30 point games in 1st four seasons among pure scorers

[Rico2016]

LeBron: 122 (13 in his rookie year)
Durant: 104 (7 in his rookie year)
Ingram: 6 total (and counting for this season)

top 3 pure scorers

[warriorfan]

What about Pippen?

[hiphopanonymous]

You've left out a ton of players with comparable or more 30 point games in their first 4 seasons than the two you chose to list.

Quick examples only because I had excel sheets on them:

Wilt - 292
Jabbar - 226
Robertson - 181
Baylor - 176
West - 115

[Rico2016]

You've left out a ton of players with comparable or more 30 point games in their first 4 seasons than the two you chose to list.

Quick examples only because I had excel sheets on them:

Wilt - 292
Jabbar - 226
Robertson - 181
Baylor - 176
West - 115

I was mostly focusing on the post car mechanic Model-T eras. Thanks for your information anyway.

[hiphopanonymous]

I was mostly focusing on the post car mechanic Model-T eras. Thanks for your information anyway.
Ah you meant to only include the banned defense eras - got it :cheers:

[3ball]

LeBron: 122 (13 in his rookie year)
Durant: 104 (7 in his rookie year)
Ingram: 6 total (and counting for this season)

top 3 pure scorers
Lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the court.. that's his problem and that's why he isn't a "pure" scorer, in addition to having a weak instinct or "nose" for scoring.

and he has poor touch in general on his shot from anywhere on the court, except at the rim where he benefits from era somewhat over guys like MJ or Bird

his weaker shooting means he isn't a "quick-hitter" scorer, which is what wrankles defenses the most and forces adjustments.. defenses meet penetrators at the rim with multiple defenders, and only need to double-team hot shooters to get the ball out of their hands before another bomb galvanizes their team further..

Lebron's weaker shooting allows single-coverage (09' ECF and 15 Finals, to name a few), so defenses stay at home on already marginalized spot-up shooters.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Ah you meant to only include the banned defense eras - got it :cheers:


Right bro, because who gives a **** about those old timers you mentioned?

[Manny98]

Lebron isn't an elite shooter from anywhere on the court.. that's his problem and that's why he isn't a "pure" scorer, in addition to having a weak instinct or "nose" for scoring.

and he has poor touch in general on his shot from anywhere on the court, except at the rim where he benefits from era somewhat over guys like MJ or Bird

his weaker shooting means he isn't a "quick-hitter" scorer, which is what wrankles defenses the most and forces adjustments.. defenses meet penetrators at the rim with multiple defenders, and only need to double-team hot shooters to get the ball out of their hands before another bomb galvanizes their team further..

Lebron's weaker shooting allows single-coverage (09' ECF and 15 Finals, to name a few), so defenses stay at home on already marginalized spot-up shooters.
LeBron is a better deep range shooter

MJs shooting ability was limited from inside the arc

[Embers]

LeBron: 122 (13 in his rookie year)
Durant: 104 (7 in his rookie year)
Ingram: 6 total (and counting for this season)

top 3 pure scorers

Eric Paschall 2 total (and counting for next 4 seasons)

[3ball]

LeBron is a better deep range shooter

MJs shooting ability was limited from inside the arc
deep range isn't the majority of curry's shooting, and it's a miniscule part of Lebron's

regarding 3-point shooting in general, players in MJ's era shot more difficult threes because they were on the move (off-screens) versus today's stand-still threes taken via drive-and-kick

If previous eras used today's high screen roll and spread floor setup, MJ would've attempted many stand-still threes like today's players, which inflates their percentage.. these stand-still threes are also more open - 89% of today's threes are taken with 4-6 feet from closest defender ("open") or 6+ feet away ("wide open") according to NBA.com player-tracking data.

Nonetheless, despite today's built in advantages and strategy designed to maximize threes and ease of shooting, MJ's numbers matched or exceeded Lebron's anytime he tried (less than 1.5 attempts in every season except two seasons where he shot 35% and 38% on 3+ attempts), or anytime it mattered (35.2% on 2.1 attempts in 85-93' playoffs; 39% in 93' Playoffs on 4 attempts; 38% in 91-93' Finals)

All these numbers of when MJ either tried or mattered are better than Lebron's.. But regardless of all that - MJ was simply the better shooter from any distance - superior form, superior touch, just a far better jumpshooter - anyone that knows basketball knows that MJ is a goat jumpshooter (i.e. his "fadeaway" was essentially his jumpshot (and most player's jumpshot) and MJ's fadeaway was a kareem-sky-hook type of move, and again, we're talking about his JUMPSHOT.. So MJ's jumper was world's better than Lebron's and nearly anyone in history - the "fadeaway" was a goat move (fadeaway goat move = MJ's jumper.. MJ is infact the goat scorer because the majority of his field goals were jumpers)
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[PP34Deuce]

You don't average 27 as a career and have a weak nose for scoring.

There have been freakish athletes that can't score.

Lebron has been 20+ ppg scorer since day 1.

[Rico2016]

LeBron is a better deep range shooter

MJs shooting ability was limited from inside the arc

The league even tried to move up the line for Jordan to WNBA distance but he was still a terrible shooter

[Rico2016]

You don't average 27 as a career and have a weak nose for scoring.

There have been freakish athletes that can't score.

Lebron has been 20+ ppg scorer since day 1.

Not to mention he actually had more 30 point games than even Durant did after their first four years in the league. And Durant got to come in a year later

Record set by LBJ with most straight 25 ppg seasons

[SpaceJam]

What about Pippen?

Pippen had 8 and he wasn't even a scorer like Young IV Drip King is :eek: