"Lebron has more triple doubles than Kawhi has 10+ assist games" - Shannon Sharpe

[RealSkipBayless]

All while playing better defense than Kawhi. Interesting statistic from our leader in chief. I noticed that this also includes 10+ rebounds games. Which is strange considering he is the "board man"

Any thoughts?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Different roles, different mindsets, different players.

Kawhi the last 2 or 3 years? A better defender than Lebron ever was. Better from midrange too.

Doesn't make him "greater" though. Same thing with Lebron and triple doubles.

[ImKobe]

Lebron's gone all out the first 7 games while Kawhi's chilling.

[RealSkipBayless]

Lebron's gone all out the first 7 games while Kawhi's chilling.
So it's not good to compete like Kobe and perform every night?

[STATUTORY]

Shannon is more willing to take on Kawhi on Undisputed than Lebron is willing to do so on the court

"It's not a rivalry"

[superduper]

So why did he literally need to run away to multiple superteams in order to be remotely relevant?

[ImKobe]

So it's not good to compete like Kobe and perform every night?

This is the era we're in, Kobe went all out in his 17th season and broke down before the Playoffs, let's hope the same doesn't happen to Lebron.

Kawhi's knee issues will never go away so he has to be on load management probably for the rest of his career, that's why I thought coming into the season that the Lakers would have a better record.

[hiphopanonymous]

Kawhi plays off the ball - like Larry Bird, where as LeBron plays on ball like Magic.

Their off ball assist counts are actually extremely impressive

[Angel Face]

Different playstyles, cant compare when someone plays more offball and the other one hogs the ball.

[RRR3]

Kawhi plays off the ball - like Larry Bird, where as LeBron plays on ball like Magic.

Their off ball assist counts are actually extremely impressive
Off ball assists lmao


You can’t get an assist when you’re off ball you ****ing dumbass

[hiphopanonymous]

Off ball passing lmao
Listen RRR3, perhaps you don't recall that I stuck up for you several months ago when people shared your picture because I felt it wasn't right. I didn't understand why everyone bullied you but now I see why. You consistently act like an ignorant douche and honest to god you don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what I mean by "off ball passing/assists". I'll explain it in lamens terms. It simply means you aren't a primary ball handler, bringing the ball up-court most of the possessions yourself. You generally move around off the ball to get open in half-court sets, and you usually don't carry it yourself in transition, and so depend on someone else to pass it to you first, before you decide if you shoot or pass yourself. You are in far less control, from the start, so a good assist number in that context is impressive. This isn't even an obscure or incorrect phrase, it's common as **** to say this if you ACTUALLY PLAY.

Make sense? If not, lose some weight and learn how to play the freaking game your hero plays instead of circle jerking him with literally a child-like grasp on the game. Rest assured I'm not making the mistake of sticking up for your dumbass again you clearly don't even know how to play and it shows.

[RealSkipBayless]

Different playstyles, cant compare when someone plays more offball and the other one hogs the ball.
Lebron wasn't even top 10 in time of possession last season. How is he a ball hog? Wasn't Ingram isoing all the time last season? (unsuccessfully)? Wasn't Lonzo a 2nd playmaker?

Lebron just says get out of my way and takes over when it is needed.

[RRR3]

Listen RRR3, perhaps you don't recall that I stuck up for you several months ago when people shared your picture because I felt it wasn't right. I didn't understand why everyone bullied you but now I see why. You consistently act like an ignorant douche and honest to god you don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what I mean by "off ball passing/assists". I'll explain it in lamens terms. It simply means you aren't a primary ball handler, bringing the ball up-court most of the possessions yourself. You generally move around off the ball to get open in half-court sets, and you usually don't carry it yourself in transition, and so depend on someone else to pass it to you first, before you decide if you shoot or pass yourself. You are in far less control, from the start, so a good assist number in that context is impressive. This isn't even an obscure or incorrect phrase, it's common as **** to say this if you ACTUALLY PLAY.

Make sense? If not, lose some weight and learn how to play the freaking game your hero plays instead of circle jerking him with literally a child-like grasp on the game. Rest assured I'm not making the mistake of sticking up for your dumbass again you clearly don't even know how to play and it shows.
I knew full well what you meant, but you phrased it incredibly stupidly. I admit I tend to mock stupidity on this board, especially if it comes from annoying self-righteous trolls who like to pretend they’re not trolls. If you had said “it’s impressive that Bird, who was not a primary ballhandler, still averaged a similar amount of assists as many primary ballhandlers do” I would have had no qualms with your post. Instead, you phrased it in a manner which suggests Bird and Kawhi are using telekinesis to get assists. This is one of the most infamous 3ball comments (one example of him using it: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=355811). He was widely mocked for it and you likely will be too if more people see it. BTW if you watch Kawhi play he ISOs a TON. He is not Klay Thompson.

I’m not sure why I’m supposed to worship you for “defending my honor” from obsessive Kobetard and/or trumptard trolls mad at me for trolling them back and who are too cowardly to post their own pics when the second I laugh at a dumb statement of yours you call me a fat nerd (I’m 6 feet and roughly 195 pounds give or take. You have an odd definition of fat. I would like to get in better shape but fat is a reach) :confusedshrug:

I think you’re under the impression that you’re not a troll and a shitposter. You are. Almost all of ISH is. Many of us, like me and hopefully you, wouldn’t be on a board that was decently regulated but here we are. I don’t act “like an ignorant douche” to people like Kblaze, NBAGOAT, Shawkfactory, etc. Ever. You should probably consider the type of posters I respond in that way to and then consider why you get it as well.

[RRR3]

Let’s link some of CavsFTW/hiphopanonymous/offball assists’ threads:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463870
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463038
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463965
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461104
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463134
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473282


Not a troll doe

[knicksman]

ill take the winner not a guy who needs superteams.

[hiphopanonymous]

[QUOTE=RRR3]I knew full well what you meant, but you phrased it incredibly stupidly. I admit I tend to mock stupidity on this board, especially if it comes from annoying self-righteous trolls who like to pretend they

[RRR3]

Let’s link some of CavsFTW/hiphopanonymous/offball assists’ threads:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463870
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463038
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463965
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461104
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463134
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473282


Not a troll doe
CavsFTW,

These aren’t troll threads?

Bro, at least own trolling at times like the rest of us.

Although unlike you most of my trolling is reserved in responding to trolls, dumbasses or ignorant hateful people on the OTC. You’re the one starting threads trying to troll LeBron and then getting mad when I treat you like an irrational LeBron hating troll. The reason I don’t take your LeBron criticism seriously is you’ve already demonstrated you’re an irrational hater. I disagree with Kblaze’s takes on LeBron sometimes but I respect him and would never say he’s being a “hater”. LeBron can be criticized but I don’t take criticism from a bitter hater like you very seriously.


Also...you really think RMWG (a MOD) doesn’t know ball and is a troll? He seemed pretty incredulous of the idea of off ball passing as well, my dude.

[Manny98]

Imagine thinking Kawhi is better than LeBron :oldlol:

Dumbass Feeny

[tpols]

Kawhi's winning % in the Finals is .66.

Lebron's is .33.

/thread

[Turbo Slayer]

Imagine thinking Kawhi is better than LeBron :oldlol:

Dumbass Feeny
Lets go bois! :oldlol:

Got these posters on a leash. :roll:

Go Manny98. :rant

[RealSkipBayless]

Let’s link some of CavsFTW/hiphopanonymous/offball assists’ threads:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463870
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463038
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463965
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=461104
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=463134
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=473282


Not a troll doe
That last one is pretty good. Siakim, Lowry, Vanvleet, Gasol = 07 Cavs :oldlol:

Edit: Forgot Ibaka

[Rico2016]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Let

[Manny98]

That last one is pretty good. Siakim, Lowry, Vanvleet, Gasol = 07 Cavs :oldlol:
:roll:

[RRR3]

That last one is pretty good. Siakim, Lowry, Vanvleet, Gasol = 07 Cavs :oldlol:
That

[Sportal]

ill take the winner not a guy who needs superteams.

Question, I know, it's a pretty loaded question, so you probably won't answer.

What were the team records of the teams that both players joined, before joining them?

[knicksman]

Question, I know, it's a pretty loaded question, so you probably won't answer.

What were the team records of the teams that both players joined, before joining them?

raptors got swept by cavs who got swept by warriors in the finals.

And cleveland is just a 50 win team. But nah statnerds think its a 59 win team. LOL

[hiphopanonymous]

[QUOTE=RRR3]CavsFTW,

These aren

[Sportal]

raptors got swept by cavs who got swept by warriors in the finals.

And cleveland is just a 50 win team. But nah statnerds think its a 59 win team. LOL

That didn't answer the question. Nice dodge.

[RRR3]

[QUOTE=hiphopanonymous]Exaggerating tongue in cheek (still to illustrate a point) in completely different threads is why you choose to come out of the woodwork during a legit discussion to make an absolute fool out of yourself? Let

[knicksman]

That didn't answer the question. Nice dodge.

Anyone with a brain knows those raptors team werent contenders. But I understand brah, most bran stans are just superficials. Thats why they love triple doubles.

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Let

[tpols]

who the hell looks up archives and saves other poasters threads.

:roll:

thats some serious beta shit mate.

[Duncan21formvp]

So why did he literally need to run away to multiple superteams in order to be remotely relevant?
This! Also where was he against Kawhi? Why does he always lose to Kawhi as well even when Lebron has stacked teams?

[hiphopanonymous]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Except off ball passing is literally impossible. Your stubborn refusal to admit you phrased what you were trying to say poorly is just embarrassing at this point. I

[RealSkipBayless]

This! Also where was he against Kawhi? Why does he always lose to Kawhi as well even when Lebron has stacked teams?
What happened in 2013..?

Oh wait your idol missed a point blank shot over Shane Battier and hit the floor afterwards he was so shook.

[CodeBreaker]

Kawhi plays off the ball - like Larry Bird, where as LeBron plays on ball like Magic.

Their off ball assist counts are actually extremely impressive
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Sportal]

Anyone with a brain knows those raptors team werent contenders. But I understand brah, most bran stans are just superficials. Thats why they love triple doubles.

Still didn't answer the question lolol.

[RRR3]

The difference between you and I is you’re laughing at a phrase I drew organically and spoke from hands on experience - from your spectator seat having never played the game in your life. It sounded funny to you - like a teen laughing in sex ed. That’s absolutely pathetic man, especially since nobody provoked you.
Don’t you mean “hands off experience”? :oldlol:

It’s a dumb phrase dude. If you want to convince yourself I’ve never played basketball and that I am too stupid to comprehend playing off the ball, go right ahead. But it’s a hilariously dumb phrase and there’s a reason it gets laughed at. Go make a thread about off ball passing and see if it gets taken seriously if you don’t believe me.

[Duncan21formvp]

Some players worry about stats and others worry about wins. Lebron = Peyton Manning, Kawhi = Tom Brady

[Duncan21formvp]

What happened in 2013..?

Oh wait your idol missed a point blank shot over Shane Battier and hit the floor afterwards he was so shook.
What happened in 2007 and 2014? Lebron got smoked by me.

2013 only happened because I got taken out of game by coach. And Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.

[SouBeachTalents]

What happened in 2007 and 2014? Lebron got smoked by me.

2013 only happened because I got taken out of game by coach. And Ray Allen saved Lebron's legacy.
And you did this

https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2818167/duncanmiss.gif

[NBAGOAT]

the offball stuff with kawhi would be valid... except he's an onball guy at this point. Lot of pnrs and isos with some midrange postups. Yea he'll come off screens or be a pnpop man sometimes but not as often as people think. Comparing him to bird is laughable. he's a nice offball spacer but so is 40% of the league

curry is the one to create open shots for teammates without touching the ball or getting credit for an assist.

[Spurs m8]

Yay another thread celebrating empty stats!!!

[hiphopanonymous]

the offball stuff with kawhi would be valid... except he's an onball guy at this point. Lot of pnrs and isos with some midrange postups. Yea he'll come off screens or be a pnpop man sometimes but not as often as people think. Comparing him to bird is laughable. he's a nice offball spacer but so is 40% of the league

curry is the one to create open shots for teammates without touching the ball or getting credit for an assist.
I did notice Kawhi was taking control of more possessions the 3 Clippers games I watched this season - a general upswing in his ball handling duties is very valid to point out but since this was more of a career stat comparison career wise I still consider him to be a majority off ball player by comparison to an almost career long ball handler like LeBron. Since this was not just an "at this point" comparison that's why I made the rough comparison to Magic vs Bird. And it wasn't meant to be a measure of how good they are either it was just to illustrate the on vs off ball nature hopefully that part is also clear.

[Bronbron23]

All while playing better defense than Kawhi. Interesting statistic from our leader in chief. I noticed that this also includes 10+ rebounds games. Which is strange considering he is the "board man"

Any thoughts?
Yeah this is an easy one. There's the obvious which is that LeBron is the better passer. The other is that they play differently. LeBron is a strictly on ball guy. He wants the ball in his hands alot. He dosnt play off ball at all. This will lead to amazing stats like harden and Westbrook but its not the best path to winning chips. Kawhi mixes it up more sorta like mj. This won't lead to as good of stats but it will lead to more chips.

[RealSkipBayless]

Yeah this is an easy one. There's the obvious which is that LeBron is the better passer. The other is that they play differently. LeBron is a strictly on ball guy. He wants the ball in his hands alot. He dosnt play off ball at all. This will lead to amazing stats like harden and Westbrook but its not the best path to winning chips. Kawhi mixes it up more sorta like mj. This won't lead to as good of stats but it will lead to more chips.
How does it lead to more chips..? Kawhi got some of the easiest chips in NBA history due to luck. Not his ability or playstyle.

2014.. we saw Kawhi basically face the 07 Cavs. As Wade was hobbled and washed up.. Lebron had no one. Kawhi got to face that all while riding coattails of the Spurs dynasty.

2019..? Kawhi had IMMENSE help and faced who exactly? Steph, Draymond and Looney tunes..?

Lebron has actually EARNED his championships. Puts up better numbers and is more impressive overall. Lebron has only lost ONCE as the favorite in the NBA finals..

[Bronbron23]

How does it lead to more chips..? Kawhi got some of the easiest chips in NBA history due to luck. Not his ability or playstyle.

2014.. we saw Kawhi basically face the 07 Cavs. As Wade was hobbled and washed up.. Lebron had no one. Kawhi got to face that all while riding coattails of the Spurs dynasty.

2019..? Kawhi had IMMENSE help and faced who exactly? Steph, Draymond and Looney tunes..?

Lebron has actually EARNED his championships. Puts up better numbers and is more impressive overall. Lebron has only lost ONCE as the favorite in the NBA finals..
Ball movement is always better than one guy Monopolizing the ball. Just look at most of the past champions. Warriors, spurs, Mavs, Lakers, bulls. Even Bron in Miami played in more of a system the used alot of ball movement.

And what are you talking about? that spurs team you speak of was older and more washed up than Miami. Bosh was only 29 and Wade was 32. Duncan on the other hand was 37 and manu was 36. Miami should of won that series.

LeBron should of also beat the warriors in 17. He had a great team with another star. Harden and Paul took the kd warriors to 7 why couldn't Bron?

I'm a Bron fan man but I find most Bron fans annoying. To say Bron was never the favorite means you never really had faith he was the best player in the world and was good enough to will a victory. I never thought mj was the underdog. I thought he was so good that he could always get the win. Even when he was younger and didn't have as strong of a team.

LeBron fans don't think about LeBron this way. I wonder why?

[stalkerforlife]

Listen RRR3, perhaps you don't recall that I stuck up for you several months ago when people shared your picture because I felt it wasn't right. I didn't understand why everyone bullied you but now I see why. You consistently act like an ignorant douche and honest to god you don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what I mean by "off ball passing/assists". I'll explain it in lamens terms. It simply means you aren't a primary ball handler, bringing the ball up-court most of the possessions yourself. You generally move around off the ball to get open in half-court sets, and you usually don't carry it yourself in transition, and so depend on someone else to pass it to you first, before you decide if you shoot or pass yourself. You are in far less control, from the start, so a good assist number in that context is impressive. This isn't even an obscure or incorrect phrase, it's common as **** to say this if you ACTUALLY PLAY.

Make sense? If not, lose some weight and learn how to play the freaking game your hero plays instead of circle jerking him with literally a child-like grasp on the game. Rest assured I'm not making the mistake of sticking up for your dumbass again you clearly don't even know how to play and it shows.

Bang.

[sportjames23]

So why did he literally need to run away to multiple superteams in order to be remotely relevant?


Bingo.

Hell, and Kawhi has only one less ring than Lebron does in 6 less Finals appearances.

[sportjames23]

Listen RRR3, perhaps you don't recall that I stuck up for you several months ago when people shared your picture because I felt it wasn't right. I didn't understand why everyone bullied you but now I see why. You consistently act like an ignorant douche and honest to god you don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what I mean by "off ball passing/assists". I'll explain it in lamens terms. It simply means you aren't a primary ball handler, bringing the ball up-court most of the possessions yourself. You generally move around off the ball to get open in half-court sets, and you usually don't carry it yourself in transition, and so depend on someone else to pass it to you first, before you decide if you shoot or pass yourself. You are in far less control, from the start, so a good assist number in that context is impressive. This isn't even an obscure or incorrect phrase, it's common as **** to say this if you ACTUALLY PLAY.

Make sense? If not, lose some weight and learn how to play the freaking game your hero plays instead of circle jerking him with literally a child-like grasp on the game. Rest assured I'm not making the mistake of sticking up for your dumbass again you clearly don't even know how to play and it shows.


I say DAMN. :eek:

RRR, take this L. You're used to taking L's anyway. :oldlol:

[PickernRoller]

Listen RRR3, perhaps you don't recall that I stuck up for you several months ago when people shared your picture because I felt it wasn't right. I didn't understand why everyone bullied you but now I see why. You consistently act like an ignorant douche and honest to god you don't know shit about basketball if you don't know what I mean by "off ball passing/assists". I'll explain it in lamens terms. It simply means you aren't a primary ball handler, bringing the ball up-court most of the possessions yourself. You generally move around off the ball to get open in half-court sets, and you usually don't carry it yourself in transition, and so depend on someone else to pass it to you first, before you decide if you shoot or pass yourself. You are in far less control, from the start, so a good assist number in that context is impressive. This isn't even an obscure or incorrect phrase, it's common as **** to say this if you ACTUALLY PLAY.

Make sense? If not, lose some weight and learn how to play the freaking game your hero plays instead of circle jerking him with literally a child-like grasp on the game. Rest assured I'm not making the mistake of sticking up for your dumbass again you clearly don't even know how to play and it shows.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Hip the rotating savior. Everyone's been there at some point I must admit. You feel like giving the fool a second chance. And everyone's thats been there realizes quick that is a mistake. :lol

We all know LeShannon hangs by Bran's balls. Him saying stupid shit is normal.

The likes of Jordan, Kobe and Kawhi do not monopolize the offense like Lebron does, despite being the focus. It's no surprise to me that those 3 players played under coaches like Pop and Phill who would have none of Lebron Ball, whether you're Jordan, Duncan or the President. Now we all know if Bran ever had any of those two as coaches, they would end up fired, ending up writing a book about how one dimensional and unflexible the fraud is - the man simply can't play off ball. His midrange game is not elite and will never be.

It's also not surprising the correlation in Finals winning percentage of those players compared to the fraud.

[RRR3]

I say DAMN. :eek:

RRR, take this L. You're used to taking L's anyway. :oldlol:
You would know about taking Ls
https://i.postimg.cc/wTqLqW76/SportJamesOwned.png