Mexican Cartel kills 9 Americans including 6 children.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-citizens-killed-kidnapped-in-cartel-shootout-outside-northern-mexican-mormon-community-family



At least six children and three women living in a faith-based community of U.S. citizens in Mexico were shot to death Monday in the northern part of the country, and six more children were wounded after their convoy came under fire during a brazen daylight ambush believed to have been carried out by gunmen affiliated with the cartels.

Alfonso Durazo, Mexico's top security official, confirmed the six deaths, adding that six more children were wounded in the attack, with five transferred to hospitals in Phoenix, Ariz.

He had indicated that one child was still missing, although relatives later appeared to indicate that the girl, Mckenzie Langford, age 9, who had been grazed in the arm by a bullet and had gone for help only to get lost in the dark, was eventually found.


Sad.

I guess since the victims were White, this is why posters like TheMan and highweight are mysteriously quiet about this.

[dude77]

if they're gonna be targeting innocent civilians now, shit just got real and they need to be destroyed .. every last one of them .. make em scared to even think about becoming a cartel member .. trump called on mexico to 'wipe them off the face of the earth' .. he's got the right idea .. but from what I hear the new president is an absolute wimp and he's not interested in tackling that problem

[SomeBlackDude]

that seems... extreme for a random act of violence. sounds personal.


a brazen daylight ambush believed to have been carried out by gunmen affiliated with the cartels.

which cartel was it? are they known for just massacring people, including small children, for no reason?

i see the mormon sect members had dual citizenship in mexico/'murrica.

is it possible they were running drugs for the cartel?

:confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Mexico is a cowardly country that they still have cartels operating freely within that country with no fear of being stopped by the government.

You don't hear of cartels operating freely in other countries with the exception of the usual suspects. This has been going on for damn near 40 years now. Pathetic excuse of a country that they can't police their own.

[dude77]

they said on the news that it was a conflict between two cartels and they got caught in the middle .. that's not passing the smell test .. yeah that looks like something very personal but who knows

[SomeBlackDude]

they said on the news that it was a conflict between two cartels and they got caught in the middle

would make sense if the mormons were running drugs for one cartel and a rival cartel massacred them as a message.

personally don't see what a business org, even an illegal one, would get out of the random slaughter of children.

but i'm sure more info will come out soon.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/11/931/524/mexico-ambush-victim-1.jpg

[dude77]

I've never seen any gov official, let alone a president talk like this .. talking about eliminating them and hinting they can take them out with 'an army' .. yep that's exactly what has to happen .. too bad it won't be done but they could if they wanted to .. the cartels are no match for the United States Military

https://i.ibb.co/KLh9Myy/sdfgfd.png (https://imgbb.com/)

[dude77]

would make sense if the mormons were running drugs for one cartel and a rival cartel massacred them as a message.

personally don't see what a business org, even an illegal one, would get out of the random slaughter of children.

but i'm sure more info will come out soon.

that would make sense yeah .. well we'll see what comes out

[SomeBlackDude]

that would make sense yeah .. well we'll see what comes out

would make perfect sense.


La Mora settlement, which is located about 70 miles south of Douglas, Ariz.


The victims were all reportedly dual Mexican and U.S. citizens and were traveling back to the U.S. when they were ambushed, according to Utah's KUTV.

everyone has dual citizenship so they could go in and out of mexico with no problems. their commune or whatever it was is only 70 miles from the border and not too far from tuscon, phoenix, el paso.

last people the feds would expect would be a nice looking family of mormons.

that's gotta be a cartel's dream smugglers.

but we'll wait till more comes out.

[highwhey]

Mexico is a cowardly country that they still have cartels operating freely within that country with no fear of being stopped by the government.

You don't hear of cartels operating freely in other countries with the exception of the usual suspects. This has been going on for damn near 40 years now. Pathetic excuse of a country that they can't police their own.
they operate freely all over the US. coke and meth are mostly imported from Mexico to the US. nice try.

RIP to the family, but everyone down there knows you were most likely involved in some capacity with the cartel and so you ended up dead. this is a sad truth for many people.

[SomeBlackDude]

Vice News 2012- The Mexican Mormon War (Drug Cartels vs. Mormons Full Length) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc)

[Patrick Chewing]

they operate freely all over the US. coke and meth are mostly imported from Mexico to the US. nice try.

RIP to the family, but everyone down there knows you were most likely involved in some capacity with the cartel and so you ended up dead. this is a sad truth for many people.


There aren't cartels with compounds with hundreds of armed guards in the United States. This is a Mexico problem. And Mexico alone.

[highwhey]

There aren't cartels with compounds with hundreds of armed guards in the United States. This is a Mexico problem. And Mexico alone.
whatever you need to tell yourself buddy, all the billions come from the US. weapons, from the US. marines getting caught moving dope for the cartel. DHS. a lot of US feds seem to be in bed with the cartel.

[dude77]

Several LeBaron family members, many of whom live in Utah, took to social media following the massacre and described horrific scenes, including how gunmen opened fire on one child running away while others burned to death inside a car that was torched.

Other young children managed to escape and hide by the roadside while one of the mothers was shot in the chest as she put her hands up to surrender. Relatives fear some of the victims may have been raped.

One family member has described how a boy managed to hide his wounded siblings - some less than a year old - in bushes before he ran back to their community to get help after his mother was gunned down.

...

[dude77]

these people don't play by any rules .. it's whatever it takes to whomever .. men, women, children, babies .. doesn't matter

[highwhey]

...
sounds very gruesome, unfortunatley, trump supporters refuse to believe that America is funding and equipping these burtal massacres.

watch that video Don linked, they show a trailer full of ammunition the government caught a Dallas man trying to sneak into Mexico, it was 250,000 estimated bullets. the video goes into a forensic warehouse with all types of machine guns and automatic rifles confiscated, they literally show an arsenal of them...ALL imported from America.

GUNS. MONEY. MILITARY EQUIPMENT, all from America.

[dude77]

I believe it .. corruption's everywhere .. but all of the military can't be corrupt .. there's gotta be some people that aren't with this bullshit

but the thing is the money .. that damn money is king and when we're talking billions it's gonna stop a lot of people from doing anything

[highwhey]

these people don't play by any rules .. it's whatever it takes to whomever .. men, women, children, babies .. doesn't matter
that;s why you don't get in bed with the cartels. seems like this specific family has history with the cartel, so it's looking like it was not random.

[Patrick Chewing]

As I figured, the blame goes elsewhere versus the actual people that pulled the trigger. Pathetic. Cowards. :facepalm

[Hawker]

sounds very gruesome, unfortunatley, trump supporters refuse to believe that America is funding and equipping these burtal massacres.

watch that video Don linked, they show a trailer full of ammunition the government caught a Dallas man trying to sneak into Mexico, it was 250,000 estimated bullets. the video goes into a forensic warehouse with all types of machine guns and automatic rifles confiscated, they literally show an arsenal of them...ALL imported from America.

GUNS. MONEY. MILITARY EQUIPMENT, all from America.

Americans aren’t pulling the trigger. Stop pretending that people are absolutely helpless.

[dude77]

that;s why you don't get in bed with the cartels. seems like this specific family has history with the cartel, so it's looking like it was not random.

so what's the story ? they were working with them ?

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Hawker]Americans aren

[highwhey]

so what's the story ? they were working with them ?
i doubt we will ever get the facts on this, it seems like the cartel was been wanting the family/community to run drugs for them and they initially refused. their beef seemingly went away tho until this assault at least.

[Patrick Chewing]

but this country is supplying it. now this country is shocked about what the cartel pulled? do you not see any irony in that? zero accountability.

the same people shocked about this story will continue to purchase their coke or weed or meth, funding these cartels.

want the violence to stop? quit purchasing drugs and selling guns to Mexico.

the DEA literally handed the cartel automatic weapons.


Disgraceful. You have a country with a military that can eliminate these narcos, and the country does nothing. Doesn't matter who's buying the drugs. The country that harbors these criminals and does nothing to stop them is to blame.

Stop blaming others just because you're Mexican. That's the only reason you're saying what you're saying.

[Facepalm]

Vice News 2012- The Mexican Mormon War (Drug Cartels vs. Mormons Full Length) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpIyaIHsJbc)
Wow. Enlightening.

[SomeBlackDude]

but this country is supplying it. now this country is shocked about what the cartel pulled? do you not see any irony in that? zero accountability.

the same people shocked about this story will continue to purchase their coke or weed or meth, funding these cartels.

want the violence to stop? quit purchasing drugs and selling guns to Mexico.

the DEA literally handed the cartel automatic weapons.

think something like 90% of guns used in cartel murders came from 'murrica.

isn't it true also that there's only one official gun shop in all of mexico?


Several LeBaron family members

check the vice news link i posted. the history is WILD. the lebarons aren't clean by any means.


Ervil Morrell LeBaron (February 22, 1925 – August 15, 1981) was the leader of a polygamous Mormon fundamentalist group who ordered the killings of many of his opponents, using the religious doctrine of blood atonement to justify the murders. He was sentenced to life in prison for orchestrating the murder of an opponent, and died there.

He had at least 13 wives in a plural marriage, several of whom he married while they were still underage, and several of whom were involved in the murders.

...

It has been estimated that more than 25 people were killed as a result of LeBaron's prison-cell orders. Many of his family members and other ex-members of the group still remain in hiding for fear of retribution from LeBaron's remaining followers.

dude was the mormon charles manson on steroids.

:biggums:

[highwhey]

Disgraceful. You have a country with a military that can eliminate these narcos, and the country does nothing. Doesn't matter who's buying the drugs. The country that harbors these criminals and does nothing to stop them is to blame.

Stop blaming others just because you're Mexican. That's the only reason you're saying what you're saying.
this is very disturbing to me personally. especially because of what they did to the children. the people that did this are absolute cowards, and everyone in that area wants justice. no one wants to hear or see this happen.

and yes it does matter who is buying the drugs, america is actively making this happen. you don't want to admit this however, no american does.

[SomeBlackDude]

Wow. Enlightening.

it's the kind of stuff that if hbo or netflix did a series about it, you think "nah, that's too farfetched."

crazy stuff.

[dazzer87]

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2019/11/931/524/mexico-ambush-victim-1.jpg
and they are white.........Not a good look for our Neighbor.......

[Wardell Curry]

The LeBron's were into drugs? Color me surprised.

[highwhey]

and they are white.........Not a good look for our Neighbor.......
who cares that they are white? all human lives are equal.

trump supporters showing how racist they are, only care when white folks die, not a single tear shed over mexicans dying.

[highwhey]

what they did to those poor children man...

i hope the military finds them and shoots them on sight. that's the only justice they can serve at this point.

cartels are surpassing their aggression day by day and this stupid ass president doesn't want to engage violently. it's only going to get worse until the president unleashed the military fully.

[dude77]

can the mexican military defeat the cartels if they wanted to ?

[highwhey]

can the mexican military defeat the cartels if they wanted to ?
yes. people in mexico are pissed off bc the president is being too nice.

mexico has a large military, and with previous encounters, they always win. the only times cartels win is when they cowardly ambush a small convoy, but that's simply bc they are outnumbered.

pretty much all the cartel runs away when the military is on their way...and they run into the mountains to hide.

[tpols]

That's it...

Last straw.

Send in the Don Julio Cortez n the homies, lets make history again fellas.

[Facepalm]

it's the kind of stuff that if hbo or netflix did a series about it, you think "nah, that's too farfetched."

crazy stuff.
I've read about the Romney, Mexico, Mormon connections before just didn't know they were actively fighting the Cartels and had a crazy leader with a blood vendetta that chased his relatives to Nicaragua :oldlol:


Yea, this needs to be a Netflix movie, or at least have a few episodes on Narcos

[Raymone]

Zero personal accountability, but lots of excuses from resident Mexico-apologists here per usual.

We can't stop killing each other and innocents alike because the allure of money from the drug trade is too great. Not our fault, it's just demand. :confusedshrug:

[highwhey]

Zero personal accountability, but lots of excuses from resident Mexico-apologists here per usual.

We can't stop killing each other and innocents alike because the allure of money from the drug trade is too great. Not our fault, it's just demand. :confusedshrug:
from a member of the family himself on twitter:


Want to help? Focus on lowering Drug Consumption in U.S. Want to help some more? Stop the ATF and Gun Law loopholes from systematically injecting high powered assault weapons to Mexico... Please help ☝️@realDonaldTrump

[Patrick Chewing]

You act as if the cartels would be handing out bibles if they didn't have access to guns coming from America.



The fact remains is that you have a country who is riddled with cartels that murder on a daily basis and poison the rest of the world with drugs, and yet does nothing about it.


highweight the hypocrite even admitted it himself. The Mexican army can annihilate these cartels in a few days, but the government does nothing.

Instead, Hollywood makes movies about these cartel leaders and glorifies this type of criminality.

[highwhey]

You act as if the cartels would be handing out bibles if they didn't have access to guns coming from America.



The fact remains is that you have a country who is riddled with cartels that murder on a daily basis and poison the rest of the world with drugs, and yet does nothing about it.


highweight the hypocrite even admitted it himself. The Mexican army can annihilate these cartels in a few days, but the government does nothing.

Instead, Hollywood makes movies about these cartel leaders and glorifies this type of criminality.
the american government helped mexico infest itself with cartels. DEA/CIA both helped them establish themselves.

this country continue to feed BILLIONS and weapons to cartels.

keep making excuses, as always, the ignorant americans don't want face the ugly truths of their countries. meanwhile, i've admitted the mexican government is not acting effectively.

all i can do is show you the truth, wether you reject it or not, does not change the state of events.

[Bosnian Sajo]

I've never seen any gov official, let alone a president talk like this .. talking about eliminating them and hinting they can take them out with 'an army' .. yep that's exactly what has to happen .. too bad it won't be done but they could if they wanted to .. the cartels are no match for the United States Military

https://i.ibb.co/KLh9Myy/sdfgfd.png (https://imgbb.com/)


You know what...I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am not against this idea. I ****ing hate the cartel and would be down for Trump to get involved.

[SomeBlackDude]

You know what...I can't believe I'm saying this, but I am not against this idea. I ****ing hate the cartel and would be down for Trump to get involved.

lol, he's not gonna do shit but tweet while getting blitzed on amphetamines as always.

you really think the dude that was just bullied and chased home by turkey, iran, and russia wants to mix it up with the cartels?

:biggums:

[Bosnian Sajo]

lol, he's not gonna do shit but tweet while getting blitzed on amphetamines as always.

you really think the dude that was just bullied and chased home by turkey, iran, and russia wants to mix it up with the cartels?

:biggums:


Are you honestly insinuating that the cartels are to be more feared than those 3 countries you mentioned?

[egokiller]

Disgraceful. You have a country with a military that can eliminate these narcos, and the country does nothing. Doesn't matter who's buying the drugs. The country that harbors these criminals and does nothing to stop them is to blame.

Stop blaming others just because you're Mexican. That's the only reason you're saying what you're saying.

He doesn

[CelticBaller]

whatever you need to tell yourself buddy, all the billions come from the US. weapons, from the US. marines getting caught moving dope for the cartel. DHS. a lot of US feds seem to be in bed with the cartel.
The Obama administration gave weapons to the cartel smh

[CelticBaller]

Now trump wants to declare a war on the cartel :facepalm

How about we mind our own business

[egokiller]

Now trump wants to declare a war on the cartel :facepalm

How about we mind our own business

No, how about we send a message that if you fvck with an American, you lose everything?

[Long Duck Dong]

I've heard my gf's family, as well as several retards here, say, "If you aren't doing anything bad in Mexico, the cartel violence doesn't affect you".

[SomeBlackDude]

Are you honestly insinuating that the cartels are to be more feared than those 3 countries you mentioned?

they have all of our best weaponry.

[QUOTE]Mexico experienced a record number of murders for the second year in a row in 2018, with official statistics logging 33% more killings than in 2017, Reuters reports.

Mexican authorities opened 33,341 murder investigations in 2018, the highest number ever, the country

[highwhey]

The Obama administration gave weapons to the cartel smh
Yes, everyone involved in that fast and furious operation should be behind bars right now. Something like 2000 weapons were sold to the cartel for 1.5 million.

$750 per weappn....probably fully automatic rifles in there too. That seems like a great deal.

I think it was my county's sherrifs office rhat said 500 ar15 rifles were missing from their armoury...gee, i wonder who took them and what they did with them :facepalm

Arizona seems to be a hot spot for gun trafficking to Mexico, and the American Government is in on it.

[highwhey]

Now trump wants to declare a war on the cartel :facepalm

How about we mind our own business
Mexican president said he will not accept help.

Sovereignty, respect it trump supporters. MAGA stays within the boundaries of your trailer park, you can't make it international :no:

[egokiller]

The parents of the corrupt American officials that were involved in all this must feel so proud when they look at the photos of the innocent children
that died. At least we get to wake up every morning knowing we earn an honest living and that our actions don’t result in innocent kids dying.

Feels damn good knowing you’re a better person. :applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

lol, he's not gonna do shit but tweet while getting blitzed on amphetamines as always.

you really think the dude that was just bullied and chased home by turkey, iran, and russia wants to mix it up with the cartels?

:biggums:


Usual POS statement coming from a toad like you.

How's the acting going, Dylan??

[Patrick Chewing]

Mexican president said he will not accept help.

Sovereignty, respect it trump supporters. MAGA stays within the boundaries of your trailer park, you can't make it international :no:


Why do you bring every topic back to MAGA? You think Liberals and snowflakes alike are cheering these murders?

[dude77]

wow so the mexican president doesn't want any help and he thinks it's a bad idea to wage war against the cartels .. meanwhile they're burning children alive and you were forced to release one of their top guys .. yikes .. he's probably living in fear of them .. that's how he sounds

[Patrick Chewing]

wow so the mexican president doesn't want any help and he thinks it's a bad idea to wage war against the cartels .. meanwhile they're burning children alive and you were forced to release one of their top guys .. yikes .. he's probably living in fear of them .. that's how he talks


That's what I call a shithole.


Now I understand why they want to hop the fence. They're ashamed of their own country.

[dude77]

That's what I call a shithole.


Now I understand why they want to hop the fence. They're ashamed of their own country.


true .. as for the president .. doesn't he live like a commoner ? with less security or something like that .. the guy has a target on his back if he 'acts up' .. probably why he wants no beef with the cartels and is preaching nonintervention

[tpols]

wait... its ok from mexico to sell the USA drugs because there's demand for them, but not ok for USA to sell mexico guns where there's also... demand for them?


:hammerhead:


cant even keep their story straight smh.

[AirBonner]

Every Mexican I know that still has family in Mexico has lost a loved one to cartel violence. What does that say?

[TheMan]

As I figured, the blame goes elsewhere versus the actual people that pulled the trigger. Pathetic. Cowards. :facepalm
Lol if you think these people were targeted either because they were white or Americans... let's wait and see what the investigation says BUT it's pretty well known that some Mormons have had ties to cartels here, not saying that's the case here but a random attack I really doubt that.

Tragic, these women and kids are innocent. Cartels don't respect nothing, stone cold scumbag killers, they all should be put to death.

Last and not least, you implied in your OP that I hadn't commented on this because they're white and Americans :facepalm First, they have dual citizenship, most of these people are born in Mexico, they live in Mexico, they speak better Spanish than me, they are Mexicans too and EVEN if they weren't I'm not racist, a human life is precious.

RIP to the victims, I hope they are with the Lord and hopefully their loved ones will have justice.

[tpols]

Lol if you think these people were targeted either because they were white or Americans... let's wait and see what the investigation says BUT it's pretty well known that some Mormons have had ties to cartels here, not saying that's the case here but a random attack I really doubt that.

Tragic, these women and kids are innocent. Cartels don't respect nothing, stone cold scumbag killers, they all should be put to death.

Last and not least, you implied in your OP that I hadn't commented on this because they're white and Americans :facepalm First, they have dual citizenship, most of these people are born in Mexico, they live in Mexico, they speak better Spanish than me, they are Mexicans too and EVEN if they weren't I'm not racist, a human life is precious.

RIP to the victims, I hope they are with the Lord and hopefully their loved ones will have justice.


They arent with the lord mate.

they were slaughtered and bled out and gasping for breath while they died.

They are at peace, but your country is a damn joke.

[nathanjizzle]

do you know how many brown children white americans have killed in the middle east the last 20 years?

[highwhey]

do you know how many brown children white americans have killed in the middle east the last 20 years?
these guys don't give a flying ****. op only posted the thread bc it was a white family, he's too stupid to realize he's demonstrating his racism.

innocent families bombed in their own homes by drones, do you think OP or the other maga fgts care?

that's why they only post when a white family is killed.

these idiots just admitted to being racists. :facepalm

[highwhey]

EVEN if they weren't I'm not racist, a human life is precious.

RIP to the victims, I hope they are with the Lord and hopefully their loved ones will have justice.
unfortunately OP only values lives of white people. this thread cements that fact.

[Patrick Chewing]

unfortunately OP only values lives of white people. this thread cements that fact.


Is this why you only care when Blacks get murdered? Cause I don

[TheMan]

Every Mexican I know that still has family in Mexico has lost a loved one to cartel violence. What does that say?
It says a lot about the low lifes you're hanging out with...I literally don't know a single person here who is involved with a cartel, nor have I ever met someone who lost a loved one to cartel violence. Most people killed by cartels are up to no good, fact.

[warriorfan]

Mexico is a good vacation but to live? No way. Place is a total shit hole.

[TheMan]

They arent with the lord mate.

they were slaughtered and bled out and gasping for breath while they died.

They are at peace, but your country is a damn joke.
Your country also has a problem with gun violence, mate.

I could go on and on with Sandy Hook or the country music concert but you get the point.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, jackass.

[Patrick Chewing]

Your country also has a problem with gun violence, mate.

I could go on and on with Sandy Hook or the country music concert but you get the point.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones, jackass.


While there is gun violence in this country, there is less than there was 20-30 years ago.

But gun violence here in the States is not the same as what is happening in Mexico. Let

[highwhey]

It says a lot about the low lifes you're hanging out with...I literally don't know a single person here who is involved with a cartel, nor have I ever met someone who lost a loved one to cartel violence. Most people killed by cartels are up to no good, fact.
THIS.

it's a sad and unfortunate truth. I know a lot of people in Mexico, so do my Hispanic friends, I personally don't know a family or individual with a lost friend or family to the cartel.

One of my friends from Culiacan said most of the people that end up dead are involved in some capacity, and he lived there during some violent years.

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Is this why you only care when Blacks get murdered? Cause I don

[TheMan]

I've heard my gf's family, as well as several retards here, say, "If you aren't doing anything bad in Mexico, the cartel violence doesn't affect you".
The LeBaron family have had a beef with the cartels for a while now...this doesn't disprove what I've said before :confusedshrug:

And yes, if you aren't involved in anything shady down here, odds are pretty good you'll be ok.

[Lebron23]

My condolences to the victims. Time to eliminate this drug cartels, and make Mexico great again.

[Long Duck Dong]

It says a lot about the low lifes you're hanging out with...I literally don't know a single person here who is involved with a cartel, nor have I ever met someone who lost a loved one to cartel violence. Most people killed by cartels are up to no good, fact.

I have lived in the US my whole life. Only 2 people that I personally knew have been murdered here. On the other hand I have personally known 3 Mexicans who returned to their country and were murdered, and I have known 2 who were kidnapped for ransom, one of which was a very, very wealthy rancher who was an associate of my father. I know a lot more Americans than I do Mexicans so in my small world, that country is dangerous as hell. I have doubts I'll ever return.

[highwhey]

not gonna say where i got this info from.

the cartel charges money to cross drugs across state lines. these Mormons are placed right at the crossing between Chihuahua and Sonora. Seems like the mormons got tired of the taxes and spoke up. Cartel retaliated. Probably more complex than that, but that seems to be the word on the street according to my sources.

[Long Duck Dong]

The LeBaron family have had a beef with the cartels for a while now...this doesn't disprove what I've said before :confusedshrug:

And yes, if you aren't involved in anything shady down here, odds are pretty good you'll be ok.

They were not involved with the cartels and were not doing anything shady. The only involvement with them is having the gall to be their victims in the past. :oldlol:

Your country is a shithole. Trump is extending his hand. Take it brother before it's too late. :(


https://66.media.tumblr.com/88eb0b8978a08be86fd3cbf1e2e5acbe/tumblr_n3txz7BpBE1rw585ho6_r1_540.gif

[Hawker]

Mormonism is such a ridiculous bastardization of the christian religion.

[highwhey]

Mormonism is such a ridiculous bastardization of the christian religion.
it is. grew up as a Christian. mornomisn, especially Mennonites, are batshit crazy.

they have been confirmed to be Mennonites.

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]they have all of our best weaponry.


Mexico experienced a record number of murders for the second year in a row in 2018, with official statistics logging 33% more killings than in 2017, Reuters reports.

Mexican authorities opened 33,341 murder investigations in 2018, the highest number ever, the country

[CelticBaller]

My condolences to the victims. Time to eliminate this drug cartels, and make Mexico great again.
Mexico needs El Don :roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

not gonna say where i got this info from.

the cartel charges money to cross drugs across state lines. these Mormons are placed right at the crossing between Chihuahua and Sonora. Seems like the mormons got tired of the taxes and spoke up. Cartel retaliated. Probably more complex than that, but that seems to be the word on the street according to my sources.


:lol


Name the whistle blower.

[SomeBlackDude]

For reference?? How are those numbers relatable?? :roll:


My goodness. Compare the strength of the Russian army to that of every single cartel group in the world, combined...PLUS MS13 and still Russia alone is a bigger threat, let alone when you add on Iran and Turkey.


I can't believe you're arguing this :oldlol:

it's not about numbers/sheer size. the 'murrican army is built for traditional warfare. as vietnam proved and afghanistan/iraq reiterated- it is clearly not built for prolonged guerilla style warfare.

fighting the cartels would be similar to fighting the taliban. mexico has a ton of mountain ranges that the cartels could escape to in case of a massive land invasion of their territories. they have billions of dollars, unlimited weapons arsenals courtesy of 'murrica, and the protection of politicians and local citizens. i bet they've built elaborate underground/in-ground facilities in the mountains for just this contingency.

if the u.s. military invaded mexico, it'd just be another pointless expensive war we'd be in 20 years from now.

if all it took to take them out was a full on military assault, the mexican military (277k active members, more than the united kingdom and germany) would've wiped out the cartels decades ago.

[CelticBaller]

I am not for a cartel war, but if we actually did decide to invade Mexico and help their government take care of the cartels, we would win decisively

Dondadda is severely underestimating the most expensive military. You

[Facepalm]

it's not about numbers/sheer size. the 'murrican army is built for traditional warfare. as vietnam proved and afghanistan/iraq reiterated- it is clearly not built for prolonged guerilla style warfare.

fighting the cartels would be similar to fighting the taliban. mexico has a ton of mountain ranges that the cartels could escape to in case of a massive land invasion of their territories. they have billions of dollars, unlimited weapons arsenals courtesy of 'murrica, and the protection of politicians and local citizens. i bet they've built elaborate underground/in-ground facilities in the mountains for just this contingency.

if the u.s. military invaded mexico, it'd just be another pointless expensive war we'd be in 20 years from now.

if all it took to take them out was a full on military assault, the mexican military (277k active members, more than the united kingdom and germany) would've wiped out the cartels decades ago.
One problem with your argument though is the cartels are not an ideology or religion. They are strictly for-profit. They might have billions now but a war vs the US will drain that dry with no more to come. Do you think their soldiers will be willing to throw away their lives when they are no longer getting paid?

I'm pretty sure the US military can easily locate and take out a significant amount of their cocoa and marijuana farms if they wanted to. The cartels right now operate with impunity because the locals are scared of them. That wouldn't be the case if the US military were after them. Also, unlike Afghanistan or Vietnam, we would have the support of the locals. Maybe they wouldn't be wiped out but they would certainly be crippled.

[Facepalm]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]I am not for a cartel war, but if we actually did decide to invade Mexico and help their government take care of the cartels, we would win decisively

Dondadda is severely underestimating the most expensive military. You

[SomeBlackDude]

One problem with your argument though is the cartels are not an ideology or religion. They are strictly for-profit.

the taliban was and still in the business of poppy cultivation for the international heroin market. the cartels are actually their biggest customers.


Afghanistan's opium poppy harvest produces more than 90% of illicit heroin globally, and more than 95% of the European supply.

has nothing to do with ideology or religion. many cartels are heavily into catholicism and even have patron saints.

there really is no difference between the two.


They might have billions now but a war vs the US will drain that dry with no more to come. Do you think their soldiers will be willing to throw away their lives when they are no longer getting paid?

yeah, their revenue would not dry up. again, the taliban had 45k members at the time of the invasion in '01, they are up to 60k now, their opium production has skyrocketed, and just a few weeks ago maga was in talks to surrender to them.

would be the same thing in mexico. when has a war on drugs by the 'murrican gov ever resulted in losses for criminal organizations? prohibition, even when enforced with police/military, has always meant bigly increased profits for criminals. with no exceptions.

the only party that would lose $ in that enterprise would be the 'murrican tax payer.


I'm pretty sure the US military can easily locate and take out a significant amount of their cocoa and marijuana farms if they wanted to.

so why don't they? :confusedshrug:


Also, unlike Afghanistan or Vietnam, we would have the support of the locals.

not only do they have the support of locals, they have the support of the politicians they have on their payroll.

one of el chapo's henchmen who turned state's evidence claimed the sinaloa cartel paid the president of mexico $100 million (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/nyregion/el-chapo-trial.html)

again, if all it took to take out the cartels was an overwhelming military force, the mexican army would've wiped them out in the 90s.

[rufuspaul]

It says a lot about the low lifes you're hanging out with...I literally don't know a single person here who is involved with a cartel, nor have I ever met someone who lost a loved one to cartel violence. Most people killed by cartels are up to no good, fact.


I imagine it's similar to what goes down in places like the South Side of Chicago. Foreigners read about all the shootings and murders that happen daily there and think America must be a very dangerous place when the fact is it doesn't even register with most of us.

[TheMan]

They were not involved with the cartels and were not doing anything shady. The only involvement with them is having the gall to be their victims in the past. :oldlol:

Your country is a shithole. Trump is extending his hand. Take it brother before it's too late. :(


https://66.media.tumblr.com/88eb0b8978a08be86fd3cbf1e2e5acbe/tumblr_n3txz7BpBE1rw585ho6_r1_540.gif
I ain't trying to sugarcoat our problems, of course there are places in Mexico that are extremely dangerous, but most of the country doesn't have these problems. Come on bro, you know how the US media is, they make it seem like the whole country is under siege. Americans, Canadians and Europeans are retiring to Mexico by the thousands each year, I've posted videos of this. They are moving to places that have no cartel violence. Unfortunately for these Mormons, they live in one of the more dangerous places in Mexico. I wouldn't live there even if they paid me, fortunately me and my family live in one of the safest cities here, there is literally no cartel violence here so all this news about drug violence is as foreign to me as it is to you.

The vast majority of those killed are involved in one way or another in criminal organizations, obviously some innocent people have been killed, I won't deny that but it's a fact that most cartels don't mess with the citizenry, they aren't dumb, they know that if all the people rise up against them, there days would be numbered. As it is, most folks are too scared to rat them out because these cartels are ruthless, they not only go after the whistleblowers, they go after their wives, children and friends. These guys ain't messing around. The money is so great that they have the police and local politicians on their payroll, the plomo o plata deal. Turn a blind eye and you get money, try to be a hero and end up dead along with your loved ones, it isn't much of an option. Some of the cartels, not all, are also involved in kidnapping rich people, extortion, raketeering, sex slave trade etc... The Zetas were extremely brutal, they went after the citizenry, they gave no fukks, the other cartels (including El Chapo's) saw them as bad for business so a few of them teamed up and proceeded to wipe out the Zetas, thats why you don't hear about them anymore.

Let's be honest, if all it took was for the military to go full ham on the cartels, they would've been wiped out by now since Felipe Calderon declared war on them in 2006 but that hasn't happened. You kill or capture a capo, another pops up to take his place. You kill dozens of sicarios, dozens more a recruited. The most sensible option is legalizing drug use, you take the criminal element out, you tax that shit and you fund programs to get people off drugs. People will always want to get high, just like how Prohibition was a complete failure, people will always want to get their drink on. Seriously, if heroine were legal, are you gonna buy that shit? Anyone who wants to get heroine right now, they could easily find it, you can't legislate that problem away. You need to get to the root of the issue, why do some people feel the need to take that garbage?

The US military intervention isn't happening. Cartel members don't go around with uniforms declaring themselves as cartel members. The US military would have to get down and dirty and smoke them out where they are...of course the military would kill a whole more cartel members than cartel member killing US soldiers but the fact is that some US military personnel will die, how do you think the American public will respond? What if a US convey gets ambushed and captured and they get tortured and beheaded on video? What happens if the US military kills innocent civilians? You think the Mexican population will support them? Its not as easy as Trump makes it seem...also the sovereignty issue will come up by the opposition parties. No country likes seeing an army of another nation in their country. Just ask Iraqis, Afghanis, Vietnamese etc.

Legalization is the only viable solution. Are you for real saying that the only reason you aren't a meth head is because it's illegal? :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Legalization is the only viable solution.


That's an insane take. Drugs are poison. GTFO here.

[ItsMillerTime]

That's an insane take. Drugs are poison. GTFO here.

Alcohol is poison. Thousands of people in the USA alone die from it every year. Why is it legal?

[Patrick Chewing]

Alcohol is poison. Thousands of people in the USA alone die from it every year. Why is it legal?


What is your point? It's all poison. What happens when you drink too much alcohol? You can kill yourself or you can kill others. Legalizing all drugs just because "uhhh alcohol is legal derp derp" doesn't solve anything.

[SomeBlackDude]

Alcohol is poison. Thousands of people in the USA alone die from it every year. Why is it legal?

prohibition accomplishes nothing but turning petty street criminals into multi billion dollar conglomerates that can hold entire nations hostage.

alcohol was treated the same as heroin for a time in 'murrica, all that accomplished was to turn some small time italian and jewish extortionists and pickpockets into legendary powerful crime figures. gave birth to la cosa nostra.

[URL="https://ivn.us/2013/08/27/prohibition-spawned-mexicos-oldest-drug-cartel"][B]Prohibition Spawned Mexico

[REACTION]

What is your point? It's all poison. What happens when you drink too much alcohol? You can kill yourself or you can kill others. Legalizing all drugs just because "uhhh alcohol is legal derp derp" doesn't solve anything.
The American mafia thrived in the 20s and 30s because of the inane decision to illegalize alcohol. A child's idea of morality. You could say that removing the restrictions on alcohol didn't magically eradicate the mafia, but it certainly knocked a leg off their stool and forced them to move on to other things like gambling.

Why would the situation with Mexican cartels and other drugs be so different? I say legalize everything and add the same or stricter regulations that we have around the creation, distribution and consumption of alcohol.

[TheMan]

I imagine it's similar to what goes down in places like the South Side of Chicago. Foreigners read about all the shootings and murders that happen daily there and think America must be a very dangerous place when the fact is it doesn't even register with most of us.
It's true, I've never been affected by drug violence, not even when I lived in Tijuana from 2005 to 2011 when TJ was a cartel battlefield and almost every morning we'd wake to the news of more people murdered (cartel members going at it). We were like, let them kill themselves :lol

I do recall this one time the husband of one of my cousins almost became a civilian casualty though. He worked very late that night, it was about 2 in the morning, he was driving in his late model pick up truck, he was singing along to the radio and there was hardly any traffic, he got to a red light, stopped and turned to his right when a car pulled up alongside him, he was still happily singing when he noticed a dude in the backseat pointing a shotgun at him and the driver yelled "no es el, wey!" which means "it's not him, bro!". They sped off immediately and he said it took him a moment to recover from the shock...my cousin's husband was about to get blown away because the sicarios thought the truck belonged to someone they were ordered to wack.

Yeah, they moved from TJ after that, and so did we shortly after :lol

[highwhey]

What is your point? It's all poison. What happens when you drink too much alcohol? You can kill yourself or you can kill others. Legalizing all drugs just because "uhhh alcohol is legal derp derp" doesn't solve anything.
log off right now old man, you're embarrassing yourself.

[FultzNationRISE]

Who cares about this tbh.

Everyone in America understands the risks involved in living in Mexico.

If these mormon weirdos wanna do “save the world” missions in dangerous places, it’s their prerogative.

Obviously if we sent the US military we could obliterate cartels and/or Mexico entirely, and obviously we should have no interest in doing so. Just protect the ****ing border and live our lives.

People arguing with dondadda are wasting their time. He’s an anti-trump troll, hes just doing his shtick. Youre not going to get him to concede anything, even if it’s clear as day. People arguing with highwhey are trying to teach calculus to a six year old.


But whatever. Continue on if it’s what makes you happy.

[TheMan]

That's an insane take. Drugs are poison. GTFO here.
Drugs are illegal right now...why are people still taking them?

Alcohol kills, cigarettes kill...why are they legal?

Let me ask you this simple question...if meth were legal, would you take meth? Are you seriously saying that the only reason you aren't hooked on meth is because the gubmint makes it illegal or is it because you know that shit is poison?

[ItsMillerTime]

What is your point? It's all poison. What happens when you drink too much alcohol? You can kill yourself or you can kill others. Legalizing all drugs just because "uhhh alcohol is legal derp derp" doesn't solve anything.

Patrick, think hard on why keeping alcohol illegal during Prohibition didn't work. Now apply it today's drug war.

There you go buddy.

[Patrick Chewing]

The American mafia thrived in the 20s and 30s because of the inane decision to illegalize alcohol. A child's idea of morality. You could say that removing the restrictions on alcohol didn't magically eradicate the mafia, but it certainly knocked a leg off their stool and forced them to move on to other things like gambling.

Why would the situation with Mexican cartels and other drugs be so different? I say legalize everything and add the same or stricter regulations that we have around the creation, distribution and consumption of alcohol.


We're assuming though with this belief that human beings as a whole are all responsible and smart individuals with the mental capacity to understand right from wrong and with the mental fortitude to be able to conquer bad habits.

That's fantasy land.


Even though hard drugs are illegal and carry stiff consequences, the American public has a drug problem. Thousands of people die on a daily basis from drug addictions or drug-related offenses, and this all happens while drugs remain illegal.

Making it more accessible to the public doesn't curb drug-related deaths, it only multiplies it. You then create this chain reaction of having more people in hospitals, higher insurance rates as result, and less availability of average medical care for those citizens who refrain from using drugs.


All this does is shift the problem from one area to another. Does not solve the drug epidemic whatsoever.

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Who cares about this tbh.

Everyone in America understands the risks involved in living in Mexico.

[B]If these mormon weirdos wanna do

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Who cares about this tbh.

Everyone in America understands the risks involved in living in Mexico.

If these mormon weirdos wanna do

[Patrick Chewing]

Drugs are illegal right now...why are people still taking them?

Alcohol kills, cigarettes kill...why are they legal?

Let me ask you this simple question...if meth were legal, would you take meth? Are you seriously saying that the only reason you aren't hooked on meth is because the gubmint makes it illegal or is it because you know that shit is poison?


Why are people still taking drugs you ask? Because they're so easily accessible. Because cartels exist.


I cannot answer the question of why alcohol and cigarettes are legal. I don't partake in either one. I can only say that the efforts against the tobacco industry to put an end to smoking have been effective.

And again, all you guys are saying is that if one is legal, then all should be legal. How do you justify this? Do you not foresee the consequences?


If Meth was legal, I would not smoke meth. I know it's a poison. But knowing the consequences of meth use, how can you justify the legalization of it? Legalizing Meth doesn't create less Meth users. It creates more.

[FultzNationRISE]

They aren't missionaries numbnuts, they moved there from Utah over a hundred years ago because they are fundamentalists who believe in polygomy as taught by their founder Joseph Smith, when it became illegal in the US.

Know a little about the thread subject or just shut yer yapper.




:facepalm

I dgaf if they were missionaries or not you tard. I wasnt being literal, I was stereotyping mormons. Im not gonna closely follow a story this pointless.

The point was they were people choosing to live in Mexico. So who cares? Yall should move on and worry about America. Except for you, because you dont live here and nobody wants you here.

But you apparently wanted to interact with me badly enough to start a semantic argument over words tho. Thanks, Im flattered.

[TheMan]

We're assuming though with this belief that human beings as a whole are all responsible and smart individuals with the mental capacity to understand right from wrong and with the mental fortitude to be able to conquer bad habits.

That's fantasy land.


Even though hard drugs are illegal and carry stiff consequences, the American public has a drug problem. Thousands of people die on a daily basis from drug addictions or drug-related offenses, and this all happens while drugs remain illegal.

Making it more accessible to the public doesn't curb drug-related deaths, it only multiplies it. You then create this chain reaction of having more people in hospitals, higher insurance rates as result, and less availability of average medical care for those citizens who refrain from using drugs.


All this does is shift the problem from one area to another. Does not solve the drug epidemic whatsoever.
Anyone who wants to buy illegal drugs can do so easily...

Are you telling me you wouldn't be able to score some coke in NY right now if you wanted too? Are you for real?

When I lived in San Antonio, if I wanted any drug, I knew where I could get some, everyone I knew could do the same...I only smoked weed, I was offered all kinds of drugs but I'm not a junkie :confusedshrug:

If bestiality were legalized, you wouldn't be able to help yourself and you'd go bang Fido :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Anyone who wants to buy illegal drugs can do so easily...

Are you telling me you wouldn't be able to score some coke in NY right now if you wanted too? Are you for real?

When I lived in San Antonio, if I wanted any drug, I knew where I could get some, everyone I knew could do the same...I only smoked weed, I was offered all kinds of drugs but I'm not a junkie :confusedshrug:

If bestiality were legalized, you wouldn't be able to help yourself and you'd go bang Fido :confusedshrug:


I honestly don't think you're understanding me. I'll lay it to you so you can understand:


Yes, drugs are easily accessible now even though they are illegal.

So what is your solution to this?

Your answer: Legalize all drugs!


My response: This doesn't solve the drug problem. It only creates more drug users!

[TheMan]

:facepalm

I dgaf if they were missionaries or not you tard. I wasnt being literal, I was stereotyping mormons. Im not gonna closely follow a story this pointless.

The point was they were people choosing to live in Mexico. So who cares? Yall should move on and worry about America. Except for you, because you dont live here and nobody wants you here.

But you apparently wanted to interact with me badly enough to start a semantic argument over words tho. Thanks, Im flattered.
No one wants you in America but you choose to stay

Pa
The
Tic

:lol

And no, IDGAF about having a convo with you, moron. Just pointed out that you aren't adding anything of substance so kindly fukk off.

[TheMan]

I honestly don't think you're understanding me. I'll lay it to you so you can understand:


Yes, drugs are easily accessible now even though they are illegal.

So what is your solution to this?

Your answer: Legalize all drugs!


My response: This doesn't solve the drug problem. It only creates more drug users!
And you aren't following mine...

They are already easily accessible right now, anyone who wants drugs can purchase them with no problems...how is legalizing it gonna make it more accessible if it already is.

If you want drugs right now, you can get them easily no matter if they are illegal of not. Legalizing them isn't gonna make someone who doesn't want drugs go off and get them, its not that complicated. Upside, more tax revenue, safer drugs, money to fund programs to get people to stop using them (like AA for alcohol), no more drug cartel violence etc.

You are arguing that more people will get hooked on drugs if they are legal...simply not the case because anyone that wants to take drugs NOW can do so. You agree with me that they are easily accessible, so what's stopping someone who wants coke from purchasing it today?

My point, those who want drugs can do so right now, those who don't won't. Their legal status isn't gonna make people who know better suddenly become junkies. That's why my analogy on beastiality is appropriate, people who wannna fukk an animal are doing so right now, legalizing it won't spawn a whole generation of dudes wanting to bang a chimp :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

I honestly don't think you're understanding me. I'll lay it to you so you can understand:


Yes, drugs are easily accessible now even though they are illegal.

So what is your solution to this?

Your answer: Legalize all drugs!


My response: This doesn't solve the drug problem. It only creates more drug users!


Wait tio do you think legalizing drugs means there's gonna be government ran crack and smack shops on every corner?

:roll:

You'd still have to go through criminals to get them, its just you wouldn't go to jail for having small quantities. Why would you want to waste more tax dollars housing these people? If anything let natural selection run its course.

[TheMan]

Wait tio do you think legalizing drugs means there's gonna be government ran crack and smack shops on every corner?

:roll:

You'd still have to go through criminals to get them, its just you wouldn't go to jail for having small quantities. Why would you want to waste more tax dollars housing these people? If anything let natural selection run its course.
Didn't want to say it but yes...if you aren't bright enough to avoid hard drugs, then you should be culled from the human population. Too many low IQs already as it is.

[Patrick Chewing]

And you aren't following mine...

They are already easily accessible right now, anyone who wants drugs can purchase them with no problems...how is legalizing it gonna make it more accessible if it already is.

If you want drugs right now, you can get them easily no matter if they are illegal of not. Legalizing them isn't gonna make someone who doesn't want drugs go off and get them, its not that complicated. Upside, more tax revenue, safer drugs, money to fund programs to get people to stop using them (like AA for alcohol), no more drug cartel violence etc.

You are arguing that more people will get hooked on drugs if they are legal...simply not the case because anyone that wants to take drugs NOW can do so. You agree with me that they are easily accessible, so what's stopping someone who wants coke from purchasing it today?

My point, those who want drugs can do so right now, those who don't won't. Their legal status isn't gonna make people who know better suddenly become junkies. That's why my analogy on beastiality is appropriate, people who wannna fukk an animal are doing so right now, legalizing it won't spawn a whole generation of dudes wanting to bang a chimp :confusedshrug:


LOL because there are plenty of people who don't want to break the law. If you decriminalize weed, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, whatever, then you automatically create a curiosity and an easier avenue for those who would otherwise not try it themselves or at least purchase it illegally. See my point? Decriminalize prostitution and I guarantee you you'll have a lot more people having sex in hotels and a lot more people cheating on their spouses.

By your logic, you're telling me that the amount of drug users would either stay the same or decrease by decriminalizing drugs. That's just not remotely possible in any scenario. Drug use would rise astronomically.

[red1]

What is your point? It's all poison. What happens when you drink too much alcohol? You can kill yourself or you can kill others. Legalizing all drugs just because "uhhh alcohol is legal derp derp" doesn't solve anything.
holy shit you're ****ing retarded. the worst part is that you think you're actually making a clever point.

legalizing most drugs will inevitably happen. legalization doesn't increase usage, it just prevents black market funding and turns it into tax revenue. you can spend some of that money on infrastructure, on educating people on the dangers of drugs, or whatever is important.


there's literally zero benefit for society when you keep weed, mdma, shrooms, even cocaine illegal. unless you're in an industry that directly benefits from the drug war. we learned all of these lessons already from prohibition.

[Patrick Chewing]

Wait tio do you think legalizing drugs means there's gonna be government ran crack and smack shops on every corner?

:roll:

You'd still have to go through criminals to get them, its just you wouldn't go to jail for having small quantities. Why would you want to waste more tax dollars housing these people? If anything let natural selection run its course.


Having this Libertarian belief that we should allow humans to do whatever they want with no consequences and "let natural selection run its course" only creates the downfall to society. At some point, YOU are going to have to deal with these people and the strain it will create to the economy.

Modernized countries and societies that have stood the test of time were not built by drug addicts.

[Patrick Chewing]

Didn't want to say it but yes...if you aren't bright enough to avoid hard drugs, then you should be culled from the human population. Too many low IQs already as it is.


Plenty of High-IQ individuals have been hooked on drugs.

[ItsMillerTime]

Patrick, you wanna go ahead and explain why Portugal is doing so well since they legalized ALL drugs back in 2001?

http://www.drugpolicy.org/resource/drug-decriminalization-portugal-learning-health-and-human-centered-approach

"Since Portugal enacted drug decriminalization in 2001, the number of people voluntarily entering treatment has increased significantly, overdose deaths and HIV infections among people who use drugs have plummeted, incarceration for drug-related offenses has decreased, and rates of problematic and adolescent drug use has fallen."

By your logic, the opposite should be happening. Why isn't it?

[Patrick Chewing]

legalizing most drugs will inevitably happen. legalization doesn't increase usage, it just prevents black market funding and turns it into tax revenue. you can spend some of that money on infrastructure, on educating people on the dangers of drugs, or whatever is important.


Since you're addicted to trading third grade barbs at one another, I'll ask you this question in all seriousness.

What makes you think that the legalization of drugs will not increase drug usage?

[Patrick Chewing]

Patrick, you wanna go ahead and explain why Portugal is doing so well since they legalized ALL drugs back in 2001?

http://www.drugpolicy.org/resource/drug-decriminalization-portugal-learning-health-and-human-centered-approach

"Since Portugal enacted drug decriminalization in 2001, the number of people voluntarily entering treatment has increased significantly, overdose deaths and HIV infections among people who use drugs have plummeted, incarceration for drug-related offenses has decreased, and rates of problematic and adolescent drug use has fallen."

By your logic, the opposite should be happening. Why isn't it?


Comparing countries never proves anything. American culture, population, and accessibility to narcotics is not the same as it is in Portugal.

I would compare us to a country like Brazil for example if you want to compare countries.

[tpols]

Having this Libertarian belief that we should allow humans to do whatever they want with no consequences and "let natural selection run its course" only creates the downfall to society. At some point, YOU are going to have to deal with these people and the strain it will create to the economy.

Modernized countries and societies that have stood the test of time were not built by drug addicts.


There is a consequence though...they OD. rather than having to pay for them to eat and sleep somewhere forever. Jesus tio you are totally off base here.

There are many countries that legalized and had no increased usage. You have nothing to back your asinine argument here.

If you're gonna do prohibition you have to do it Asian style. Then the problem is gone forever and all parties benefit.

[TheMan]

LOL because there are plenty of people who don't want to break the law. If you decriminalize weed, cocaine, meth, fentanyl, whatever, then you automatically create a curiosity and an easier avenue for those who would otherwise not try it themselves or at least purchase it illegally. See my point? Decriminalize prostitution and I guarantee you you'll have a lot more people having sex in hotels and a lot more people cheating on their spouses.

By your logic, you're telling me that the amount of drug users would either stay the same or decrease by decriminalizing drugs. That's just not remotely possible in any scenario. Drug use would rise astronomically.
Canada's marijuana use stayed the same after legalization.


Second quarter 2019: Almost five million Canadians report using cannabis
From mid-May to mid-June 2019, about 4.9 million or 16% of Canadians aged 15 and older reported using cannabis in the previous three months. This was unchanged from what was reported one year earlier (before legalization) for the provinces and from the last time estimates for the territorial capitals were collected.

People who wants drugs can get them now, no one is not doing drugs because they are illegal :roll: The Canadian study bears this out.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/190815/dq190815a-eng.htm

[Patrick Chewing]

Canada's marijuana use stayed the same after legalization.



People who wants drugs can get them now, no one is not doing drugs because they are illegal :roll: The Canadian study bears this out.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/190815/dq190815a-eng.htm


Marijuana.


Show me the studies on cocaine, meth, etc. You think the cartels are just bringing weed across the border?? :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

There is a consequence though...they OD. rather than having to pay for them to eat and sleep somewhere forever. Jesus tio you are totally off base here.

There are many countries that legalized and had no increased usage. You have nothing to back your asinine argument here.

If you're gonna do prohibition you have to do it Asian style. Then the problem is gone forever and all parties benefit.


And you honestly think society, government, and the families are just going to sit there silent and do nothing about the OD's or the potential rise in OD's?

Comical. Delusional.

[REACTION]

I honestly don't think you're understanding me. I'll lay it to you so you can understand:


Yes, drugs are easily accessible now even though they are illegal.

So what is your solution to this?

Your answer: Legalize all drugs!


My response: This doesn't solve the drug problem. It only creates more drug users!
Do you believe repealing the Volstead Act directly resulted in a significant increase in alcoholism?

[Patrick Chewing]

[B][SIZE="4"][url=https://www.foxnews.com/world/mexicos-lopez-obrador-defends-hugs-not-bullets-policy]Mexico's Lopez Obrador doubles down on

[TheMan]

Comparing countries never proves anything. American culture, population, and accessibility to narcotics is not the same as it is in Portugal.

I would compare us to a country like Brazil for example if you want to compare countries.
This is such a lame bullshit retort :lol

The drug war is lost bro, drugs are easily available...insanity is doing the same thing all the time expecting a different result :facepalm

Meanwhile people are being thrown in prison instead getting the help they need to get off drugs, taxpayers are forced to pay for their upkeep, they are rotting away in prison when they aren't a danger to anyone but themselves, drug cartels, not only in Mexico but all over the world are getting billions and causing strife and death.

Tell me one benefit that the current drug war has produced? And you better not say that more people aren't hooked :oldlol:

[Facepalm]

the taliban was and still in the business of poppy cultivation for the international heroin market. the cartels are actually their biggest customers.Sure they are, I never said the cartel would be wiped out, I said they would be greatly weakened. The Taliban used to run Afghanistan, they've been on their defensive for quite some time now.




has nothing to do with ideology or religion. many cartels are heavily into catholicism and even have patron saints.

there really is no difference between the two.
What I'm saying is people are willing to die for ideologies, especially if they are fanatics. Not as many people will be willing to sacrifice themselves to a guaranteed death going up against the US military when they have other options (albeit less lucrative).




yeah, their revenue would not dry up. again, the taliban had 45k members at the time of the invasion in '01, they are up to 60k now, their opium production has skyrocketed, and just a few weeks ago maga was in talks to surrender to them.

would be the same thing in mexico. when has a war on drugs by the 'murrican gov ever resulted in losses for criminal organizations? prohibition, even when enforced with police/military, has always meant bigly increased profits for criminals. with no exceptions.

the only party that would lose $ in that enterprise would be the 'murrican tax payer.



so why don't they? :confusedshrug:
Again, I'm not saying the cartels won't be around, but they will be on the run and playing defense. They won't be living the high life with impunity in Mexico like they are doing now. No more huge mansions with Lambos and pet tigers. No more partying it up in the hottest night clubs. They will be driven to the mountains and living in caves. What up and coming gang banger with $$$ in his eyes would want to live like that?




not only do they have the support of locals, they have the support of the politicians they have on their payroll.

one of el chapo's henchmen who turned state's evidence claimed the sinaloa cartel paid the president of mexico $100 million (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/nyregion/el-chapo-trial.html)

again, if all it took to take out the cartels was an overwhelming military force, the mexican army would've wiped them out in the 90s.
Again, this will only work with the support of the highest elected officials. If they stopped fearing assassination and blackmail from the cartels then a US backed Mexican war against the cartels will deal a heavy blow. It won't wipe them out, but they won't be getting away with this overt and brazen shit anymore. El Chapo Jr. won't be getting released.

A better example is Colombia. It used to be a war zone narco state. The gangs are still there, but it's been much more peaceful in recent decades. Hell, I've been to bachelor parties there and it's fun as hell.

[TheMan]

Marijuana.


Show me the studies on cocaine, meth, etc. You think the cartels are just bringing weed across the border?? :lol
MillerTime showed you an example of one country that legalized ALL drugs and usage rates went down...show us one example where legalization of all drugs saw a significant spike since thats what you are arguing. You already have one proving your theory wrong, the onus is on you to prove otherwise :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you believe repealing the Volstead Act directly resulted in a significant increase in alcoholism?


To answer your question, I found this study online: https://www.nber.org/papers/w3675

Which reports that alcohol consumption declined sharply after Prohibition, and then rose again to it's Pre-Prohibition levels within a few years after Prohibition ended.

[TheMan]

To answer your question, I found this study online: https://www.nber.org/papers/w3675

Which reports that alcohol consumption declined sharply after Prohibition, and then rose again to it's Pre-Prohibition levels within a few years after Prohibition ended.
Which begs the question...if Prohibition was a smashing success, why was it ended?

[red1]

Since you're addicted to trading third grade barbs at one another, I'll ask you this question in all seriousness.

What makes you think that the legalization of drugs will not increase drug usage?
sorry my man I was busy doing my job and taking care of my clients.

the examples exist. look at portugal and canada for weed.


now you tell me a single benefit society receives by keeping marijuana and mushrooms illegal. I'll tell you a benefit of legalization right now - a shitload of tax dollars from marijuana alone.

[Patrick Chewing]

MillerTime showed you an example of one country that legalized ALL drugs and usage rates went down...show us one example where legalization of all drugs saw a significant spike since thats what you are arguing. You already have one proving your theory wrong, the onus is on you to prove otherwise :confusedshrug:


And everyone makes that same mistake of comparing the United States to these insignificant countries halfway across the world. There really isn't any other country you can compare the United States to. The culture, history, and proximity to drugs is like no other country on Earth.

Presenting statistics from Portugal does not imply similar statistics would be generated in the United States.

[red1]

And everyone makes that same mistake of comparing the United States to these insignificant countries halfway across the world. There really isn't any other country you can compare the United States to. The culture, history, and proximity to drugs is like no other country on Earth.

Presenting statistics from Portugal does not imply similar statistics would be generated in the United States.
great argument chump. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Which begs the question...if Prohibition was a smashing success, why was it ended?


We're going in circles here and arriving to the same questions from earlier pages.

Why did Prohibition end? I don't have an answer for you. However, you guys love comparing apples to oranges, and you cannot compare the societal climate of the 20's and 30's to the society of today. We are not the same.

I'll firmly stand by my belief that you don't solve the drug problem by decriminalizing all drugs. I think you create a bigger and deeper rabbit hole by doing so.

But I'm also a realist. Decriminalization will never happen.

[Patrick Chewing]

great argument chump. :oldlol:


Your argument is to compare the weed consumption of Portugal to the cocaine infested, meth infested, fentanyl infested, and heroin infested streets of the United States. C'mon son. :oldlol:

[TheMan]

Your argument is to compare the weed consumption of Portugal to the cocaine infested, meth infested, fentanyl infested, and heroin infested streets of the United States. C'mon son. :oldlol:
Portugal legalized all drugs, not just weed and drug usage actually went down...why do act as if Portugal is a country out in the middle of nowhere where drugs can't get there :lol It's in Europe ffs, lol.

No wonder you're a Trump stan, you go by on hunch, instead of going by on logic. You have several different examples of legalization not leading to dramatic increases in drug use, Amsterdam too BTW but its your hunch that if cocaine is legal, everyone will rush to buy it :roll:

[red1]

Your argument is to compare the weed consumption of Portugal to the cocaine infested, meth infested, fentanyl infested, and heroin infested streets of the United States. C'mon son. :oldlol:
I was just answering your question. I don't even care if usage goes up a little bit.

My point is that legalization would go a long way to fix that exact problem that you brought up - the reason the streets are infested with drugs and druggies in the first place is because of the war on drugs. you're funding criminals and aren't fixing anything.

Legalize the substances, put the druggies in a corner and give them access (many of them are mentally ill or useless to society already), use the tax dollars on infrastructure and building/growing/fixing your cities.

it's that ****ing simple. people that are responsible and that have lives won't suddenly become drug addicts because drugs are legal. instead you'll fix a million other problems.

[CelticBaller]

Cartels kill each other over avocados

You get rid of the drug trade they will find another thing to smuggle

[Patrick Chewing]

Portugal legalized all drugs, not just weed and drug usage actually went down...why do act as if Portugal is a country out in the middle of nowhere where drugs can't get there :lol It's in Europe ffs, lol.

No wonder you're a Trump stan, you go by on hunch, instead of going by on logic. You have several different examples of legalization not leading to dramatic increases in drug use, Amsterdam too BTW but its your hunch that if cocaine is legal, everyone will rush to buy it :roll:


Is that how policy and laws are constructed? Cause another country did it first and it seems to work?

You're Mexican. Do you think Mexican culture is the same as American? How about German? Or does each country and continent have its own and unique culture? To think that the drug culture of the United States is similar to that of any European country is comical.

[red1]

and chewing YET AGAIN you shouldn't speak on things you know nothing about. have you ever spoken with anyone from portugal?


we have a portuguese community in the city in fact my CEO is a millionaire from portugal and he confirmed that in the 80's 90's it was dangerous but legalization literally solved that problem entirely. I just spoke with him again right now to pick his brain.


there's no such thing as a perfect solution but there are countless ways to make massive improvements. there's nothing worse on earth than someone who talks like they know something when they do nothing but spout hot air.

[red1]

Portugal legalized all drugs, not just weed and drug usage actually went down...why do act as if Portugal is a country out in the middle of nowhere where drugs can't get there :lol It's in Europe ffs, lol.

No wonder you're a Trump stan, you go by on hunch, instead of going by on logic. You have several different examples of legalization not leading to dramatic increases in drug use, Amsterdam too BTW but its your hunch that if cocaine is legal, everyone will rush to buy it :roll:
he's completely wrong on this. talk to anyone that was actually in portugal, my boss just told me he was there in 1992 and confirmed exactly what we are talking about. now they don't penalize you for smoking meth - METH not something harmless like weed, who's legalization and taxation is enough to make massive improvements.


and now they are MUCH better off as a society.

[Patrick Chewing]

Cartels kill each other over avocados

You get rid of the drug trade they will find another thing to smuggle


That's another good point.

Do some people think that these cartels will just go to being constructive members of society with honest jobs and pay their dues and everything will be fine?

[CelticBaller]

That's another good point.

Do some people think that these cartels will just go to being constructive members of society with honest jobs and pay their dues and everything will be fine?
Yeah at this point if you want to get rid of them you just going to have to destroy their organizations. Getting rid of a source of income isn’t going to cut it. For these people that shit is a way of life

[red1]

That's another good point.

Do some people think that these cartels will just go to being constructive members of society with honest jobs and pay their dues and everything will be fine?
look at your dumb-ass digging yourself another hole. who's saying they'll come nicely or play along?



you have to wipe them the **** out the way we did with ISIS.

[Patrick Chewing]

look at your dumb-ass digging yourself another hole. who's saying they'll come nicely or play along?



you have to wipe them the **** out the way we did with ISIS.


Oh lord almighty. What the hell do you think I've been advocating for in this entire thread? You have to fight fire with fire. Not legalize all drugs or this Hug-A-Narco approach the Mexican President is pushing for. :facepalm

The solution to drug use is to kill the supply and the supplier. Period.

[red1]

Oh lord almighty. What the hell do you think I've been advocating for in this entire thread? You have to fight fire with fire. Not legalize all drugs or this Hug-A-Narco approach the Mexican President is pushing for. :facepalm

The solution to drug use is to kill the supply and the supplier. Period.
you're advocating against legalization so you're already wrong there.


if you're saying the cartels need to be wiped out then of course you're right.


the only practical solution is to do both at the same time. it's not one or the other. BOTH are required.


legalization solves INTERNAL criminality as well. it's not just the cartels that are criminals, your streets are filled with criminals taking advantage of this broken system. the areas hit hardest by drug abuse need to profit and benefit from legalization as well, which will be easy because the pie will be massive when you start keeping the funds and stop giving it to gangs and cartels, or corrupt politicians and the corrupt interests they serve.


that change will never happen as long as there are idiots like you that think legalization is a bad thing. you're just doing the work for those politicians that want to keep you stupid.


I thought you were into draining the swamp?

[TheMan]

Cartels kill each other over avocados

You get rid of the drug trade they will find another thing to smuggle
Except avocados aren't illegal and people don't go through back channels to get them either...lol if you believe that if drugs are legal, the crime lords will move on en masse to avocados :oldlol:

[CelticBaller]

Except avocados aren't illegal and people don't go through back channels to get them either...lol if you believe that if drugs are legal, the crime lords will move on en masse to avocados :oldlol:
Bruh they literally do kill each other over the avocados trade. I didnt make that shit up

My point is that these dudes will find anything to make a quick dollar. Smuggling avocados and selling it at a lower price without paying any trading fees/taxes sure is lucrative enough to die for

[SomeBlackDude]

Sure they are, I never said the cartel would be wiped out, I said they would be greatly weakened. The Taliban used to run Afghanistan, they've been on their defensive for quite some time now.


no they haven't. there are more taliban members now than there were during the initial invasion of afghanistan. and not only that, their hold over the poppy cultivation in the country has grown even stronger.

part of the u.s. efforts there has been a $8 billion/year war on drugs.

[QUOTE]That the country has consistently produced about 85 percent of the world

[Long Duck Dong]

Except avocados aren't illegal and people don't go through back channels to get them either...lol if you believe that if drugs are legal, the crime lords will move on en masse to avocados :oldlol:

Will the cartels be as powerful without drugs? Probably not. Will organized crime still remain relevant in Mexico to a degree that way exceeds anything in a 1st world nation? Absolutely.

Take a look at Juarez and many other cities in Mexico. Basically every single shop owner has to pay protection to organized crime or get shut down. I imagine something similar happened to this American family. The Italian mob was infinitely more intelligent, creative and charismatic than these cartels yet it's been decades since people feared for their lives around them here in the states. With modern law enforcement technology there's no reason these cartels should exist.

Drag yourselves out of the 3rd world already Mexico. :facepalm

[highwhey]

Will the cartels be as powerful without drugs? Probably not. Will organized crime still remain relevant in Mexico to a degree that way exceeds anything in a 1st world nation? Absolutely.

Take a look at Juarez and many other cities in Mexico. Basically every single shop owner has to pay protection to organized crime or get shut down. I imagine something similar happened to this American family. The Italian mob was infinitely more intelligent, creative and charismatic than these cartels yet it's been decades since people feared for their lives around them here in the states. With modern law enforcement technology there's no reason these cartels should exist.

Drag yourselves out of the 3rd world already Mexico. :facepalm
if we're going down this praise organized crime road, you're dead wrong. the sinaloa cartel were loved by the locals, they devised routes to evade detection from the american goverment that spends TRILLIONS of dollars on survallance and military systems. chapo's fortune is estimated to be in the Billions. at every point during his prime, he was several steps ahead of the american goverment. who do you think Jay got inspired to come up with the following lyrics: "Viva Mexico, Cubano
Dominicano, all the plugs that I know
Driving Benzes, with' no benefits
Not bad huh? For some immigrants
Build your fences, we diggin' tunnels
Can't you see? We gettin' money up under you"

Chapo locked up for life bc he made fools out of the american government. hell, the DEA still butthurt that Rafael Caro is not locked up.

the italian mob was also racist af, they hated black people. good ol' malcom x had run ins with the racist mob.

[Patrick Chewing]

Chapo locked up for life bc he made fools out of the american government.


This guy.


Chapo is locked up for life because he's a drug dealer and a murderer.

[Facepalm]

no they haven't. there are more taliban members now than there were during the initial invasion of afghanistan. and not only that, their hold over the poppy cultivation in the country has grown even stronger.

part of the u.s. efforts there has been a $8 billion/year war on drugs.



since the initial invasion of 2001, would you say the heroin/opioid problem, especially in the states, has gotten better or worse? :confusedshrug:

and maga, just last month, was on the verge of surrendering to them (https://www.vox.com/world/2019/10/21/20899024/afghanistan-war-us-taliban-peace-talks-trump-troop-withdrawal).




cartel members die by the tens of thousands every year. they have proven they are more than ready to die for their movement.

people are under the impression that the taliban is just a bunch of cave dwelling islamist fanatics who just pray all day every day and commit jihad.

nope. in practical terms they are no different than the mexican cartels. they are first and foremost the world's #1 supplier of opioids/heroin who work hand-in-hand with criminal orgs on every continent, the mexicans included.




like i said before, would not be surprised to learn that they have already built high end bunker systems in the mountains for such a contingency. it's what i'd do in chapo's position. :confusedshrug:




aka it would never work. :lol




right because the center of the drug trade moved north. even if you took out the mexican cartels, someone else would just pick up the slack. too much $ at stake.

I still disagree that Afghanistan is the right situation to compare this too. There's a big difference between a country half a world away and our immediate neighbor who we already have significant ties with. And yes, someone else will pick up the slack but we won't be sharing a border with them.

[SomeBlackDude]

I still disagree that Afghanistan is the right situation to compare this too. There's a big difference between a country half a world away and our immediate neighbor who we already have significant ties with. And yes, someone else will pick up the slack but we won't be sharing a border with them.

fun fact- before medellin and the cartels were the #1 suppliers for 'murrican junkies, the french connection entry into the country was through canada. specifically the montreal arm of the bonanno crime family. virtually all of the smack that came into the country during the first heroin epidemic of the 60s-70s came through the northern border.

trudeau if maga goes after chapo jr and the mexican cartels.

https://i.imgflip.com/37u3g1.png

[highwhey]

This guy.


Chapo is locked up for life because he's a drug dealer and a murderer.
nah, he was a statement lockup. drug problem hasn't even dipped since his arrest. :confusedshrug:

El Chapo maintained peace by bringing all the kingpins together and keeping an agreement in place.

Once arrested, chaos ensued.

[Hawker]

sorry my man I was busy doing my job and taking care of my clients.

the examples exist. look at portugal and canada for weed.


now you tell me a single benefit society receives by keeping marijuana and mushrooms illegal. I'll tell you a benefit of legalization right now - a shitload of tax dollars from marijuana alone.

This should never be a reason to legalize marijuana. It should be to keep "criminals" out of jails for something minor as smoking marijuana.

By introducing a tax, are you going to send someone to jail for selling marijuana tax free?

You think that arresting and fining people for selling loose cigarettes a productive use of time? That's what is happening now. Maybe poor people still can't afford legal marijuana - you gonna throw them in jail for buying off the streets still?

[Hawker]

do you know how many brown children white americans have killed in the middle east the last 20 years?

https://www-cache.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/art/progs/3220/mexico_homicides.png

^From 2015.

[highwhey]

https://d14rmgtrwzf5a.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/odr-graph1.jpg

America's version of cartels are pharma executives

https://i.postimg.cc/FHNxXw1N/fdf7167469b57f177edbf7a9e3eec5f5.png

[TheMan]

According to these graphs...more Americans died of drug overdose since 2007 than people were killed in the Mexican drug war violence :eek:

I knew it was bad but holy shit
:facepalm

[tpols]

According to these graphs...more Americans died of drug overdose since 2007 than people were killed in the Mexican drug war violence :eek:

I knew it was bad but holy shit
:facepalm


Assuming opiates or benzos, an OD is a sweet painless death.

Getting abruptly torn to shreds by savages... aint.

:pimp:

[stalkerforlife]

I don't know how the USA is allowing immoral Mexico to continue this so close to our home.

They shouldn't need an invite from the corrupt Mexican government.

Drug dealers and murderers are running that hell hole and the strongest military in the world is doing nothing.

Appalling.

[warriorfan]

https://www-cache.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/art/progs/3220/mexico_homicides.png

^From 2015.

Eye opening graph. More killed than literal war zones. What a shitty place.

[TheMan]

To be fair, Mexico's population is almost 130 million to Iraq's 38 million and Afghanistan's 35 million...but yeah, those numbers are insane.

[MMM]

Am I crazy but I sware the Taliban cut off poppy production in the 90s. I get a lot has changed since then but if the freaking Taliban can cut off production than why has the US military ultimately failed????

[highwhey]

To be fair, Mexico's population is almost 130 million to Iraq's 38 million and Afghanistan's 35 million...but yeah, those numbers are insane.
US is slightly twice Mexico's population...yet they have almost 3x in overdose deaths bs cartel deaths...seems like America has a very big problem.

[egokiller]

Why are we trying to down play how bad Mexico is?

Big difference between someone choosing to do drugs and dying vs someone not choosing to be murdered by someone else.

[Raymone]

B-b-but what about cancer? That kills over 600k Americans every year!

[TheMan]

Why are we trying to down play how bad Mexico is?

Big difference between someone choosing to do drugs and dying vs someone not choosing to be murdered by someone else.
What part of most of these victims were involved in cartels and were shady individuals don't you guys get? Sorry but if you're in a cartel and you get murdered, it's on you...a tragedy is what happened to those Mormons, and other innocent civilians being killed but those aren't the ones who are mostly being killed. If these savages wanna murder each other, by all means be my guest, as long as they don't take innocent lives with them.

[Patrick Chewing]

Why are we trying to down play how bad Mexico is?



They're just trying to defend their home country I suppose. You'd have to be an idiot to think that Mexico isn't a violent shithole at the moment at the mercy of the cartels.

I mean, we have 9 people killed including 6 children, and the only thing the Mexican President can say is that we should hug it out and that violence against the cartels only leads to more violence? What kind of corrupt shit is that??

I mean who are we kidding here? Anyone remember Kiki Camarena?

http://marineparents.com/images/newsletters/2015/october/kiki-camarena.jpg

He was tortured and killed 35 years ago by the people who groomed El Chapo. Nothing's changed in 35 years!

[n00bie]

Definitely personal. What kind of white family would live in Mexico? People only stay in resorts in Mexico. If you're an American living there, you're definitely doing something illegal.

[TheMan]

Definitely personal. What kind of white family would live in Mexico? People only stay in resorts in Mexico. If you're an American living there, you're definitely doing something illegal.
:roll:

https://youtu.be/vjAet-Af190

Yeah dude, you just exposed Mexico's newest cartel, Los Geriatricos, and all this time we thought they were kindly old folks :( Heard that their favorite method of torturing rivals was gumming them to death...pure evil.

[highwhey]

B-b-but what about cancer? That kills over 600k Americans every year!
The government can't stop cancer, but they could have put an end to overprescribing opiates which hooked normal people on heroin. Lots of stories of people getting surgery or breaking a bone and being sent home with ridiculous amounts of opiates that they didn't know were addictive and all of a sudden they are addicted.

Pharma execs paying doctors to push these pills.

Government turning a blind eye.

Low iq comparison, but what else would i expect from you raymone :(

[Raymone]

The government can't stop cancer, but they could have put an end to overprescribing opiates which hooked normal people on heroin. Lots of stories of people getting surgery or breaking a bone and being sent home with ridiculous amounts of opiates that they didn't know were addictive and all of a sudden they are addicted.

Pharma execs paying doctors to push these pills.

Government turning a blind eye.

Low iq comparison, but what else would i expect from you raymone :(

That's the point, Alonzo. Trying to diminish the fact that nearly 200k have been murdered in Mexico since '07 with your dumb whataboutism with ODs is as stupid and irrelevant as doing the same with cancer.

[red1]

This should never be a reason to legalize marijuana. It should be to keep "criminals" out of jails for something minor as smoking marijuana.

By introducing a tax, are you going to send someone to jail for selling marijuana tax free?

You think that arresting and fining people for selling loose cigarettes a productive use of time? That's what is happening now. Maybe poor people still can't afford legal marijuana - you gonna throw them in jail for buying off the streets still?
I'm not sure what you're referring to. I'm saying legalize and decriminalize it and give people the option of buying it legally. When you legalize it you give people the option of growing it themselves as well, so there's no need to enforce anything like that.

But when you sell it in a store, you tax it and it's still the same as street prices when you include that tax, except a good chunk of that goes to the your provincial or state government, and a chunk goes to the federal government.

https://business.financialpost.com/cannabis/cannabis-business/governments-raked-in-186-million-in-taxes-on-cannabis-trade-in-first-five-months-of-legalization

Canada is just a small population, less than 40 million people. Imagine rolling that out to 300+ million people. People that are smoking marijuana already. Can do some real good with those funds.


Even better, it's a win for the consumer because you're smoking that good shit and grabbing it like you're just grabbing booze. Which is how it should be.

[highwhey]

That's the point, Alonzo. Trying to diminish the fact that nearly 200k have been murdered in Mexico since '07 with your dumb whataboutism with ODs is as stupid and irrelevant as doing the same with cancer.
Whataboutism?

You stupid dumb ****, ODs could be reduced significantly if the american government wasn't accepting bribes from big pharma to look the other way!

The government COULD have intervened earlier, but they didn't :wtf:

Cancer cannot be stopped.

What don't you get?

[Raymone]

Whataboutism?

You stupid dumb ****, ODs could be reduced significantly if the american government wasn't accepting bribes from big pharma to look the other way!

The government COULD have intervened earlier, but they didn't :wtf:

Cancer cannot be stopped.

What don't you get?

Cool, my feeble-minded amigo. How does that lessen the severity of the murdering that's been going on south of the border for over a decade?

[Raymone]

Mexico has a problem.

Pfft, what about overdoses in the US? Big pharma! The bank bailouts and chemtrails!

[Patrick Chewing]

Mexico has a problem.

Pfft, what about overdoses in the US? Big pharma! The bank bailouts and chemtrails!


LOL no accountability from these clowns.

[TheMan]

LOL no accountability from these clowns.
You could say the same about the mass shootings in the US, which by the way, you guys are due for a biggie anytime now.

USA be like...

Mass shooting occurs, countless dead and injured...
Major coverage by the media for a few days and soon forgotten since they are so common now...
In the unlikely event that the perp is a Muslim or a black or Hispanic...ban Muslims! Blacks are violent! Build the wall!
Likely scenario dude is white, blame it on mental incels, nothing else could be done, thoughts and prayers...
Rinse and repeat...

You guys are in a real tizzy, panties all bunched up especially since the victims were white and Americans, you didn't see us get all hysterical after the El Paso white gunman targeted and killed more Mexicans than those poor Mormons who were killed. :confusedshrug:

Faux outrage

[highwhey]

Cool, my feeble-minded amigo. How does that lessen the severity of the murdering that's been going on south of the border for over a decade?
you americans act like your shit don't stink, when in reality, it's as bad if not worse. the graphic demonstrated how severe the drug situation is in america, more overall deaths than cartel violence.

SAD situation when you realize how corrupt the American government is :(

[CelticBaller]

Mexicans leave in thousands to the US every year

Please stop with the whataboutism. The US is not perfect but is far from the current shithole that Mexico is

[highwhey]

They're just trying to defend their home country I suppose. You'd have to be an idiot to think that Mexico isn't a violent shithole at the moment at the mercy of the cartels.

I mean, we have 9 people killed including 6 children, and the only thing the Mexican President can say is that we should hug it out and that violence against the cartels only leads to more violence? What kind of corrupt shit is that??

I mean who are we kidding here? Anyone remember Kiki Camarena?

http://marineparents.com/images/newsletters/2015/october/kiki-camarena.jpg

He was tortured and killed 35 years ago by the people who groomed El Chapo. Nothing's changed in 35 years!allegedly. there is no definitive proof the cartel killed him, as shady as the DEA and CIA were in those days, I wouldn't put it past me to believe the american government betrayed one of their own:confusedshrug:

[highwhey]

Mexicans leave in thousands to the US every year

Please stop with the whataboutism. The US is not perfect but is far from the current shithole that Mexico is
and there's alot of Expats in Mexico, more than you are willing to believe. also, why do americans call themselves expats but when you go to america, you're an immigrant? :oldlol:

[CelticBaller]

Again with the whataboutism

Please show me a graph where hundreds of thousands of poor Americans are fleeing to Mexico?

[CelticBaller]

It

[highwhey]

Again with the whataboutism

Please show me a graph where hundreds of thousands of poor Americans are fleeing to Mexico?
i didn't say hundreds of thousands? why are you twisting my words?

also, please adress the question i asked you? you come off as another merican that believes his shit don't stink. :rolleyes:

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]It

[CelticBaller]

The difference is you don

[CelticBaller]

Bruh there’s literally political threads discussing American problems

The only difference here we don’t look at Mexico to divert the conversation.

[highwhey]

the bombings of innocent middle eastern children that american goverment has carried out, is worse than the massacre of this family.

yet no one is seeing jail time. please explain why you call these cartel members monsters (rightfully so), but you act like your own government isn't full of monsters either?

[CelticBaller]

the bombings of innocent middle eastern children that american goverment has carried out, is worse than the massacre of this family.

yet no one is seeing jail time. please explain why you call these cartel members monsters (rightfully so), but you act like your own government isn't full of monsters either?
1. We don

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]1. We don

[CelticBaller]

Because it

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Because it

[Patrick Chewing]

You could say the same about the mass shootings in the US, which by the way, you guys are due for a biggie anytime now.

USA be like...

Mass shooting occurs, countless dead and injured...
Major coverage by the media for a few days and soon forgotten since they are so common now...
In the unlikely event that the perp is a Muslim or a black or Hispanic...ban Muslims! Blacks are violent! Build the wall!
Likely scenario dude is white, blame it on mental incels, nothing else could be done, thoughts and prayers...
Rinse and repeat...

You guys are in a real tizzy, panties all bunched up especially since the victims were white and Americans, you didn't see us get all hysterical after the El Paso white gunman targeted and killed more Mexicans than those poor Mormons who were killed. :confusedshrug:

Faux outrage


Mass shooters all have a mental problem. We have a mental problem in this country. We've been saying this for years, while the blowhards in the media want you to believe we have a gun problem instead.

The shootings are not forgotten, but our government officials refuse to address the real problem behind it. Look at your faux-Mexican Beto. He wanted to confiscate your AR-15's and AK-47's, and if you didn't comply, you go to jail. Guess where he's at right now? Out of the race.

I could care less what the race of the victims are. Why do you automatically assume that if you're White and Conservative, that you're some sort of bigot? The first people who usually mention race tend to lean Left in my experiences. Weird, huh?

[CelticBaller]

"it's not relevant"

*proceeds to discuss the matter and advance the narrative*

you just proved my point.
We

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]We

[TheMan]

umm did you skip over several paghes of people bringing up american government intervening?
Why are you wasting your time with these dudes? They are obviously ashamed of their ancestral homeland, must really be the real shitholes they constantly bring up.

Mexico obviously has its share of problems but what country doesn't, including the US? Most Mexicans leave for the US for better economic opportunities, (they don't go as refugees) that happens everywhere in the world when one neighboring country has a stronger economy than the other. The US is still the top dog economically, Mexico in comparison isn't on that level but we do have the 13th strongest economy in the world, not bad when you consider there are about 200 nations on Earth. Lots of people from South America and Spain move to Mexico each year, obviously they aren't moving to the dangerous places here, as you would expect a foreign businessman isn't moving his family to one of Chicago's mean streets.

Let them think what they want, who GAF.

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]The difference is you don

[Loco 50]

https://www.atlasandboots.com/happiest-countries-in-the-world-ranked/


Happiest countries in the world 2019

[highwhey]

[QUOTE=Loco 50]https://www.atlasandboots.com/happiest-countries-in-the-world-ranked/


Happiest countries in the world 2019

[dude77]

mexico definitely has its shithole 3rd world parts .. I can't think of any place in the states where you're in fear of being blackmailed/extorted by the cops because you're a tourist lol

[egokiller]

What part of most of these victims were involved in cartels and were shady individuals don't you guys get? Sorry but if you're in a cartel and you get murdered, it's on you...a tragedy is what happened to those Mormons, and other innocent civilians being killed but those aren't the ones who are mostly being killed. If these savages wanna murder each other, by all means be my guest, as long as they don't take innocent lives with them.

Right, but I was referring to the graph that was posted showing the high number of deaths. Big difference between death caused by your own negligence (drug overdose), vs another individual taking a life. No one can defend the # of deaths caused by the cartel in Mexico because the number is simply too astronomically high compared to everywhere else in the world. Are you surprised that people are calling it a shit hole based on the number of homicides per 100,000 being highest in the world?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_by_murder_rate

[egokiller]

Why are you wasting your time with these dudes? They are obviously ashamed of their ancestral homeland, must really be the real shitholes they constantly bring up.

Mexico obviously has its share of problems but what country doesn't, including the US? Most Mexicans leave for the US for better economic opportunities, (they don't go as refugees) that happens everywhere in the world when one neighboring country has a stronger economy than the other. The US is still the top dog economically, Mexico in comparison isn't on that level but we do have the 13th strongest economy in the world, not bad when you consider there are about 200 nations on Earth. Lots of people from South America and Spain move to Mexico each year, obviously they aren't moving to the dangerous places here, as you would expect a foreign businessman isn't moving his family to one of Chicago's mean streets.

Let them think what they want, who GAF.

Share of problems? 5 out of the top 6 cities for most homicides per year are based in Mexico. :facepalm

[Long Duck Dong]

Damn. The Sinaloa cartel gunned down the officer who initially arrested the son of El Chapo in broad daylight with 150 shots and the president is on national television talking about how they can better kiss the cartel's ass. :facepalm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-EIHRcq5CHU

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/07/22/20741282-7662587-image-a-8_1573166273623.jpg

No nation can be this beta. The president has to be on the payroll of the cartel too or they have something on him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Shithole country.

[Norcaliblunt]

I wonder who

[CelticBaller]

Damn. The Sinaloa cartel gunned down the officer who initially arrested the son of El Chapo in broad daylight with 150 shots and the president is on national television talking about how they can better kiss the cartel's ass. :facepalm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-EIHRcq5CHU

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/07/22/20741282-7662587-image-a-8_1573166273623.jpg

No nation can be this beta. The president has to be on the payroll of the cartel too or they have something on him.
Damn

They should

[highwhey]

Damn. The Sinaloa cartel gunned down the officer who initially arrested the son of El Chapo in broad daylight with 150 shots and the president is on national television talking about how they can better kiss the cartel's ass. :facepalm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-EIHRcq5CHU

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/11/07/22/20741282-7662587-image-a-8_1573166273623.jpg

.
this is sad and unfortunate.

even with this threat, mexican cops are not ******* like american cops that reach for their weapon as soon as they see a brown person and shoot unarmed people every day.

thank you for sharing that LDD, i've got several of you so triggered your sharing these news for me, saves me time from having to make threads :cheers:

[Long Duck Dong]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]I wonder who

[Patrick Chewing]

thank you for sharing that LDD, i've got several of you so triggered your sharing these news for me, saves me time from having to make threads :cheers:


You wouldn't create these threads anyways, so it's you who's shook seeing how many replies you've made in a thread that talks about how bad and corrupt the Mexican government is. So it clearly has an effect on you personally.

Mexico could lob missiles over the border and kill hundreds and you'll be banging pots and pans on the street in celebration.

[egokiller]

The irony of that question with your name? :oldlol:

:lebronamazed:

[highwhey]

You wouldn't create these threads anyways, so it's you who's shook seeing how many replies you've made in a thread that talks about how bad and corrupt the Mexican government is. So it clearly has an effect on you personally.

Mexico could lob missiles over the border and kill hundreds and you'll be banging pots and pans on the street in celebration.
How disturbed in the mind are you to believe i would celebrate deaths of people? Once again, you prove how little you value the human life. Get some help man. :biggums:

[TheMan]

The irony of that question with your name? :oldlol:
Isn't weed legal in CA?

[CelticBaller]

Isn't weed legal in CA?
Legalization doesn

[SomeBlackDude]

150 shots

150 rounds in like 20 seconds.

'murrican made firepower is no joke. :eek:


The president has to be on the payroll of the cartel too

most likely.

cop who was killed was prob sold out by his fellow officers who are on the take too.

[TheMan]

Legalization doesn’t stop the cartel from selling it
Of course not because weed from Mexico will just go to other states that still has weed as an illicit drug.

People in Cali don't need to buy weed from drug dealers when they can legally buy it or even grow it.

[TheMan]

150 rounds in like 20 seconds.

'murrican made firepower is no joke. :eek:



most likely.

cop who was killed was prob sold out by his fellow officers who are on the take too.
Of course, they wear ski masks to hide their identity so there was no way the cartel could ID him unless a scumbag cop gave them the info.

[CelticBaller]

Of course not because weed from Mexico will just go to other states that still has weed as an illicit drug.

People in Cali don't need to buy weed from drug dealers when they can legally buy it or even grow it.
Lol it doesn

[SomeBlackDude]

Of course, they wear ski masks to hide their identity so there was no way the cartel could ID him unless a scumbag cop gave them the info.

yup. unless the sinaloa cartel has a psychic working for them, that poor dude's identity/whereabouts were given to them by one of his sworn brothers.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/640/cpsprodpb/7E7A/production/_86187323_86187322.jpg

the price of being one of the few honest cops.

r.i.p.

[TheMan]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Lol it doesn

[CelticBaller]

Simple question...

If all drugs were made legal in the US today...would cartels still rake in the same amount they do today or would the suffer monetary losses?

Their very lucrative business wouldn't be so lucrative...they'd still make money but less money = less power...
Agreed, but they will still be in play. Illegal tobacco trade is a thing, avocado smuggling is a thing

The real way to get rid of them is to destroy the organizations. The end of prohibition didn

[dude77]

funkytown cartel


https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/ohhh.pnghttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/picard.pnghttps://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjcry1.png

[Levity]

Of course not because weed from Mexico will just go to other states that still has weed as an illicit drug.

People in Cali don't need to buy weed from drug dealers when they can legally buy it or even grow it.

The insane tax on legal weird here has a lot of people buying from "dealers" and other non legit clinics.

im talking like 20-40 bux tax per 100 dollars you spend.

[Norcaliblunt]

You guys don

[scuzzy]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]You guys don

[senelcoolidge]

Ridding the cartels would benefit not just the U.S., but Mexico. You know their president is corrupt AF when he refuses help to rid the cartels. Mexico continues to be a sh#thole and a burden.

[Hawker]

Why is the beer so shit in Mexico? Bought some microbrews from a liqour store in Playa Del Carmen and tasted like ass.

Fix your beer first and then we can talk about the cartel.

[dude77]

google funkytown cartel .. they can't pay me to go over there .. plenty of nice beaches around here I'm good

[TheMan]

google funkytown cartel .. they can't pay me to go over there .. plenty of nice beaches around here I'm good
You do realize that these people getting executed on video are cartel members, or in the case of the uncle and nephew one, ratting cartel info to a rival cartel? They aren't nabbing civilians off the streets and torturing/executing them on video just because they got nothing else better to do..

There are extremely dangerous places in Mexico, smart to avoid those, the rest of the country just has your normal crime that occurs anywhere else in the world. If you aren't involved in any cartel business, you're chances of ending up in a cartel video are basically nil.

BTW, just saw the descriptions of what's in those videos, ain't gonna ruin my weekend watching that graphic brutal shit...

[Long Duck Dong]

Damn, the cartel mowed down a bunch of police officers today, killing 5 of them. No one arrested. The president will probably come out on Monday and urge patience and restraint to law enforcement acting out against the cartels.


https://mobile.twitter.com/LPueblo2/status/1193049551147544576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1193049551147544576&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fborder%2 F2019%2F11%2F09%2Ffive-mexican-cops-gunned-down-in-southern-mexico%2F

[dude77]

You do realize that these people getting executed on video are cartel members, or in the case of the uncle and nephew one, ratting cartel info to a rival cartel? They aren't nabbing civilians off the streets and torturing/executing them on video just because they got nothing else better to do..

There are extremely dangerous places in Mexico, smart to avoid those, the rest of the country just has your normal crime that occurs anywhere else in the world. If you aren't involved in any cartel business, you're chances of ending up in a cartel video are basically nil.

BTW, just saw the descriptions of what's in those videos, ain't gonna ruin my weekend watching that graphic brutal shit...


yeah I'm aware it's usually cartel on cartel violence but a 6 yr old isn't part of any cartel .. my point is they'll kill whoever they have to and in the most horrific way .. yes, it's usually gang on gang but innocents can get caught up .. but you live there and know how things are better so I'll take your word for it but I'm not risking that shit lol

[Raymone]

You do realize that these people getting executed on video are cartel members, or in the case of the uncle and nephew one, ratting cartel info to a rival cartel? They aren't nabbing civilians off the streets and torturing/executing them on video just because they got nothing else better to do..

There are extremely dangerous places in Mexico, smart to avoid those, the rest of the country just has your normal crime that occurs anywhere else in the world. If you aren't involved in any cartel business, you're chances of ending up in a cartel video are basically nil.

BTW, just saw the descriptions of what's in those videos, ain't gonna ruin my weekend watching that graphic brutal shit...

43 students (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/cartel-members-arrested-in-hunt-for-43-kidnapped-students-a6828741.html) is one case that comes to mind.

[Raymone]

A post from one of the Mexican commenters about the funky town video:


The video was first uploaded on September 26th in 2016, so I guess it was created just a few days before that day.

From what I know the killers in this video are members of the Sinaloa Cartel and judging by their accents I guess they are from Chihuahua. Of course the Sinaloa Cartel isn't the only cartel operating in Chihuahua, but they are the strongest cartel in that area.

Cartel killings are "normal" here (depending on where you live), but usually the sicarios don't go to such an extreme like the killers in that video did. Most victims get shot.

How I feel about it? Well, I just hope I never get kidnapped by a cartel. Quite in contrary to what many people say the cartels don't just target rival cartel members or people who mess with them. ANYONE can be a victim. It doesn't matter if you're a rival, a lawyer, a police officer, a government official or a soldier. Maybe you're just unable to pay an extortion fee. Maybe you're just related to a rival cartel member or a policeman. Maybe it's your dad who can't pay the extortion fee and they kidnap YOU to make your dad pay?. There are a lot of reasons. There are also civilians dying in shootouts just because they happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. It's not like the cartels care about them.

[TheMan]

A post from one of the Mexican commenters about the funky town video:
Can you find a post where I said that 100% of the victims of cartel violence are other cartel members? I am aware that some civilians can get caught up in a crossfire...but facts are facts, the vast majority that have been killed are up to no good. Extortion and kidnappings, that happens in other parts of the world too, cartel violence doesn't except in countries like MX and some Central and South American countries (obviously not to extent that unfortunately is happening in MX).

Your agenda is to paint Mexico as negatively as you can, as if the cartel victims are mostly civilians...they aren't. You want me to post links of American kids being killed in gang shootouts in Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis etc? One happened just recently on Halloween night, little girl got shot in the neck...stop pretending that shit only happens in Mexico.

I've said numerous times, there are extremely dangerous places in MX, but the majority of the country isn't...facts back up my statement..

And at least we don't get incel mass shooters murdering people randomly over here...must be tough leaving your kids off at school each morning not knowing if that'll be the last time you see them alive.

[highwhey]

bullets used to kill the family have been traced back to an american manufacturer. not shocked at all. :facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

bullets used to kill the family have been traced back to an american manufacturer. not shocked at all. :facepalm


The United States manufactures a lot of ammunition. This is no shock at all.

[highwhey]

The United States manufactures a lot of ammunition. This is no shock at all.
correct.

what is of problem is your government directly put over 1,000 weapons in the hands of cartels at a low price of $750/weapon. this is are the estimated figures from 1 mission, the fast and furious mission. other similar missions have been carried out without any estimated figures. do you have any comment?

[stalkerforlife]

Damn, the cartel mowed down a bunch of police officers today, killing 5 of them. No one arrested. The president will probably come out on Monday and urge patience and restraint to law enforcement acting out against the cartels.


https://mobile.twitter.com/LPueblo2/status/1193049551147544576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1193049551147544576&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.breitbart.com%2Fborder%2 F2019%2F11%2F09%2Ffive-mexican-cops-gunned-down-in-southern-mexico%2F

Unreal.

Can't believe the USA won't force their hand and save Mexico.

Sad.

[highwhey]

Unreal.

Can't believe the USA won't force their hand and save Mexico.

Sad.
thats bc Mexico knows it's suspicious.

150 DEA agents showed up to Mexico 3 months ago.

All of a sudden shit starts sturring up.

NOT A WORD on the street on which cartel was behind the killing of this fam. VERY strange bc behind every killing, the street keeps their ear to the ground. When those 43 kids went missing, everyone knew who was behind it. Strange indeed. Is there an american agency that has along history of stirring shit up to destabilize a region???

[stalkerforlife]

thats bc Mexico knows it's suspicious.

150 DEA agents showed up to Mexico 3 months ago.

All of a sudden shit starts sturring up.

NOT A WORD on the street on which cartel was behind the killing of this fam. VERY strange bc behind every killing, the street keeps their ear to the ground. When those 43 kids went missing, everyone knew who was behind it. Strange indeed. Is there an american agency that has along history of stirring shit up to destabilize a region???

Do you think the American government orchestrated 9/11?

[highwhey]

Do you think the American government orchestrated 9/11?
i think they played a part or let it happen. remember, the FBI allowed the murder of Malcom X, they knew about it. The FBI at the time knew about the racial tensions between the Italian Mafia and the Black Community in Harlem. They had more surveillance on Malcom X then the Mob.

[Raymone]

The United States manufactures a lot of ammunition. This is no shock at all.

It's like blaming McDonald's for making him fat. Yeah, it's readily available and potentially harmful. But he's the free-willed being going out of his way to consume it.

Anything to deflect responsibility.

[highwhey]

It's like blaming McDonald's for making him fat. Yeah, it's readily available and potentially harmful. But he's the free-willed being going out of his way to consume it.

Anything to deflect responsibility.
6,786
MINIMUM CONFIRMED STRIKES
8,459-12,105
TOTAL KILLED
769-1,725
CIVILIANS KILLED
253-397
CHILDREN KILLED

:rolleyes: any comments?

[Long Duck Dong]

And at least we don't get incel mass shooters murdering people randomly over here...must be tough leaving your kids off at school each morning not knowing if that'll be the last time you see them alive.


There have been 114 children killed in school shootings in the last 10 years. Even 1 is too many but it's not an epidemic. Most of those were not mass shootings but in the ghetto. A child is 30x more likely to drown in the home pool. A person in the US is anywhere between 50x-250x, depending on who's figures you believe, more likely to die by an illegal alien than die by a shooting at school.

[RoseCity07]

I visit Mexico frequently and this pisses me off. I hope they catch these ****ers and just slaughter them. These mother ****ers kill babies. It's sickening.