Harden averaging 39/6/8 - Rockets 9-3

[StrongLurk]

Clearly the best player in the world since last year and SHOULD have been MVP last year.

Giannis won simply because he was new and it's harder to win a 2nd MVP than it is your 1st.

[Gileraracer]

15 free throws a game, most generated with flopping, isn't something to be proud of. No one should win an MVP or anything else that way.

[Trollsmasher]

3rd easiest schedule

They will sink like a rock soon

[Vino24]

15 free throws a game, most generated with flopping, isn't something to be proud of. No one should win an MVP or anything else that way.
Nearly 7k posts of nothing but bitching :oldlol:

[superduper]

It's so funny watching Harden haters scramble :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

It

[superduper]

All hate and nonsense aside it's truly incredible how unguardable he is. People will hate but 80% of the fouls against him are legit. Then he can hit like any 3 he wants and at the same time drive at will and hit any floater he wants.

But if he wants to win in the playoffs he has to make the right passes at the right moments and get his team involved. That's what it comes down to. That's what Kawhi did last playoffs. He took over when he needed it and he moved the ball around at the right times as well.

[tpols]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]It

[AirBonner]

uh... not until he does it in the playoffs.

every year he shits the bed when it counts.
He averaged 30ppg last year. Let

[Trollsmasher]

[QUOTE=AirBonner]He averaged 30ppg last year. Let

[tpols]

He averaged 30ppg last year. Let’s pump the brakes a bit. He’s not quite Wilt-Tier of empty stats


His efficiency decreases dramatically in the playoffs from the regular season. im no fan of stats but this is patently true. And eye test is even worse... he buries his team when it matters because the refs dont blow the whistle on the mma moves he tries to pull for FTs and then the opponent is running with all the momentum the other way.

[Smook A.]

Over the last 6 games Harden is averaging 42 pts/8 asts/7 rebs/2.6 spg on 46% shooting and 41% from 3

Rockets are 6-0 in that span

[warriorfan]

His efficiency decreases dramatically in the playoffs from the regular season. im no fan of stats but this is patently true. And eye test is even worse... he buries his team when it matters because the refs dont blow the whistle on the mma moves he tries to pull for FTs and then the opponent is running with all the momentum the other way.

Last season

[Bronbron23]

Clearly the best player in the world since last year and SHOULD have been MVP last year.

Giannis won simply because he was new and it's harder to win a 2nd MVP than it is your 1st.
Best player in the world in the regular season. You guys gotta start being more Specific with these best player in the world comments. I agree what he's doing is amazing and fun to watch when hes not going to the foul line all the time. Just have to see this in the post season. Every year he goes from the best player in the regular season to not even a top 5 in the post season

[Manny98]

I'm becoming a huge fan of King Edward James recently but he's still not ahead of LeBron or Giannis imo

[Manny98]

Best player in the world in the regular season. You guys gotta start being more Specific with these best player in the world comments. I agree what he's doing is amazing and fun to watch when hes not going to the foul line all the time. Just have to see this in the post season. Every year he goes from the best player in the regular season to not even a top 5 in the post season
He was great in the playoffs this year, averaged 35ppg off elite efficiency against the Warriors and the year before took them to a gruelling 7 games whilst everyone else got swept

Harden hasn't underperformed in the playoffs since that series against the Spurs but outside of that he hasn't dropped off as much as you people make out

[Gileraracer]

Nearly 7k posts of nothing but bitching :oldlol:

so i guess you really enjoy flopping since you have a Lebron avi as well?

[Bronbron23]

He was great in the playoffs this year, averaged 35ppg off elite efficiency against the Warriors and the year before took them to a gruelling 7 games whilst everyone else got swept

Harden hasn't underperformed in the playoffs since that series against the Spurs but outside of that he hasn't dropped off as much as you people make out
I'll give you last year. He dropped off some but not as much as he usually does. He was still barely a top 5 last year. Kawhi, Greek, kd, Steph were all better. Steph is debatable but I'd go with him just because of his elite off ball movement which allows for better team ball movement. If LeBron wasn't hurt he would of been in the playoffs and harden would of been 6th.

Anyway I'm not saying he sucks. He's obviously very good. These best offensive player ever or even right now claims gotta stop though. Bron or kawhi are still the best players offensively come Playoffs. I dought that will change this season.

[PickernRoller]

Best in the league.

[Gileraracer]

Fun fact: in the last 30 years there has only been 1 season with > 12 FTA per game and that was Shaq in 2001, as a result of hack a shaq.

Harden is currently averaging 15.2 FTA / Game :eek:

[Artillery]

uh... not until he does it in the playoffs.

every year he shits the bed when it counts.

:oldlol: outplayed by Jonathan Simmons in an elimination game

Harden is a great regular season player but that's about it. With the Durant Warriors out of the picture, he has no excuse if he fails to make the Finals this year.

[LoneyROY7]

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Too quick, too smooth, too good.

ISO King.

[r0drig0lac]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]It

[stalkerforlife]

Fun fact: in the last 30 years there has only been 1 season with > 12 FTA per game and that was Shaq in 2001, as a result of hack a shaq.

Harden is currently averaging 15.2 FTA / Game :eek:

:biggums:

[Kblaze8855]

People still act like the guy scoring huge totals is supposed to win mvp as if 9 of the 10 highest scoring averages didn’t win mvp....

And the one that did was rookie Wilt when that scoring was unheard of.

That year aside? Kobe, Jordan, Wilt, Baylor, Barry and Harden? The whole 35+ a game club? None of them won mvp when they did it.

There’s always a Giannis also doing insane numbers and on a better team.

Jordan was right at 35 when he won his first mvp so count him if you want....but he didn’t win in his actual 35+ a game season.

People aren’t as blown away by it as you might assume voting time.

[LoneyROY7]

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Imagine thinking this isn't poetry in basketball motion. :eek:

[PickernRoller]

Fun fact: in the last 30 years there has only been 1 season with > 12 FTA per game and that was Shaq in 2001, as a result of hack a shaq.

Harden is currently averaging 15.2 FTA / Game :eek:

Best league we've had since Russell's. :bowdown:

[STATUTORY]

^^ got any gifs that's not a layup or a 3? :rolleyes:

no doubt what he does is effective given today’s rules, just not a fan of his game :confusedshrug:

[Marchesk]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]People aren

[StrongLurk]

Just to clarify, I am not a fan of Harden in any fashion.

But his production is crazy.

The thing is...even if you took away HALF of his free throw attempts from last year and this year...he is still averaging over 30ppg...

[Vino24]

Better offensive player than MJ :applause:

[RRR3]

Just to clarify, I am not a fan of Harden in any fashion.

But his production is crazy.

The thing is...even if you took away HALF of his free throw attempts from last year and this year...he is still averaging over 30ppg...
If you take away half of his free throw attempts this year he

[Manny98]

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Imagine thinking this isn't poetry in basketball motion. :eek:
No screens needed, just cooking his matchup 1v1 :bowdown:

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[tanibanana]

Over the last 6 games Harden is averaging 42 pts/8 asts/7 rebs/2.6 spg on 46% shooting and 41% from 3

Rockets are 6-0 in that span

:applause:

[Meticode]

They have one of the easiest strength of schedules in the NBA so far. I know you can only play who is front of you though.

[StrongLurk]

If you take away half of his free throw attempts this year he’d still be averaging ~7.5 FTs per game :oldlol:

Show me the players averaging over 30ppg since last year while only taking 7.5 free throws per game.

I mean, Harden is hard as *** to stop since he is so good at spamming the highest value shots at an efficient enough level. You can't stop him from isoing and either pulling up from 3 or using his size/speed/handle to get around the primary defender.

I think like 85% of his threes made last year were unassisted...which is nuts.

[RRR3]

Show me the players averaging over 30ppg since last year while only taking 7.5 free throws per game.

I mean, Harden is hard as *** to stop since he is so good at spamming the highest value shots at an efficient enough level. You can't stop him from isoing and either pulling up from 3 and using his size/speed/handle to get around the primary defender.

I think like 85% of his threes made last year were unassisted...which is nuts.
15.2 FTs a game. That’s more than Shaq ever averaged (his highest was 13.1). Even Wilt only averaged more than that ONCE and that’s when he averaged 50.4 PPG (and Wilt got intentionally fouled)

[StrongLurk]

15.2 FTs a game. That’s more than Shaq ever averaged (his highest was 13.1). Even Wilt only averaged more than that ONCE and that’s when he averaged 50.4 PPG (and Wilt got intentionally fouled)


Harden last year averaged 36ppg while taking 11 FTs per game.

I agree 15 FTs per game this year is ridiculous but they will come back down to around 11 like last year.

[RRR3]

Harden last year averaged 36ppg while taking 11 FTs per game.

I agree 15 FTs per game this year is ridiculous but they will come back down to around 11 like last year.
People are scared to touch Harden and he still gets the most FTs in the league every year. People weren’t afraid to foul Shaq at all...they were afraid not to.

And it better come down.

[AussieSteve]

Rockets games average a combined score of 232.9 points. Third highest in league. Pace is also 3rd highest.

Lakers games average a combined 13 less possessions and 23 less points.

So, while his numbers are amazing, and kudos, because the Rockets are winning, the numbers are inflated by game style, pace and a lack of defensive focus.

[knicksman]

OP trying to prop up harden coz Kawhi just embarrased how overrated these triple double players are. 5 MVPs for those 2 but couldnt win 1 legit ring. Meanwhile a guy who has no MVPs already had 2. Talk about overrated. Thats why eye test > stats and always will be and so are kobe stans.

[StrongLurk]

Harden 49/5/6, +16 and another win.

Rockets 10-3, Harden is averaging 40ppg.

Just absurd.

[RRR3]

Harden 49/5/6, +16 and another win.

Rockets 10-3, Harden is averaging 40ppg.

Just absurd.
41 shots.

[StrongLurk]

41 shots.

Yeah I saw.

Rockets are 10-3.

No Westbrook or Capela tonight yet Harden carried, was +16, basically dropped 50 and got the W.

Honestly what do you want?

I'm not a Harden fan but he is CLEARLY on a HISTORIC streak since last year.

Sometimes I WISH guys like Lebron and KD would just let loose and chuck some in the regular season.

[warriorfan]

41 shots.

He won

[coin24]

41 shots.


What a surprise tunnel vision soytits can't factor in half the team is out, Hardon is carrying the load himself and somehow still winning:lol

He's a playoff loser but reg season beast, impressive what he's doing right now..

[bobopenguin]

What a surprise tunnel vision soytits can't factor in half the team is out, Hardon is carrying the load himself and somehow still winning:lol

He's a playoff loser but reg season beast, impressive what he's doing right now..

i dont think jacking 41 shots with 22 3pa is so called "carrying his team".

[LoneyROY7]

i dont think jacking 41 shots with 22 3pa is so called "carrying his team".

No Westbrook, Capela, Gordon, or House. 4 of top 6 players. Wins by 20 on the road.

Good try, good effort.

[ElPigto]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]People still act like the guy scoring huge totals is supposed to win mvp as if 9 of the 10 highest scoring averages didn

[Marchesk]

I dont think jacking 41 shots with 22 3pa is so called "carrying his team".

No, but winning the game is.

[Kblaze8855]

Look, what a surprise, old man Kblaze coming in to shit on the party.

If that

[oh the horror]

SO we’re really having this discussion about Harden again huh?



He still throws up almost 25-30 shots a night when everyone is on deck. If it isn’t apparent the dude is playing purposely for personal accolades then I don’t know what else to say.


He’s found a way to cheat code his way to massive offensive numbers that seldom have translated into any winning in the post season. Sorry folks. I don’t give a shit.

[Marchesk]

He’s found a way to cheat code his way to massive offensive numbers that seldom have translated into any winning in the post season. Sorry folks. I don’t give a shit.

You may not, but the MVP is a regular season award, and the Rockets are 10-3.

Did Tracy McGrady or Dominique Wilkins get shit on like this?

[Kblaze8855]

Yes.

More than Harden does in fact.

Nique was voted the most overrated player in the nba twice I believe.

If the internet was what it is now some idiots would be on here finding

[ImKobe]

Two WCF with losses to the Warriors but has "seldom translated into any winning", Harden wins it all in 2017 if Chris Paul doesn't go down. Everything the Rockets do is by design anyway, they'll let Harden chuck it away from 3 in a random RS game because it usually translates into a win. No Eric Gordon, Capela or Russell Westbrook vs the Wolves on the road and it's a blowout win, I'm not surprised at the shot attempts.

[Trollsmasher]

now I hate watching Haren as much as anyone but jacking up so many shots for two years running points ot very impressive stamina

[Marchesk]

Imagine ISH watching Wilt do 50/27 for the season and lose....

It would be a bloodbath. Wilt would get even more hate than Lebron for that 62 season. It wouldn't be deserved, though. He was doing what his coach and owner thought was best for the team.



Nique was voted the most overrated player in the nba twice I believe.

Huh, I wasn't aware of that. Is there still an a overrated player vote?

I agree with some of the criticisms of Harden's style of play and playoff performances, but it goes way too far. Same with Westbrook.

[DoctorP]

Clearly, this Harden shit is wild.

[sbw19]

5 games into the season I was thinking (given he was averaging almost 15fta and 15 3pa/g plus his horrid shooting slump at the time) he might actually crack the 40ppg average if he continues to appoach those figures throughout the season, but didn't think it sustainable.

Fast forward. Almost 15 games now. 14.8 fta and 14.6 3pa per game. 39.5ppg scoring average. I don't know what to think anymore. This real life pro bball?

Breaking Kobe's 81 and having 2nd highest NBA scoring average known to man might just become sidenotes at this rate.

[Cosmonaut]

I've never understood the hate about Hardens playoff performance.

Since he joined the rockets 6 teams have made the western conference finals, with the Rockets being one of those teams ( 2 times in 7 seasons)

Only two teams have won the Western conference finals in Hardens 7 seasons since joining the Rockets. San Antonio (2 times) and Golden state(5 times)

Only 4 teams have made the Western conference finals at least two times, Warriors, Spurs, Rockets and the Thunder(with KD).

You can downplay making a Western conference as much as you like, but my examples have just shown, its not easy to make it that far let alone winning it against generational teams.

[StrongLurk]

Harden is scoring 39.5ppg on 60.9 TS%.

He is legit game breaking since last year (similar to 2016 Curry).