Lakers should've kept Ingram and traded LeBron

[knicksman]

Brandon Ingram
Just turned 22 years old
26pts, 7rbs, 4asts on 54%2pt/47%3pt per game
Can guard 1-4
5 million

LeBron James
About to be 35 years old
24pts, 8 rbs, 11asts on 47%2pt/31%3pt per game
Can guard no one
36 million

[Manny98]

What is the point :oldlol:

[LAmbruh]

Brick stains on suicide watch :roll: :roll:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=474376

[AirBonner]

Statnerds always talking stats. It

[Bronbron23]

Brandon Ingram
Just turned 22 years old
26pts, 7rbs, 4asts on 54%2pt/47%3pt per game
Can guard 1-4
5 million

LeBron James
About to be 35 years old
24pts, 8 rbs, 11asts on 47%2pt/31%3pt per game
Can guard no one
36 million
Stats, stats, stats,

Ingram isn't close to being on LeBron's level. He's never gonna lead a team to the finals or even a deep playoff run as the man. Maybe as the teams third best player.

[SpaceJam2]

$tats you say??? :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

OP is a statnerd

And a fakkit

[scuzzy]

raging stat nerd post

[AirBonner]

Get his ass

[Vino24]

Op still hasn

[knicksman]

OP is a statnerd

And a fakkit

I'm just making the point that regular season runs don't mean much, and don't mean someone has great carrying ability

the carrying ability is shown in the playoffs, where Lebron only overcame one talent deficit in 07', a smaller deficit than MJ overcame by every measure:[/SIZE]



2007 Cavs:.. #7 SRS.. 50 wins.. 2 seed
2007 tDET:.. #6 SRS.. 53 wins.. 1 seed

1989 Bulls:. #10 SRS.. 47 wins.. 6 seed
1989 Cavs:. n#1 SRS.. 57 wins.. 3 seed.. 3 perennial all-stars*

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper*





Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference in 2018, and the best 2nd and 3rd options (super-teams) from 2011-2017.

So he only made it with a weak cast once (2007), when everyone else was doing it too (09' Dwight, 02/03 Kidd, 01' Iverson).. Maybe you could include 2015, but Kyrie only missed 2 games on that Eastern run.

Ultimately, guys like Dwight, AI, Lebron and Kidd proved that a good cast wasn't needed to win the conference from 2001-2009, yet Lebron failed in 09/10 and stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

It's pretty damn weak





Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan:. CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron:. WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan:. NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG) [/I]
2nd Round Lebron:. NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan:. DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron:. DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)




In 2007, Lebron's 2 seed was swept 4-0 by the champs while he averaged 22/7/6 on 36%

In 1989, Jordan's 6 seed went 6 games with the champs, while he averaged 30/7/6 on 47%


No comparison




19 Giannis > 07' Lebron




Giannis 19'... ECF vs. Champs - 23/14/6. on 44.8 fg.. 23.7% on jumpers
Lebron. 07' Finals vs. Champs -. 22/7/6.. on 35.6 fg.. 17.9% on jumpers


Links for jumpshot stats:

Giannis: https://stats.nba.com/player/203507/...offs&PORound=3

Lebron: https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/sh...offs&PORound=4






09' Mo was far better than 89' Pippen:


09' Mo Will RS:. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 17.1 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
89' Pippen RS:.. 14/6/4.. 52.4 ts.. 102 ORtg.. 14.9 PER.. 0.080 ws/48.. 1.4 bpm.. 2.1 vorp

09' Mo Will ECF:.ni 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:. 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat o #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


Looks like Lebron had the far better cast but lost to a worse team than MJ defeated in 89'.. :confusedshrug:

Mo was also better than 19' Middleton:


MO WILLIAMS.......... 18/3/5.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ortg.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
KHRIS MIDDLETON... 18/5/3.. 55.5 ts.. 106 ortg.. 16.3 PER.. 0.122 ws.. 0.7 bpm.. 1.6 vorp




Lebron had the.. #1 SRS team in 2009, but lost to the #4 SRS team

Jordan had the #10 SRS team in 1989, but beat the #1 SRS team..

Heck, MJ pulled a bigger upset than Dwight... :oldlol:


^^^^^ That's not significant??...

The reality is that pre-2011 Lebron had 4 teammates that were superior to 89' Pippen:



- all-star Mo
- 2-time all-star Jamison
- steals leader and 22/5/5 first-team defender - 05' Hughes
- 2-time all-star Zydrunas


Yet MJ won 6 rings and Lebron lost to Dwight in 09', faked an elbow injury during a 2010 meltdown, and then started team-hopping in 11'.

Heck, Lebron had the reigning East all-star center in 06' and 22/5/5 all-defender Hughes - one must assume that MJ would've beaten 89' Detroit with these guys rather than 89' Pip

Ultimately, there's this perception that pre-2011 Lebron was carrying lottery casts to high seeds and the Finals, while MJ was losing with Pip... But in reality, MJ's 85-89' casts are worse than anything Lebron ever had... That's why MJ had to carry his team to a close series with the 89' champs, while Lebron shoots 35% but still takes the champs 7 in 08'
.

[Vino24]

Another 3ball alt

[elementally morale]

Another 3ball account? Just what we needed. :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

I'm just making the point that regular season runs don't mean much, and don't mean someone has great carrying ability

the carrying ability is shown in the playoffs, where Lebron only overcame one talent deficit in 07', a smaller deficit than MJ overcame by every measure:[/SIZE]



2007 Cavs:.. #7 SRS.. 50 wins.. 2 seed
2007 tDET:.. #6 SRS.. 53 wins.. 1 seed

1989 Bulls:. #10 SRS.. 47 wins.. 6 seed
1989 Cavs:. n#1 SRS.. 57 wins.. 3 seed.. 3 perennial all-stars*

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper*





Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference in 2018, and the best 2nd and 3rd options (super-teams) from 2011-2017.

So he only made it with a weak cast once (2007), when everyone else was doing it too (09' Dwight, 02/03 Kidd, 01' Iverson).. Maybe you could include 2015, but Kyrie only missed 2 games on that Eastern run.

Ultimately, guys like Dwight, AI, Lebron and Kidd proved that a good cast wasn't needed to win the conference from 2001-2009, yet Lebron failed in 09/10 and stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

It's pretty damn weak





Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan:. CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron:. WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan:. NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG) [/I]
2nd Round Lebron:. NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan:. DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron:. DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)




In 2007, Lebron's 2 seed was swept 4-0 by the champs while he averaged 22/7/6 on 36%

In 1989, Jordan's 6 seed went 6 games with the champs, while he averaged 30/7/6 on 47%


No comparison




19 Giannis > 07' Lebron




Giannis 19'... ECF vs. Champs - 23/14/6. on 44.8 fg.. 23.7% on jumpers
Lebron. 07' Finals vs. Champs -. 22/7/6.. on 35.6 fg.. 17.9% on jumpers


Links for jumpshot stats:

Giannis: https://stats.nba.com/player/203507/...offs&PORound=3

Lebron: https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/sh...offs&PORound=4






09' Mo was far better than 89' Pippen:


09' Mo Will RS:. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 17.1 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
89' Pippen RS:.. 14/6/4.. 52.4 ts.. 102 ORtg.. 14.9 PER.. 0.080 ws/48.. 1.4 bpm.. 2.1 vorp

09' Mo Will ECF:.ni 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:. 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat o #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


Looks like Lebron had the far better cast but lost to a worse team than MJ defeated in 89'.. :confusedshrug:

Mo was also better than 19' Middleton:


MO WILLIAMS.......... 18/3/5.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ortg.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
KHRIS MIDDLETON... 18/5/3.. 55.5 ts.. 106 ortg.. 16.3 PER.. 0.122 ws.. 0.7 bpm.. 1.6 vorp




Lebron had the.. #1 SRS team in 2009, but lost to the #4 SRS team

Jordan had the #10 SRS team in 1989, but beat the #1 SRS team..

Heck, MJ pulled a bigger upset than Dwight... :oldlol:


^^^^^ That's not significant??...

The reality is that pre-2011 Lebron had 4 teammates that were superior to 89' Pippen:



- all-star Mo
- 2-time all-star Jamison
- steals leader and 22/5/5 first-team defender - 05' Hughes
- 2-time all-star Zydrunas


Yet MJ won 6 rings and Lebron lost to Dwight in 09', faked an elbow injury during a 2010 meltdown, and then started team-hopping in 11'.

Heck, Lebron had the reigning East all-star center in 06' and 22/5/5 all-defender Hughes - one must assume that MJ would've beaten 89' Detroit with these guys rather than 89' Pip

Ultimately, there's this perception that pre-2011 Lebron was carrying lottery casts to high seeds and the Finals, while MJ was losing with Pip... But in reality, MJ's 85-89' casts are worse than anything Lebron ever had... That's why MJ had to carry his team to a close series with the 89' champs, while Lebron shoots 35% but still takes the champs 7 in 08'
.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

I'm just making the point that regular season runs don't mean much, and don't mean someone has great carrying ability

the carrying ability is shown in the playoffs, where Lebron only overcame one talent deficit in 07', a smaller deficit than MJ overcame by every measure:[/SIZE]



2007 Cavs:.. #7 SRS.. 50 wins.. 2 seed
2007 tDET:.. #6 SRS.. 53 wins.. 1 seed

1989 Bulls:. #10 SRS.. 47 wins.. 6 seed
1989 Cavs:. n#1 SRS.. 57 wins.. 3 seed.. 3 perennial all-stars*

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper*





Lebron had the best 2nd option in the conference in 2018, and the best 2nd and 3rd options (super-teams) from 2011-2017.

So he only made it with a weak cast once (2007), when everyone else was doing it too (09' Dwight, 02/03 Kidd, 01' Iverson).. Maybe you could include 2015, but Kyrie only missed 2 games on that Eastern run.

Ultimately, guys like Dwight, AI, Lebron and Kidd proved that a good cast wasn't needed to win the conference from 2001-2009, yet Lebron failed in 09/10 and stacked the deck from 11-18' to ensure Finals runs

It's pretty damn weak





Bigger Overachievement: Jordan's 1989 Playoff Run vs. Lebron's 2007


Jordan's Bulls were 47-25 and the 6 seed.
Lebron's Cavs were 50-32 and the 2 seed.


1st Round Jordan:. CLE...(#3 seed, 57-25, #2 ranked defense... 40.0.. 6.0.. 8.1.. 51.8% FG)
1st Round Lebron:. WSH (#7 seed, 41-41, #28 ranked defense.. 27.0.. 8.5.. 7.5.. 42.5% FG)

2nd Round Jordan:. NYK (#2 seed, 52-30, #10 ranked defense... 35.5.. 9.5.. 8.3.. 55.0% FG) [/I]
2nd Round Lebron:. NJN (#6 seed, 41-41, #15 ranked defense... 24.7.. 7.3.. 8.5.. 42.3% FG)

Conf. Finals Jordan:. DET (#1 seed, 62-30, #3 ranked defense... 30.0.. 5.5.. 6.5.. 46.0% FG)
Conf. Finals Lebron:. DET (#1 seed, 53-29, #7 ranked defense... 25.7.. 9.1.. 8.5.. 44.9% FG)




In 2007, Lebron's 2 seed was swept 4-0 by the champs while he averaged 22/7/6 on 36%

In 1989, Jordan's 6 seed went 6 games with the champs, while he averaged 30/7/6 on 47%


No comparison




19 Giannis > 07' Lebron




Giannis 19'... ECF vs. Champs - 23/14/6. on 44.8 fg.. 23.7% on jumpers
Lebron. 07' Finals vs. Champs -. 22/7/6.. on 35.6 fg.. 17.9% on jumpers


Links for jumpshot stats:

Giannis: https://stats.nba.com/player/203507/...offs&PORound=3

Lebron: https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/sh...offs&PORound=4






09' Mo was far better than 89' Pippen:


09' Mo Will RS:. 18/3/4.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ORtg.. 17.1 PER.. 0.165 ws/48.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
89' Pippen RS:.. 14/6/4.. 52.4 ts.. 102 ORtg.. 14.9 PER.. 0.080 ws/48.. 1.4 bpm.. 2.1 vorp

09' Mo Will ECF:.ni 18/3/4.. 50.5 ts.. 102 ORtg.. lost to #4 SRS (2 all-stars)
89' Pippen 1st Rd:. 15/9/4.. 51.0 ts.. 102 ORtg.. beat o #1 SRS (3 all-stars*)

* plus 20/5/5 Ron Harper


Looks like Lebron had the far better cast but lost to a worse team than MJ defeated in 89'.. :confusedshrug:

Mo was also better than 19' Middleton:


MO WILLIAMS.......... 18/3/5.. 58.8 ts.. 115 ortg.. 17.2 PER.. 0.165 ws.. 2.3 bpm.. 3.1 vorp
KHRIS MIDDLETON... 18/5/3.. 55.5 ts.. 106 ortg.. 16.3 PER.. 0.122 ws.. 0.7 bpm.. 1.6 vorp




Lebron had the.. #1 SRS team in 2009, but lost to the #4 SRS team

Jordan had the #10 SRS team in 1989, but beat the #1 SRS team..

Heck, MJ pulled a bigger upset than Dwight... :oldlol:


^^^^^ That's not significant??...

The reality is that pre-2011 Lebron had 4 teammates that were superior to 89' Pippen:



- all-star Mo
- 2-time all-star Jamison
- steals leader and 22/5/5 first-team defender - 05' Hughes
- 2-time all-star Zydrunas


Yet MJ won 6 rings and Lebron lost to Dwight in 09', faked an elbow injury during a 2010 meltdown, and then started team-hopping in 11'.

Heck, Lebron had the reigning East all-star center in 06' and 22/5/5 all-defender Hughes - one must assume that MJ would've beaten 89' Detroit with these guys rather than 89' Pip

Ultimately, there's this perception that pre-2011 Lebron was carrying lottery casts to high seeds and the Finals, while MJ was losing with Pip... But in reality, MJ's 85-89' casts are worse than anything Lebron ever had... That's why MJ had to carry his team to a close series with the 89' champs, while Lebron shoots 35% but still takes the champs 7 in 08'
.

Another 3balt

[k0kakw0rld]

That's what they want. ATTENTION!!!

Stop giving it to them. ****IN MORONS