Jordan never won a championship without an All-Star or All-NBA teammate....

[Gus Hemmingway]

Pip was All-NBA in 1991 and 1998


Meanwhile LeBron won in 2016 without any All-stars or All-NBA teammates :eek:

[DoctorP]

the commissioner's meddling was an all-nba teammate.

https://media.giphy.com/media/6EmxkV0ds3e9L7gKij/giphy.gif

[Hittin_Shots]

Irving would of been an all star if he wasn't injured for 26 of the first games and then playing himself back into form for the rest of the lead to the all star break.

[Rico2016]

Irving would of been an all star if he wasn't injured for 26 of the first games and then playing himself back into form for the rest of the lead to the all star break.

All NBA though?

[BarberSchool]

Jordan never won a free Al's Beef with hot giardinera, by watching the bulls score a hunnid from cheap seats either.
Nor did your sack lickin threads ever win in the court of public opinion son.

[sportjames23]

Jordan never won a free Al's Beef with hot giardinera, by watching the bulls score a hunnid from cheap seats either.
Nor did your sack lickin threads ever win in the court of public opinion son.

Savagery. :bowdown:

[AirBonner]

Savagery. :bowdown:
2016

[FKAri]

2016
He's a man of his word he said. If that word is "bitch" that is.

[RRR3]

He's a man of his word he said. If that word is "bitch" that is.
:roll:

[Rico2016]

Savagery. :bowdown:

Hey wait a min arent you this guy

https://i.postimg.cc/wTqLqW76/SportJamesOwned.png

[Duncan21formvp]

Jordan won for the franchise that drafted him. Lebron had to join forces with Shaq and then Wade in order to win in the city that Wade brought a title to.

[Duncan21formvp]

Hey wait a min arent you this guy

https://i.postimg.cc/wTqLqW76/SportJamesOwned.png
That's if he won without the suspension happening, the starting center for GS not going out and Iggy not being hurt. Also Kyrie not outplaying Curry. Hell any alltime great would have swept G.S that year had they had a player who outplayed the other teams best player in the series.

[SouBeachTalents]

He's a man of his word he said. If that word is "bitch" that is.
:oldlol:

[Sarcastic]

Pippen made All Defense team not All NBA, in 1991.

[Andrei89]

That's if he won without the suspension happening, the starting center for GS not going out and Iggy not being hurt. Also Kyrie not outplaying Curry. Hell any alltime great would have swept G.S that year had they had a player who outplayed the other teams best player in the series.


Bitchmade beta cuck detected

What the F are even those excuses OMEGALOL :roll:

[SsKSpurs21]

Pip was All-NBA in 1991 and 1998


Meanwhile LeBron won in 2016 without any All-stars or All-NBA teammates :eek:

so did

Hakeem - 1994
Duncan - 2003
Dirk - 2011

[Hey Yo]

Irving would of been an all star if he wasn't injured for 26 of the first games and then playing himself back into form for the rest of the lead to the all star break.
There's been players in the past that have missed more games yet still got voted to the All-Star game.

[Hey Yo]

Pippen made All Defense team not All NBA, in 1991.
No difference.

Your still being named as a top 2-3 player in the league at your position.

[Mr Feeny]

No difference.

Your still being named as a top 2-3 player in the league at your position.

We know that you're dumb, but there's no way you're this dumb.

Go log on to another alt.

[guy]

No difference.

Your still being named as a top 2-3 player in the league at your position.

Ummm there

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=guy]Ummm there

[Hey Yo]

We know that you're dumb, but there's no way you're this dumb.

Go log on to another alt.
Says the dumbass who thought the term "Ordan" was a reference to his defense.

[guy]

He wasn't considered a top 2 defender in the league, at his position, for multiple seasons?

He was, but he wasn’t considered anywhere close to a top 2 player at his position, which is what you said. Assuming we’re talking about Tony Allen here.

You can’t equate all-defensive teams to all-nba or even legit all-star appearances. Makes no sense to do that given some of the players that win it.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=guy]He was, but he wasn

[ImKobe]

No difference.

Your still being named as a top 2-3 player in the league at your position.

Keep moving the goal posts, Bran stans.

Pippen was somehow given All-NBA 3rd team (I guess because there were no great SFs that year) in 1998, despite missing 38 games. Jordan at 35 led a team to 62 wins and won MVP with his 2nd best player missing 38 games, let that sink in.

[guy]

When I said top 2-3 player at your position I meant there's 3 All-NBA teams and 2 All-Defensive teams that you can be named to. Pippen was named All-Defense in 1991 which means he was considered a top 2 defender in the league at his position.

All-defensive team is the same making an All-NBA team..... both are recognizing you for your great play "throughout the entire season" compared to an All-Star which is based basically on a half season. You could be an All-star then miss the rest of the season with an injury a week later. We both know there's been players to make the All-star team who have no business being there.

Making All-NBA / Defensive teams is more impressive than being voted to the All-Star game.

All-defensive only counts for one aspect of the game. All-NBA account for overall play. There

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=guy]All-defensive only counts for one aspect of the game. All-NBA account for overall play. There

[guy]

So why do players get named for All-NBA and All-Defensive teams in the same season? Happened to Pippen for like 7-8 straight seasons.

Steph, Nash etc..etc... play(ed) below avg. defense but were named to one of the 3 All-NBA teams due to the combination of their offense and defense?

I mean it’s literally implied by the title of the honor and we don’t have “All-Offensive” teams.

Probably because players can have a much larger individual impact offensively then defensively to the point that you would still take them over many 2-way players. Tony Allen in his defensive prime does not come close to Steph or Nash in their MVP seasons.

Doesn’t mean defense isn’t just as important - just that its much more dependent on coaching and guys have to rely way more on each other vs offense where it usually relies heavily around 1-2 guys and 1 guy can carry/ takeover for a team offensively, which doesn’t happen nearly to the same degree by an individual on defense.

So you wouldn’t equate Varejao with Gasol in 2010 right?

[superduper]

Oh look another one of the same threads that has been made 50x before with the exact same troll ass premise won't be locked for whatever strange reason

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=guy][B]I mean it

[guy]

If you make both teams in the same season, then you're being recognized for both ends of the floor. You're considered as one of the great players in the league. Superstar status or very close to it.

Being recognized for one or the other shows what you're more skilled at, offense or defense. If you make all-defense it doesn't automatically mean your offense sucks or vice versa it just means you're better at one aspect and that's what you're asked to concentrate on.

No.... I wouldn't equate Varejao with Gasol. But voters must have thought Andy's defense far outweighed Stat's and Bogut's offense AND defense combined, due to neither of them to make All-defense after making 2nd and 3rd team All-NBA that season.

Bottom line.... Pippen was considered one of the top defenders in the league in 1991. I'd rather have that on my team then none at all.

There has been plenty of guys that never made an all-defensive team but consistently made all-nba teams that are considered superstars. You don’t need to make all-defensive also to validate that. Magic, Barkley, Hill, Penny, AI, Nash, Curry, Durant, Harden etc all come to mind.

The NBA has never said all-nba is for just offense. Neither have voters. And I’m sure you can find articles about someone’s all-nba selection where they mention defense. Dwight Howard wasn’t consistently making first team over Amare and Yao solely because of his offense.

I don’t understand how you’re Varejeo comment makes any sense. And No one in their right mind thought he was a better player then Amare that year and I don’t know how that means his defense alone was considered better then Amare’s overall game.

[Hey Yo]

There has been plenty of guys that never made an all-defensive team but consistently made all-nba teams that are considered superstars. You don’t need to make all-defensive also to validate that. Magic, Barkley, Hill, Penny, AI, Nash, Curry, Durant, Harden etc all come to mind.

The NBA has never said all-nba is for just offense. Neither have voters. And I’m sure you can find articles about someone’s all-nba selection where they mention defense. Dwight Howard wasn’t consistently making first team over Amare and Yao solely because of his offense.

I don’t understand how you’re Varejeo comment makes any sense. And No one in their right mind thought he was a better player then Amare that year and I don’t know how that means his defense alone was considered better then Amare’s overall game.
All the guys you mentioned made teams mostly due to their offense. I highly doubt their defense was taken into consideration when deciding to vote them to the All-NBA team.

You made it sound clear cut and dry that NBA specifies that a players combined offense and defense is used whether he gets votes of not to make an All-NBA team.

All I'm saying is that if both aspects were strictly being used to base whether you get votes or not, then there wouldn't be a need an All-defensive team or players allowed to make both teams in the same season.

Safe to say that 95% of the time you make an All-NBA team, it's due to your offense more than your defense. That's why I look at All-NBA as an offensive recognition and All-defense as a defensive. If you make both, then you're a pretty good player, but their are incidences where voters make your head shake when it comes to All-defense.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Gileraracer]

Pip was All-NBA in 1991 and 1998


Meanwhile LeBron won in 2016 without any All-stars or All-NBA teammates :eek:

You forgot Adam Silver Simon....

[guy]

All the guys you mentioned made teams mostly due to their offense. I highly doubt their defense was taken into consideration when deciding to vote them to the All-NBA team.

You made it sound clear cut and dry that NBA specifies that a players combined offense and defense is used whether he gets votes of not to make an All-NBA team.

All I'm saying is that if both aspects were strictly being used to base whether you get votes or not, then there wouldn't be a need an All-defensive team or players allowed to make both teams in the same season.

Safe to say that 95% of the time you make an All-NBA team, it's due to your offense more than your defense. That's why I look at All-NBA as an offensive recognition and All-defense as a defensive. If you make both, then you're a pretty good player, but their are incidences where voters make your head shake when it comes to All-defense.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

What I

[Rocket]

Anyone old enough to have seen both players play in there primes would not make such a stupid thread. :facepalm

[rmt]

Pip was All-NBA in 1991 and 1998


Meanwhile LeBron won in 2016 without any All-stars or All-NBA teammates :eek:

So? Duncan won FOUR championships without an All-NBA teammate.

[Manny98]

Hey wait a min arent you this guy

https://i.postimg.cc/wTqLqW76/SportJamesOwned.png
:roll: :roll: :roll: