Which players are closest to perfect?

[DoctorP]

I was thinking about this after a response about one of Harden's glaring aesthetic flaws (flopping, drawing fouls):

Which player is the closest to perfect that has ever played the game?


Every player has weaknesses.

Jordan was not a consistent 3pt shooter.
Bird was not an athletic freak.
Magic wasn't a 3pt shooter
Neither was Kareem
Kobe was prone to spam shots and shoot a low percentage
LeBron is not very skilled, relies on strength
Harden tries too hard to draw fouls
Curry is too small and is prone to disappearing in big moments
Wade was not a volume shooter, not a 3 shooter
Wilt was a choker
Russell was not a good shooter.
Dr. J couldnt hit threes

on and on...

SO WHO WAS THE CLOSEST TO PERFECT?

I say Jordan and Bird.

Jordan with more practice may have mastered the three point shot, perhaps looking more like Kawhi Leonard today, but more explosive. That shot wasn't featured in his era.

Bird, with today's strength regimens, may have gotten a little stronger to last longer in the league and not have the back issues that cut his longevity... a less athletic LeBron with way more skill. (Doncic?)

Or was it Russell, who refused to lose in the finals, winning an unprecedented 11 ships in the golden age?

UPDATE:
New shit has come to light
Jordan on defense really cant get you anywhere with bigger dudes one-on-one.
Duncan seems to be as close to flawless as it gets
TMac, TMac, TMac
Shaq still couldn't hit jumpshots.
Hakeem and Garnett... if they were only combined.

[AirBonner]

How is LeBron not skilled?

[DoctorP]

How is LeBron not skilled?

Never said he was not skilled. Obviously he is, but compared to the all-time greats like Hakeem, Jordan, Bird, Gervin he is not as skilled as them. He has no teardrop shot, no finger roll, no lefty hookshots. He's basically about speed, strength, some spin moves and he's got that fadeaway. His three-ball is good too. He's lost a lot of moves since leaving Miami. I think he compartmentalized a lot of stuff. Maybe he feels he didnt need em.

Now he's all about that elbow. He knows he can get away with it. Instead of going to old man moves he's pushing people off. That shows a lack of true all-time skill.

He's a bull dog.

[RealSkipBayless]

When does your 305Baller account get unbanned?

[DoctorP]

When does your 305Baller account get unbanned?

Not my account. Next question.

Mods.

[RRR3]

Never said he was not skilled. Obviously he is, but compared to the all-time greats like Hakeem, Jordan, Bird, Gervin he is not as skilled as them. He has no teardrop shot, no finger roll, no lefty hookshots. He's basically about speed, strength, some spin moves and he's got that fadeaway. His three-ball is good too. He's lost a lot of skill since leaving Miami. I think he compartmentalized a lot of stuff. Maybe he feels he didnt need em.

He's a bull dog.
:facepalm


AKA

[DoctorP]

:facepalm


AKA “I don’t watch LeBron play”

I added more stuff since your reply. Can you show me a video of LeBron doing a teardrop? Does he even need it? He does a scooper after getting position.

[RRR3]

I added more stuff since your reply. Can you show me a video of LeBron doing a teardrop? Does he even need it? He does a scooper after getting position.
https://youtu.be/Rfsj8zHNfls
https://youtu.be/yb1uOz4fcC4

[DoctorP]

https://youtu.be/Rfsj8zHNfls
https://youtu.be/yb1uOz4fcC4

https://media1.tenor.com/images/21e10446ea44a477e8aa525ba7c3355e/tenor.gif

yeaaah. first one is kind of a teardrop. in no traffic. more like a one-handed shot. but i'll give you that one.

second one is in miami where he had the most skillz.

not graceful, but he pulls some shit sometimes.

[bigkingsfan]

kelly oubre jr., just look at him.

[DoctorP]

kelly oubre jr., just look at him.

:lol youve been on that Oubre dick

[DoctorP]

teardrops (last one is da best tho)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7yIoBqtCQQ

[Ghost1]

teardrops (last one is da best tho)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7yIoBqtCQQ


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLnonUYxmjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkFuYLui4k

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLnonUYxmjc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NkFuYLui4k


:cheers:

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[Ghost1]

:cheers:

https://media.giphy.com/media/l1J9sEVCoCLB3y22Y/giphy.gif

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfas0f3qmlc

the best horse player



















of all time

[bison]

Prime McGrady

[RRR3]

Prime McGrady
:bowdown:

[egokiller]

Prime McGrady

Beat me to it.

[DoctorP]

Prime McGrady

never won championships.
limited peak.
short longevity

[AirBonner]

Op you are confusing skill with aesthetically pleasing. LeBron is immensely skilled.

[ShawkFactory]

never won championships.
limited peak.
short longevity
None of these things have to do with how he played. You

[DoctorP]

Op you are confusing skill with aesthetically pleasing. LeBron is immensely skilled.

yes he is skilled. he doesn't have all-time great skill. sorry but he's not PERFECT

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-02-2016/rJ8aZR.gif

[Ghost1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eCj-nX1Tk

[DoctorP]

None of these things have to do with how he played. You’re OP seemed to be about skill/well-roundedness on the court

I'm pointing out some flaws. You may be right when it comes to on court game. He had it all. Was his passing elite? Maybe not.

[AirBonner]

yes he is skilled. he doesn't have all-time great skill. sorry but he's not PERFECT

https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-02-2016/rJ8aZR.gif
Duncan is as close to perfect as you can get

[DoctorP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4eCj-nX1Tk

https://wwwcache.wralsportsfan.com/asset/voices/2014/10/10/14064384/Twin_Peaks_-_it_s_happening_again-500x300.gif

[RRR3]

DoctorUrinartion AKA “The Whiz”

[DoctorP]

Duncan is as close to perfect as you can get


No perimeter game. Nah, just kidding. he could hit from outside. He was pretty damn close to perfect.

[AirBonner]

No perimeter game
Fundamentals too strong. He could also hit the 3. Came into the league and immediately started winning. That is no fluke

[DoctorP]

[QUOTE=RRR3]DoctorUrinartion AKA

[AirBonner]

So far it

[DoctorP]

Fundamentals too strong. He could also hit the 3. Came into the league and immediately started winning. That is no fluke

Nah, just kidding. he could hit from outside. He was pretty damn close to perfect.

[elementally morale]

Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq was hitting FTs and work ethic away from becoming the undisputed greatest ever. To be the perfect player you don't have to be the most well-rounded or aesthetically pleasing. And Hakeem could've been two inches taller to become an absolute monster.

[DoctorP]

So far it’s Duncan. Anyone else?

Duncan's weaknesses:
slow footed
couldnt guard quick quards

other than that he was pretty flawless

[AirBonner]

Duncan's weaknesses:
slow footed
couldnt guard quick quards
LeBron can guard 1-5 and moved like a freight train

[DoctorP]

Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq was hitting FTs and work ethic away from becoming the undisputed greatest ever. To be the perfect player you don't have to be the most well-rounded or aesthetically pleasing. And Hakeem could've been two inches taller to become an absolute monster.

Shaq was far from a perfect player :lol

put him outside of the paint and he's done.

[DoctorP]

Hakeem and Shaq.

Shaq was hitting FTs and work ethic away from becoming the undisputed greatest ever. To be the perfect player you don't have to be the most well-rounded or aesthetically pleasing. And Hakeem could've been two inches taller to become an absolute monster.

Hakeem's shooting range. Not the greatest.

[elementally morale]

Shaq was far from a perfect player :lol

put him outside of the paint and he's done.

Problem is: you can't put him outside if he doesn't want to go outside. It's not a video game, it's actual basketball. Peak Shaq was probably the best player ever. Some FTs, work ethic... pretty damn perfect to me.

[DoctorP]

Problem is: you can't put him outside if he doesn't want to go outside. It's not a video game, it's actual basketball. Peak Shaq was probably the best player ever. Some FTs, work ethic... pretty damn perfect to me.

ok. noted. I wouldnt guard steph curry with Shaq or Duncan but I hear you.

[DoctorP]

LeBron can guard 1-5 and moved like a freight train

Yeah, LeBron is unique. A beast. I'd definitely pick LeBron over Jordan on defense.

[ShawkFactory]

I'm pointing out some flaws. You may be right when it comes to on court game. He had it all. Was his passing elite? Maybe not.
He was a very good passer. Not elite

[DoctorP]

He was a very good passer. Not elite

Theres a flaw to pick at. :lol

Harden's better at that.

[SpaceJam2]

When does your 305Baller account get unbanned?

:eek:

[DoctorP]

ok Im getting bored with picking at imperfections already.

im just gonna enjoy the games.

see ya

[DoctorP]

:eek:

mods

[Vino24]

mods
When is he going to be unbanned? :oldlol:

[DoctorP]

When is he going to be unbanned? :oldlol:

fffu 305baller. if he comes back hes gonna be worse than ever. he keeps gettin worse.

plus, he's dead. he aint comin back.

some detective "bat" killed him is what I heard

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[Manny98]

KD

[ImKobe]

Obviously Kobe. Complete scoring game, one of the best playmakers of his era, all-time great defensive player who could defend PGs full-court, most game-winners all-time. It says a lot that his only weakness is spamming shots because sadly he had to play on some horrible teams where he often had to take a ton of bailout shots.

I'd say the best player is one who can be your dominant scoring option but who can also run the offense and play elite defense and who's also your best option in crunch time. Lebron could score and play point but his offensive arsenal was too limited and he often shied away from attacking the paint in late game situations and was never as elite defensively as his highlight plays would indicate. Never improved his FT shooting, actually regressed as time went on.

For bigs it's obviously Hakeem, there isn't a more polished scorer or a better defender at his position, him and Duncan are pretty close but Tim could never carry an offense like that.

[DoctorP]

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[Round Mound]

If Bird had Tom Chambers like athletic ability he would easily be the perfect player.

[CodeBreaker]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/21e10446ea44a477e8aa525ba7c3355e/tenor.gif

yeaaah. first one is kind of a teardrop. in no traffic. more like a one-handed shot. but i'll give you that one.

second one is in miami where he had the most skillz.

not graceful, but he pulls some shit sometimes.
So LeBron in Miami is not considered LeBron?

:lol

[3ball]

The optimal players are the guys that won a title as scoring champion (they fit maximum scoring into a championship system/basketball)

So that's peak Kareem in 1971, peak Shaq in 2000, and MJ for all 6 of his rings.

For example, Kobe couldn't win with Pau if he played the way he did in 2006 as hot dog scoring champ - Kobe had to tone his game down from his hot dog scoring days to win with Pau... Ditto for Durant, Lebron, etc - they all had to tone their game down below scoring champion level to win rings.

So only MJ's game was optimal enough that he didn't have to tone his game down below scoring champion level to win.. He was the perfect player, and if he played today, he would post elite 3-point stats..

[DoctorP]

So LeBron in Miami is not considered LeBron?

:lol

read my reply on the first page, thanks

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[Gougou]

MJ and Lebron... KD is quite close.

Also Giannis with a jumper would be very unstoppable, that is the one thing that keeps him out from being a perfect player.

[mr4speed]

I was thinking about this after a response about one of Harden's glaring aesthetic flaws (flopping, drawing fouls):

Which player is the closest to perfect that has ever played the game?


Every player has weaknesses.

Jordan was not a consistent 3pt shooter.
Bird was not an athletic freak.
Magic wasn't a 3pt shooter
Neither was Kareem
Kobe was prone to spam shots and shoot a low percentage
LeBron is not very skilled, relies on strength
Harden tries too hard to draw fouls
Curry is too small and is prone to disappearing in big moments
Wade was not a volume shooter, not a 3 shooter
Wilt was a choker
Russell was not a good shooter.
Dr. J couldnt hit threes

on and on...

SO WHO WAS THE CLOSEST TO PERFECT?

I say Jordan and Bird.

Jordan with more practice may have mastered the three point shot, perhaps looking more like Kawhi Leonard today, but more explosive. That shot wasn't featured in his era.

Bird, with today's strength regimens, may have gotten a little stronger to last longer in the league and not have the back issues that cut his longevity... a less athletic LeBron with way more skill. (Doncic?)

Or was it Russell, who refused to lose in the finals, winning an unprecedented 11 ships in the golden age?

UPDATE:
New shit has come to light
Jordan on defense really cant get you anywhere with bigger dudes one-on-one.
Duncan seems to be as close to flawless as it gets
TMac, TMac, TMac
Shaq still couldn't hit jumpshots.
Hakeem and Garnett... if they were only combined.
How about Oscar Robertson? John Havlicek once said "he has no weaknesses as a basketball player". Jerry West once said "it took me several years to get to the point where I felt I was at his level, he came into the NBA as a better player than I was". He averaged a triple double for his first five seasons and was putting in almost 30 points per game without a 3 point line. Until Bird and Magic and Jordan played , Oscar was considered the best all around basketball player that ever lived - just saying he needs to be mentioned.