Was 9/11 conceived predominantly by American interests?

[FultzNationRISE]

The answer is Yes.

[dude77]

let's be honest .. yes .. I don't know about 'american' but that shit didn't go down the way they said it did

[warriorfan]

Of course

[AlternativeAcc.]

No.

The government has done some sketchy things, but 911 wasn't one of them.

[dude77]

No.

The government has done some sketchy things, but 911 wasn't one of them.


https://media.tenor.com/images/c2eeea32a7ef5fe0ff0d12d90719c45d/tenor.gif

[AlternativeAcc.]

https://media.tenor.com/images/c2eeea32a7ef5fe0ff0d12d90719c45d/tenor.gif
Convincing argument.

There's getting away with murder and then there's getting away with... 5,000 murders.

Believing it was a conspiracy with no real evidence is a stupid reach made by stupid people.

[tpols]

bush + saudi tag team hit job = big oil profit. :pimp:

[tpols]

Convincing argument.

There's getting away with murder and then there's getting away with... 5,000 murders.

Believing it was a conspiracy with no real evidence is a stupid reach made by stupid people.


mate do you know how many people have died in wars in the last 100 years?

100s of millions.

Stop being naive.

drop in the pot.

[highwhey]

Convincing argument.

There's getting away with murder and then there's getting away with... 5,000 murders.

Believing it was a conspiracy with no real evidence is a stupid reach made by stupid people.
https://i.ibb.co/SQ2dsKb/1564192562736.jpg

[AlternativeAcc.]

Are we really supposed to believe one of the most incompetent administrations in US history could pull off one of the biggest mass murders ever with impunity?

:coleman:

[AlternativeAcc.]

mate do you know how many people have died in wars in the last 100 years?

100s of millions.

Stop being naive.

drop in the pot.
Because people have died in wars that means the US killed 5000 of its own people under the guise of a terrorist attack

Sick logic

[tpols]

Because people have died in wars that means the US killed 5000 of its own people under the guise of a terrorist attack

Sick logic


ww2, potato famine, holodomor tell me more mate.

millions sacrificed.

[Proctor]

Convincing argument.

There's getting away with murder and then there's getting away with... 5,000 murders.

Believing it was a conspiracy with no real evidence is a stupid reach made by stupid people.
This.

[FultzNationRISE]

Are we really supposed to believe one of the most incompetent administrations in US history could pull off one of the biggest mass murders ever with impunity?

:coleman:


The neoconservative thinktank Project for the New American Century basically outlined a plan for America to do EVERYTHING it did post-9/11, before 9/11 happened. Numerous members of PNAC were actually IN the Bush foreign policy cabinet. It was even stated in their missive that such goals were unlikely attainable, short of some major national catastrophe.



One of the PNAC's most influential publications was a 90-page report titled Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces, and Resources For a New Century. Citing the PNAC's 1997 Statement of Principles, Rebuilding America's Defenses asserted that the United States should "seek to preserve and extend its position of global leadership" by "maintaining the preeminence of U.S. military forces." The report's primary author was Thomas Donnelly who began living as a transwoman in October 2018, taking the name Giselle. Donald Kagan and Gary Schmitt are credited as project chairmen. It also lists the names of 27 other participants who contributed papers or attended meetings related to the production of the report, six of whom subsequently assumed key defense and foreign policy positions in the Bush administration.[46][47] It suggested that the preceding decade had been a time of peace and stability, which had provided "the geopolitical framework for widespread economic growth" and "the spread of American principles of liberty and democracy." The report warned that "no moment in international politics can be frozen in time; even a global Pax Americana will not preserve itself.

According to the report, current levels of defense spending were insufficient, forcing policymakers "to try ineffectually to "manage" increasingly large risks." The result, it suggested, was a form "paying for today's needs by shortchanging tomorrow's; withdrawing from constabulary missions to retain strength for large-scale wars; "choosing" between presence in Europe or presence in Asia; and so on." All of these, the report asserted, were "bad choices" and "false economies," which did little to promote long-term American interests. "The true cost of not meeting our defense requirements," the report argued, "will be a lessened capacity for American global leadership and, ultimately, the loss of a global security order that is uniquely friendly to American principles and prosperity."[45]

Rebuilding America's Defenses recommended establishing four core missions for US military forces: the defense of the "American homeland," the fighting and winning of "multiple, simultaneous major theatre wars," the performance of "'constabular' duties associated with shaping the security environment" in key regions, and the transformation of US forces "to exploit the 'revolution in military affairs.'" Its specific recommendations included the maintenance of US nuclear superiority, an increase of the active personnel strength of the military from 1.4 to 1.6 million people, the redeployment of US forces to Southeast Europe and Asia, and the "selective" modernization of US forces. The report advocated the cancellation of "roadblock" programs such as the Joint Strike Fighter (which it argued would absorb "exorbitant" amounts of Pentagon funding while providing limited gains), but favored the development of "global missile defenses," and the control of "space and cyberspace," including the creation of a new military service with the mission of "space control." To help achieve these aims, Rebuilding America's Defenses advocated a gradual increase in military and defense spending "to a minimum level of 3.5 to 3.8 percent of gross domestic product, adding $15 billion to $20 billion to total defense spending annually.[45]


[quote]Written before the September 11 attacks, and during political debates of the War in Iraq, a section of Rebuilding America's Defenses entitled "Creating Tomorrow's Dominant Force" became the subject of considerable controversy: "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor."[45] Journalist John Pilger pointed to this passage when he argued that Bush administration had used the events of September 11 as an opportunity to capitalize on long-desired plans.[48]

Some critics went further, asserting that Rebuilding America's Defenses should be viewed as a program for global American hegemony. Writing in Der Spiegel in 2003, Jochen B

[FultzNationRISE]

This.



As if your opinion means shit :roll:

[AlternativeAcc.]

The neoconservative thinktank Project for the New American Century basically outlined a plan for America to do EVERYTHING it did post-9/11, before 9/11 happened. Numerous members of PNAC were actually IN the Bush foreign policy cabinet. It was even stated in their missive that such goals were unlikely attainable, short of some major national catastrophe.









This isn't a bunch of speculative conspiracy stuff like the meme highwhey posted. This is an actual verifiable public document produced and signed by members of the Bush cabinet.

How could anyone be aware of the existence of these documents and actually think the whole thing was just, like, an amazing coincidence!

Neocons came up with all these aims to basically strong arm the world, but the only way to galvanize the American people to support it would be through a major catastrophe, and lo and behold, months after Bush takes office.... a major catastrophe!

I mean... how can anyone be this naive and gullible!??
This is a classic case of correlation doesn't imply causation.


You can't just look at this document and 911 in a vacuum as if there weren't tensions between the US/Iraq long before 911.


Do I think Bush and his administration took advantage of 911 to their benefit? Of course.


Does that mean Bush and his admin concocted an elaborate scheme to kill 5000 US citizens just for the sake of going to war with Iraq? And actually get away with it.. Of course not...


US/Iraq were on a collision course no matter what, 911 just so happened to add jet fuel to the already kindled fire.

[warriorfan]

This is a classic case of correlation doesn't imply causation.


You can't just look at this document and 911 in a vacuum as if there weren't tensions between the US/Iraq long before 911.


Do I think Bush and his administration took advantage of 911 to their benefit? Of course.


Does that mean Bush and his admin concocted an elaborate scheme to kill 5000 US citizens just for the sake of going to war with Iraq? And actually get away with it.. Of course not...


US/Iraq were on a collision course no matter what, 911 just so happened to add jet fuel to the already kindled fire.

It’s not that elaborate of a scheme. Attempt to instigate and fund middle eastern extremist groups and gain intelligence of their plans. Purposely allow their plans to take place (i.e. run training exercises similar to the plan the day of the attack)


On September 11, 2001, the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) was involved in an ongoing operation which involved deploying fighter aircraft to northwestern North America. The U.S. Military and NORAD had also planned to conduct several military exercises and a drill was being held by the National Reconnaissance Office, a Department of Defense agency.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_government_operations_and_exercises_ on_September_11,_2001

[Rocket]

Seriously??? A 9/11 truther thread?? :facepalm :roll:

[TheMan]

This is a classic case of correlation doesn't imply causation.


You can't just look at this document and 911 in a vacuum as if there weren't tensions between the US/Iraq long before 911.


Do I think Bush and his administration took advantage of 911 to their benefit? Of course.


Does that mean Bush and his admin concocted an elaborate scheme to kill 5000 US citizens just for the sake of going to war with Iraq? And actually get away with it.. Of course not...


US/Iraq were on a collision course no matter what, 911 just so happened to add jet fuel to the already kindled fire.
Why do you keep saying 5,000 when it was 3,000 people who were killed on 9/11?

[MaxFly]

Seriously??? A 9/11 truther thread?? :facepalm :roll:

I believe we have one pop up about every year or two. It's ridiculous.


Why do you keep saying 5,000 when it was 3,000 people who were killed on 9/11?

Probably taking into account the number of first responders who have subsequently died from health complications due to their work at Ground Zero.

[ILLsmak]

This is a classic case of correlation doesn't imply causation.


You can't just look at this document and 911 in a vacuum as if there weren't tensions between the US/Iraq long before 911.


Do I think Bush and his administration took advantage of 911 to their benefit? Of course.


Does that mean Bush and his admin concocted an elaborate scheme to kill 5000 US citizens just for the sake of going to war with Iraq? And actually get away with it.. Of course not...


US/Iraq were on a collision course no matter what, 911 just so happened to add jet fuel to the already kindled fire.

What if the elaborate scheme was just ignoring intel? Plausible deniability is big in conspiracies. It's like... you can say how can someone get away with such a thing, but you can have one dude drop some poison in a water source and that can result in thousands of deaths.

I don't think it was a legit surprise attack. 9/11 was like the closest I've ever been to feeling what it probably feels like to be psychotic. It was this kind of ear-ringing feeling that 'something was amiss', things didn't add up. I couldn't and still can't explain it. You could argue that it's just trauma, but I've experienced way more traumatic things than 9/11 and, to be frank, 9/11 had very little personal effect on me other than the fact that it seemed like we, at the very least, let it happen. Which is really a sobering thing to think about, even as a possibility.

The conspiracy axis is like... how much effort would be required to make it happen, how much would there to be to gain if it succeeded, and how much plausible deniability does it allow?

I mean, for instance the housing market crash in 2008 was an extremely devastating event and that could have been something we (or banks) had a hand in, too. That was a super wide reaching phenomenon. Is it just because people died that you don't believe it's possible? I honestly don't see how that makes any difference.

The actual number of deaths don't matter as much as the fact that we let people fly planes into the world trade center. That was the 'action', what happened after was just fallout. That's not the same as 5000 individual murders. It was max four coordinated events. And you only need a few people to hijack a plane.

-Smak

[MaxFly]

I mean, for instance the housing market crash in 2008 was an extremely devastating event and that could have been something we (or banks) had a hand in, too.

The banks did have a hand in the market crash of 2008. They were the central reason for the crash. Check out "collateralized debt obligations" and "mortgage backed securities."

[Norcaliblunt]

Yes, and that

[FultzNationRISE]

This is a classic case of correlation doesn't imply causation.


You can't just look at this document and 911 in a vacuum as if there weren't tensions between the US/Iraq long before 911.


Do I think Bush and his administration took advantage of 911 to their benefit? Of course.


Does that mean Bush and his admin concocted an elaborate scheme to kill 5000 US citizens just for the sake of going to war with Iraq? And actually get away with it.. Of course not...


US/Iraq were on a collision course no matter what, 911 just so happened to add jet fuel to the already kindled fire.


This is fair and I get that, these are not isolated incidents in a vacuum. Terrorism has been around long before 9/11. But when has terrorist activity ever produced a disaster anywhere near the degree of 9/11?

The timeline is jarring. A report is produced in the late 90s by a neocon think tank that states STRAIGHT UP: America should ramp up militarization, create public hysteria about protecting the homeland, engage in satelite wars around the world... and the only way this would be feasible is to suffer a catastrophe on the level of Pearl Harbor.

Bush is elected in 2000 and six of the paper's signatories are in his cabinet. Nine months later... another Pearl Harbor! And instantly all of their foreign policy designs are implemented.



This should at LEAST be cause for much, much greater bipartisan investigation and interrogation of the men who write those papers. These are the most powerful men in the country! They should all be put to lie detectors. But people just accept this shit and go about their lives. The idea of having to think and potentially take over for current leaders? Most people are ordinary rubes, they dont wanna contemplate any of that. If the govt sweeps 9/11 under the rug and says 'let's move on,' joe dumbshit is gonna be like 'yeah, let's just do that. I'm not in a position to find out uncomfortable truths, I'm just a shmuck what I gonna do if I found this stuff out? I'd have to react and question things and shit would be chaotic, I'm not intellectually equipped for that life, so why would I even wanna go there? Rather just stay blind and ignorant.'


:confusedshrug:

[Lakers Legend#32]

If Dubya was the mastermind of 9/11, the planes would have missed.

[ILLsmak]

The banks did have a hand in the market crash of 2008. They were the central reason for the crash. Check out "collateralized debt obligations" and "mortgage backed securities."

I mean in a more nefarious than just 'get rich and exploit' sort of way. As in to reshape our economy.

The greater point is that happened. Sure, people were 'punished', but not really. Changed our economy majorly, a bunch of people got rich. You can compare blaming the banks to our eventual admission that, wait, maybe the Saudis were involved in 9/11.

I was drawing a comparison between two wide-reaching catastrophic events that reshaped our country for the conspiracies don't exist crowd (because apparently 5000 deaths is impossible, but a major collapse of our economy is.)

You can only look at the info and make your own decision. I don't think there's any way to know (anything, really) FOR SURE, but I definitely lean towards us being at least privy to it.

I'm not exactly ready to do the jet fuel doesn't melt steel beams, controlled demolition theory... but it's not so outlandish that it can't be considered. There are some interesting facts that people can cling to, but THAT seems pretty ****ing hard to pull off.

But like I said, the thing I realized during 9/11 was how fragile and gullible people as a whole are. Something like that happens and it just shakes everyone to their core and allows them to be manipulated in whatever way. People were like 'you can't even say long bomb' in football, or whenever you'd say something about 9/11 and our profiting from it, both in war and legislation, people would act like you were committing treason.


If Dubya was the mastermind of 9/11, the planes would have missed.

haha, it's like when we got bin Laden assuming we actually did, or when we hit a strategic airstrike on an important point, it's not like the president has planned that out and is flying the plane or running in with a gun. It's just something he (or maybe he's not even involved?) or someone else in a position of power would sign off on. Like OK, everything is in place, let's do it. It obviously takes a lot more than just Bush's imagination.

-Smak

[Norcaliblunt]

I want to know why there aren’t any in depth documentaries that portray the personalities of the hijackers. I mean all of us know Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, John Gotti, Pablo Escobar, Bonnie and Clyde, etc. But I couldn’t tell you shit about these hijackers.

[Rocket]

The banks did have a hand in the market crash of 2008. They were the central reason for the crash. Check out "collateralized debt obligations" and "mortgage backed securities."

The banks had a hand in it due to Clinton's Community Reinvestment Act which incentivized giving mortgages to people who could not afford them and punished banks that did not.


Under Clinton's Housing and Urban Development (HUD) secretary, Andrew Cuomo, Community Reinvestment Act regulators gave banks higher ratings for home loans made in "credit-deprived" areas. Banks were effectively rewarded for throwing out sound underwriting standards and writing loans to those who were at high risk of defaulting. If banks didn't comply with these rules, regulators reined in their ability to expand lending and deposits.

Link - Are the Clintons the real housing crash villains? (https://www.cnbc.com/2016/05/28/are-the-clintons-the-real-housing-crash-villains.html)

[n00bie]

Are we really supposed to believe one of the most incompetent administrations in US history could pull off one of the biggest mass murders ever with impunity?

:coleman:

Yes because people like you will always be in disbelief. Even with all the evidence presented to you, you probably think it's all just a "coincidence"

So you think the U.S. gov't can't pull this off but a couple of guys living in the mountains of Afghanistan can?

[BarberSchool]

The people who hijacked the planes were Saudi, Egyptian, Emirati, and Lebanese. But he planners were American wasps in govt, American jews in govt, Israeli Mossad agents, Saudi royals/intel, and British MI-6 Intel.

[ROCSteady]

Help correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not super into delving deeper into this but I remember watching Loose Change and they were mentioning how the angle that the plane flew into the Pentagon couldn't have created the damage it did. I'm probably mistaken but I don't remember ever seeing Pentagon footage.

Also, I remember how odd it was the way the buildings collapsed. I'm no physicist or engineer but wasn't there a very damning notion of the building materials and how it fell, demolition style?

[ItsMillerTime]

Help correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not super into delving deeper into this but I remember watching Loose Change and they were mentioning how the angle that the plane flew into the Pentagon couldn't have created the damage it did. I'm probably mistaken but I don't remember ever seeing Pentagon footage.

Also, I remember how odd it was the way the buildings collapsed. I'm no physicist or engineer but wasn't there a very damning notion of the building materials and how it fell, demolition style?

Building 7 that was not hit by any planes:

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AccurateEmbellishedErin-size_restricted.gif

Obviously this building lived a great life and expired due to natural causes. :rolleyes:

[ROCSteady]

Yeah see, if that building wasn't hit, I don't buy some kind of shockwave that f**** up that building's foundation.

Just the way it goes down is phony-feeling

[~primetime~]

http://www.wtc7.net/damageclaims.html

^^^ building 7 took massive structural damage from the fall of WTC1, pics in link

If the conspirators had to have that building fall, why didnt they just fly a plane into it? They sure got lucky it took that much damage.


The US Gov didn't want 911 to happen...if I thought they orchestrated it, Id absolutley leave the country.

We had a full fledged war with Iraq (Desert Storm) without a 9/11. Vietnam happened without a 9/11. Our Gov doesnt need to sell us on these things, they don't need massive events to start wars. If they want to occupy land, they'll just do it.

What IS troubling though, is that it's now a proven fact that higher ups within Saudi Arabia were involved and the US is choosing to turn a blind eye to that fact.

[FultzNationRISE]

The stuff about buildings falling and important people calling out of work that day etc is compelling but largely irrelevant. Im not saying it’s all true or it’s all false or whatever in between. But it’s all stuff that isnt necessary to focus on.

Even if the actual attack itself happened as reported, that doesnt negate the strong possibility that the architects of a very unpopular US foreign policy were complicit. Future members of Bush’s cabinet literally said “We NEED a new Pearl Harbor to do this” and 9 months after Bush is elected, it happens. It doesnt mean they helped to execute it and that lots of American officials would have had to know. As someone mentioned, it could be as simple as a couple foreign policy hitmen meet with some Saudi royals and drop the idea, and the Saudis run with it from there and W himself and most others in govt can claim plausible deniability.


Sept 11 produced and justified EVERY unpopular initiative Pnac had drawn up before the attacks happened, just like they said a disaster would be necessary for.


Are muther****ers really this blind???

[FultzNationRISE]

http://www.wtc7.net/damageclaims.html

^^^ building 7 took massive structural damage from the fall of WTC1, pics in link

If the conspirators had to have that building fall, why didnt they just fly a plane into it? They sure got lucky it took that much damage.


The US Gov didn't want 911 to happen...if I thought they orchestrated it, Id absolutley leave the country.

We had a full fledged war with Iraq (Desert Storm) without a 9/11. Vietnam happened without a 9/11. Our Gov doesnt need to sell us on these things, they don't need massive events to start wars. If they want to occupy land, they'll just do it.

What IS troubling though, is that it's now a proven fact that higher ups within Saudi Arabia were involved and the US is choosing to turn a blind eye to that fact.


Yeah except times change. We also had a draft for Vietnam but do you think that would fly today? Wars have become continuously less popular. The 2000s were not the 80s, nor were the 80s the 60s.

[dude77]

desert storm is nothing compared to the 2003 iraqi war .. that lasted months and there was no occupation .. 2003 lasted almost 9 yrs plus occupation and a shitload of deaths .. it transformed a country and an entire region .. and as we found out there were no wmd which was the main point of attacking them .. so wtf did they really go there for .. people buying the 'official' 9/11 story just don't wanna believe that something this demonic is possible from our beloved gubment

[dude77]

looking at that damage on building 7 .. wouldn't it fall in a different way ? like collapsing over to one side initially instead of falling straight down perfectly symmetrical from the get go ?

[~primetime~]

looking at that damage on building 7 .. wouldn't it fall in a different way ? like collapsing over to one side initially instead of falling straight down perfectly symmetrical from the get go ?
Absolutely impossible for a building that giant to fall on its side. Its not made out of legos.


To your other post...2003 war was sold on WMDs morso than 9/11...and if our Gov actually gave a shit about the thoughts bouncing around in our head they'd have simply planted WMDs in Iraq.

9/11 happened almost 20 years ago...in that time the internet has been completely flooded with theories pinning it on the US Gov, all of us have heard them. Our Gov doesn't give the slightest fck about any of it.

[n00bie]

Absolutely impossible for a building that giant to fall on its side. Its not made out of legos.


To your other post...2003 war was sold on WMDs morso than 9/11...and if our Gov actually gave a shit about the thoughts bouncing around in our head they'd have simply planted WMDs in Iraq.

9/11 happened almost 20 years ago...in that time the internet has been completely flooded with theories pinning it on the US Gov, all of us have heard them. Our Gov doesn't give the slightest fck about any of it.

And neither do citizens. Let's be honest here. It doesn't matter that the Gov't did this and got away with it. NO ONE is leaving the U.S. over it. Everyone can bltch about it all they want, but there isn't anything anyone can do about it. You want to start a revolution over this? Good luck with that. You'll "commit suicide" if your campaign gains any traction.

[tpols]

http://www.wtc7.net/damageclaims.html

^^^ building 7 took massive structural damage from the fall of WTC1, pics in link

If the conspirators had to have that building fall, why didnt they just fly a plane into it? They sure got lucky it took that much damage.


The US Gov didn't want 911 to happen...if I thought they orchestrated it, Id absolutley leave the country.

We had a full fledged war with Iraq (Desert Storm) without a 9/11. Vietnam happened without a 9/11. Our Gov doesnt need to sell us on these things, they don't need massive events to start wars. If they want to occupy land, they'll just do it.

What IS troubling though, is that it's now a proven fact that higher ups within Saudi Arabia were involved and the US is choosing to turn a blind eye to that fact.


Dick Cheney is on record saying they needed "another pearl harbor" to ramp up their war efforts in the ME. I'm guessing you bought the weapons of mass destruction line too? ... No offense but you are being a sheep.

[~primetime~]

I hate the Bush Admin and would love to pin this on them, but it's just flat out too unrealistic.

All hoops they'd have to jump through to put on that Broadway Production and then NOT jump through the simple hoop of planting WMDs in Iraq. None of it makes any sense and its far too outlandish.



For those who want to stay grounded in reality...you should look into Saudis and 9/11 instead. And why the US Gov doesn't confront them over it.

[tpols]

I hate the Bush Admin and would love to pin this on them, but it's just flat out too unrealistic.

All hoops they'd have to jump through to put on that Broadway Production and then NOT jump through the simple hoop of planting WMDs in Iraq. None of it makes any sense and its far too outlandish.



For those who want to stay grounded in reality...you should look into Saudis and 9/11 instead. And why the US Gov doesn't confront them over it.


Because they're long time partners... :wtf:

[~primetime~]

Because they're long time partners... :wtf:
Yes...and currently the 9/11 families are fighting for documents in regards to their involvement

[~primetime~]

https://apnews.com/44c4fb1d0fce4edf9a5fc83b0d8b0ef2

[SomeBlackDude]

Do I think Bush and his administration took advantage of 911 to their benefit? Of course.


Does that mean Bush and his admin concocted an elaborate scheme to kill 5000 US citizens just for the sake of going to war with Iraq? And actually get away with it.. Of course not...


US/Iraq were on a collision course no matter what, 911 just so happened to add jet fuel to the already kindled fire.

pretty much, boiled down.

rummy/cheney and the rest of the reagan/bush 1 neocons used puppet dubya to finish the mid east work that began in the late 80s/early 90s (with iraq as the main target).

they didn't conspire to carry out the 9/11 attacks but they used them to their advantage.

they knew bin laden and al qaeda were determined to carry out major attacks in the u.s. involving the hijacking of commercial airliners (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US) and did basically nothing to prevent that.

and eventually they tried to tie the attacks to saddam and iraq... even though saddam's regime and bin laden's movement were natural enemies and would likely never have cooperated in any way. so they settled on the wmd hustle.

[n00bie]

Yes...and currently the 9/11 families are fighting for documents in regards to their involvement

What do those 9/11 families hope to accomplish with those documents? Go to war with the Saudi / U.S. Gov't? :lol

[FultzNationRISE]

pretty much, boiled down.

rummy/cheney and the rest of the reagan/bush 1 neocons used puppet dubya to finish the mid east work that began in the late 80s/early 90s (with iraq as the main target).

they didn't conspire to carry out the 9/11 attacks but they used them to their advantage.

they knew bin laden and al qaeda were determined to carry out major attacks in the u.s. involving the hijacking of commercial airliners (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bin_Ladin_Determined_To_Strike_in_US) and did basically nothing to prevent that.

and eventually they tried to tie the attacks to saddam and iraq... even though saddam's regime and bin laden's movement were natural enemies and would likely never have cooperated in any way. so they settled on the wmd hustle.


So they knew it was going to happen. Wanted to take advantage of the consequences. Then rolled over and allowed it to happen.

I mean are we not on the same page here?

Do we agree that makes them PURPOSEFULLY COMPLICIT in the 9/11 terror attacks?

That

[FultzNationRISE]

Yes...and currently the 9/11 families are fighting for documents in regards to their involvement


So you admit the Saudi elite and the US elite are partners.

The US is obviousoy the much more powerful partner overall.


But you think the Saudis would do some shit like this out of the blue, without US elites approving?

For what reason? To gain what?

What if we decided to go into SA and whoop their ass instead of Iraq? How could they have known we wouldnt?


You wanna talk about realistic. What is realistic about Saudi Arabia randomly doing this to their own partners, who could easily destroy them, for no tangible benefit?

Can you explain??

[SomeBlackDude]

Do we agree that makes them PURPOSEFULLY COMPLICIT in the 9/11 terror attacks?


you can def make a sound argument for this.

dubya was explicitly told what ben laden was planning and more or less how he was planning on executing it... and ole george was like "what's on tv?"

a slight tweak in security protocols at airports most likely would've prevented 9/11... or even the commander-in-chief taking time out of his scheduled public gaffes to put more intelligence agents/resources into tracking down and detaining the al qaeda operatives would've done the trick.

[~primetime~]

I will say that a sector within our Gov allowing it to happen is at least plausible.

Im not saying I personally buy into that...but I will admitt it is at least conceivable. Vs. A full on Broadway Production with actors and intricate bomb riggings etc.

[FultzNationRISE]

This is the shit EVERYONE should be demanding to be covered by major news outlets. A thorough investigation, public interviews with key figures, crucial documents, LIE DETECTORS.

But it’s not gonna happen. If a few isolated individuals pipe up with some legitimate substance on the matter (not just wacky conspiracy misdirection the govt doesnt mind) theyll just get bumped. It would take lots of free thinking, initiative driven people in the public to agitate for this at the same time.


And we know that aint happening in a million years :roll:

[tpols]

Anyone that makes too big a stir about it would get JFK'ed.

[Norcaliblunt]

Big LOL at this dude primetime coming out from lurking to post in a 911 truth thread. Lmao.

[~primetime~]

I've been in the NFL section forever

And in other threads in here actually

Im not sure why I posted in this thread though, this horse has heen beaten to death 100x over. Slow week at work.

[FultzNationRISE]

I've been in the NFL section forever

And in other threads in here actually

Im not sure why I posted in this thread though, this horse has heen beaten to death 100x over. Slow week at work.


You'll get outraged when Orange Man has an extramarital affair or says something goofy on twitter, bc like OMG it's not presidential!!!!!!!!!

Government mafia kills thousands of Americans and steals trillions as a result...

"Guys, we've discussed this before and I'm tired of it. Let's just forget about it already!!!!"


The quintessential American right there.

[~primetime~]

You'll get outraged when Orange Man has an extramarital affair or says something goofy on twitter, bc like OMG it's not presidential!!!!!!!!!

Government mafia kills thousands of Americans and steals trillions as a result...

"Guys, we've discussed this before and I'm tired of it. Let's just forget about it already!!!!"


THAT'S your typical American.
I agree most Americans have their priorities out of wack but this topic its been 19 years...and its been talked about heavily and analyzed from every angle possible. Its not like everyone just looked the other way.

[tpols]

You'll get outraged when Orange Man has an extramarital affair or says something goofy on twitter, bc like OMG it's not presidential!!!!!!!!!

Government mafia kills thousands of Americans and steals trillions as a result...

"Guys, we've discussed this before and I'm tired of it. Let's just forget about it already!!!!"


The quintessential American right there.


:roll: :roll:

[dude77]

So you admit the Saudi elite and the US elite are partners.

The US is obviousoy the much more powerful partner overall.


But you think the Saudis would do some shit like this out of the blue, without US elites approving?

For what reason? To gain what?

What if we decided to go into SA and whoop their ass instead of Iraq? How could they have known we wouldnt?


You wanna talk about realistic. What is realistic about Saudi Arabia randomly doing this to their own partners, who could easily destroy them, for no tangible benefit?

Can you explain??

boom checkmate lol

[dude77]

also, I saw gabbard on tv yesterday talking about this .. about pushing to release documents on saudi arabia and 9/11 .. ol girl trying to get murked or what lol oh nevermind saw primetime posted the link .. but yeah what's the purpose of her bringing this up now .. I like it but wonder why

[Doomsday Dallas]

You guys aren't going deep enough down the rabbit hole:



https://theplaylist.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/the-walk-136528.jpg

You'll Find Out in 30 Years
(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1ULjJ3EqyY)

https://www.reddirtreport.com/sites/default/files/styles/article-featured-large/public/articles/2015/07/images/marty2015.jpg

[Hawker]

I've been in the NFL section forever

And in other threads in here actually

Im not sure why I posted in this thread though, this horse has heen beaten to death 100x over. Slow week at work.

Dude those threads with you and dooms back in the day were epic time wasters.

Hows your boy doing these days anyway? :lol

[~primetime~]

Dude those threads with you and dooms back in the day were epic time wasters.

Hows your boy doing these days anyway? :lol
Yeah I really don't need to repeat that, probably why I posted in here, its ingrained in me.

We're good though playin some fantasy football in the NFL Section.


Anyway...back to my hole! Later Hawk!

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QJJVzK_dOY

(published 9-1-2019)

^ video goes in to full detail of how it all began on the internet. Worth a watch.

I still remember 2007, when Mark Cuban was trying going to produce a Loose Change video:


Cuban was reportedly interested in distributing through Magnolia an edition of the film Loose Change, which posits a 9/11 conspiracy theory, with Charlie Sheen narrating. Cuban told the New York Post, "We are having discussions about distributing the existing video with Charlie's involvement as a narrator, not in making a new feature. We are also looking for productions with an opposing viewpoint. We like controversial subjects, but we are agnostic to which side the controversy comes from."


but yea.... back to the blue pill, that's my last comment on the subject