the last man standing: Draymond Green averaging 8 pts, 7 boards, 5 assists

[STATUTORY]

on 39% FG, 20% 3FG, 50% FT

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Steph and Klay carried this guy

[RealSkipBayless]

Didn't he say he would put up big numbers if he was on a different team?

Draymond straight up FLEECED the GSW with that contract extension. Some dudes thought he was taking a discount.

:roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

and an ejection when they still had a chance to win because he won't let any man tell him to shut up :lol

[STATUTORY]

this dude lowkey cost GSW a championship in 2016 and Durant in 2019

:roll:

[superduper]

People will act like it was never said but where are all the cowards that said Draymond would thrive as the first option of his own team and carry it like he carried Curry?

Where they go?

[Hey Yo]

on 39% FG, 20% 3FG, 50% FT

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Steph and Klay carried this guy
8-7 on 39% shooting??

That's almost equal to "superstar" Kevin Love's numbers in the 2016 Finals.

Carried by LeBron and Kyrie.

[red1]

you guys need to go easier on the donkeyfaced bitch. it's not his fault that he's retarded.

[Uncle Drew]

this dude lowkey cost GSW a championship in 2016 and Durant in 2019

:roll:
I thought it was Silver who cost them? Oof, slip of the tongue? Draymond was the only and sole reason the Warriors were even competitive in G7. Performance for the ages.

[Uncle Drew]

People will act like it was never said but where are all the cowards that said Draymond would thrive as the first option of his own team and carry it like he carried Curry?

Where they go?
Please show me anyone stating such a thing.

[red1]

the best play draymond ever made was making that parking-lot call



he is just as responsible as KD for the warriors breaking the league.

[hiphopanonymous]

Its his time to step up to the plate when no other scorers available and he out here averaging a triple single :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

Its his time to step up to the plate when no other scorers available and he out here averaging a triple single :oldlol:

Russell scores

[red1]

Its his time to step up to the plate when no other scorers available and he out here averaging a triple single :oldlol:
:roll: :roll:

[hiphopanonymous]

[HylianNightmare]

Bum

[Miles and Miles]

I'm so shocked he was overrated :roll:

[Meticode]

Anyone who didn't already know this was naive. He got to play his perfect position on a team behind two to three would be Hall of Famers. All he has to do is concentrate on giving 100% on defense, passing the ball to the open guy when needed and trying to knock down a three if it ever ended up in his hands.

I remember the last several years analysts saying he was one of the most underrated players currently. Personally I felt the opposite. I felt he was getting overrated.

He was important to the Warriors run, but he's been overrated as well.

[Bosnian Sajo]

and an erection when they still had a chance to win because he won't let any man tell him to shut up :lol

I would get one too, tbh.

[Phoenix]

You mean there were people arguing Dray was more than a role player, albeit a very good one? The Warriors of the past 5 seasons were a perfect situation for him. He's a glue guy, an energy guy, the X factor. That's his ceiling.

[Jasper]

on 39% FG, 20% 3FG, 50% FT

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Steph and Klay carried this guy

his shot disappeared about 2 years ago.

[15yearmagicfan]

I made a post on this a few weeks ago.

The most overrated player in the league!

I remember when idiots were comparing him to Charles Barkley.

[Bronbron23]

People will act like it was never said but where are all the cowards that said Draymond would thrive as the first option of his own team and carry it like he carried Curry?

Where they go?
I don't think anyone ever said that. People said that he's as important on that particular team which is pretty accurate. Klay, Steph and dray compliment each other perfectly. Take any one away and they don't win a chip. Actually out of the 3 Steph is the only one you can take out and they can still at least be competitive and have a chance. Klay and dray would have way more success than just Klay and Steph or dray and Steph. This has been proven even though Steph fans are in denial about it.

[stalkerforlife]

I was fooled for a minute.

Dude is worse than I thought he would be on his own.

[3ball]

Warriors were simply not a juggernaut until KD got there - basically beatable by anyone in the Finals, whether it's Lebron's super-team or Kawhi's starless team - only 8-10 in the Finals without KGoat

And it makes sense - since when is klay/dray a great formidable cast?... basically reggie miller and derrick mckey... kyrie/love is easily better, let alone hof's wade/bosh/allen, or league MVP AD..

[Vino24]

Warriors were simply not a juggernaut until KD got there - basically beatable by anyone in the Finals, whether it's Lebron's super-team or Kawhi's starless team - only 8-10 in the Finals without KGoat

And it makes sense - since when is klay/dray a great formidable cast?... basically reggie miller and derrick mckey.
Draygod in 2016 was better than prime Pippen

[Bronbron23]

Draygod in 2016 was better than prime Pippen
:facepalm

[3ball]

Draygod in 2016 was better than prime Pippen
about the same.. but that isn't saying much

[Manny98]

about the same.. but that isn't saying much
So LeBron beat a team with a unanimous MVP and the equivalent of Prime Pippen and Reggie Miller as his second and third options :eek: :eek:

[3ball]

So LeBron beat a team with a unanimous MVP and the equivalent of Prime Pippen and Reggie Miller as his second and third options :eek: :eek:



Kyrie/Love > Pippen/Miller..... see below


Kyrie > Pippen:

Playoffs

Kyriem 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 23.9 ppg.. 57.3 ts.. 41% threes.. 89% ft.. 23.0 PER.. 0.181 ws/48.. 2.9 rpg.. 4.9 apg.. 2.5 tov
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_per_game):.' 19.8 ppg.. 52.4 ts.. 28% threes.. 72% ft.. 19.7 PER.. 0.157 ws/48.. 8.3 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 3.1 tov

Kyriem 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_advanced):. 3.6 obpm.. outplayed league mvp.. hit Finals-winning shot
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_advanced):'. 3.1 obpm.. outplayed by schrempf.. no winning shots



And Love > Miller (Love's stats are so much better it's not worth posting

[Manny98]

Kyrie/Love > Pippen/Miller..... see below


Kyrie > Pippen:

Playoffs

Kyriem 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 23.9 ppg.. 57.3 ts.. 41% threes.. 89% ft.. 23.0 PER.. 0.181 ws/48.. 2.9 rpg.. 4.9 apg.. 2.5 tov
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_per_game):.' 19.8 ppg.. 52.4 ts.. 28% threes.. 72% ft.. 19.7 PER.. 0.157 ws/48.. 8.3 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 3.1 tov

Kyriem 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_advanced):. 3.6 obpm.. outplayed league mvp.. hit Finals-winning shot
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_advanced):'. 3.1 obpm.. outplayed by schrempf.. no winning shots



And Love > Miller (Love's stats are so much better it's not worth posting
No one in there right mind would take a duo of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love over Scottie Pippen and Reggie Miller :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

And Love > Miller (Love's stats are so much better it's not worth posting
And so are LeBron's compared to all but literally a handful of players in history. This is where you'll always trip yourself up, you base every other player comparison completely upon their statistical output, like you literally just did here, yet you don't apply the same logic when it comes to comparisons with LeBron

[3ball]

And so are LeBron's compared to literally all but a handful of players. This is where you'll always trip yourself up, make every other comparison completely dependent upon stats, yet refuse to do the same when it comes to LeBron.
With the secondary players, you can just compare stats - they're just filling a role

Whereas the top guys elevate a team to play greater and dictate brand of ball, so their individual stats aren't always the only thing to look at.

I was just thinking how you know - coaches aren't complete dummies.. they structure the offense based on what suits the best player and what the best player can handle.. No coach will take the ball out of Lebron's hands for the betterment of teammates or brand of ball because then Lebron's talent can't be maximized (he can't get the same stats off-ball)..

So since coaches must sacrifice ball movement and teammate/brand growth so Lebron is maximized/won't be wasted, the team underwhelms compared to what they should do.. There's no excuse for Lebron/Kyrie/Love not flirting with 70 wins like Kawhi and Curry did with equal or lesser casts... Ditto when Lebron was in Miami and only went 2/4 - he was literally the underdog every year with a superteam..

His style simply doesn't get the most of teammates or teams.. That's why other guys with better scoring versatility to fit with a more player types (not just shooters) and have a better brand (ball movement over a 1-ball-dominator approach) would do better with Lebron's teams than he did..
.

[ImKobe]

this dude lowkey cost GSW a championship in 2016 and Durant in 2019

:roll:

Cost them a championship with the greatest individual Game 7 performance in league history.

[3ball]

No one in there right mind would take a duo of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love over Scottie Pippen and Reggie Miller :facepalm
The fact that Kyrie/Love have much better stats than Pippen/Miller simply means that they're better better relative to their competition than Pippen/Miller were.

So they have bigger advantage over the comp they face than Pippen/Miller did over the 90's comp, and therefore help Lebron more than Pippen/Miller would help whoever was their #1 option

I can't help that Pippen/Miller look like the better players - the entire 90's had better players... :hammerhead: ... But the reality is that Pippen/Miller did worse against their comp then Kyrie/Love do against theirs (worse stats), and therefore are less help than Kyrie/Love provide in today's era

[Bronbron23]

Kyrie/Love > Pippen/Miller..... see below


Kyrie > Pippen:

Playoffs

Kyriem 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 23.9 ppg.. 57.3 ts.. 41% threes.. 89% ft.. 23.0 PER.. 0.181 ws/48.. 2.9 rpg.. 4.9 apg.. 2.5 tov
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_per_game):.' 19.8 ppg.. 52.4 ts.. 28% threes.. 72% ft.. 19.7 PER.. 0.157 ws/48.. 8.3 rpg.. 5.9 apg.. 3.1 tov

Kyriem 16-17' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/irvinky01.html#2016-2017-sum:playoffs_advanced):. 3.6 obpm.. outplayed league mvp.. hit Finals-winning shot
Pippen 91-96' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html#1991-1996-sum:playoffs_advanced):'. 3.1 obpm.. outplayed by schrempf.. no winning shots



And Love > Miller (Love's stats are so much better it's not worth posting
Yeah ok dude. Reggie Miller did pretty well leading a team. Scottie pip did pretty well leading a team. How has it gone for love leading a team? How has it gone for Kyrie leading a team?

There isn't a gm in the history of the NBA that would take Kyrie and love over Reggie and pip.

[tpols]

Second round pick for a reason...

once again..yall dismiss iggy and bogut. on top of klay chef and the role players.

Dray on ANY other team would be a washout, potentially malcontent role player with nowhere near the accolades he currently holds.

[warriorfan]

Looks like the Warriors

[tpols]

Russell scores


i wish we could say the same for your boy rudy.

[RealSkipBayless]

Leave it to 3ball to completely takeover this topic. :lol

[Bronbron23]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Looks like the Warriors

[Xiao Yao You]

i wish we could say the same for your boy rudy.

Why? He dominates games. They have others that can score though he's had two big games in a row scoring wise. :confusedshrug:

[ILLsmak]

on 39% FG, 20% 3FG, 50% FT

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Steph and Klay carried this guy

KFC stats. 8 chicken, 7 sides, 5 biscuits. Buckets.

-Smak

[Smoke117]

He talked a big game, but knew his actual worth and was smart to take that max extension when he could. The warriors are certainly cringing at even giving him that amount now.

[Celtics 1825]

The textbook definition of a system player. Without star players surrounding him he's useless

[15yearmagicfan]

The textbook definition of a system player. Without star players surrounding him he's useless


Bingo.