Who has played with more talent? Lebron or Kobe

[Duncan21formvp]

Who has played with more talent? Lebron or Kobe

Lebron: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Ben Wallace (4x DPOY), Anthony Davis, Kyrie, D.Wade (Finals MVP), Bosh, Mo Williams, Jamison, Derrick Rose (MVP), Carlos Boozer, Big Z

Kobe: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Nash (2x MVP), Artest (4x DPOY), Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman (2x DPOY), Van Exel

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan

[STATUTORY]

Lebron played with a PRIME Wade, PRIME Kyrie, PRIME Bosh, PRIME Love, PRIME Anthony Davis PRIME Mo Williams

Kobe played with a prime Shaq and Gasol and that is it.

Not even CLOSE

[hiphopanonymous]

Lebron played with a PRIME Wade, PRIME Kyrie, PRIME Bosh, PRIME Love, PRIME Anthony Davis PRIME Mo Williams

Kobe played with a prime Shaq and Gasol and that is it.

Not even CLOSE
:applause:

[Manny98]

LeBron never had a teammate anywhere close to Prime Shaq

[bison]

you could form 4 different Dream Teams with the rosters lebron has played with.

[Manny98]

Who has played with more talent? Lebron or Kobe

Lebron: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Ben Wallace (4x DPOY), Anthony Davis, Kyrie, D.Wade (Finals MVP), Bosh, Derrick Rose (MVP), Carlos Boozer, Big Z

Kobe: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Nash (2x MVP), Artest (4x DPOY), Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman (2x DPOY), Van Exel
Why are you including players that were way past there prime when they played with LeBron dipshit

[ImKobe]

Bron's had so many great teammates and well-rounded rosters that it's not even close, Kobe's peak was wasted with the worst supporting casts in the NBA. Not only did Bron have two top 10 players in the league at his peak but now he has a top 5 player and another loaded roster to end his career.

[elementally morale]

LeBron played with more talent but Kobe played with the best talent. Prime Shaq blows everyone out of the water. Next best is Wade on the LeBron side... but Gasol was nearly as useful for Kobe. While being not as good as Wade, Gasol was a perfect fit.

So I'd say it's pretty close as far as best talent goes. Both these players had nice talent around them for their rings. LeBron probably had more time playing with great talent though.

One interesting difference is this: LeBron made average and (by NBA standards) bad players around him a lot better and made already great players a bit worse. Kobe made great players even better and bad players even worse... I'd say he also elevated average but willing players (Walton, Fisher, etc.).

[Nashty]

Kobe and it's not even close. His teams played almost the same when he was injured, their winning percentage went from 65% to 60% when he was not playing. If you replace Kobe with literally anyone, let's say Adam Morrison for example, they still win 5 championships. Replace him with a borderline All Star player like Monta Ellis, they win at least 8.

[Duncan21formvp]

LeBron never had a teammate anywhere close to Prime Shaq
He had Shaq though and Shaq had already won 3 finals mvp's and a league mvp at the time.

[PickernRoller]

Lebron played with a PRIME Wade, PRIME Kyrie, PRIME Bosh, PRIME Love, PRIME Anthony Davis PRIME Mo Williams

Kobe played with a prime Shaq and Gasol and that is it.

Not even CLOSE

..

[brooks_thompson]

Shaq
Pau Gasol
Rick Fox
Smush Parker
Derek Fisher
--
Lamar Odom
Trevor Ariza
Dwight Howard
Robert Horry
Eddie Jones
Nick Van Exel


VS.

Tony Davis
Chris Bosh
Jamario Moon
Dwyane Wade
Kyrie Irving
---
Kevin Love
Mo Williams
Mike Miller
Ray Allen
Mario Chalmers
Ilgauskas


Who ya got? Team Smush or Team Jamario?

[stalkerforlife]

Lol.

[Duncan21formvp]

Shaq
Pau Gasol
Rick Fox
Smush Parker
Derek Fisher
--
Lamar Odom
Trevor Ariza
Dwight Howard
Robert Horry
Eddie Jones
Nick Van Exel


VS.

Tony Davis
Chris Bosh
Jamario Moon
Dwyane Wade
Kyrie Irving
---
Kevin Love
Mo Williams
Mike Miller
Ray Allen
Mario Chalmers
Ilgauskas


Who ya got? Team Smush or Team Jamario?

Team Jamario is more stacked.

[SouBeachTalents]

Robinson (MVP/DPOY) Kawhi (2x FMVP/2x DPOY) Parker (FMVP) Manu, Aldridge, Bowen, Finley, Elliott, Van Exel

AND he had Pop as coach, Duncan pretty easily

[red1]

both players are better than duncan.


1. lebron
2. kobe
3. duncan

[Rocket]

Lebron is the better player but he has most definitely had more talent on his teams. Lebron is somewhere between #5 - 10 all time and Kobe is top 20 but Lebron has won with stacked teams for the most part. Kobe had Shaq in his prime carry him when he was young but he did win titles with teams with far less talent than Bron later in his career.

[knicksman]

Lebron is the better player but he has most definitely had more talent on his teams. Lebron is somewhere between #5 - 10 all time and Kobe is top 20 but Lebron has won with stacked teams for the most part. Kobe had Shaq in his prime carry him when he was young but he did win titles with teams with far less talent than Bron later in his career.

You cant be better if you need more to win.

[Duncan21formvp]

LeBron never had a teammate anywhere close to Prime Shaq
How so? Lebron had a Shaq with 3 finals mvp's and a league mvp and who just won allstar game mvp.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Not even close ...

LeBron:

Prime Wade
Prime AD
Prime Kyrie
Prime Bosh
Prime Love

Kobe:

Prime Shaq
Prime Gasol

[SpaceJam2]

Kobe was the best player for 1 ring
LeBron was the best player for 3 rings


Next

[SpaceJam2]

Robinson (MVP/DPOY) Kawhi (2x FMVP/2x DPOY) Parker (FMVP) Manu, Aldridge, Bowen, Finley, Elliott, Van Exel

AND he had Pop as coach, Duncan pretty easily

Bingo

[CodeBreaker]

LeBron never had Prime SHAQ level teammate.

/thread

[Duncan21formvp]

Kobe and it's not even close. His teams played almost the same when he was injured, their winning percentage went from 65% to 60% when he was not playing. If you replace Kobe with literally anyone, let's say Adam Morrison for example, they still win 5 championships. Replace him with a borderline All Star player like Monta Ellis, they win at least 8.
Lebron had much more talent on his teams.

[Duncan21formvp]

Robinson (MVP/DPOY) Kawhi (2x FMVP/2x DPOY) Parker (FMVP) Manu, Aldridge, Bowen, Finley, Elliott, Van Exel

AND he had Pop as coach, Duncan pretty easily
How you bring him into it?

[Cold soul]

It’s gotta be Lebron here however Kobe had the best player by far that being prime/peak Shaq 99-01.

[Cold soul]

Not even close ...

LeBron:

Prime Wade
Prime AD
Prime Kyrie
Prime Bosh
Prime Love

Kobe:

Prime Shaq
Prime Gasol

This ^^^. Lebron had luxury of forming and playing the GM role deciding what players he wanted on his teams.

[julizaver]

Who has played with more talent? Lebron or Kobe

Lebron: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Ben Wallace (4x DPOY), Anthony Davis, Kyrie, D.Wade (Finals MVP), Bosh, Mo Williams, Jamison, Derrick Rose (MVP), Carlos Boozer, Big Z

Kobe: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Nash (2x MVP), Artest (4x DPOY), Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman (2x DPOY), Van Exel

Kobe won 3 chips as a second fiddle to Shaq evident by the 3x FMVPs (the most dominant player of modern era after MJ). And Kobe won of off his 5 rings under Phil Jackson. Talent of players on the court matters, but also the coaching and system under (ask Duncan). End of thread.

[ImKobe]

Kobe won 3 chips as a second fiddle to Shaq evident by the 3x FMVPs (the most dominant player of modern era after MJ). And Kobe won of off his 5 rings under Phil Jackson. Talent of players on the court matters, but also the coaching and system under (ask Duncan). End of thread.

Kobe and Shaq were 1a/1b depending on match-ups, you can call Kobe 2nd fiddle in 2000 but even then he was their most important player when it came to winning a close series against Portland, it's not like Kobe got taken for a ride when he was their best defensive player, playmaker, and closer. Kobe was the one carrying the offense against the Spurs in 2001 and 2002, when Shaq couldn't dominate like he did against weak EC frontcourts. Phil Jackson is vastly overrated, he only had success with top 10 ATGs but look at what he did on the Knicks, he was a great manager but he wasn't as good as Popovich.

[Andrei89]

Lebron played with a PRIME Wade, PRIME Kyrie, PRIME Bosh, PRIME Love, PRIME Anthony Davis PRIME Mo Williams

Kobe played with a prime Shaq and Gasol and that is it.

Not even CLOSE


> Mention PRIME MO THE GOAT WILLIAMS
> Does not mention prime Dwight


hahahhaa Kobe stans on thin ice these days:roll: :roll:

[Duncan21formvp]

> Mention PRIME MO THE GOAT WILLIAMS
> Does not mention prime Dwight


hahahhaa Kobe stans on thin ice these days:roll: :roll:
What do you mean?

[PickernRoller]

The fact that this poll is close tells you everything you need to know about the retard IQ's of this forum.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Who has played with more talent? Lebron or Kobe

Lebron: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Ben Wallace (4x DPOY), Anthony Davis, Kyrie, D.Wade (Finals MVP), Bosh, Mo Williams, Jamison, Derrick Rose (MVP), Carlos Boozer, Big Z

Kobe: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Nash (2x MVP), Artest (4x DPOY), Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman (2x DPOY), Van Exel



Another dumb ISH thread. As if Kobe played with Nash when he was an MVP and Lebron played with Shaq as a 3x finals mvp.


If you're going to mention those old guys, mention Boozer and Hibbert with Kobe. Mention Rashard Lewis and Ray Allen for Lebron.



I mean WHAT a ****ing stupid thread :oldlol:

[Mr.GOAT2408]

Obviously LeBron

All these years of having stacked teams and yet only 3 rings

Kobe had trash for half of his absolute prime and still wound up winning 2 years in the other half, imagine if he was team hopping from one superteam to another, probably 5 rings + the 3 he had with Shaq. Insane

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron. He played with Duncan, Iverson, Wade, Bosh, Dwight in the Olympics and lost and then with Boozer, Big Z, Ben Wallace, Jamison, Mo. Williams, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo, Marc Gasol all when they were proven players.

[SATAN]

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[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron. He played with Duncan, Iverson, Wade, Bosh, Dwight in the Olympics and lost and then with Boozer, Big Z, Ben Wallace, Jamison, Mo. Williams, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo, Marc Gasol all when they were proven players.
Feeling insecure after seeing him drop 46 tonight huh :lol

[Wally450]

Lebron. He played with Duncan, Iverson, Wade, Bosh, Dwight in the Olympics and lost and then with Boozer, Big Z, Ben Wallace, Jamison, Mo. Williams, Derrick Rose, Deron Williams, Shaq, Wade, Bosh, Anthony Davis, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo, Marc Gasol all when they were proven players.

:roll:

I know there's other players on that list that were well done by the time they got to play with LeBron but Shaq was completely done when he got to Cleveland.

[SouBeachTalents]

:roll:

I know there's other players on that list that were well done by the time they got to play with LeBron but Shaq was completely done when he got to Cleveland.
Bruh why would you even respond to that retards post seriously :lol

[Gudo]

Shaq
Pau Gasol
Rick Fox
Smush Parker
Derek Fisher
--
Lamar Odom
Trevor Ariza
Dwight Howard
Robert Horry
Eddie Jones
Nick Van Exel


VS.

Tony Davis
Chris Bosh
Jamario Moon
Dwyane Wade
Kyrie Irving
---
Kevin Love
Mo Williams
Mike Miller
Ray Allen
Mario Chalmers
Ilgauskas


Who ya got? Team Smush or Team Jamario?

Lol. Current rules though team jamario wins.

[light]

Who has played with more talent? Lebron or Kobe

Lebron: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Ben Wallace (4x DPOY), Anthony Davis, Kyrie, D.Wade (Finals MVP), Bosh, Mo Williams, Jamison, Derrick Rose (MVP), Carlos Boozer, Big Z

Kobe: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Nash (2x MVP), Artest (4x DPOY), Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman (2x DPOY), Van Exel

Kobe had peak Shaq.

That's like Kobe playing with some version of LeBron.

LeBron has never had a teammate like peak Shaq. AD comes closest but AD is still not Shaq. Some of their advanced stats may look similar but that's where similarities end.

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron, probably.


But LeBron is played far talent-heavier times.


2008-2010 NBA was a joke compared to now.


And teams had a completely different make-up.

Nowadays every team has 2-3 stars (more talent & different built to compete with uber stacked teams) and we have cheat code teams like 2017-2019 GSW and 2020- BN.

Meanwhile 2008-2010 Kobe was the only top 5 player with a legit all-star sidekick!

LeBron, Wade, Dirk, Howard, no all-star teammates.

Since top 5 players win in the NBA, Kobe pretty much had it cut out for him, and it still took choke-jobs for him to come through.

[Manny98]

Duncan21forfmvp/Kawhileonard 2 is easily the worst poster on this forum :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron, probably.


But LeBron is played far talent-heavier times.


2008-2010 NBA was a joke compared to now.


And teams had a completely different make-up.

Nowadays every team has 2-3 stars (more talent & different built to compete with uber stacked teams) and we have cheat code teams like 2017-2019 GSW and 2020- BN.

Meanwhile 2008-2010 Kobe was the only top 5 player with a legit all-star sidekick!

LeBron, Wade, Dirk, Howard, no all-star teammates.

Since top 5 players win in the NBA, Kobe pretty much had it cut out for him, and it still took choke-jobs for him to come through.
For the eras they played, I'd say they were honestly even. LeBron nor Kobe ever won without at worst, a top 3 team in the league. Although that applies to like 95% of all title winning teams :lol

[kawhileonard2]

Lebron: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Ben Wallace (4x DPOY), Anthony Davis, Kyrie, D.Wade (Finals MVP), Bosh, Mo Williams, Jamison, Derrick Rose (MVP), Carlos Boozer, Big Z, Russell Westbrook (MVP), Carmelo Anthony (scoring champ)

Kobe: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Nash (2x MVP), Artest (4x DPOY), Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman (2x DPOY), Van Exel

[1987_Lakers]

Fisher > Kyrie

[Johnny32]

Lebron: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Ben Wallace (4x DPOY), Anthony Davis, Kyrie, D.Wade (Finals MVP), Bosh, Mo Williams, Jamison, Derrick Rose (MVP), Carlos Boozer, Big Z, Russell Westbrook (MVP), Carmelo Anthony (scoring champ)

Kobe: Shaq (MVP, 3x Finals MVP), Dwight (4x DPOY), Nash (2x MVP), Artest (4x DPOY), Pau Gasol, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, Dennis Rodman (2x DPOY), Van Exel, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Mitch Richmond, etc.

hurrr

[John8204]

Kobe....

Wade - first round exit
Love - no playoffs
Davis - no playoffs
Kyrie - no playoffs
Shaq - first round exit

[Baller789]

hurrr

Is what was posted accurate or not?

[kawhileonard2]

Kobe....

Wade - first round exit
Love - no playoffs
Davis - no playoffs
Kyrie - no playoffs
Shaq - first round exit

Shaq won 3 titles and 3 finals mvp's.
Wade won finals mvp
Kyrie hit the greatest shot in Finals history
Davis led the Lakers in all stats
Love was a top 5 player in th eleague.

[kawhileonard2]

Fisher > Kyrie

Fisher couldn't outplay Steph in a series.

[Lakers Legend#32]

As a lifetime Lakers fan, I say LeBron.

[red1]

RIP kobe


havent said one bad word about this great man since he died and I'm going to show him his deserved respect :applause:

[Full Court]

Lebron has played with more talent than just about anyone else in the history of the game. Certainly in the modern era. Anyone that says otherwise is blind.

[John8204]

Shaq won 3 titles and 3 finals mvp's.
Wade won finals mvp
Kyrie hit the greatest shot in Finals history
Davis led the Lakers in all stats
Love was a top 5 player in th eleague.

Shaq won 3 titles and 3 finals mvp's.- a decade earlier, also only really the MVP on one of those teams
Wade won finals mvp and was washed up two seasons after Lebron left/B]
Kyrie hit the greatest shot in Finals history [B]as opposed to Robert Horry who made several of the greatest shots in NBA history
Davis led the Lakers in all stats for a single season
Love was a top five player in the league who couldn't make the playoffs....also no he wasn't

[r15mohd]

Shaq won 3 titles and 3 finals mvp's.
Wade won finals mvp
Kyrie hit the greatest shot in Finals history
Davis led the Lakers in all stats
Love was a top 5 player in th eleague.


hmm, so say you do this and beat a 70+ win team simultaneously...surely a rare and immaculate achievement by that individual.

[kawhileonard2]

Shaq won 3 titles and 3 finals mvp's.- a decade earlier, also only really the MVP on one of those teams
Wade won finals mvp and was washed up two seasons after Lebron left/B]
Kyrie hit the greatest shot in Finals history [B]as opposed to Robert Horry who made several of the greatest shots in NBA history
Davis led the Lakers in all stats for a single season
Love was a top five player in the league who couldn't make the playoffs....also no he wasn't

Shaq won 3 titles and 3 finals mvp's and had that when he played with Lebron. Also won allstar game mvp the year before.