will legot james bring a title to the Lkaers?

[Mr. Jabbar]

im willing to forgive some of his previous shortcomings if he can bring a title to lal

[ArbitraryWater]

oh, not just one


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[STATUTORY]

Lebron was 0 for 6 from 3's and 5 for 10 from free throw line against Spurs

the magic eightball says NO

[Bosnian Sajo]

No, but he sure will help AD carry it :cheers:

[hiphopanonymous]

Hopefully he does. A superteam has been assembled accordingly for LA to sort of force this to work which is what he needs but that's never a guarantee as he still has a losing record in the Finals with superteams. I'd like for LA to win one though, my favorite team historically speaking :applause:

[red1]

welcome back OP. big fan of yours. :eek: :cheers:



best punching bag I ever had :banana:

[StrongLurk]

Lebron bringing a title to LA seems too surreal to ever happen, especially considering his age.

Most likely scenario is a 2nd round loss this year and more questions about how long he can continue to play at an all-star level.

[FultzNationRISE]

You better be being serious this time OP. You understand me?

You better be ALL. IN. on King James The Hung.



Or else I’ll come see you, and that’s gonna be problems.

[RRR3]

Hopefully he does. A superteam has been assembled accordingly for LA to sort of force this to work which is what he needs but that's never a guarantee as he still has a losing record in the Finals with superteams. I'd like for LA to win one though, my favorite team historically speaking :applause:
Lmao. “Cavs fan” doe

[hiphopanonymous]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Lmao.

[RRR3]

That's my favorite team and hometown team of course but historically speaking - all of league history, I like the Lakers, what's wrong with that?
No real Cavs fan hates on LeBron.


You’re a salty Wilt stan. :confusedshrug:

[hiphopanonymous]

No real Cavs fan hates on LeBron.


You’re a salty Wilt stan. :confusedshrug:
Ever even been to Cavs fan territory to make such a remark? People aren't obsessed with LeBron around here in some uncritical way. It's a sports town, they're obsessed with Cleveland sports in general and get very critical when teams or players aren't playing well. I watched the guy play for over a decade he's a great player but he has a certain way of playing that IMO was offputting many times and also did not help develop or compliment certain types of players and I'm not the only person who points these things out when I talk basketball - in person - to other actual Cavs basketball fans in my area. It's a common talk track actually.

He tended to drain the shot clock and turn bigs into lob specialists or spot up shooters, and he needs established stars to thrive - tell me how that isn't a fair criticism? You telling me you don't observe the same exact thing? He plays great with a big if a big already WAS a lob specialist (IE McGee or TT)... coincidence? He can make title runs... with lots of help. From specific player profiles. When you play LeBron ball you have to conform to him or it doesn't work he doesn't gel with just anyone.

[RRR3]

Ever even been to Cavs fan territory to make such a remark? People aren't obsessed with LeBron around here in some uncritical way. It's a sports town, they're obsessed with Cleveland sports in general and get very critical when teams or players aren't playing well. I watched the guy play for over a decade he's a great player but he has a certain way of playing that IMO was offputting many times and also did not help develop or compliment certain types of players and I'm not the only person who points these things out when I talk basketball - in person - to other actual Cavs basketball fans in my area. It's a common talk track actually.

He tended to drain the shot clock and turn bigs into lob specialists or spot up shooters - tell me how that isn't a fair criticism? You telling me you don't observe the same exact thing? He plays great with a big if a big already WAS a lob specialist (IE McGee or TT)... coincidence?
Except you obsessively hate on LeBron and almost never give him credit. Find me a legitimate Cavs fan who does that.

[FultzNationRISE]

Ever even been to Cavs fan territory to make such a remark? People aren't obsessed with LeBron around here in some uncritical way. It's a sports town, they're obsessed with Cleveland sports in general and get very critical when teams or players aren't playing well. I watched the guy play for over a decade he's a great player but he has a certain way of playing that IMO was offputting many times and also did not help develop or compliment certain types of players and I'm not the only person who points these things out when I talk basketball - in person - to other actual Cavs basketball fans in my area. It's a common talk track actually.

He tended to drain the shot clock and turn bigs into lob specialists or spot up shooters - tell me how that isn't a fair criticism? You telling me you don't observe the same exact thing? He plays great with a big if a big already WAS a lob specialist (IE McGee or TT)... coincidence?


Which bigs would that be?

Anderson Varejao? Did Lebron impede the limitless potential of his post game?

Big Z? I dont recall Z throwing down a lot of alley oops or camping the three point line when he played with Bron. Was 33 year old Z with a foot injury a big pick n roll specialist who was limited by Bran? Did Z get Cleveland very far without Lebron?

Drew Gooden? He seemed to get a pretty decent amount of post touches in Cleveland, considering the mediocre caliber of player he was.

Kevin Love? Hed already started shooting 3s in Minny before getting to Cleveland. You didnt realize that?


Like youre literally just making things up.

[FultzNationRISE]

Except you obsessively hate on LeBron and almost never give him credit. Find me a legitimate Cavs fan who does that.


Ill take it from here, you can shut up and go away now.

[hiphopanonymous]

Except you obsessively hate on LeBron and almost never give him credit. Find me a legitimate Cavs fan who does that.
Coworkers of mine say the exact same things I do - frequently - I don't know where you're from but I assure you around here people are not all obsessed with LeBron - is that such a big deal?

[RRR3]

Coworkers of mine say the exact same things I do - frequently - I don't know where you're from but I assure you around here people are not all obsessed with LeBron - is that such a big deal?
Except you’re obsessed with LeBron :confusedshrug:

You talk about him more than any other player on this account.

[hiphopanonymous]

Which bigs would that be?

Anderson Varejao? Did Lebron impede the limitless potential of his post game?

Big Z? I dont recall Z throwing down a lot of alley oops or camping the three point line when he played with Bron. Was 33 year old Z with a foot injury a big pick n roll specialist who was limited by Bran? Did Z get Cleveland very far without Lebron?

Drew Gooden? He seemed to get a pretty decent amount of post touches in Cleveland, considering the mediocre caliber of player he was.

Kevin Love? Hed already started shooting 3s in Minny before getting to Cleveland. You didnt realize that?


Like youre literally just making things up.
You kinda just reinforced my point :oldlol:

All these guys stayed out of the paint for LeBron - as bigs need to learn to do to allow him to score

[RRR3]

Stats don

[hiphopanonymous]

Except you’re obsessed with LeBron :confusedshrug:

You talk about him more than any other player on this account.
Dare I say you may be the one who is obsessed with him? You seem to seek any minor criticism and act incredulous when you read it. No player is perfect. You like his brand of basketball? Great, keep on liking it. You have your orange, I'll take an apple.

[RRR3]

Dare I say you may be the one who is obsessed with him? You seem to seek any minor criticism and act incredulous when you read it. No player is perfect. You like his brand of basketball? Great, keep on liking it. You have your orange, I'll take an apple.
Everyone already knows I’m a LeBron stan, buddy. Do you think you uncovered some secret? And I’ve criticized LeBron plenty over my time on ISH, but my criticisms are legitimate (FT shooting, passivity at times, etc) and not irrational, ungrateful hating.

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Except you

[RRR3]

Dude...you're the last one to talk lol. Seriously. The only time you aren't posting about LeBron is when you're defending your tranny fetish.
Shut your bitch ass up. You’d defend Kobe’s ***** size.

[hiphopanonymous]

Everyone already knows I’m a LeBron stan, buddy. Do you think you uncovered some secret? And I’ve criticized LeBron plenty over my time on ISH, but my criticisms are legitimate (FT shooting, passivity at times, etc) and not irrational, ungrateful hating.
I'd caution using words like 'stan' - with pride. I won't even call you a stan man, I get it you're a fan of LeBron no big deal. I think he's a great player he just doesn't play the game the way I feel like it should be played. I feel like if he made some adjustments his teammates could shine more. He's got room to improve, still, in my opinion. You should think that's a good thing if anything as it means if he figures some of this stuff out like feeding bigs early and patiently waiting for an entry pass reset or a spot up opportunity himself, his career could go on even longer. I'd also like to see him play off-ball more as he gets older like he did at times in Miami. You call it hating, it's just the way I see the game.

[FultzNationRISE]

You kinda just reinforced my point :oldlol:

All these guys stayed out of the paint for LeBron - as bigs need to learn to do to allow him to score


So the Cavs needed Anderson Varejao to play more back-to-the-basket in the paint? Got it.

Z and Gooden must have had a lot of success in the NBA without Lebron, since they could maximize their DOMINANCE as post presence players.

Kevin Love got the ball anywhere he wanted in Minny. Never played in a single playoff game.


Those guys only ever sniffed a finals because of “Lebron ball.”

Youre clearly hating just to hate. Dont convince yourself it’s anything more than that.

[hiphopanonymous]

So the Cavs needed Anderson Varejao to play more back-to-the-basket in the paint? Got it.

Z and Gooden must have had a lot of success in the NBA without Lebron, since they could maximize their DOMINANCE as post presence players.

Kevin Love got the ball anywhere he wanted in Minny. Never played in a single playoff game.


Those guys only ever sniffed a finals because of “Lebron ball.”

Youre clearly hating just to hate. Dont convince yourself it’s anything more than that.
So just so we're clear even though I never can tell if you're ever serious as many of your posts are satire - the players I had in mind with when I've noticed his long term aversion to feeding the post with either enough frequency, or time on the clock when I thought there were times he should have were when he was playing with:

Shaq
Bosh
Love

and now I'm getting the impression he's doing it with Davis.

These are players who are very capable in the post, who can benefit from early entry passes and an offense patterned around dumping it in and movement off the ball - which is not LeBron's style as he likes to control the ball up top. He likes high screen and rolls and often these guys are so good they'll oblige - and Bosh and Love (and now Davis) could also shoot long 2's or 3's to keep the floor stretched. But I feel like too much of that takes away from a core contribution they can make from inside out. The problem lies in that that requires time and space in the same area LeBron likes time and space when he plays downhill and the frequency he sits up top draining the clock despite a post player hand-up in place implies to me he doesn't like that option - he likes to waive bigs out or if the big just plants down low he just gives it to them late forcing a bad shot so he can have an excuse to set them aside and ask them to clear out next possession.

If you'd like to counter that you may, I just didn't want to get at risk to become straw man turning it into a question of force-feeding players clearly not in that mold like an Andy V. It's when playing with ones who obviously it was a good idea to feed, that I've noticed these habits.

[bullettooth]

Anthony Davis might bring them a chip. LeBron is too old, too slow and too bald.

[FultzNationRISE]

So just so we're clear even though I never can tell if you're ever serious as many of your posts are satire - the players I had in mind with when I've noticed his long term aversion to feeding the post with either enough frequency, or time on the clock when I thought there were times he should have were when he was playing with:

Shaq
Bosh
Love




This dude listed the 35 y/o, 450 lb Cavs version of Shaq as a player held back by Lebron

[warriorfan]

This dude listed the 35 y/o, 450 lb Cavs version of Shaq as a player held back by Lebron

What about the other two?

[dazzer87]

LeGoat got this. No more excuses the pieces are there....Lebron stans have some faith.....:facepalm

[hiphopanonymous]

This dude listed the 35 y/o, 450 lb Cavs version of Shaq as a player held back by Lebron
Yes, this dude listed the past-his prime HOFer for this specific reason;

Shaq at that time was no longer capable let alone the force he once was in the odd transition, offensive rebound, or even catching lobs role. He lost that although I'll say he was about 350lbs that season according to the "Shaq vs" show but no matter, he was clearly older and less mobile and effective in those facets of the game.

He also could never "stretch the floor"

But the one thing he could do EVERY TIME - was crush his defender in the post. He never lost that.

But that's the first time I noticed LeBron had an aversion or just maybe a lack of awareness as to how and when to feed bigs that need touches in the post.

I like how pointing this out all you can do is act incredulous. If Shaq is on your team and you're trying to play the role of ball handler don't you want to utilize what he's good for? Or should Shaq have just stayed out of the paint and done... what exactly... been a spot up shooter?

LeBron had the option to attempt to get the most out of his teammates that can operate in the post, he could choose to try to adjust to any teammate regardless of their role, but if their role doesn't suit him he often opts to just force trades or jump ship for better teammates instead of adjusting to them. It's a fair criticism. Does it mean you guys can't appreciate him if he plays how you love the game? No go ahead and idolize him it doesn't bother me one bit. I just don't understand why me pointing this out bothers you all so much. You guys can deny it until you're blue in the face, he doesn't adjust to teammates he makes them adjust to him, it's what I've seen with my own eyes.

[FultzNationRISE]

Yes, this dude listed the past-his prime HOFer for this specific reason;

Shaq at that time was no longer capable in transition, and was only limited capacity for catching lobs. He lost that.

He could never "stretch the floor"

But the one thing he could do EVERY TIME - was crush his defender in the post. He never lost that.

But that's the first time I noticed LeBron had an aversion or just maybe a lack of awareness as to how and when to feed bigs that need touches in the post.

I like how pointing this out all you can do is act incredulous. If Shaq is on your team and you're trying to play the role of ball handler don't you want to utilize what he's good for? Or should Shaq have just stayed out of the paint and done... what exactly... been a spot up shooter?

LeBron had the option to attempt to get the most out of his teammates, regardless of their role, but if their role doesn't suit him he often opts to just force trades or jump ship for better teammates instead of adjusting to them which many other all-time greats did. It's a fair criticism. Does it mean you guys can't appreciate him if he plays how you love the game? No go ahead and idolize him it doesn't bother me one bit. I just don't understand why me pointing this out bothers you all so much. You guys can deny it until you're blue in the face, he doesn't adjust to teammates he makes them adjust to him, it's what I've seen with my own eyes.


He was not prime Shaq in the post. He couldnt beat dudes with size AND quickness anymore. He was just an oversized bulldozer. The Cavs werent gonna ride him to a championship.

Was his experience with the 07 Heat, 08 Suns, 10 Celtics etc any better?

Did those teams have a lot of success trying to use him as “prime shaq” in the post?

Dude was a journeyman by that point. Why didnt Wade, Nash, and Rondo get more out of him if he was still such a beast in the paint?

[RRR3]

Yes, this dude listed the past-his prime HOFer for this specific reason;

Shaq at that time was no longer capable let alone the force he once was in the odd transition, offensive rebound, or even catching lobs role. He lost that although I'll say he was about 350lbs that season according to the "Shaq vs" show but no matter, he was clearly older and less mobile and effective in those facets of the game.

He also could never "stretch the floor"

But the one thing he could do EVERY TIME - was crush his defender in the post. He never lost that.

But that's the first time I noticed LeBron had an aversion or just maybe a lack of awareness as to how and when to feed bigs that need touches in the post.

I like how pointing this out all you can do is act incredulous. If Shaq is on your team and you're trying to play the role of ball handler don't you want to utilize what he's good for? Or should Shaq have just stayed out of the paint and done... what exactly... been a spot up shooter?

LeBron had the option to attempt to get the most out of his teammates that can operate in the post, he could choose to try to adjust to any teammate regardless of their role, but if their role doesn't suit him he often opts to just force trades or jump ship for better teammates instead of adjusting to them. It's a fair criticism. Does it mean you guys can't appreciate him if he plays how you love the game? No go ahead and idolize him it doesn't bother me one bit. I just don't understand why me pointing this out bothers you all so much. You guys can deny it until you're blue in the face, he doesn't adjust to teammates he makes them adjust to him, it's what I've seen with my own eyes.
Unfortunately for you there is no statistical evidence that LeBron hurt Big Z or Gooden’s games. I’m fact it looks like he made them more efficient while still scoring at similar rates. Shaq in his penultimate year is a lame ass example.