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AussieSteve
11-07-2019, 04:36 AM
Revisiting the Raptors four wins in last year's finals, I can't help but think they might have won even without Kawhi.

Game 1 - Kawhi was third most impactful player on his team, with Siakam and Gasol clearly making a bigger impact. Went 5/14 from the field and was irrelevent in the 4th, making just one fg and 2/3 ft, which came from a technical foul and an intentional late game foul.

Game 3 - Kawhi put up good numbers (30/7/6/2/2), but had the lowest +/- of all Toronto starters. Siakam was +22, Kawhi +6, which means the small number of minutes that kawhi was on court without Siakam, they were -16! Also... no Klay this game so the win was a formality against a severely depleted team missing two of their three best players.

Game 4 - Kawhi had a great game and was the dominant player on the court. With the Raps up double digits for most of the game however, they may well have won regardless.

Game 6 - Kawhi was arguably the 4th best player on his team. Not just because he had three team mates who put up better numbers, but because these three team mates also came through in the clutch, while Kawhi was invisible. With 2 mins to go in the third, raptors down by 5, Klay goes out. Warriors decimated. Over the next 14 mins of game time, Kawhi made 1 free throw but was carried by great performances from Siakam, Lowry and VanVleet. In the last second, kawhi made a technical ft and 2 more irrelevant fts with the game done.



Kawhi was probably the best player on his team in only one of their four wins. And the third or fourth best palyer in a couple of them.

Why does his finals performance get amped so much? Especially when you consider how gutted the warriors were.

Why?

Akeem34TheDream
11-07-2019, 05:02 AM
People are SCARED. Jordan,Kobe and Lebron fams must unite against this monster. They are in danger.

Akeem34TheDream
11-07-2019, 05:03 AM
Also Kawhi>Barkley

iamgine
11-07-2019, 05:15 AM
Would the Raptors have won last years finals without Kawhi?

Talking only about the finals, maybe if we replace him with another star like Paul George and he plays well, they might still win. After all, it was against GSW without Durant and Klay. But if we replace him with like...Kelly Oubre or something, I'm not sure they won.

Bawkish
11-07-2019, 05:34 AM
Kawhi got the most attention so guys like Siakam, VanVleet or Marc got their time to flourish.

ArbitraryWater
11-07-2019, 07:20 AM
Kawhi definitely went absent in all the 4th quarters, it was horrible choking.

And even though he probably wasnt the FMVP and didnt get the unanimous vote, they still needed him just enough to win.

Andrei89
11-07-2019, 07:24 AM
No

fourkicks44
11-07-2019, 08:30 AM
Has OP turned into Insidehoops biggest troll?

I say yes.



Or was he always?

:confusedshrug:

r0drig0lac
11-07-2019, 09:21 AM
with Lebron in your place? yes

with any other player? no chance

Rico2016
11-07-2019, 11:21 AM
FUN FACT: Toronto added Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard and Marc Gasol to a 59 win team and even had a better record without Kawhi during the regular season. So what do you guys think? Of course.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
11-07-2019, 11:24 AM
They wouldn't have even made the finals.

OP's like a woke "Pippen stan" babbling about Jordan holding him back :oldlol:

tontoz
11-07-2019, 11:49 AM
They wouldn't have even made the finals.

OP's like a woke "Pippen stan" babbling about Jordan holding him back :oldlol:


True they don't get past Philly without Kawhi. Even with him it took a game 7 buzzer beater to advance.

Doranku
11-07-2019, 12:05 PM
Yeah man, that's exactly how basketball works.


This forum gets dumber and dumber every day. :oldlol:

SouBeachTalents
11-07-2019, 12:08 PM
Most teams don

fourkicks44
11-07-2019, 12:39 PM
FUN FACT: Toronto added Danny Green, Kawhi Leonard and Marc Gasol to a 59 win team and even had a better record without Kawhi during the regular season. So what do you guys think? Of course.

:applause:

red1
11-07-2019, 01:49 PM
of course not. we needed every bit of what he brought to the table.

RealSkipBayless
11-07-2019, 02:02 PM
On the road to the finals..? He was needed.

Would they have beaten Steph, Draymond and Looney tunes without him..? Of course. That Raptors team was stacked and golden state had no one. You could

NBAGOAT
11-07-2019, 02:24 PM
It

red1
11-07-2019, 02:25 PM
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents]Most teams don

red1
11-07-2019, 02:26 PM
People are SCARED. Jordan,Kobe and Lebron fams must unite against this monster. They are in danger.
FACT.


Also Kawhi>Barkley
of course. more FACTS.

Jay-B
11-07-2019, 02:39 PM
This is an easy one, no way do they even get out the 2nd round

AussieSteve
11-07-2019, 04:51 PM
Raptors would obviously have not made the finals without Kawhi.

Once there however, I think they would still won without him.

He's still the FMVP. But certain people on here seem to want to overstate his performance.

AussieSteve
11-07-2019, 05:13 PM
Also Kawhi>Barkley

Nah.

Chuck was the maybe most impactful offensive player I've seen outside of MJ. Led the best offense in the league three straight seasons at Phoenix. Even playing with scrubs at Philly, he led 2nd best offense behind the Showtime Lakers in back to back seasons.

Kawhi doesn't have that kind of impact.

Round Mound
11-08-2019, 01:02 AM
Nah.

Chuck was the maybe most impactful offensive player I've seen outside of MJ. Led the best offense in the league three straight seasons at Phoenix. Even playing with scrubs at Philly, he led 2nd best offense behind the Showtime Lakers in back to back seasons.

Kawhi doesn't have that kind of impact.

:applause:

tpols
11-08-2019, 08:56 AM
They wouldn't have even made the finals.



this.

they needed kawhi to beat philly and the bucks... but OP is sorta right in that the raps couldve beat a decimated warrior team without kawhi. siakam's play and the hot 3 pt shooting of all the role players wouldve given them a good shot.

Kiddlovesnets
11-08-2019, 08:05 PM
They got swept by the Cavaliers without Kawhi but with Derozan, time to stop trolling.