What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?

[CodeBreaker]

What year was Kobe the clear-cut best player in the world?

[ImKobe]

From 05-10.

[FultzNationRISE]

From 05-10.


05-10 pm on a day when Lebron was sick?



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[Andrei89]

From 05-10.

Lmaooooo

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

From 05-10.

Wtf:lol

[ImKobe]

Wtf:lol

There's 0 question about it from 05-09 and it was pretty apparent in the 2010 Playoffs. I wouldn't expect anyone here to actually have watched the games back then, almost everyone had Kobe as the best player in the league.

[juju151111]

There's 0 question about it from 05-09 and it was pretty apparent in the 2010 Playoffs. I wouldn't expect anyone here to actually have watched the games back then, almost everyone had Kobe as the best player in the league.
Kobe was never the best player in 05. 06-10 maybe

[ImKobe]

Kobe was never the best player in 05. 06-10 maybe

From the start of the 05-06 season to the end of the 09-10 one.

[G0ATbe]

Wouldnt say he was ever clear cut. The years he was arguably the best he was neck and neck with someone else. Jordan , Shaq, LeBron...those are clear cut.

[SpaceJam]

Wouldnt say he was ever clear cut. The years he was arguably the best he was neck and neck with someone else. Jordan , Shaq, LeBron...those are clear cut.

Makes sense why those 3 guys are solidified top 10 all time players while general consensus for Kobe is 12thBe

[Kblaze8855]

Well in 2007 Wade was hurt half the year, Lebron was young, KG was still KG but on a bad team being ignored and people didnt generally have Nash or Dirk over Kobe and I suspect they themselves would agree. Its not clear cut but you could say it was Kobe and Duncan....with Kobe getting more love of course because of the big point totals despite a bad record.

If you had to take one year its probably 07 or 08 before Lebron reached full power and Wade was injured both years with KG and Duncan gradually slowing down. Maybe lean 08 since the Lakers had a good year and people will always factor that in.

He was never near an undisputed #1 player though. Few have been. Im not even sure how many. Mikan im sure was. Wilt maybe on Philly. Kareem for a while in the 70s. Bird was barely disputed in the mid 80s. Jordan at some points. Shaq in 2000. Duncan in 03 would be close but a lot of people had Kobe as #1 and some would say KG and Tmac too. Lebron probably had it close to undisputed in 12 and 13.

Its rare. It takes other players being hurt or old or your team to be pretty insane and just wiping people out.

Its more an issue of the stars aligning than your individual ability.

If I had to pick a moment of peak Kobe its probably 2008 or 2009....even though he wasnt that far off even in 2003. All those years have other people making strong claims other than 08 though. Lot of people had down years or their teams did with make it an easier sell.

Lebron made the finals in 07 while Kobe didnt really accomplish anything but I dont think many people in position to choose would say Lebron was better at the time.

In a player poll I think Kobe would win in 06-2010 or so with the last couple years by the thinnest of margins.

[LAL]

It's a bad day for lebron fans.
He fooled a lot of people with his stats, even in his prime.
Kobe and shaq were the two best in the league from 00 to 04, then kobe from 06 to 10, was as good as anybody in 13. Responsible for a whole lotta finals trips AND wins.

[iamgine]

Would we consider Hakeem clear cut in '94 or Dirk in '11?

[Nashty]

He never was.

[Uncle Drew]

There's 0 question about it from 05-09 and it was pretty apparent in the 2010 Playoffs. I wouldn't expect anyone here to actually have watched the games back then, almost everyone had Kobe as the best player in the league.
Hahahahaha.

[CodeBreaker]

Makes sense why those 3 guys are solidified top 10 all time players while general consensus for Kobe is 12thBe
Thought it is now 14thBe?

[Manny98]

From 05-10.
05 - he didn't even make the playoffs that year

06 - Wade & Dirk have strong arguments

07 - Duncan & LeBron were better

08 - KG,LeBron and CP3 had strong arguments

09 - LeBron

10 - LeBron

Kobe was never the clear cut best

[juju151111]

05 - he didn't even make the playoffs that year

06 - Wade & Dirk have strong arguments

07 - Duncan & LeBron were better

08 - KG,LeBron and CP3 had strong arguments

09 - LeBron

10 - LeBron

Kobe was never the clear cut best
He was in 08 and 10 to me.

[Mr Feeny]

05 - he didn't even make the playoffs that year

06 - Wade & Dirk have strong arguments

07 - Duncan & LeBron were better

08 - KG,LeBron and CP3 had strong arguments

09 - LeBron

10 - LeBron

Kobe was never the clear cut best

Sorry pal. You already said that Kobe 》 Lebron and that Lebron is 11th all time:lol

[Mr Feeny]

He was in 08 and 10 to me.

2008 was close. He, Lebron, and CP3 were a wash.
2010 is Lebron by a mile, for me. I'm not sure how it's even an argument. Lebron played at an all time level and was comfortably ahead of anyone in the league in almost every advanced metric. He was the best offensive player in the league while being arguably the best perimeter defensive player that year.

You might want to knock off a few points for his collapse in the playoffs but if we were to do that, you'd have to do the same with Kobe, who wet the bed in the finals and especially in the most important game of the season.

2010 was Lebron for me. Ahead of Wade. Ahead of Kobe.

I've got:

1999 Shaq
2000 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2002 Shaq/Duncan
2003 Shaq/Duncan
2004 Garnett/Duncan
2005 Duncan/Nash
2006 Wade/Nash/Dirk/Kobe
2007 Duncan/pre-injury Wade/Kobe/Dirk (playoff collapse hurt Dirk)
2008 Kobe/Lebron/CP3
2009 Lebron (Wade was also great but Lebron was the best player in the league)
2010 Lebron
2011 Lebron/Dirk (finals really hurt Lebron)
2012 Lebron
2013 Lebron
2014 Durant
2015 Lebron/Steph
2016 Steph/Lebron


I think that Kobe was only in the discussion for 3 years. You could make a case for any of the 3 years but I still think he has a relatively weak case, against Wade in 06, Duncan & Dirk in 2007, and Chris Paul in 2008.

[PickernRoller]

05-10.


2008 was close. He, Lebron, and CP3 were a wash.
2010 is Lebron by a mile, for me. I'm not sure how it's even an argument. Lebron played at an all time level and was comfortably ahead of anyone in the league in almost every advanced metric. He was the best offensive player in the league while being arguably the best perimeter defensive player that year.

You might want to knock off a few points for his collapse in the playoffs but if we were to do that, you'd have to do the same with Kobe, who wet the bed in the finals and especially in the most important game of the season.

2010 was Lebron for me. Ahead of Wade. Ahead of Kobe.

I've got:

1999 Shaq
2000 Shaq
2001 Shaq
2002 Shaq/Duncan
2003 Shaq/Duncan
2004 Garnett/Duncan
2005 Duncan/Nash
2006 Wade/Nash/Dirk/Kobe
2007 Duncan/pre-injury Wade/Kobe/Dirk (playoff collapse hurt Dirk)
2008 Kobe/Lebron/CP3
2009 Lebron (Wade was also great but Lebron was the best player in the league)
2010 Lebron
2011 Lebron/Dirk (finals really hurt Lebron)
2012 Lebron
2013 Lebron
2014 Durant
2015 Lebron/Steph
2016 Steph/Lebron


I think that Kobe was only in the discussion for 3 years. You could make a case for any of the 3 years but I still think he has a relatively weak case, against Wade in 06, Duncan & Dirk in 2007, and Chris Paul in 2008.

We appreciate your input.

[IllegalD]

2000-2013

[StrongLurk]

05-06 and 06-07 for sure.

I would take Kobe in 07/08, but that year is much closer.

Lebron became the best player in the 08/09 season.

[ShawkFactory]

06-08 pretty undisputed. Can arguments for a few other years

[superduper]

They year Kobe lived rent free in Bran stan heads... oh wait that means he's still the best player in the world then.

[Andrei89]

They year Kobe lived rent free in Bran stan heads... oh wait that means he's still the best player in the world then.

> Kobe lives rent free in Bran stan heads
> Makes 20 posts about Lebron a day

SuperDuperConfused :lol

[superduper]

> Kobe lives rent free in Bran stan heads
> Makes 20 posts about Lebron a day

SuperDuperConfused :lol

It's about one-two a day now but stay chasing me around :oldlol:

[Andrei89]

It's about one-two a day now but stay chasing me around :oldlol:

Chasing? Dude you are literally in every thread crying about Lebron, nobody can avoid you. :lol


The term "rent-free"was literally invented because of you lmao

[ImKobe]

05 - he didn't even make the playoffs that year

06 - Wade & Dirk have strong arguments

07 - Duncan & LeBron were better

08 - KG,LeBron and CP3 had strong arguments

09 - LeBron

10 - LeBron

Kobe was never the clear cut best

Lebron himself said Kobe's better and that's during Bran's peak in 2009.

[brownmamba00]

From 06 to 09. Feel like Kobes 09 wcf and finals performance was better than the 09 regular season LeBron.

Just sayin'

[Mr Feeny]

From 06 to 09. Feel like Kobes 09 wcf and finals performance was better than the 09 regular season LeBron.

Just sayin'

I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity and mental gymnastics of Kobe fanboys.
09 reg season Lwbron 》 09 reg season Kobe
09 playoff lebron 》 09 playoff kobe

And the "finals Kobe" was 33,,7,4 on 43% against the very same defense that Lebron had just averaged 38.5, 8, and 8 on 48% against.

2009 kobe literally has zero argument against Lebron. But then again, he wasnt better than Wade either.

[Hey Yo]

From the start of the 05-06 season to the end of the 09-10 one.
That's what the dude you quoted said... 06-10.

:facepalm

[ImKobe]

From 06 to 09. Feel like Kobes 09 wcf and finals performance was better than the 09 regular season LeBron.

Just sayin'

Yup. 34/6/6 in the WCF with a 35/6/10 game on 60/50/100 splits in the clincher. 40-point perfromance in Game 1 with game-winning FTs and 18 points in the 4th, clutch performance on the road with 41/6/5/2, 26 points in the 2nd half and this beauty

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PortlyAnxiousAmericanwirehair-size_restricted.gif


I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity and mental gymnastics of Kobe fanboys.
09 reg season Lwbron 》 09 reg season Kobe
09 playoff lebron 》 09 playoff kobe

And the "finals Kobe" was 33,,7,4 on 43% against the very same defense that Lebron had just averaged 38.5, 8, and 8 on 48% against.

2009 kobe literally has zero argument against Lebron. But then again, he wasnt better than Wade either.

25/7/7 on 40% when it mattered in Game 6. Missed clutch FTs that cost his team games. Kobe's worst game against Orlando was 31/3/8 on 44% shooting, he had 30+ points and 8 assists in 4 out of 5 games in the series.

[Mr Feeny]

Yup. 34/6/6 in the WCF with a 35/6/10 game on 60/50/100 splits in the clincher. 40-point perfromance in Game 1 with game-winning FTs and 18 points in the 4th, clutch performance on the road with 41/6/5/2, 26 points in the 2nd half and this beauty

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PortlyAnxiousAmericanwirehair-size_restricted.gif



25/7/7 on 40% when it mattered in Game 6. Missed clutch FTs that cost his team games. Kobe's worst game against Orlando was 31/3/8 on 44% shooting, he had 30+ points and 8 assists in 4 out of 5 games in the series.

Way to prove me right:oldlol:

[Atlantis]

05 - he didn't even make the playoffs that year

06 - Wade & Dirk have strong arguments

07 - Duncan & LeBron were better

08 - KG,LeBron and CP3 had strong arguments

09 - LeBron

10 - LeBron

Kobe was never the clear cut best

If you ask any NBA player who the best was at that time, there was a strong consensus it was Kobe. Just as strong of a consensus as LBJ being at the top during his Miami years if not stronger. So there's a major disconnect between your perceptions and reality.

[Atlantis]

I never cease to be amazed by the stupidity and mental gymnastics of Kobe fanboys.
09 reg season Lwbron 》 09 reg season Kobe
09 playoff lebron 》 09 playoff kobe

And the "finals Kobe" was 33,,7,4 on 43% against the very same defense that Lebron had just averaged 38.5, 8, and 8 on 48% against.

2009 kobe literally has zero argument against Lebron. But then again, he wasnt better than Wade either.

LeBron had to do more. Kobe had Gasol as a second option. Lakers were the better more well-rounded team and Kobe didn't have to put up big numbers for the Lakers to win. Who did Lebron have? If you replaced Lebron with Kobe he would have put up comparable numbers...and would have probably won the series too.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2006, 2007, 2008 definitely

2009, and 2010 arguably.

So about a five year stretch as best or strong argument for being the best in the game at said time.

2013 was even an odd late career flare up. Only player I definitively thought was better than him was LeBron that season.

[SwayDizzle]

By objective standards, one could argue 03-10.

[ImKobe]

By objective standards, one could argue 03-10.

He really was in the 2003 Regular Season, it's between him and T-Mac. 9 straight 40+pt games, 3PT record at the time with 12 made in one game, 42-point half against Jordan, three 50+pt games. All that with Shaq on the roster and he had to dial it back towards the end of the season because Phil wanted to keep Shaq happy. 2001 Kobe was arguably the best as well, him and Shaq both put up 29 in the RS and Kobe dominated the Western Conference Playoffs with 32/7/6/2 on 49% shooting and a flawless 11-0.

[Manny98]

If Kobe was the best in 06 & 07 then why was he getting spanked in the first round by Steve Nash :roll:

[SouBeachTalents]

Clear-cut, as in nobody else could be argued? I don't know if there was ever a season he was clear-cut better than anyone else in the league, the closest I think he came to that was in '08.

As Kblaze said, it's really rare, and takes kind of a perfect storm for that to occur. The only times I think a player has been truly the clear-cut BITW since Jordan was Shaq in 2000 and LeBron in '12 & '13

[Vino24]

He had no clear-cut best year

[ImKobe]

If Kobe was the best in 06 & 07 then why was he getting spanked in the first round :roll:

When did best player = having the best team? You can be the best player in the league with a terrible ass roster but you go back to 06-09 and ask anyone around the league and the first answer is "Kobe Bryant".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anoqbgOZrEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxYZAgKRtM8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtGJSiMqpWk

[SpaceJam2]

From 05-10.

Yeah 5 to 10 minutes maybe :lol

[SamuraiSWISH]

If Kobe was the best in 06 & 07 then why was he getting spanked in the first round by Steve Nash :roll:
Spanked?

The loaded #2 seed Suns were a lucky bounce and Tim Thomas shot from getting beat by

7th seed Kobe and Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Brian Cook, Kwame Brown (D leaguers) and one solid NBA player in Lamar Odom.

:rolleyes:

[Kiddlovesnets]

Never, Kobe was the best in 2008 but still not clear cut, CP3 and Lebron had an argument that year. In 2009 Kobe was already not as good as Lebron, but a close second. In 2010 we saw Lebron being quite a few steps ahead already. Before 2008 Kobe had no argument of being the best when he led his team to 2 straight first round exits.

Never being a clear cut best player at any point of his career, is one important reason why Kobe is the consensus #12 all time, ‘Cause every other top 10 player had such a year or two, but Kobe didn’t have anything like that to prove that he’s ever a dominant player.

[Celtics 1825]

Not sure if he was ever really the clear cut best player. You could definitely argue he was the BITW from 05-10, but it's not like it was indisputable. 05-07 Duncan was almost just as good, and after 08 Lebron was right up there with him. He didn't have a year like Lebron 2013 or Shaq 2000 where there was no argument for any other player to be above them.

[SpaceJam2]

If only the league created an award that could show this. Like a valuable player award or anything. Oh well

[ImKobe]

If only the league created an award that could show this. Like a valuable player award or anything. Oh well

MVP is a team/narrative-driven award. Very rarely does a player win it for actually being the best player in the league.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Probably 2008.

2006 and 2007 aren't exactly "clear-cut", but most fans, media and players at the time also thought Kobe was the best.

[CodeBreaker]

Probably 2008.

2006 and 2007 aren't exactly "clear-cut", but most fans, media and players at the time also thought Kobe was the best.
06 Wade > 06 Kobe

[ELITEpower23]

He never was.

Correct

[999Guy]

Yeah you ain’t convincing me he was better than Wade in 06, Duncan OR LeBron in 07, Paul, LeBron, Nash in 08. Yes. ****ing Nash was still better offensively than Kobe even in 08. He was a child compared to LeBron in 09, oh so quietly not better than CP3 at all in 09 either. Wash with Wade at best. No Dirk mentions in this period but he was right there hovering at Kobe levels.

[coastalmarker99]

He was the best player in the world in 2006 without a doubt.


Bill Simmons Ranks Kobe #1 (2006)

"You don't know how much this kills me. Actually, you probably do. But Mamba passes all three MVP questions ..."

"Question No. 2: In the proverbial giant pickup game with every NBA player waiting to play, who would be the first player picked this season?

Answer: Kobe. He's the best all-around player in the league, the best scorer, the best competitor, and the one guy who terrifies everyone else.

Plus, if you DIDN'T pick him, he would make it his mission to haunt you on the other team."


With Kobe off the floor, the 2006 lakers Had a 92.4 Off Rtg that is 8.7 points worse than the worst team in the league that year.


But with Kobe they had a 111.3 Offensive Rating that would be the 3rd best offence that year right behind the Suns and Mavs.


Also here are some of Kobe's incredible stats from that season

10 50 point games 3rd all-time only behind Wilt


2 months averaging over 40 ppg

From mid-December to early February averaged 40 ppg

Outscored the Mavs a team that made the finals by himself over three quarters.

Scored 81 points which is the 2nd most all-time

[ImKobe]

Yeah you ain’t convincing me he was better than Wade in 06, Duncan OR LeBron in 07, Paul, LeBron, Nash in 08. Yes. ****ing Nash was still better offensively than Kobe even in 08. He was a child compared to LeBron in 09, oh so quietly not better than CP3 at all in 09 either. Wash with Wade at best. No Dirk mentions in this period but he was right there hovering at Kobe levels.

What? Why was he not better than Wade in '06? Because he didn't have a great supporting cast and didn't get to play the Mavs in the Finals, the same team he dropped 60 on in 3 quarters and averaged 43 ppg against in 3 games that year? Dirk was at peak Kobe level? What kind of crack are you on?

And no, Duncan was not on Kobe's level in '07 lmao, Kobe averaged 31.6 on 58%TS that year and led the Lakers to the POs with most of the key rotation players injured for huge chunks of the season, that post-ASG run was legendary & we saw how much better Kobe was the following year when he had a slightly better team and completely annihilated Duncan in the Playoffs in 5 games, how many times did he attack Timmy and made him look like a sub-par defensive player?

Kobe was the best player in the world from 06-10. Stat nerds will not understand this but he was unstoppable/the most complete player in the game and almost every player/media "analyst" were in agreement as well, him, Shaq and Lebron are the only players since MJ that have actually been viewed as the best in the world by both media & players during their primes. This retard here thinks that Nash was a better offensive player than prime Kobe. Good god. Go compare the Lakers and Suns' rosters and tell me how Nash's team only had a .3 higher ORTG with peak Amare and still an all-star level Shaq while Kobe only had Gasol for 2 months. Also, Nash got shut down in the 1st round against the Spurs and let Tony Parker average damn near 30 on 58%TS on his ass LMAO.


He was the best player in the world in 2006 without a doubt.


Bill Simmons Ranks Kobe #1 (2006)

"You don't know how much this kills me. Actually, you probably do. But Mamba passes all three MVP questions ..."

"Question No. 2: In the proverbial giant pickup game with every NBA player waiting to play, who would be the first player picked this season?

Answer: Kobe. He's the best all-around player in the league, the best scorer, the best competitor, and the one guy who terrifies everyone else.

Plus, if you DIDN'T pick him, he would make it his mission to haunt you on the other team."


With Kobe off the floor, the 2006 lakers Had a 92.4 Off Rtg that is 8.7 points worse than the worst team in the league that year.


But with Kobe they had a 111.3 Offensive Rating that would be the 3rd best offence that year right behind the Suns and Mavs.


Also here are some of Kobe's incredible stats from that season

10 50 point games 3rd all-time only behind Wilt


2 months averaging over 40 ppg

From mid-December to early February averaged 40 ppg

Outscored the Mavs a team that made the finals by himself over three quarters.

Scored 81 points which is the 2nd most all-time

Not only that but he averaged 36.4 ppg on 57%TS post-ASG in '07 that included the 4-straight 50+ pt games all in close wins, including a 65-pt OT win with legendary clutch shots against Portland. He was on another level.

[RRR3]

What? Why was he not better than Wade in '06? Because he didn't have a great supporting cast and didn't get to play the Mavs in the Finals, the same team he dropped 60 on in 3 quarters and averaged 43 ppg against in 3 games that year? Dirk was at peak Kobe level? What kind of crack are you on?

And no, Duncan was not on Kobe's level in '07 lmao, Kobe averaged 31.6 on 58%TS that year and led the Lakers to the POs with most of the key rotation players injured for huge chunks of the season, that post-ASG run was legendary & we saw how much better Kobe was the following year when he had a slightly better team and completely annihilated Duncan in the Playoffs in 5 games, how many times did he attack Timmy and made him look like a sub-par defensive player?

Kobe was the best player in the world from 06-10. Stat nerds will not understand this but he was unstoppable/the most complete player in the game and almost every player/media "analyst" were in agreement as well, him, Shaq and Lebron are the only players since MJ that have actually been viewed as the best in the world by both media & players during their primes. This retard here thinks that Nash was a better offensive player than prime Kobe. Good god. Go compare the Lakers and Suns' rosters and tell me how Nash's team only had a .3 higher ORTG with peak Amare and still an all-star level Shaq while Kobe only had Gasol for 2 months. Also, Nash got shut down in the 1st round against the Spurs and let Tony Parker average damn near 30 on 58%TS on his ass LMAO.



Not only that but he averaged 36.4 ppg on 57%TS post-ASG in '07 that included the 4-straight 50+ pt games all in close wins, including a 65-pt OT win with legendary clutch shots against Portland. He was on another level.
You think Carmelo is comparable to LeBron lmaoooo

[2much_knowledge]

These Kobe haters so sad lol

Lets see: Shaq implied Kobe was #1 by 2001 (i don't agree)

Was #1 in 2003 before Duncan exploded in the playoffs

Easily from 05 to 08. Everybody agreed media and peers

09 lebron himself said kobe was still ahead

10 the whole year was a marketing campaign about lebron and kobe being 1a and 1b.

It is what it is

[RRR3]

These Kobe haters so sad lol

Lets see: Shaq implied Kobe was #1 by 2001 (i don't agree)

Was #1 in 2003 before Duncan exploded in the playoffs

Easily from 05 to 08. Everybody agreed media and peers

09 lebron himself said kobe was still ahead

10 the whole year was a marketing campaign about lebron and kobe being 1a and 1b.

It is what it is
“Easily the best player” in 2005 huh? :yaohappy:

[Gohan]

Damn these kobe haters are annoying. Wade cant even hold kobes jock strap, kobe was on a whole nother level even in 06. Wade had a good finals but thats about it

[000]

silly bronstans, kobe was the clear-cut best player in the world every year he played.

[2much_knowledge]

Damn these kobe haters are annoying. Wade cant even hold kobes jock strap, kobe was on a whole nother level even in 06. Wade had a good finals but thats about it

Wade was better in 06 cause of a grand total of 4 monster games lol.

[coastalmarker99]

What? Why was he not better than Wade in '06? Because he didn't have a great supporting cast and didn't get to play the Mavs in the Finals, the same team he dropped 60 on in 3 quarters and averaged 43 ppg against in 3 games that year? Dirk was at peak Kobe level? What kind of crack are you on?

And no, Duncan was not on Kobe's level in '07 lmao, Kobe averaged 31.6 on 58%TS that year and led the Lakers to the POs with most of the key rotation players injured for huge chunks of the season, that post-ASG run was legendary & we saw how much better Kobe was the following year when he had a slightly better team and completely annihilated Duncan in the Playoffs in 5 games, how many times did he attack Timmy and made him look like a sub-par defensive player?

Kobe was the best player in the world from 06-10. Stat nerds will not understand this but he was unstoppable/the most complete player in the game and almost every player/media "analyst" were in agreement as well, him, Shaq and Lebron are the only players since MJ that have actually been viewed as the best in the world by both media & players during their primes. This retard here thinks that Nash was a better offensive player than prime Kobe. Good god. Go compare the Lakers and Suns' rosters and tell me how Nash's team only had a .3 higher ORTG with peak Amare and still an all-star level Shaq while Kobe only had Gasol for 2 months. Also, Nash got shut down in the 1st round against the Spurs and let Tony Parker average damn near 30 on 58%TS on his ass LMAO.



Not only that but he averaged 36.4 ppg on 57%TS post-ASG in '07 that included the 4-straight 50+ pt games all in close wins, including a 65-pt OT win with legendary clutch shots against Portland. He was on another level.




People can not seriously ignore the fact that Kobe in 2006 and 2007 seemed as if he was the second coming of Wilt.



Since Wilt Chamberlain averaged 41.6 ppg on November of 1964, only one player in NBA history has averaged 40 or more ppg for a whole month - Kobe Bryant (4 times



It's just ridiculous how only Kobe was able to accomplish this.

Not even Jordan averaged 40 for a whole month.


Here are Kobe's stats in those months:

February 2003 - 40.6/4.9/3.6 on 47.2/42.9/84.6 (58.4 TS%)

January 2006 - 43.4/5.6/4.1 on 47.0/39.7/89.7 (61.1 TS%)

April 2006 - 41.6/5.5/3.6 on 50.9/41.3/82.4 (62.1 TS%)

March 2007 - 40.4/6.2/4.5 on 45.9/37.2/86.5 (57.5 TS%)



His stats look even crazier when you consider that stretch in 2006 and 2007 was during one of the lowest pace stretches in NBA history.




I mean just look at this over the course of a week in 2007 Kobe scored 65, 50, 60, and 50 in four straight games with the Lakers going 4-0.


Therefore during that insane week in 2007.

Kobe averaged 56.3 points, 6.3 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 1.5 steals, and only 2.0 TOs and to boot he shot 54.3/51.5/93.3 with a 67.6 TS%

[TheGoatest]

He was never the clear-cut best player in an objective, data-based way.
He was only the best to some in a subjective, "eye-test"-based way.

[HunterSThompson]

2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 up until the finals when his body started breaking down

[8Ball]

2003, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010 up until the finals when his body started breaking down

2003 was duncan
2006 was Wade
2007 was Duncan
2008 was Bron
2009 was Bron
2010 was Bron

[RRR3]

It was never clear cut but he had a good case in 06, 07 and 08. He had zero case any other year.

[ImKobe]

It was never clear cut but he had a good case in 06, 07 and 08. He had zero case any other year.

Yes, he had zero case when he won B2B titles lmao.

[GimmeThat]

the years when people were so freighted by Tim Duncan when Shaq and Kobe broke up. "not 5, not 6, not 7"

[2much_knowledge]

Yes, he had zero case when he won B2B titles lmao.

These clows are tripping lol. They hate MJ so hard, Kobe triggers them too for the similarities

[HunterSThompson]

2003 was duncan
2006 was Wade
2007 was Duncan
2008 was Bron
2009 was Bron
2010 was Bron

kobe had 4 times as many 40 point games and 50 point games in 2003 than duncan had in 19 years

kobe was literally god mode in 2006 and wades only success was going to the free throw line 20 times a game

duncan wasn't even finals mvp in 2007 and kobe again did in 1 week what duncan failed to do in 19 years

lebron had a horrible year in 2008 and choked the gold medal game away and needed kobe to save him

lebron choked the #1 seed vs dwight in 2009

and in 2010 lebron checked out after the worst collapse in playoff history only maybe topped by 2011


:lol

[999Guy]

What? Why was he not better than Wade in '06? Because he didn't have a great supporting cast and didn't get to play the Mavs in the Finals, the same team he dropped 60 on in 3 quarters and averaged 43 ppg against in 3 games that year? Dirk was at peak Kobe level? What kind of crack are you on?

And no, Duncan was not on Kobe's level in '07 lmao, Kobe averaged 31.6 on 58%TS that year and led the Lakers to the POs with most of the key rotation players injured for huge chunks of the season, that post-ASG run was legendary & we saw how much better Kobe was the following year when he had a slightly better team and completely annihilated Duncan in the Playoffs in 5 games, how many times did he attack Timmy and made him look like a sub-par defensive player?

Kobe was the best player in the world from 06-10. Stat nerds will not understand this but he was unstoppable/the most complete player in the game and almost every player/media "analyst" were in agreement as well, him, Shaq and Lebron are the only players since MJ that have actually been viewed as the best in the world by both media & players during their primes. This retard here thinks that Nash was a better offensive player than prime Kobe. Good god. Go compare the Lakers and Suns' rosters and tell me how Nash's team only had a .3 higher ORTG with peak Amare and still an all-star level Shaq while Kobe only had Gasol for 2 months. Also, Nash got shut down in the 1st round against the Spurs and let Tony Parker average damn near 30 on 58%TS on his ass LMAO.



Not only that but he averaged 36.4 ppg on 57%TS post-ASG in '07 that included the 4-straight 50+ pt games all in close wins, including a 65-pt OT win with legendary clutch shots against Portland. He was on another level.

So in short, 60 in 3 quarters, high PPG, isolated playoff games, and media opinions are your argument.

You’re about average level of knowledge and intrigue for a for a Kobe fan. Completely mediocre point of view that’s been perpetuated for literally years now.

I’m only saying this so you understand my complete ****ing lack of motivation to discuss this with you. You didn’t even begin an argument(to me), let alone win one. You just hit me with a bottle of stupid in the face.

Now if we could talk about: Playing ability, context, physical game, mental game, resiliency in the playoffs, approach to basketball, etc, then this would at least be fun.

Kobe fans are literally 20 years behind dumb. Like it should’ve stopped being acceptable to be this this stupid about the sport by the early 2010’s when basketball analysis really started reaching high levels on the internet, and with analytics in front offices, etc.

You’ve been posting here for over 8 years and you haven’t even added a wrinkle to the Kobe stan national anthem that is this horseshit. Not one point I haven’t seen before, no train of thought I haven’t seen(I.e “dIs guy did dIS in uh pLaYOff seRIes b4”)



feel ashamed

[Phoenix]

kobe had 4 times as many 40 point games and 50 point games in 2003 than duncan had in 19 years



Then proceeded to lose to him with Shaq on his side. But sure, 40 and 50 point games :blah

[HunterSThompson]

i think best player each year is subjective. but i know how much you guys like media stuff and even the fans voted for one of these.

Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s) - Kobe Bryant

TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s) - Kobe Bryant

Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 List: The 10 Best NBA Players Since 2000 (published in the February 2011 issue) - Kobe Bryant

Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athletes of the Decade
1. Tiger Woods (U.S.), golf
2. Roger Federer (Switzerland), tennis
3. Michael Phelps (U.S.), swimming
4. Lance Armstrong (U.S.), cycling
5. Usain Bolt (Jamaica), track and field
6. Tom Brady (U.S.), American football
7. Kobe Bryant (U.S.), basketball

[HunterSThompson]

Then proceeded to lose to him with Shaq on his side. But sure, 40 and 50 point games :blah

if horry makes even just 1 of his 20 three point attempts the lakers win that series. kobe had one of the greatest comeback performances ever and it was ruined


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1uYujpHB0

[Phoenix]

i think best player each year is subjective. but i know how much you guys like media stuff and even the fans voted for one of these.

Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s) - Kobe Bryant

TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s) - Kobe Bryant

Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 List: The 10 Best NBA Players Since 2000 (published in the February 2011 issue) - Kobe Bryant

Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athletes of the Decade
1. Tiger Woods (U.S.), golf
2. Roger Federer (Switzerland), tennis
3. Michael Phelps (U.S.), swimming
4. Lance Armstrong (U.S.), cycling
5. Usain Bolt (Jamaica), track and field
6. Tom Brady (U.S.), American football
7. Kobe Bryant (U.S.), basketball

So the same media that you argue conspired to not give Kobe the MVP award multiple years, is the same one who voted him player of the decade in multiple outlets. And to top it off, you've made these two totally contradictory arguments within the space of 30 minutes.

[2much_knowledge]

i think best player each year is subjective. but i know how much you guys like media stuff and even the fans voted for one of these.

Sporting News NBA Athlete of the Decade (2000s) - Kobe Bryant

TNT NBA Player of the Decade (2000s) - Kobe Bryant

Ranked #1 in Dime Magazine's 2012 List: The 10 Best NBA Players Since 2000 (published in the February 2011 issue) - Kobe Bryant

Sports Illustrated Top 20 Male Athletes of the Decade
1. Tiger Woods (U.S.), golf
2. Roger Federer (Switzerland), tennis
3. Michael Phelps (U.S.), swimming
4. Lance Armstrong (U.S.), cycling
5. Usain Bolt (Jamaica), track and field
6. Tom Brady (U.S.), American football
7. Kobe Bryant (U.S.), basketball

Well that settles that. Next

[HunterSThompson]

So the same media that you argue conspired to not give Kobe the MVP award multiple years, is the same one who voted him player of the decade in multiple outlets. And to top it off, you've made these two totally contradictory arguments within the space of 30 minutes.

the definition of mvp isn't clear. even the media has said its not the best player award... those things i listed are specifically "best player awards"

[Phoenix]

if horry makes even just 1 of his 20 three point attempts the lakers win that series. kobe had one of the greatest comeback performances ever and it was ruined


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF1uYujpHB0

Fascinating theory. When Kobe had Shaq and Duncan had baby Parker/Ginobli it shouldn't have come down to 'if only player X did y'.

[Phoenix]

the definition of mvp isn't clear. even the media has said its not the best player award... those things i listed are specifically "best player awards"

I'm not arguing the definition of MVP. I'm saying that if the media had some kind of agenda for Kobe winning MVP, that same agenda would have carried over to anything else like media 'player of the decade' awards.

[ImKobe]

So in short, 60 in 3 quarters, high PPG, isolated playoff games, and media opinions are your argument.

You’re about average level of knowledge and intrigue for a for a Kobe fan. Completely mediocre point of view that’s been perpetuated for literally years now.

I’m only saying this so you understand my complete ****ing lack of motivation to discuss this with you. You didn’t even begin an argument(to me), let alone win one. You just hit me with a bottle of stupid in the face.

Now if we could talk about: Playing ability, context, physical game, mental game, resiliency in the playoffs, approach to basketball, etc, then this would at least be fun.

Kobe fans are literally 20 years behind dumb. Like it should’ve stopped being acceptable to be this this stupid about the sport by the early 2010’s when basketball analysis really started reaching high levels on the internet, and with analytics in front offices, etc.

You’ve been posting here for over 8 years and you haven’t even added a wrinkle to the Kobe stan national anthem that is this horseshit. Not one point I haven’t seen before, no train of thought I haven’t seen(I.e “dIs guy did dIS in uh pLaYOff seRIes b4”)



feel ashamed

What? He was the consensus best player in the world from 06-09, it became a debate between him and Lebron after the 2009 Playoffs because of Lebron's numbers but he followed that ECF run up with a disappointing Boston series in the ECSF and quit on his team while Kobe secured the B2B titles after his 3 straight Finals. You can go do your research and see that almost every player/coach + most of the media had Kobe as the best for a long stretch there, including Lebron, Wade and Dirk who all had the same opinion. But some random guy on ISH knows better because he looked at some numbers on BBref and thinks he knows the game better than anyone else, right?

You can go google all the media/player stuff because you clearly weren't watching/following the game during Kobe's prime.


GM Survey Says...Kobe is Still #1
In the annual preseason survey of NBA General Managers, 66.7% of the respondents said that LeBron James would be their first pick to start a franchise today, with Kobe Bryant finishing second (18.5%)--but that voting clearly is more of a reflection of James' age than of a skill set comparison between James and Bryant, because those same respondents selected Bryant over James (63.0% to 25.9%) as the player who forces coaches to make the most adjustments.

Stat gurus, members of the media and fans all say that James is having a season for the ages; there is no doubt that he is playing at an MVP level. So, considering James' outstanding statistics and undeniable impact, do the league's General Managers now believe that 2008 MVP Bryant has passed the torch to James? USATODAY recently polled all 30 NBA General Managers and asked them that exact question. Although 11 of them declined to respond, of the 19 who replied 12 chose Bryant as the NBA's best player and seven selected James, which is not a significantly different voting margin than the one that existed before the season began. While stat gurus are slaves to their numbers and the media and fans alike are wowed by highlights of dunks and blocked shots, the General Managers look at the game more clinically and objectively. Bryant and James are clearly the two best players in the NBA and expert opinion still gives Bryant the edge over his younger rival.

Speaking of polls, Sports Illustrated asked 190 NBA players who they would want to take a last second shot and Bryant won in a landslide, taking 76% of the votes. Chauncey Billups, LeBron James and Paul Pierce received 3% each, while Dwyane Wade got 2%. I have repeatedly said that I think that last second shots are overrated as a statistical category because the sample size is small and most such shots are low percentage attempts anyway; I am much more impressed by a player who can take over a game for an extended period of time in clutch moments, such as scoring 12 points in the fourth quarter or making a series of big plays when the outcome of the game is in doubt. I am much more certain that Bryant is the best player in the NBA in that regard than I am that he is the best last second shot maker but the fact that the overwhelming majority of his peers rank him first in the latter category cannot be lightly dismissed.

The February 16, 2009 issue of the Sporting News contains a brief article in which an anonymous NBA scout ranks the league's top five playmakers. Not surprisingly, Chris Paul tops the list, with Steve Nash and LeBron James placing second and third and Jason Kidd fifth. Kobe Bryant is fourth and the scout declares, "He has always been a good passer. There's no one I would rather have with the clock running out and you need someone to make a play under pressure."


https://youtu.be/Fv37ykpYk84

Just remember that the man you stan so hard for every day said this himself.

[HunterSThompson]

Fascinating theory. When Kobe had Shaq and Duncan had baby Parker/Ginobli it shouldn't have come down to 'if only player X did y'.

shaq was fat and lazy on defense that season. and he cost the lakers home court advantage due to his decision to get surgery at the start of the season to "heal on company time".

not having home court might have cost them that series. shaq admitted he was lazy and spoiled and just made kobe carry him all year since their first title

[999Guy]

What? He was the consensus best player in the world from 06-09, it became a debate between him and Lebron after the 2009 Playoffs because of Lebron's numbers but he followed that ECF run up with a disappointing Boston series in the ECSF and quit on his team while Kobe secured the B2B titles after his 3 straight Finals. You can go do your research and see that almost every player/coach + most of the media had Kobe as the best for a long stretch there, including Lebron, Wade and Dirk who all had the same opinion. But some random guy on ISH knows better because he looked at some numbers on BBref and thinks he knows the game better than anyone else, right?

You can go google all the media/player stuff because you clearly weren't watching/following the game during Kobe's prime.




https://youtu.be/Fv37ykpYk84

Just remember that the man you stan so hard for every day said this himself.

I’m not sure if I could ever get you to be aware enough to understand just how useless of a post this was.

I don’t care about ****ing LeBron of all people, at all, and definitely not media opinions on basketball.

I’m just disgusted with the lack of fun it is to talk the sport with people who obsess with it all day. You such have a narrow understanding and point of view of so much. Your whole world is sucking Kobe’s dick OVER LeBron’s. We don’t have anything to talk about, yet we’re talking about the same shit. Carry one. Or make another impossibly dumb post, not grasping anything I’m saying and perpetuating this pathetic Kobe jocking nonsense.

[HunterSThompson]

I'm not arguing the definition of MVP. I'm saying that if the media had some kind of agenda for Kobe winning MVP, that same agenda would have carried over to anything else like media 'player of the decade' awards.

i told you by 2008 the media had warmed up to kobe but by then it was lebrons league cause he was their poster boy and they couldn't give player of the decade to him. and those votes don't come with an award and they're not even listed on his accomplishments on basketball reference and nobody ever brings them up. they're not real awards


the media wasn't out to get kobe after 2008. but at the same time they weren't out to give him mvps either

[Phoenix]

shaq was fat and lazy on defense that season. and he cost the lakers home court advantage due to his decision to get surgery at the start of the season to "heal on company time".

not having home court might have cost them that series. shaq admitted he was lazy and spoiled and just made kobe carry him all year since their first title

A fat and lazy Shaq was still dropping 27 and 11. Or let's see just how far down the rabbit hole you go: if given the choice of teammates for Kobe to roll with for a title run in 2003, you rolling with 27/11 'fat' Shaq.....or baby Parker/rookie Ginobli and David Robinson dropping 8ppg at that stage?

[ImKobe]

I’m not sure if I could ever get you to be aware enough to understand just how useless of a post this was.

I don’t care about ****ing LeBron of all people, at all, and definitely not media opinions on basketball.

I’m just disgusted with the lack of fun it is to talk the sport with people who obsess with it all day. You such a narrow understanding and point of view of so much. Your whole world is sucking Kobe’s dick OVER LeBron’s. We don’t have anything to talk about, yet we’re talking about the same shit. Carry one. Or make another impossibly dumb post, not grasping anything I’m saying and perpetuating this pathetic Kobe jocking nonsense.

No one's forcing you to enter any of these threads. If you don't care and don't have a dog in the fight, you can just not reply at all, mkay?

[Phoenix]

i told you by 2008 the media had warmed up to kobe but by then it was lebrons league cause he was their poster boy and they couldn't give player of the decade to him. and those votes don't come with an award and they're not even listed on his accomplishments on basketball reference and nobody ever brings them up. they're not real awards


the media wasn't out to get kobe after 2008. but at the same time they weren't out to give him mvps either

Ah so they hated them in 2007, but did a complete 180 in 2008 and gave him MVP. Fascinating.

I just remembered today's a holiday and I'm here arguing with some asylum escapee about Kobe MVP conspiracies. Off to work on my steam backlog....you have yourself a good one and keep hope alive.

[999Guy]

No one's forcing you to enter any of these threads. If you don't care and don't have a dog in the fight, you can just not reply at all, mkay?

No I’m good

[HunterSThompson]

Ah so they hated them in 2007, but did a complete 180 in 2008 and gave him MVP. Fascinating.

I just remembered today's a holiday and I'm here arguing with some asylum escapee about Kobe MVP conspiracies. Off to work on my steam backlog....you have yourself a good one and keep hope alive.

i told you the media gave kobe a pitty award in 2008 to absolve themselves. they wanted so bad to give it to lebron but his team underachieved

and KG was their next guy in line but he underperformed individually and missed some games

then CP3 failed during their mvp showdown and lebron advocated for kobe to win the award before he does.


that and their 3 years stretch of giving it to a white guy had gotten stale


i think a lot of the media felt bad for how they blackballed kobe and i think what made them forgive him was the lakers becoming good again in early 2008 before pau even got there. people were like "oh so he actually is good and doesn't need shaq afterall. maybe we can market this


and the fact that there was a conspiracy against kobe is inarguable. 8 guys left kobe off their mvp ballot during his absolute best season

[GimmeThat]

So in short, 60 in 3 quarters, high PPG, isolated playoff games, and media opinions are your argument.

You’re about average level of knowledge and intrigue for a for a Kobe fan. Completely mediocre point of view that’s been perpetuated for literally years now.

I’m only saying this so you understand my complete ****ing lack of motivation to discuss this with you. You didn’t even begin an argument(to me), let alone win one. You just hit me with a bottle of stupid in the face.

Now if we could talk about: Playing ability, context, physical game, mental game, resiliency in the playoffs, approach to basketball, etc, then this would at least be fun.

Kobe fans are literally 20 years behind dumb. Like it should’ve stopped being acceptable to be this this stupid about the sport by the early 2010’s when basketball analysis really started reaching high levels on the internet, and with analytics in front offices, etc.

You’ve been posting here for over 8 years and you haven’t even added a wrinkle to the Kobe stan national anthem that is this horseshit. Not one point I haven’t seen before, no train of thought I haven’t seen(I.e “dIs guy did dIS in uh pLaYOff seRIes b4”)



feel ashamed


it's kinda clear that the wedgie they gave you in gym class hasn't come off yet

[GimmeThat]

I’m not sure if I could ever get you to be aware enough to understand just how useless of a post this was.

I don’t care about ****ing LeBron of all people, at all, and definitely not media opinions on basketball.

I’m just disgusted with the lack of fun it is to talk the sport with people who obsess with it all day. You such have a narrow understanding and point of view of so much. Your whole world is sucking Kobe’s dick OVER LeBron’s. We don’t have anything to talk about, yet we’re talking about the same shit. Carry one. Or make another impossibly dumb post, not grasping anything I’m saying and perpetuating this pathetic Kobe jocking nonsense.

the fun about sport has never been about talking, but people, something clearly you have no grasp on,

[SouBeachTalents]

So the same media that you argue conspired to not give Kobe the MVP award multiple years, is the same one who voted him player of the decade in multiple outlets. And to top it off, you've made these two totally contradictory arguments within the space of 30 minutes.
:roll:

Whenever we bring up that the media ranks LeBron ahead of Kobe: “Who cares what the media thinks, they’re biased and don’t know shit about basketball”

In this discussion: “But look at all the media outlets that ranked Kobe as player of the decade”

3ball levels of contradiction :lol

[ImKobe]

:roll:

Whenever we bring up that the media ranks LeBron ahead of Kobe: “Who cares what the media thinks, they’re biased and don’t know shit about basketball”

In this discussion: “But look at all the media outlets that ranked Kobe as player of the decade”

3ball levels of contradiction :lol

I don't think people understand that there's more than one "media". Sure, some media members & outlets always liked Kobe but there was clearly some bias against him from certain outlets and people during his prime because of the Colorado incident, and the fact that the league as a whole wanted to move away from all the drama and the "gangster hip hop image" after the Palace incident. I don't think it's a coincidence that Nash won those MVPs after the league threw their players under the bus in the aftermath of the Detroit brawl and also introduced the dress code.

As is though, I believe the TNT's player of the decade award was voted by fans. But it's clear to anyone who does their research on this that Kobe was almost unanimously the best in the world from 06-10 overall. Fans, media and players/coaches/GMs picked him for a reason.

[LAL]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_hJuAyQkpI

Teammate of 2x mvp Steve Nash

[Hey Yo]

:roll:

Whenever we bring up that the media ranks LeBron ahead of Kobe: “Who cares what the media thinks, they’re biased and don’t know shit about basketball”

In this discussion: “But look at all the media outlets that ranked Kobe as player of the decade”

3ball levels of contradiction :lol

Even funnier when those same Kobe stans always say LeBron's dumb amd doesn't know what he's talking about.............. until it's a quote or video of him praising Kobe.

[HunterSThompson]

A fat and lazy Shaq was still dropping 27 and 11. Or let's see just how far down the rabbit hole you go: if given the choice of teammates for Kobe to roll with for a title run in 2003, you rolling with 27/11 'fat' Shaq.....or baby Parker/rookie Ginobli and David Robinson dropping 8ppg at that stage?

offensively shaq was great. he was extremely lazy on defense in 2003. that was the main difference. duncan had numbers waaaaay above his norm. shaq couldn't do anything to stop him. he refused to even guard him half the time

[dankok8]

2006, 2007, 2008 Kobe was the best IMO. And then you can make an argument for 2009 and 2010.

[jalbert009]

Kobe was great in 05-07 But he missed the playoffs in 05 and was eliminated in the first round in 06 & 07. Its hard to claim best player in the League if youre not making deep playoff runs.