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SpaceJam2
11-09-2019, 12:30 PM
Someone made a grave mistake of posting a modern image of modern defense and didnt realize what he was doing. Imagine not knowing LeBron was triple-teamed on this play and still made a great pass :lol


This aint 90s ball where it was ILLEGAL to leave your man and double/triple team, this is modern ball :lol


https://i.postimg.cc/pTmqkHGn/Triple-team.png

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https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

See a difference? This is why players are more skilled now. They have to be.

dazzer87
11-09-2019, 12:51 PM
https://i.postimg.cc/B66RXPQY/lebron-terrible-defence.gif

Showtime80'
11-09-2019, 01:21 PM
LOL I can't believe I'm going to shut this "modern game is harder" bs down with only three videos!

Here's Steve Nash youngins, a guy who played from 1997 to 2014 and won two MVP's in 2006 and 07 thanks to the rule changes, breaking it down to a basic level and CONFIRMING how David Stern, Rob Thorn and Jerry Colangelo ALTERED all the defensive rules from the late 90's to the mid 2000's to prop up the mid 90's and onward crop of flawed fundamentals, IQ deficient and AAU poisoned perimeter players who couldn't shoot above 45% FG if their life depended on it thanks to playing OFF THEIR ATHLETICISM above everything else. Fast forward to minute 14:38 LeBaldo lemmings:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHN3d9bpJ-g&t=915s

Here's the excerpt for the lazy ones:

Steve Nash says about Grant Hill and the old school game " It was a different game then. They could put two hands on you, they could forearm you, they could knock you down, it was SUPER PHYSICAL and for him to be able to do it in an era where there were less possessions and it was LIKE WRESTLING out there!!!

Bill Simmons: "And then David Stern CHANGED THE RULES so you could succeed, you were the IMPETUS!!!"

Steve Nash: "Laughs! Changed my career. It think David Stern saw me and said this poor kid, if they can put their hands on him HE'S COOKED!!!"

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Body bag the manufactured modern FABRICATED NBA boys. Your precious little LeBald, Durant, Giannis, Dumbrook, Curry, Harden, Rose and all the other early 2000's primadonnas including Kobe, Carter, McGrady and Iverson are/were ILLUSIONS brought to the forefront in an attempt to re-create the excellence of Michael Jordan and the Dream Team generation which could not happen unless EXTENSIVE RULE CHANGES TOOK PLACE!!!

Here's the master Hubie Brown throwing more dirt on the modern NBA corpse:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JttE4UT74k

Here's a guys that continues to get paid to cover the NBA and has spent A LIFETIME analyzing it and knows how dumbed down it has become.

Here's the final video of the Bad Boy Pistons playing defense against Michael Jordan and the Bulls with illegal defense rules:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLv2F33snCE&t=303s

Buh, buh, buh, but I though under illegal defense you had to stick to your man like glue even if they're standing at half court daddy! LOL!!!

Look at the Pistons perimeter defenders basically IGNORING the Bulls players parked at the 3-point line standing at least 8 feet away from them with one foot near the paint prepared to clog it up at any attempt by Jordan to penetrate. Heck you can clearly see John Salley, James Edwards and Bill Laimbeer playing free safety in some of those plays standing in the paint NOT GUARDING ANYBODY just waiting to contest any rim attack. Put Stephy, Harden, LeBald, Giannis or Dumbrook in that environment and they barely crack 15 ppg!

The Pistons were basically playing a 1-2-2 zone in some of those clips as a LOT OF TEAMS used to do against dominant perimeter scorers and were also allowed to double team the low post without the player having the ball.

You're watching an INFERIOR, rule enhanced fabricated product youngins. Just accept it and move on!

SpaceJam2
11-09-2019, 10:35 PM
Someone made a grave mistake of posting a modern image of modern defense and didnt realize what he was doing. Imagine not knowing LeBron was triple-teamed on this play and still made a great pass :lol


This aint 90s ball where it was ILLEGAL to leave your man and double/triple team, this is modern ball :lol


https://i.postimg.cc/pTmqkHGn/Triple-team.png

...

https://i.postimg.cc/y88WwsPp/maxresdefault.jpg

See a difference? This is why players are more skilled now. They have to be.

Anyone?

3ball
11-09-2019, 11:00 PM
Anyone?



Firstly, the defenders in your gif would be positioned the exact same way in previous eras - notice MJ and Cartwright sagging off guys that are behind the 3-point line:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-30-2019/iHvEZ1.gif


You're just ignorant about basketball, so you think man-to-man defense forces defenders to stand right next to their man..

This is false and reveals that you never played and don't really know the game at all..

Man-to-man defense teaches defenders to stand halfway in between their man and the ball, and the illegal defense rules allowed this by specifying upper and lower "defensive areas" that defenders could stand when the ball was in various areas of the court.. You see MJ and Cartwright abiding by these rules in the gif above.

Ultimately, a 10 second glance at any possession from the 80's will show defenders straddling the paint while their man is behind the 3-point line - again, this was allowed by the illegal defense rules.






Anyone?



Lebron has a 6-footer on him and a great chance for a legendary game-winner, but he isn't aggressive and doesn't pull-up to shoot over him:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2019/tBDdtZ.gif


Lebron's fans will say that he's waiting on a cutter, but he isn't in an offensive stance so the defense KNOWS he will pass and breaks it up... that isn't"genius", or skilled - it's telegraphing/lower skill level.

Ultimately, it's a skill deficit because Lebron doesn't know what to do from a pre-dribble, stationary position (triple-threat position), so he freezes here and chokes.






Anyone?



Here's what Lebron should've done - any of these would've worked:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2019/NKp--8.gif..

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2019/NinG43.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-08-2015/nclHcJ.gif


But that ^^^ requires great skill from the triple-threat and an aggressive mindset - no live dribble - it's a set of footwork and a way of playing that Lebron lacks, which is why he isn't capable of a game-winner on the championship level
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Vino24
11-09-2019, 11:08 PM
Firstly, the defenders in your gif would be positioned the exact same way in previous eras - notice MJ and Cartwright sagging off guys that are behind the 3-point line:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-30-2019/iHvEZ1.gif


You're just ignorant about basketball, so you think man-to-man defense forces defenders to stand right next to their man..

This is false and reveals that you never played and don't really know the game at all..

Man-to-man defense teaches defenders to stand halfway in between their man and the ball, and the illegal defense rules allowed this by specifying upper and lower "defensive areas" that defenders could stand when the ball was in various areas of the court.. You see MJ and Cartwright abiding by these rules in the gif above.

Ultimately, a 10 second glance at any possession from the 80's will show defenders straddling the paint while their man is behind the 3-point line - again, this was allowed by the illegal defense rules.





Lebron has a 6-footer on him and a great chance for a legendary game-winner, but he isn't aggressive and doesn't pull-up to shoot over him:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2019/tBDdtZ.gif


Lebron's fans will say that he's waiting on a cutter, but he isn't in an offensive stance so the defense KNOWS he will pass and breaks it up... that isn't"genius", or skilled - it's telegraphing/lower skill level.

Ultimately, it's a skill deficit because Lebron doesn't know what to do from a pre-dribble, stationary position (triple-threat position), so he freezes here and chokes.





Here's what Lebron should've done - any of these would've worked:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2019/NKp--8.gif..

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/V2-pAN.gif.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2019/NinG43.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-08-2015/nclHcJ.gif


But that ^^^ requires great skill from the triple-threat and an aggressive mindset - no live dribble - it's a set of footwork and a way of playing that Lebron lacks, which is why he isn't capable of a game-winner on the championship level
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DeRozan is a modern day MJ

3ball
11-10-2019, 01:01 AM
This is why players are more skilled now.


Actually, it's a fact that today's spacing allows an open layup/3-pointer shot allocation

That's a much easier shot allocation than the contested 2-pointer allocation that the no-spacing strategy of previous eras provided.

So try again - it's easier to score with spacing than without... it's easier to score with hands-off defense than hands-on... or without paint-camping and physicality than with those things... so it's easier to score today... period.. see the gifs above to fine-tune your views.





DeRozan is a modern day MJ



DeRozan doesn't compare to Clyde, let alone MJ.. :whatever:


Regular Season

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.1.. 5.6.. 54.7 ts.. 114 ortg.. 21.1 PER.. 0.175 ws/48... 6.0 bpm.. 75.6 vorp
DEROZAN:. 19.9.. 4.3.. 3.4.. 53.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 17.9 PER.. 0.113 ws/48.. -0.5 bpm.. 10.0 vorp


Playoffs

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.9.. 6.1.. 53.2 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.7 PER.. 0.134 ws/48... 5.9 bpm.. 11.0 vorp
DEROZAN:. 21.9.. 4.6.. 3.6.. 50.3 ts.. 103 ortg.. 16.7 PER.. 0.052 ws/48.. -1.8 bpm.. 0.1 vorp






DeRozan is a modern day MJ



Clyde > 07' and 11' Lebron, so Derozan is nowhere near Clyde, let alone MJ


Drexler 1992 PO:. 26.3.. 7.4.. 7.0.. 55.8 ts.. 120 ortg.. 6.2 obpm.. 2.1 vorp.. 22.8 PER
Lebron' 2011 PO:. 23.7.. 8.4.. 5.9.. 56.3 ts.. 113 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.3 vorp.. 23.7 PER
Lebron' 2007 PO:. 25.1.. 8.1.. 8.0.. 51.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.4 vorp.. 23.9 PER

Drexler 1992 Finals:. 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Lebron' 2011 Finals:. 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1 ts.. 4.0 tov.. 102 ortg.. 13.7 gmsc
Lebron' 2007 Finals:. 22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8 ts.. 5.8 tov.... 83 ortg.. 10.6 gmsc






DeRozan is a modern day MJ


Clyde averaged 26/8/5 in the 90' and 92' Finals against the best defenders ever (Rodman, MJ, Pip), while Lebron played like dogshit against Dirk and Duncan in 07' and 11'

So 88-92' Clyde > 07' and 11' Lebron... and therefore derozan is nowhere near Clyde or lebron, let alone MJ

Ultimately, the stats above show that Clyde is perennially underrated and should be viewed in the same class as the goat wings, aka wade/kobe/lebron/drexler/mj/etc
.

warriorfan
11-10-2019, 01:12 AM
Wheels and company are getting straight killed out here

Yikes