Jalen Rose: Fans are to blame for Load Management

[sammichoffate]

https://streamable.com/jbnmc

He's got a point.

[ArbitraryWater]

Does he though?

Weak mentality will deflect from blaming Kawhi.

[PickernRoller]

Does he though?

Weak mentality will deflect from blaming Kawhi.

Exactly. It's like saying the media and fans are the reason Bran ran to Miami to collude in the most unprecedented manner ever. Not without fate having a say first (2011 Finals choke).

[Kblaze8855]

Exactly. It's like saying the media and fans are the reason Bran ran to Miami to collude in the most unprecedented manner ever. Not without fate having a say first (2011 Finals choke).


They are. And hes fundamentally right about this too.

Once fans throw all real analysis out in favor of easy "Rings" arguments why does anything else matter?

You watch a guy put in work for years at a legendary level...

If the only way you judge him in the end is ring count....why care about the rest?

People before the season decided that if Leonard wins another ring hes now ____ or ____ . Nobody said "If he plays every game and kills it all year".

If he wins a ring nobody gives a shit about anything else because most fans cant use anything else to frame an argument.

[STATUTORY]

he's right to a certain extent, the reductionist "ring count" approach to player evaluation has had some bad effects (collusion + load management)

But he's wrong if he thinks that ring counting isnt a good way to evaluate players, in a world where players couldnt manipulate their situation to win rings. organically won rings is the best criteria for player legacy. post collusion/load management rings should be heavily discounted

[warriorfan]

Ringless Jalen is insecure and projecting lmao

[chains5000]

Load management has been a thing in multiple sports from a long time now.

Soccer teams rest their players, even non stars, through the season, even teams without depth.
Tennis players decide not to attend every tournament they can.
No cyclist takes part of Tour, Giro and Vuelta the same season.
Remember a guy called Usain Bolt? Did you know he purposedly missed meetings during his career?
...

NBA players not playing for their National teams is load management too BTW.

[Kblaze8855]

Ringless Jalen is insecure and projecting lmao

Just calling him that proves his point really....

[ArbitraryWater]

They are. And hes fundamentally right about this too.

Once fans throw all real analysis out in favor of easy "Rings" arguments why does anything else matter?

You watch a guy put in work for years at a legendary level...

If the only way you judge him in the end is ring count....why care about the rest?

People before the season decided that if Leonard wins another ring hes now ____ or ____ . Nobody said "If he plays every game and kills it all year".

If he wins a ring nobody gives a shit about anything else because most fans cant use anything else to frame an argument.


you're the same guy that said fans are to blame for KD's move lol.. "they pressured him with the ring counting!"

[ArbitraryWater]

Load management has been a thing in multiple sports from a long time now.

Soccer teams rest their players, even non stars, through the season, even teams without depth.
Tennis players decide not to attend every tournament they can.
No cyclist takes part of Tour, Giro and Vuelta the same season.
Remember a guy called Usain Bolt? Did you know he purposedly missed meetings during his career?
...

NBA players not playing for their National teams is load management too BTW.

because then they would play every day :facepalm


every tennis tournament is a back to back to back etc

they play all mandatory tournaments though

[RealSkipBayless]

What are people supposed to do..? Care more about regular season than playoffs? This fool is ignorantly implying that discrepancy is huge and the reg season isn’t something people enjoy. A pxssy player is taking an extreme and resting 3 weeks in. That’s it.

I guess being around that loud mouthed broad Molly will bring out dumb takes.

[90sgoat]

Nah, the NBA did this.

They created a product that was inferior in the regular season, making it worthless except for people into fantasy basketball.

[Kblaze8855]

you're the same guy that said fans are to blame for KD's move lol.. "they pressured him with the ring counting!"


Idiot fans motivated most of the super team shit. An already insecure guy like KD has people insisting he

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]Idiot fans motivated most of the super team shit. An already insecure guy like KD has people insisting he

[Kblaze8855]

What you think of them and thinking it doesn

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]What you think of them and thinking it doesn

[ErhnamDjinn]

because then they would play every day :facepalm


every tennis tournament is a back to back to back etc

they play all mandatory tournaments though
i think they fine or ban players who drop matches to injury if im not mistaken.

[ErhnamDjinn]

if the NBA wants to avoid this maybe they can stretch out the games and remove back to backs, or shorten the season, but Im gussing they want to maximize the profit.

[Kblaze8855]

and i won't judge fans for it

nobody and no fan told KD to join gsw

Millions of fans told the world that the larger number of rings makes you better while including little context.

Might as well tell him to join.

Fans stopped judging by improving skills and started judging by improving results regardless of how they were obtained. Getting results seems the way to go.

Can

[Meticode]

I just think it's funny that the players went to the NBAPA and negotiated extending the regular season (and they did by two weeks) while lessening the amount of games they play back-to-back (and they did). Right now players are playing less back-to-backs more than ever and they're still resting players also more than ever.

Think about players like Kawhi or Embiid. They get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to sit on the bench and do nothing. And they do this several times a year.

[Kblaze8855]

Eh....Embiid played like 30 games his first 3 seasons. He gets a pass. He might need to always be on a restriction. They may be keeping him from being Bill Walton.

[bison]

Millions of fans told the world that the larger number of rings makes you better while including little context.

Might as well tell him to join.



His point is why would NBA superstars listen to the common fan in the first place? I'm guessing social media, and its ability to quantify and predict trends, is a major factor in turning basketball into a popularity contest. But look what happened. KD 'listened' to the ring talk and where did that get him? He is probably even less respected now after winning two rings. So none of this listening to fan bullshit makes sense. What people will always respect is loyalty

[Kblaze8855]

Easy to say he

[BigShotBob]

"Fans" have nothing to do with it. Teams are becoming more cautious but whenever the subject of "load management" pops up it's always about one or two players, not several. So honestly to me it's a non-issue.

Last year the topic came up because of one player....Lebron, after he came back from a groin injury.

Kawhi wasn't under "load management" last year as he was literally coming back from a season ending injury, so as a precaution he wasn't playing back-to-backs, but the league's schedule has become more frenetic as time went on for TV ratings and viewership.

I remember Pop talking about how ridiculous it was to expect him to play his vets for three games in five nights just to appease the league.

[Marchesk]

Idiot fans motivated most of the super team shit. An already insecure guy like KD has people insisting he’s factually inferior to people he knows he’s as good as while they win in better situations?

But it's not like KD was stuck toiling away on a non-contender. OKC had the 73 Warriors on the brink, and then he joins them the next year. That would be like Jordan joining the Pistons when the Bulls were losing to them.

And if the comparison was Lebron, KD isn't factually better than him, for all the trolling we do on here.

But okay, I get why KD would rather play in an offense with Curry, Klay and Dray than Westbrook. But still, it was stacking the deck for almost guaranteed championships.

[Kiddlovesnets]

He has a good point, and fortunately the experts know how teamwork is and rank players by combination of factors instead of ring counts, so we won

[BigShotBob]

But it's not like KD was stuck toiling away on a non-contender. OKC had the 73 Warriors on the brink, and then he joins them the next year. That would be like Jordan joining the Pistons when the Bulls were losing to them.

And if the comparison was Lebron, KD isn't factually better than him, for all the trolling we do on here.

But okay, I get why KD would rather play in an offense with Curry, Klay and Dray than Westbrook. But still, it was stacking the deck for almost guaranteed championships.

KD is (was) better than Lebron for the past two seasons. KD's play elevated while Lebron's play diminished. Simple as that.

[SouBeachTalents]

KD is (was) better than Lebron for the past two seasons. KD's play elevated while Lebron's play diminished. Simple as that.
LeBron's play diminished in 2018, GTFOH :oldlol: Totally clueless

[BigShotBob]

LeBron's play diminished in 2018, GTFOH :oldlol: Totally clueless

Lebron was atrocious defensively. Don't be disingenuous.