you. And youd rather annoy them so theyll stick around and fight with you rather than have them leave you and youre just all alone.

Just go away. Dont bother everyone else here because youre lonely.another meltdown

https://media2.giphy.com/media/xThuWcZzGnonnG3ayQ/source.gif

[imdaman99]

Both are better off dead. Kill all these terrorists off and let em get raped by snakes in hell

[dude77]

bin laden obviously .. however .. by 2011 bin laden was largely forgotten .. I remember well watching the news at that time .. he was never mentioned any longer at that point and no one talked about him .. that's why when it happened it was a surprise of sorts .. baghdadi however is/was an active isis big wig doing shit in realtime so it's a pretty big takedown as well

[FultzNationRISE]

Both are better off dead. Kill all these terrorists off and let em get raped by snakes in hell


Unfortunately theyre just pawns and will be easily replaced.

Life in the machine goes on.

[TheMan]

Is this even a serious question?

Bin Laden of course.

Baghdadi was also a huge takedown though.

[jstern]

Osama was 6'5".

[egokiller]

Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi wasn't in the news very much until he blew himself up.




























































Now he's all over the place.

















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[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump's so-called victory is now forgotten.
Impeachment is center stage again.

[dude77]

Impeachment is center stage again.


and will lead to his reelection .. joke's on you dumbasses



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